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blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 108
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L] RE: [B7] Avon's Skills
Re: [B7L] bye for now
Re: [B7L] the age
Re: [B7L] Carrying Concealed
Re: [B7L] Newbie Speaks!
Re: [B7L] Re: UnAmerican Activities
Re: [B7L] First impressions: "Duel"
Re: [B7L] Catching up on the backlog of Digests...
Re: [B7L] Carrying Concealed
Re: [B7L] First impressions: "Duel"
[B7L] Avonics
Re: [B7L] Avonics
Re: [B7L] Carrying Concealed
[B7L] anoraks
[B7L] Fanfic Website Owners
Re: [B7L] Catching up on the backlog of Digests... (awfully
off-topic)
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Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 09:21:03 +0100
From: "Andrew Ellis" <Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] RE: [B7] Avon's Skills
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me >> I like to think that they *don't* drug them all.
David,
>but i like to think that the Federation will
>have developed
>much more subtle drugs.
They do, eventually (series 4). The fact that the drug introduced by Slear
is so revolutionary kind of suggests that they did NOT have such useful
drugs in series 1.
Gnog
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Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 21:15:03 +0200
From: "TheMoon" <LaLuna@cable.A2000.nl>
To: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>, <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] bye for now
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Hello Marian
Welke provider heb je ?? als ik vragen mag .. Ik bedoel dit mag niet
gebeuren bij een goede provider!!
What isp are you using? if i may ask... ?? It is a bad thing for a provider
this kind of problem!!
Regards Monique
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Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 08:17:25 +0100
From: "Andrew Ellis" <Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com>
To: "blake's seven" <blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] the age
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From: Roger the Shrubber <
Welcome back, I'm new since you were last here.
>******
>Wow! Can we get Mr Sewell to join this mailing list ?
Erm..... Given the temperature of recent threads ?
Gnog
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Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 08:30:04 +0100
From: "Andrew Ellis" <Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Carrying Concealed
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From: Dana Shilling
>Why not put the teleport and communications on something about the size and
>shape of a credit card or the modem card for a laptop?
Perhaps (and I only say perhaps)
1) The element responsible for focusing the energy needs to be in contact
with the skin.
2) For correct operation, a conductive material needs to encircle the body
of the person to be teleported, otherwise everybody within a fixed range
would be teleported as well.
So its a bracelet a belt or a necklace. The necklace is a bit hard to move
up to your mouth for talking and you can't see it to adjust it. You need to
get undressed for the belt (good for certain types of fan fic, but otherwise
quite impractical) So its a bracelet.
Gnog
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Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 09:15:16 +0100
From: "DragonFly" <dragonfly@pond65.fsnet.co.uk>
To: <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Newbie Speaks!
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Thanks for the link on the new tv movie....welcome.....does anyone know if
Micheal Keating is going to be in? I have head from a friend that he might
be but it hasn't been confirmed. it would be nice considering he was in all
52 episodes and Avon I think was in 51 of 52; so I think they both deserve
to be....
Julia - Loughborough
----- Original Message -----
From: Trey Lane <slumberlord@hotmail.com>
To: <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 5:30 PM
Subject: [B7L] Newbie Speaks!
> Hello All. I am a newbie to the show and the list. I'm one of those
> Americans who hates America, and I was raised on Doctor Who. I recently
got
> the first 10 B7 stories on video and am currently finishing up
> SEEK-LOCATE-DESTROY. I'm going to wait until I finish the epis I have
before
> commenting on them, but I will say I have so far been impressed.
>
> On another note, I don't know if the B7 movie is new info to all of you,
but
> the BBC nEws page has a story up about it currently:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/entertainment/newsid_705000/705922.stm
>
> make sure you fit in that "m" there... ;)
>
>
>
> tL
>
> Quantumvis cursum longum fessumque moratur Sol,
> sacro tandem carmine vesper adest.
>
> No matter how long the sun may linger on its long and weary journey,
> at length, evening comes with its sacred song.
>
>
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Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 18:55:27 +0100
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: B7 List <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: UnAmerican Activities
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In message <38F49E43.3A769DDD@ptinet.net>, mistral@ptinet.net writes
>People have a right to be wrong, to think wrong, to do wrong;
>that's what free will is about. Our laws were originally designed
>to limit those freedoms enough to protect people from each other,
>not from themselves.
"Your right to swing your fist stops at the end of my nose." I don't
agree with Heinlein on a lot of things, but that's a fairly good summary
of rights versus responsibilities.
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 22:18:54 +0100
From: "Ariana" <ariana@ndirect.co.uk>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] First impressions: "Duel"
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Collated responses...
From: <RCalla6725@aol.com>
Hello Richard! What a surprise to find you here. Is an "Anorak's Guide" in
the works for B7? :)
> 1. Vila - "I don't mind rough, it's fatal I'm not too keen on". I think
it's
> the way Michael Keating tells 'em that makes me laugh so much.
That's true, I missed that one in my list of good dialogue moments. Drat,
and I was so keen to point out Vila's good lines as well as Avon's.
