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blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 106
Today's Topics:
[B7L] First impressions: "Duel"
[B7L] Newbie Speaks!
Re: [B7L] Newbie Speaks!
Re: [B7L] BBC announcements
Re: [B7L] The Beeb say it so it must be true...
Re: [B7L] Re: UnAmerican Activities
[B7L] Daily Star
[B7L] Jenna's Birthday
[B7L] Seven
[B7L] age of actors [was BBC announcements]
Re: [B7L] deportation (was Avon's Skills)
Re: [B7L] Re: Motivations Justifications and Science.
Re: [B7L] Equus
Re: [B7L] Equus
[B7L] Search for Blake and not Jenna
[B7L] The Greeks
[B7L] Possessions
Re: [B7L] First impressions: "Duel"
Re: [B7L] Re: UnAmerican Activities
Re: [B7L] The Greeks
Re: [B7L] The Greeks
[B7L] UnAmerican Activities
Re: [B7L] Daily Star
[B7L] Movie News in The Age
[B7L] Motivations Justifications and Science.
Re: [B7L] First impressions: "Duel"
[B7L] Re: Motivations Justifications and Science.
[B7L] web page
[B7L] bye for now
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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 17:19:06 +0000
From: Murray Smith <mjsmith@tcd.ie>
To: Lysator <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] First impressions: "Duel"
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Ariana,
I agree that the episode is boring; but I do find funny the fact that the
aliens are so stupid. First, they try and teach a lesson to Blake, who
doesn't need one, and to Travis, who doesn't care, taking it as an
opportunity to kill Blake. Second, as pointed out by Blake, how can they
demonstrate the death of a friend to Travis, who doesn't have any aboard
the pursuit ships?
>On the whole, "Duel" is about even with "The Rules of Luton". And
>considering the latter episode features super-beings who were actually still
>photographs of various conifers, that's a measure of how dreary "Duel" is.
>The episode is slow-moving, with -- paradoxically -- way too many special
>effects. FX fellow had evidently just got himself a new video editor and was
>trying out all the solarisation effects. Way too much of people clutching
>their heads in psychedelic colour and cringingly awful slow motion.
There is a connection between 'Duel' and 'The Rules of Luton'. In the
latter episode, three aliens are forced to fight the human heros, one of
the three being played by David Jackson, who plays Gan in B7.<g>
>The studio set for the alien planet was suitably creepy, IMHO. It was also
>pretty cold, judging by Isla Blair's costume.
I liked the planet very much, and the graves being explained by the fact
that all the people wiped each other out was a suitably bleak background to
the duel.
>VILA: Have you thought of another plan?
>AVON: Yes. I'm going to get some sleep.
>VILA: How can you sleep with all this happening?
>AVON: With all what happening? Blake is sitting up in a tree,
> Travis is sitting up in another tree. Unless they're
> planning to throw nuts at one another, I don't see much
> of a fight developing before it gets light.
>
>[[This is the bit that had us roaring with laughter. We thought it was an
>apt summary of the plot so far.]]
I also loved that piece of dialogue.
Alison:
The Space:1999 episode 'The Rules of Luton' _is_ extremely funny because it
is such a turkey of an episode. It was written by an American who saw
'Luton' on a road sign and thought that it would be a good name to use for
a planet, unaware of the laughter it would cause among many fans. Also,
'Luton' is pronounced 'Loo-ton' in the episode by the conifers Ariana
mentions.<bg>
Murray
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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 12:30:03 EDT
From: "Trey Lane" <slumberlord@hotmail.com>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Newbie Speaks!
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Hello All. I am a newbie to the show and the list. I'm one of those
Americans who hates America, and I was raised on Doctor Who. I recently got
the first 10 B7 stories on video and am currently finishing up
SEEK-LOCATE-DESTROY. I'm going to wait until I finish the epis I have before
commenting on them, but I will say I have so far been impressed.
On another note, I don't know if the B7 movie is new info to all of you, but
the BBC nEws page has a story up about it currently:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/entertainment/newsid_705000/705922.stm
make sure you fit in that "m" there... ;)
tL
Quantumvis cursum longum fessumque moratur Sol,
sacro tandem carmine vesper adest.
No matter how long the sun may linger on its long and weary journey,
at length, evening comes with its sacred song.
