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blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 118
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L] First impressions: "Breakdown"
Re: [B7L] RE: The Incredible Gan
Re: [B7L] Federation Logo
RE: [B7L] RE: The Incredible Gan
Re: [B7L] On Dayna and Evolution
[B7L] Dangerous Liaison for Jarriere
Vargas [was Re: [B7L] Re: Avon and Ananias]
Coser and snobbery [was RE: [B7L] On Dayna and Evolution]
[B7L] Backgrounds and Manners (was: On Dayna and Evolution)
[B7L] RE: The Incredible Gan
Re: [B7L] Dangerous Liaison for Jarriere
Re: [B7L] Liberator's vaults
re:carrying concealed
Re: [B7L] Backgrounds and Manners (was: On Dayna and Evolution)
[B7L] Names (was the incredible Gan)
Re: [B7L] On Dayna and Evolution
Re: [B7L] 25mm Blakes 7 miniatures.
Re: [B7L] On Dayna and Evolution
Re: [B7L] On Dayna and Evolution
Fwd: RE: [B7L] RE: The Incredible Gan
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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 09:55:29 +0100
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: b7 <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] First impressions: "Breakdown"
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In message <00a301bfad85$fcfda480$84e407c3@ariana>, Ariana
<ariana@ndirect.co.uk> writes
>======
>
>AVON: Blake, in the unlikely event that we survive this --
>BLAKE: Yes?
>AVON: I'm finished. Staying with you requires a degree of stupidity
> of which I no longer feel capable.
>BLAKE: No, you're just being modest.
>
>======
I love this - it looks as if Avon's been saving up that exit line for
weeks, and then Blake calmly squashes him without even thinking about
it:-)
>======
>RENOR: Oh, a sense of humour, too. I love girls with a sense of humour.
>JENNA: Yes, I can see where that would be an advantage.
>
>======
At least Avon is bright enough to realise when he's been squashed by an
expert:-)
>
>Nice to see Gareth Thomas in Randall and Hopkirk yesterday. He's grown old
>and, um, rather large in the last twenty years. But it was a nice spooky
>role and he's a damn fine actor.
That's not large, that's cuddly. Although not in that role... He's very,
very good as the landlord with something to hide.
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 09:29:31 +0100
From: "Andrew Ellis" <Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] RE: The Incredible Gan
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>Okay, why is it only the female members of the crew, and Vila, get called
by
>their Christian names? Mind you, Vila is effeminate. Maybe it's some macho
>"call me by my last name" schtick they're all coming out with.
>
>It just struck me this week, as, even in moments of great sadness, a crew
>member is consoled by being called "Blake" or "Gan", etc.
>
Perhaps it is the name that each character is comfortable with, and that as
un-PC as they are, boys public schools still exist. Blake, Avon Gan and
Travis all attended. Vila did not, Cally could not, and Jenna went to
Roedean.
Gnog
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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 21:11:06 +0100
From: "David A McIntee" <Master@allisurvey.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Federation Logo
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> You mean the ST Federation *isn't* right-wing?
>
> Neil
>
No, it's a Stalinist dictatorship
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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 22:36:12 +0200
From: Jacqueline Thijsen <jacqueline.thijsen@cmg.nl>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: RE: [B7L] RE: The Incredible Gan
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> >Okay, why is it only the female members of the crew, and
> >Vila, get called by
> >their Christian names? Mind you, Vila is effeminate.
This has been bugging me since this was posted, so I'll just ask: exactly
how was Vila effeminate?
Jacqueline
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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 09:58:28 +0100
From: "Andrew Ellis" <Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com>
To: "B7 Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] On Dayna and Evolution
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>But I cannot imagine how Scandinavians could ever have managed to
>interbreed with Australians.
>Please explain how a 6 foot blonde Swede could be similar to a 4 foot
>dark aborigine.
>
>>You might as well divide people up by blood group, and then there would be
>>four recognised human races: the A-oids, the B-oids, the O-oids and
AB-oids.
>
This is all getting a little bit silly and off topic. I glad my other half
(a trained genetic engineer) is not reading this.
A couple of general gripes.
I hope everybody realises that since plants use the same biochemical
reactions as we humans, in all probability they share a large proportion of
their genes with us. But I don't see much breeding. If we have any other
biologists on the list perhaps they could inject some sanity. It has been
recently reported that monkeys share over 90 % of their genes with humans.
We should be careful to distinguish between Darwin's theory of evolution and
the genetic theory of evolution popular today, and also rationalise that
with the fact that, due to environmental factors, the average height is
steadily increasing at a rate inconsistent with genetic mutation.