----- Original Message -----
From: Alison Page <alison@alisonpage.demon.co.uk>
> >"The Rules of Luton"... features super-beings who were actually still
> >photographs of various conifers
>
> God I hope that's true, because it's extremely funny.
Absolutely true, I'm afraid! Not only that, but the conifers appeared in
colour on the S1999 people's 'comlocks', which normally featured a B&W
display. *And* they metamorphosed into a different kind of tree in one
scene. Very shoddy work indeed. As I said, the comparison was not a
compliment to "Duel".
----- Original Message -----
From: Neil Faulkner <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
> Still, a lot snappier than "The Rules of Carshalton Beeches"
Yes, there was some speculation on the S1999 mailing-list as to what would
have happened if the American producer had been travelling on some other
motorways. "The Rules of Milton-Keynes"? "The Rules of Pratt's Bottom"?
(That's a real place in Kent; I used to live just up the road from it :)
----- Original Message -----
From: Murray Smith <mjsmith@tcd.ie>
> There is a connection between 'Duel' and 'The Rules of Luton'. In the
> latter episode, three aliens are forced to fight the human heros, one of
> the three being played by David Jackson, who plays Gan in B7.<g>
ROFL! I didn't know that. Of course, there's another connection between this
episode and S1999 in general (aside from similar locations - what a
coincidence). Isla Blair also played in the S1999 episode "Journey to
Where". I suppose if you were doing the scifi circuit in Britain in the 70s,
you were liable to end up in all these shows. Did David Jackson and Isla
Blair ever appear in Doctor Who? I gather that Paul Darrow did.
Ellyne and Sally -- point taken about the good points. I could see that more
could be made of the background, the aliens, and the battle, but since the
episode doesn't deliver much in that respect, I think I'll leave it at the
bottom of my list for the moment. It might benefit from a worse episode
further down the line...
Ariana
http://www.alpha.ndirect.co.uk
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Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 17:47:48 EDT
From: Prmolloy@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Catching up on the backlog of Digests...
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Mistral wrote:
>There's no suggestion in Jesus's teachings, or that of the
> apostles, that it's acceptable to coerce people to give/share.
Harriett responded:
I'm still several days behind catching up with my digests, so forgive me if
someone has mentioned this, but what about Ananias and Sapphira (Acts
5.1-11)? In brief, the apostles' supporters are selling all their land and
houses and laying the money at the apostles' feet; a couple called Ananias
and Sapphira secretly keep back part of their proceeds; Peter accuses them
of lying to the Holy Ghost and they both drop dead on the spot; "and great
fear came on all them that heard these things".
I suppose the difference is that Ananias and Sapphira supposedly had agreed
to voluntarily give up all of their possessions to support the apostles, but
did not keep their word, making them big fat liars, something which likely
irked Peter, a man not known for his great patience anyway.
Trish
<g>
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Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 14:54:36 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Carrying Concealed
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Dana wrote:
<Why not put the teleport and communications on something about the size and
shape of a credit card or the modem card for a laptop?>
I would have said 'because of the number of times they got lost...but then,
would the Altas be the sort of semi-person who loses things? After all, the
things were designed for them.
On Scorpio, of course, Avon went with what they were used to (OTOH, maybe he
*did* lose things that weren't actually fastened on.)
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Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 18:52:43 EDT
From: RCalla6725@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] First impressions: "Duel"
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In a message dated 12/04/00 22:34:38 GMT Daylight Time, ariana@ndirect.co.uk
writes:
<< Hello Richard! What a surprise to find you here. Is an "Anorak's Guide" in
the works for B7? :) >>
Funnily enough, Ariana, I did think of doing that - but not only is there so
much of B7 (52 episodes of the stuff!) but it's also got so much info and
depth and meaning that it'd take forever to catalogue it all.
Still, would be a worthwhile project to do.... providing I had a year off
work to complete it! :)
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Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 00:04:40 -0400
From: "Dana Shilling" <dshilling@worldnet.att.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Avonics
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It's remarkable the sheer number of ways Avon (a person who likes to talk)
can avoid actual communication. At the simplest end of the spectrum is plain
old refusing to talk to carbon-based life forms, with more sophisticated
options such as statements that make as much sense backwards as forwards:
the "regrets" dialogue with Cally in Sarcophagus not only means "Why is
someone who wouldn't recognize an emotion if it jumped up and bit him on the
ass telling me what to feel" but also means "If you believe that, Avon, why
have you allowed guilt to destroy your life?"
A few entries toward an Avonic-Terran dictionary:
[ ] (unspoken phrase) (Aftermath) About bloody time someone thought I was
beautiful
[ ] (unspoken phrase) (Harvest of Kairos) Go away, I'm talking to my rock
[ ] (unspoken phrase) (Star One) You were an idiot to trust me, especially
at first
DEMONSTRABLY (adv.) Yes, I thought you wouldn't get it
OBVIOUSLY (adv.) No
PROBABLY (adv.) You're right, but I won't give you the satisfaction of
admitting it
TANITHLEE (adv.) In a surprisingly fannish manner
In one of the S3 episodes (Volcano, I think) Tarrant manages to infuriate
Avon to the point that Avon actually tells him "Shut up"--i.e., in two
syllables, not three lines of iambic pentameter. I never thought I'd see the
day.