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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 17:15:31 GMT
From: "Mat Shayde" <dorian17@hotmail.com>
To: slumberlord@hotmail.com, Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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>From: "Trey Lane" <slumberlord@hotmail.com>
>To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
>Subject: [B7L] Newbie Speaks!
>Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 12:30:03 EDT
>
>Hello All. I am a newbie to the show and the list. I'm one of those
>Americans who hates America, and I was raised on Doctor Who. I recently got
>the first 10 B7 stories on video and am currently finishing up
>SEEK-LOCATE-DESTROY. I'm going to wait until I finish the epis I have
>before
>commenting on them, but I will say I have so far been impressed.
Welcome Trey, I hope you continue to enjoy the show and the Lyst.
Dorian - "You mean you're here by choice?"
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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 14:11:03 EDT
From: Prmolloy@aol.com
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Just to let you know, Paul was born 2 May 1941. That's make him 59, if it
matters.
Pat,
I'm normally not so horrible with math. I jumbled Paul in with another of my
favorite actors who was born in 1940. Apparently I was born twenty plus
years too late.
Sigh.
BTW, the other actor is Sam Waterston, different genre entirely. I think it
must be the voice and the eyes that draws me. A man with a great voice might
look like one of Neil's penguins and I'd still go all weak in the knees.
Great voice and great eyes = pretty strong case of lust
Of course Paul and Sam are at the opposite end of the spectrum from the
penguins: the thinking woman's sexy actors = totally uncontrolled lust.
Now I've lost my train of thought entirely...
Trish
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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 20:06:44 +0100
From: "David A McIntee" <Master@allisurvey.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] The Beeb say it so it must be true...
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Hm.
The link worked this time, but not yesterday... Wonder why
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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 19:29:03 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: UnAmerican Activities
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Trish wrote
> If you can do that in Italian, I might even revise my thinking on
socialism
> so we can start planning the wedding.
I'm afraid my linguistic preferences lie elsewhere
Neil
"Ich bin kein Mann. Ich bin eine freie Nummer."
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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 19:47:23 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Daily Star
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The news of the proposed B7 movie seems to have filtered down to the Daily
Star. I salvaged the relevent page (from Friday 7th Apr edition) from the
works canteen because some its little gems of misinformation seemed worthy
of a wider audience.
"Cult sci-fi series Blake's 7 is taking off for a brand new series ... and
it promises to be just as low-tech as before!
The original BBC1 show won hordes of fans who were fascinated by its cheap
low-budget sets and goofy gadgets.
Now TV chiefs are reviving the 1970s series, which amazingly raked in four
million viewers at its peak.
Bosses are lining up original cast member Paul Darrow, who played Avon, to
take the starring role of Blake.
Producers made 52 50-minute episodes over four series featuring rebel leader
Blake and his bandits fighting the Federation from their spaceship The
Liberator, which was operated by its mechanical brains Zen and Orac.
Blake - played by Gareth Thomas - led his fighers on a guerrilla campaign
against the Federation and its Supreme Commander Servalan, played by
Jacqueline Pearce.
The idea for a new series was dreamed up after repeats of the original
series on BBC2 and UK Gold proved a cult hit.
Shakespearean actor Darrow is is [sic] believed to be leading a new cast for
the new series with the help of Kate Nation, widow of the show's producer
Terry Nation, who created Dr Who.
BBC Worldwide producer Andrew Mark Sewell said negotiations with
broadcasters are under way and that an announcement is expected in four
weeks.
He added: 'The project is alive and well, but we are not prepared to go into
too many details at the moment.'"
So ... now you know!
Neil
"I am not a man, I am a free number."
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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 16:15:12 -0400
From: "Dana Shilling" <dshilling@worldnet.att.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Jenna's Birthday
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Dayna's conflation of the "human bonding" and "human bombing" rituals in
Ultraworld may perhaps give us some leads as to Jenna's background. Very
possibly Jenna's vocation stems from the fact that, like Frederick in "The
Pirates of Penzance," she was supposed to be apprenticed to a pilot but
ended up with a pirate. Also like Frederick, her birthday may be February
29. I can easily imagine Jenna feeling a birthday coming on every time she
walks past a jewelry store in the company of an admirer, but also being
murderously coy about the actual number of the birthday involved.
However, I don't think we'll ever know very much about her--as Freud points
out, the index of civilization is covering up the Jenna tales.