Back to the point.
The common (African) ancestry of Aboriginal Australians and Norse tribes is
a widely held belief in the scientific community, and their capacity to
interbreed in modern society is surely not in question. They are similar in
that 99 % (I don't actually know how many 9's this runs to, probably lots)
of their genetic material are common, and the fact that they are
pheonotypically different only indicates the necessity for very small
genetic differences. In that way they are *similar*.
On the question of RACE.
according to the Oxford Concise Science Dictionary (Oxford University Press,
1984, [with corrections 1987]) Race is defined as follows
1 (biology) A category used in the classification of organisms that consists
of a group of individuals within a species that are geographically,
ecologically, physiologically, OR chromosomally distinct from other members
of the species. The term is often used in the same sense as subspecies.
2 (anthropology) A distinct human type possessing several characteristics
that are genetically inherited. The major races are Mongoloid, Caucasian,
Negroid, and Australoid.
Having cleared that one up. Back to the legitimate topic of the list. I
always thought that it was Federation policy to populate all worlds with
stock of all earth races (& I interpreted that as to be in proportion to
their population levels on Earth). That Dayna, isolated on a non Federation
planet, did not know that causes me no concern. That the higher echelons of
the military fail to reflect that policy also fails to be inconsistent in my
mind.
Whilst we are given no direct evidence, I take the existence of this
equality policy as evidence that racism (2-anthropology) is a problem in the
Federation.
Gnog
p.s. I apologise to any biologists / genetic engineers reading this who's
knowledge of this subject matter clearly far exceeds mine.
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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 20:12:20 -0400
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "Blake's 7 (Lysator)" <BLAKES7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Dangerous Liaison for Jarriere
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I was just rewatching the excellent Stephen Frears film of Dangerous
Liaisons (accept no cheap imitations, even if they star Colin Firth) and
suddenly thought there was something awfully familiar about the voice of
Monsieur Armand, the peasant whose family Valmont (Malkovich) saves from
ruin. So I had a look at the cast list at the end, and nearly fell off my
chair when I saw "Armand... Harry Jones".
Well, it may be a common name but, given Equity rules on names, it seems
rather likely that Armand and Jarriere are one and the same. Damn, I knew
I should have taped it. Now I'll have to wait for the next reshowing to
catch that precious minute again. Meanwhile, Sally, watch out for it!
Harriet
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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 20:14:14 -0400
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Vargas [was Re: [B7L] Re: Avon and Ananias]
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Ellynne wrote:
>I think the idea of an individual or group coming up
> with the plague idea out of a desperate desire to
>save the colony instead of just being power mad is
>more interesting. And then, if the person who
>started it saw it devolving into what it became and
>wanted to stop it but feared the resulting chaos
>and bloodshed would be even worse, that's interesting.
This would be really nice. Has anyone ever written "Vargas - misunderstood
idealist"?
Harriet
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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 20:14:10 -0400
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Coser and snobbery [was RE: [B7L] On Dayna and Evolution]
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Jacqueline wrote:
>The way Avon talked about Coser (not bad
> for a beta grade), led me to suspect that he
>himself must be a higher (alpha?) grade. After
>all, he'd hardly sneer like that at his own grade.
Actually, when does Avon say this? Although I belong to the school which
thinks the grades aren't nearly as important as people think, I was about
to sugges that, if he were Beta, one could interpret it as a sneer at the
grading system. But when I decided to look at the script to see if there
were any clues, I couldn't find Avon commenting on Coser. Blake says
"Coser's only a Beta class weapons technician, so he's not important enough
to have caused all this fuss." Later, Coser compliments himself : "Not
bad, Coser, not bad. For a Beta grade, not bad", which is clearly a sneer
at the system. But I couldn't find any relevant remarks by Avon - have I
missed something by lazily omitting to sit through the screening?
Harriet
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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 17:29:24 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Backgrounds and Manners (was: On Dayna and Evolution)
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Ariana wrote:
<That was me, and I hold by my opinion. Avon is too nasty to everyone to be
from a secure high-grade background, IMHO.>
I still think it was high-grade, but definitely *not* secure (That's the
difference I see between Blake's and Avon's background.) Avon's selfishness
and general coldness could indicate a rather barren upbringing rather than a
deprived one.
Whereas Vila's hedonistic get-all-the-goodies-you-can-now attitude (which
can even override his natural caution - see Shadow, he's like a kid being
left outside the candy store) might come from a materially deprived one.