But as Terminal points out, it's impossible to actually communicate with
ANYBODY in the crew. It doesn't matter whether you beg them, order them,
forbid them, issue a verbal death threat, pull a gun on them--they're still
going to do whatever they felt like doing anyway.
-(Y)
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Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 14:53:38 EST
From: "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Avonics
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>From: "Dana Shilling" <dshilling@worldnet.att.net>
>someone who wouldn't recognize an emotion if it jumped up and bit him on
>the ass
An emotion with a mouthful of leather...Or a mouthful of donkey hide, one or
the other...That's the second dreadful image I've been afflicted with this
week.
Regards
Joanne
(...and no, the first didn't involve the Deathwatch costume)
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Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 23:36:07 +0100
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Carrying Concealed
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In message <20000412215436.41052.qmail@hotmail.com>, Sally Manton
<smanton@hotmail.com> writes
>On Scorpio, of course, Avon went with what they were used to (OTOH, maybe he
>*did* lose things that weren't actually fastened on.)
given the number of times I've lost my security card for work, this
would not surprise me in the least. Eventually an exasperated
receptionist gave me a heavy duty metal clip strung on a loop around my
neck (without even threatening to tighten said loop should I manage to
lose *this* card), since I kept breaking the standard plastic clips:-)
Neat gadgets, these. You walk up to a door, and it magically unlocks as
soon as you get close enough to the reader panel. *Much* better than
swipe cards.
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:29:11 +0100
From: Alison Page <alison_page@becta.org.uk>
To: "'blakes7@lysator.liu.se'" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] anoraks
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ariana@ndirect.co.uk writes: << Hello Richard! What a surprise to find you
here. Is an "Anorak's Guide" in the works for B7? :) >>
Richard replies:
<<Funnily enough, Ariana, I did think of doing that - but not only is there
so much of B7 (52 episodes of the stuff!) but it's also got so much info and
depth and meaning that it'd take forever to catalogue it all. >>
You might be talking about something which has already been done - that is
the 'Sevencyclopedia' by Neil, frequent poster to this very lyst. (How come
you aren't speaking up for yourself Neil? - at work I suppose).
I would heartily recommend it, as it is a good information source, and it
also exemplifies Neil's dry humour and keen interest in ornithology. You can
also take a look at it on-line on Judith's site, but I haven't got the URL
on me.
Alison
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Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 14:31:18 +0100
From: JMR <jager@clara.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Fanfic Website Owners
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I thought there might be some people here interested in this.
Judith
>Date: 4/12/00 5:18 AM
>From: alice w, tigger2@netropolis.net
>
>
>Hi, I'm alice ttlg. I know there's a list for archivists of big archives
>but I haven't seen much for the fanfic writer who runs their own site or
>for
>the small archivist, so.........
>
>I've started a new list! FanficWebsites:
>
>For discussion between fanfic writers who maintain websites for their
>stories or archivists who maintain a small (or big) archive. Everybody
>knows something, maybe only a little but together, it adds up to a whole
>lot! All types of fanfic sites, gen, adult, het, slash, are welcome. From
>novice to expert, we'll discuss all levels of webhosting, design, html,
>java, counters, forms, graphics, etc. with an emphasis on websites for
>fanfic.
>
>Click here to join:
>http://www.egroups.com/group/FanficWebsites
>
>---------------------------------
>
>Feel free to forward this message to any interested parties.
>
>alice ttlg
>List owner
>FanficWebsites
>
http://home.clara.net/jager
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Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 20:54:49 -0400
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Catching up on the backlog of Digests... (awfully
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Mistral wrote:
>Right, but check verse 5.4; Peter says that it was
> their land, under their control. Even after they sold
>it, the money was theirs. The problem wasn't that
>they didn't want to give it, the problem was that
>they *lied* about it. They were essentially defrauding
>the church. Notice that Peter gave Sapphira a chance
>to tell the truth. That wasn't necessary if his real concern
>was getting the money.
It did occur to me that lying might be the real issue, so I checked the
text before writing the first message. In 5.3, Peter says "Why hath Satan
filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost and to keep back part of the
price of the land?" Which reads to me as if Peter objects both to the
lying AND to the keeping back of the money. When he speaks to Sapphira,
the issue isn't quite so clear; he asks her to confirm the price of the
land, then asks why "ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the
Lord?"
5.4 ("after it was sold, was it not in thine own power?") puzzles me a bit
- it might mean, as you imply, that he's acknowledging they weren't obliged
to give the money to the church. It might also mean that there was no
external constraint to prevent them giving the money to the church (eg a
creditor, provision for an ageing parent, etc).
But 5.3 seems to me to make it fairly explicit that withholding the money
was considered sinful. And the fact that we're told twice that "great fear
came upon all the church, and upon as many as heard these things" makes me
think that the next convert wasn't likely to take any chances on possible
technicalities and would cough up the full sum.
Harriet
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