-(Y)
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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 19:55:11 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
cc: Freedom City <freedom-city@blakes-7.org>
Subject: [B7L] Seven
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Blake's 7 movie news
Breaking news from the Together Again audio tape series. Together Again volume
Seven, to be released at the end of April, brings you the latest developments on
the Blake's 7 movie from Paul Darrow himself.
To order your copy in advance, send £8.25 payable to Sheelagh Wells, 20a New Rd,
Brentford, Middlesex, TW8 0NX, UK
Copies will be available after the release via my web site, but pre-orders
should go to Sheelagh Wells.
The tape is being recorded this weekend and will feature Paul Darrow, Gareth
Thomas and two other members of the Blake's 7 cast/crew.
It will be very interesting to see what Paul Darrow has to say on the tape.
There's been a lot of speculation and a fair bit of it has been inaccurate.
Paul has been involved with the project from the start, so the tape is your
chance to get information from an accurate source.
Judith
PS. news courtesy of Sheelagh Wells.
--
http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs,
pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth
Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.nas.com/~lknight )
Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/
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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 17:07:43 EDT
From: JEB31538@cs.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] age of actors [was BBC announcements]
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In a message dated 4/10/00 3:58:52 PM !!!First Boot!!!,
blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se writes:
> Doubt it was anything to do with vanity on Paul Darrow's part - he's
> stated his birth year as 1941 for a very long time. More likely
> someone's confusing him with Gareth (who is a very cuddly 56).
> --
> Julia Jones
I have no clue how old Darrow is, but Thomas is 55, being born on Feb. 12
or 13, 1945.
Gareth's age has been mentioned several times in articles (sometimes
wrongly) and he's mentioned it, too, at conventions. In 1995 at Visions he
made a point of saying he was 50 in the taped interview that used to be sold
by Visions.
Joyce Bowen
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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 10:09:12 +0100
From: "Andrew Ellis" <Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] deportation (was Avon's Skills)
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From: Julia Jones
>You carefully snipped the bit where I pointed out that once they have
>the technology to use mass drugging even on worlds where they don't
>control the food/water/air supply - it is used, even though it reduces
>productivity.
Actually, I don't consider the Federation of series 3 and 4, having
undergone two Coup's to be the same as the series 1 and 2 Federation. So
whilst you quite correctly point out that the people who took over from
Servalan were capable of doing those things, we don't know whether or not
those people had sufficient influence during series 1.
Gnog
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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 10:09:34 +0100
From: "Andrew Ellis" <Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com>
To: <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Motivations Justifications and Science.
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From: Kai V Karmanheimo
>An excellent post, Gnog. I'd still like to elaborate on this a bit.
One thing that strikes me is that a lot of stuff is written when people
disagree strongly, but very little is said when people agree (strongly). For
example, if you add up all of the times each episode is mentioned on the
list, I would put money on Animals being near the top.
>
>Gnog wrote:
>
><Personally I prefer to read between the lines and invent things that may
>never have occurred to the actors / writers / producers, but never - the -
>less actually manage to "explain" those niggling little things that pop up
>from time to time.>
>
>I think we all prefer to do this. ..... Within every
>narrative there are "holes", omissions, unresolved threads (however
>minute) which the audience fill in their minds, thus completing the actual
>(and unique) story.
and the beauty is that everybody fills in those gaps differently. Indeed
people even interpret different things as gaps.
>The mysterious sneer
>on a character's face may only be the result of the actor trying hard not
>to break wind, but it is duly logged,
Just as your comment is now firmly entrenched in my mind, and will I am sure
give new meaning to an episode in the near future !
> Still,
>I'm also interested in how things work without the actual story universe
>as well as within it,
Yes, I agree. These are very interesting topics. Just as some people analyse
the happenings on the screen more than others, some people are interested in
the behind the scenes events. And not just the big ones like....
>.... (..the
>post-Star One Jenna issue seems to me) and ....(how you create a
>sense of character continuity without him being there with as few
>resources as possible.........
but also how they put an episode together, including location work, special
effects etc. Similarly the opinions of what the authors and actors now think
(and thought at the time) are also of great interest.
>But as I said, it's not as interesting as searching
>for a reason within the story universe, and as Gnog said, it can easily
>become a one-key-fits-all-locks solution.
Such keys also include Squirbbles Law.
>With Blake's 7 I am
>willing to do a lot of suspension of disbelief. But rather than having
>some specific point at which I move from one approach to another, I tend
>to see them as complementary. Just because I'm pretty sure the writer
>didn't know what he was doing and didn't care enough to make an effort, it
>doesn't mean that I'm not willing to play his game and try to make
>something out of his mess.
I think everybody on this list must have suspended disbelief quite
successfully when the first encountered the show, otherwise their interest
probably wouldn't sustain them sufficiently. Some people's enjoyment may
increase as they start to fill in plot holes (continuing to suspend
disbelief). Other peoples enjoyment may increase when they realise why (in a
behind the scenes way) something happened, or how something was achieved.
There is one thing I don't agree with Kai on though. I prefer to give the
benefit of doubt, and think that the writer made the best job he could with
scarce resource and little time, rather than simply not caring enough.
And something that is certainly not anything to do with the B7 universe is
the pleasurable increase in my theatre attendance in the past few years. Not
only am I getting to see the actors again, but the shows are excellent in
there own right.
Just at the moment, my preference is to interpret the on screen action, and
to see new productions. But I respect that other people get pleasure from
different things, and fully expect to go there at some point in the future.
>P.S. Have to ask this: did Gnog happen all of a sudden or did you deny
>your essential Gnogness for years? <smile>
>
Oh, I think that Gnog has been in my subconscious for years, just waiting
for an excuse to come out.
Gnog
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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 10:10:16 +0100
From: "Andrew Ellis" <Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com>
To: "Lysator List" <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Equus
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From: Judith Proctor
>I suppose the biggest compliment I can give to the entire cast is to say
that my
>attention was focused on the play and not on Gareth.
>
>Judith
Wow, you've convinced me, just off to check where it is still showing.
Gnog
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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 23:30:58 +0100
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Equus
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In message <00bf01bfa2cc$a5b9ab60$615101d5@leanet>, Andrew Ellis
<Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com> writes
>Wow, you've convinced me, just off to check where it is still showing.
Finished on Saturday, unfortunately. It's not going on tour, which seems
a waste.
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 18:37:12 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Search for Blake and not Jenna
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>
> What do other people think of the balance between these two views. At what
> point do we stop suspending our disbelief and accept that the whole thing is
> scripted, and the script writer is human, with a tight deadline.
>
> Gnog
I think it's more fun to "Play the Game", as Sherlockians say, aas much
as possible. I only shrug and refer to the fallibility of the people
behind the story when there's no other good explanation.
Certainly I know that it was the scriptwriters who decided not to have
the character's talk about Jenna-- but I wasn't looking for why the
scriptwriters didn't include her, unless they were thinking from a
character point of view.
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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 18:47:18 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] The Greeks
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Oh, joy! Ancient civilization and a chance to hear Paul Darrow say,
"Well, now."
Any chance this will become available for purchase in some form? I'd
rather not rely on PBS.
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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 18:49:34 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Possessions
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> > BLAKE: If you've got the money.
> > VILA: But we have, we have.
> >
> > - and the fact that he then cheerfully dips into said money to go on a
> > rather extensive spree suggests that whatever they had *was* considered
> > theirs, not Blake's.
>
> :) Well, if it had been Cally or Gan, I'd be convinced. But Vila?
>
> Mistral
Indeed. I imagine Vila sees everything in the worlds as 'ours'-- the
possession of whoever thinks they own it, and Vila's whenever it becomes
convienent for him to have.
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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 20:19:06 -0600
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] First impressions: "Duel"
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On Sun, 9 Apr 2000 14:38:06 +0100 "Ariana" <ariana@ndirect.co.uk> writes:
> "Blake's 7" does "Arena"... ho-hum.
>
Having never seen "The Rules of Luton" (but, oh, yes, [the pain, the
pain] having seen Duel [and the story on which it was based in which the
human _did_ kill the alien which _did_ cause the alien invaders to be
destroyed and humanity to be spared]), I can't compare Arena to it, but I
feel stubbornly inclined to point out its good points.
1. Spooky, atmospheric planet.
2. Bits of the aliens' dialogue, such as when they pretty much admit to
being dead.
3. Nice, nonDuel-ish touch in which one of the supposedly superior
lifeforms shows an obvious bias towards and identification with Travis.
4. The description of what happened to their species, especially the
monstrous births (would have been interesting if a few progeny had been
crawling around and interfering with events).
5. Jenna and Blake's discussion, in which they discuss the odds they may
fail against the Federation.
6. Travis' chat with a certain mutoid. Was he trying to draw a little
emotional blood only to have it come up flat? Or was it the opposite, was
she someone he had cared about?
7. Avon's bit about showing you care, Vila's response, and Cally's follow
up.
8. Also, I'd like to put in a good word for the costumes. It's difficult
to make a full length, long sleeved dress that, in and of itself, is
enough to make a person think twice about showing the video in mixed
company (some people are pretty deadly with nacho chips, and you don't
want a war to break out during the MST3K treatment). A real
accomplishment there.
And, uh, .... let's see. There must have been something ....
Oh, yeah! Telling us enough about the dietary habits of mutoids to give
plot fodder to anyone wanting to do a Buffy the Vampire Slayer / B7
crossover! Not to mention raising questions about green blood in the
Federation. Was that a metaphor for envy or are Mutoids just very
ecletic eaters (except for alien vampire bats)?
Ellynne
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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 20:13:14 -0600
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: UnAmerican Activities
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On Sun, 09 Apr 2000 23:36:32 -0700 mistral@ptinet.net writes:
>
>
> Iain wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 7 Apr 2000 mistral@ptinet.net wrote:
> >
> > > into law, and I prefer laws to stay out of morality except
> insofar as
> > > is necessary to protect citizens from being violated by others.
> >
> > So does everybody.
>
> Surely you don't believe that? There are a great many people who'd
> be happy to see laws move much further into the realm of morality,
> as long as it's *their* morality that's being enforced.
Perhaps I shouldn't bring this up, but ALL laws have a moral base.
Example: Theft laws. There have been numerous cultures that don't define
theft the way we do or fail to criminalize it to the same extent. In
Shakespeare's day, tehre was no such thing as intellectual property
rights or copyright. The moment a story was out in the air, it was up for
grabs for whoever could get it (this attitude still prevails in certain
countries where pirated videos are readily available).
There are also cases of cultures where certain kinds of theft were
expected (Vikings did not normally return home in the middle of the night
and hide everything until they could doctor the books to prove they came
by the loot legitimately).
Murder: In some cultures, murder is _expected_ under certain
circumstances - vendetta killings and honor killings, not to mention the
ever popular human sacrifice. In others, it may be excused for reasons
we do not consider excuseable (dueling, crimes of passion). There are
places where parents have the right to kill unwanted children (especially
girls).
And what about slavery? Slavery has been so common throughout human
history, the countries that forbid it are (from a historical point of
view, not an ethical one) the aberrations.
What about some of those other, fun things people can be taken to court
for, like nepotism, bribery, and insider trading? The list is endless.
What do we have against these things? Well, they're - you know -
_wrong_. They're _bad_. You _shouldn't do them_.
And don't come back with, "It's not ethics. They just don't serve the
common good," or "It's property rights," or "It's bad for the economy,"
or "enlightened self-interest." Who decided what the common good is and
why should it be served anyway? Property rights, economy, what do I
care? What if the only enlightenment I care about _is_ my own
self-interest, and I can get away with it? Why _should_ I care what
happens to anyone else? Other than it being the _right_ thing?
OTOH, western culture has long recognized a difference between private
and public (not that there haven't enough tragic exceptions). However,
the distintion between the two is not as simple and trite as "you can't
legislate morality," since it could be argued that's all the law has ever
done.
Ellynne
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Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 13:54:55 EST
From: "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] The Greeks
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>From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
>Oh, joy! Ancient civilization and a chance to hear Paul Darrow say,
>"Well, now."
>Any chance this will become available for purchase in some form? I'd
>rather not rely on PBS.
SBS has been plugging the book of the series, but no mention of videos on
their website, or on the ABC website. Surely there must be a video of the
series? Isn't that standard practice these days? It would be a shame for
those who want it if this programme turned out to be the exception to the
rule.
<grin> Otherwise, you'll just have to go back to watching B7 videos...What
hardship!
Regards
Joanne
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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 23:58:36 EDT
From: Pherber@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] The Greeks
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In a message dated 4/10/00 8:41:15 PM Mountain Daylight Time, avona@jps.net
writes:
> Oh, joy! Ancient civilization and a chance to hear Paul Darrow say,
> "Well, now."
>
> Any chance this will become available for purchase in some form? I'd
> rather not rely on PBS.
If it's the one subtitled _Crucible of Civilization_, it's already in the PBS
Home Video catalog. Ph# 800-645-4727.
Nina
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Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 17:55:25 +1000
From: Andrew Williams <AWilliams@daikin.com.au>
To: "'blakes7@lysator.liu.se'" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] UnAmerican Activities
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>Una countered:
> But Neil, think of the genetic mix. With your brains, *my* brains, and the
> looks of an entirely separate person, we could create a GOD!
Or you could forget the looks and go for being the core of Ultraworld....
Andrew.
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Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 09:11:59 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Daily Star
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Neil wrote:
> The news of the proposed B7 movie seems to have filtered down to the Daily
> Star. I salvaged the relevent page (from Friday 7th Apr edition) from the
> works canteen because some its little gems of misinformation seemed worthy
> of a wider audience.
What amazes me most about this report is that I didn't spot a single misused
apostrophe.
Una
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Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 17:47:30 +1000
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Movie News in The Age
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A friend found this URL.
http://www.theage.com.au/entertainment/20000411/A61018-2000Apr10.html
Even the Australian papers know about it, it seems.
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Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 04:42:59 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Motivations Justifications and Science.
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Kai wrote:
<The most obvious reason (though of course not the most interesting one) why
the crew searched for Blake but not Jenna is that Blake had his name in the
show's title, Jenna didn't.>
<grin> yes, yes, yes, *we* know that. But Avon doesn't (and how miffed do we
think he would be if he did???)
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Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 04:43:57 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] First impressions: "Duel"
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Ellyne wrote:
<I can't compare Arena to it, but I feel stubbornly inclined to point out
its good points.>
Can I add a couple more?
9. One of the better space battles (having just watched Breakdown, a better
episode but with the most halfhearted battle in history); it gives a look
at both Travis (meticulous, clever but rigid and lacking ability to
improvise) and Blake (caught out, but a bloody fast thinker in a crisis) as
battle commanders. The fact that we never find out whether the ram would
have worked actually makes it better for me...
10. Okay, it's just three seconds, but Blake's quiet, painful "I've seen
friends die" gets to me every time.
11. The three instances Julia mentions on the
Subject-That-Not-Everyone-Wants-To-Hear-About <grin>. Not sure where the
tape is going to wear out first - the hug (I adore those few lines - 'tis
*so* perfectly The History Of Them) or that smile (which is just plain
gorgeous).
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Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 04:46:33 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Motivations Justifications and Science.
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<Just to add my own angle to this question: I think that if people like a
character, they are more willing to see that character's inconsistencies as
character complexity and more willing to explain and rationalise them with
their own inventions, while with less-interesting characters any
illogicalities are more likely to be just dismissed as bad writing.>
Very interesting, and more than likely. Mind you, I tend to put character
consistencies of those I *really* can't stand down to them just being more
obnoxious than usual...(oh. I've done this to Avon as well. But with him,
it's quite probably the *answer.*)
After all, one (this one, at least) is far more willing to invest serious
thought into a character one finds fascinating anyway, as apart from someone
one just finds interesting...or plain dull or grating.
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Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 00:53:22 +1000
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] web page
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Just lifting my head briefly, in the midst of some awful jetlag
(yeah, I've woken up in the middle of the night *again*) to
say that I decided to change the name of B7 my web-page.
So if you've been referring to the page
http://home.connexus.net.au/~kat/b7/
as "Breezing With Blake's 7", please now use the new name,
"The Lindor Archives".
Unless, of course, with my IQ losing ten points for every hour of
sleep I've lost, someone else has already used this name?
Kathryn "the sleepless" Andersen
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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 18:36:29 +0200
From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] bye for now
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Have to unsubscribe because of a problem with my provider's mail server that
prevents me from receiving any mail. Looks like it's going to be a long
time problem, and I have already nightmares of all that unread mail
cluttering the system :-(. I'll follow the list via the archives and return
when the problem is solved.
Re B7: Isn't it strange that in Moloch, when they are falling towards that
planet, Avon has to tell Tarrant what to do ("Tarrant! Full deflection!")?
Isn't that just the kind of emergency that pilots are trained for? Should
Tarrant not have reacted automatically, instead of waiting for Avon's order?
:-)
Marian
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