And after Ariana wrote:
<Avon is too nasty to everyone to be from a secure high-grade background,
IMHO.>
Neil replied:
<Which just goes to show how perceptions differ, since I don't recall him
ever being terribly nasty to anyone.>
<grin> part of what makes B7 such a wonderful hobby…we continually have
cases of people watching precisely the episodes and seeing two completely
different bits of film.
I would not use the word 'nasty' myself, but he's definitely (and probably
deliberately) forgotten most of the things he was taught as a child about
'if you can't say anything nice...' But a lot of the general sarcasm and
malicious wit is as natural as breathing, he doesn't even have to think
about it - he's as casually cruel as a cat. Then there's the verbal sparring
and mental games he plays with Blake and Vila (he *has* to think about them,
but they hardly come under the heading of general 'nastiness' even when he's
being breathtakingly rude). A couple of times he does get really savage (the
icy blast at the beginning of Trial, for instance, and his argument with
Cally in Children).
It's lovely when he does take a liking to some outsider and is quite nice
and polite (Vena in Headhunter, and Hal Mellanby - Dayna must have had a
shock when this charming stranger suddenly turned into - err - Avon).
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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 17:33:00 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] RE: The Incredible Gan
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After I wrote:
<Actually, we don't *know* that all females are - Servalan, Kasabi, Avalon
and Soolin could all be surnames...>
Ellynne queried:
<Didn't we cover this a while back? Ripley Kasabie, Princess Leia Avalon,
and Mary Sue Servalan.>
Yup, but Richard *did* ask, and being fascinated by names, I couldn't resist
(and it's Charity Servalan, remember? Or was it Chastity I christened her?
Oh well.)
Soolin, of course, would have one of those nice, sensible, practical names
like Bertha or Gertrude. Alternately Soolin *is* her first name and she's
suppressed the *surname*...
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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 17:45:39 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [B7L] Dangerous Liaison for Jarriere
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Harriet wrote:
<I was just rewatching the excellent Stephen Frears film of Dangerous
Liaisons (accept no cheap imitations, even if they star Colin Firth) and
suddenly thought there was something awfully familiar about the voice of
Monsieur Armand, the peasant whose family Valmont (Malkovich) saves from
ruin. So I had a look at the cast list at the end, and nearly fell off my
chair when I saw "Armand... Harry Jones".>
Oooooohhhh....wonder if it's at the video shop so we can check.
<Now I'll have to wait for the next reshowing to catch that precious minute
again. Meanwhile, Sally, watch out for it!>
Absolutely, and thanks for the alert (anyone else see it?)
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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 00:41:45 EDT
From: Pherber@aol.com
To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se
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In a message dated 4/19/00 1:11:36 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
cgorman@idirect.com writes:
Hi Steve - welcome!
You wrote:
> Maybe they would have problems turning the Gems into Federation credits?
Interesting possibility. Could be -- may be even probable -- that the Feds
don't allow trading in hard currencies within their own system, so that
Liberator's crew would have to go through multiple trades to obtain official
Federation credits. OTOH, it would probably be difficult to pay weapons
dealers, informants, etc., with Federation credits, especially if they did
business mostly outside the Federation.
Nina
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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 14:40:17 +1000
From: "Roger the Shrubber" <powerplay@cheerful.com>
To: "blake's seven" <blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: re:carrying concealed
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Pat wrote
***
Here in the U.S. personal freedoms are being shot down like rebels at
Gauda Prime.
Individuals simply *must* start drawing a line and refuse to be tracked,
monitored, tested, fingerprinted, implanted, satellite-scanned.
Increasingly, citizens are treated as guilty until proven innocent
***
In complex &/or highly populated societies, compromises must be made. On
the one hand you have personal freedoms, liberties & privacy, on the other
you have to consider the right of the general population to be protected
from , for example, crime & other problems.
Statements such as "guilty until proven innocent" are used as a sinister
warning against "Big Brother", but only a naive person would think that
this is a new concept. People have been "guilty until proven innocent"
throughout history.
In western society, it is becoming increasingly necessary to follow this
doctrine in some situations.
What would happen if I was pulled over by the police this afternoon & I
refused to take a breath test ? I would be immediately considered guilty of
being a drunk driver. I would IMMEDIATELY be forced to abandon my car. I
would be fined. Even if I was more sober than the cop who booked me ! In
the very near future, drivers will also be tested for a variety of other
recreational drugs. If such a test is refused, you will be considered
guilty IMMEDIATELY. Even if you have never taken drugs.
But what is the alternative ? Protecting the individual's rights may mean
the death or injury of other motorists if the individual was considered
"innocent until proven guilty".
And what if you are the victim of a crime, such as rape or robbery ? How
would you like to hear the following from the investigating officer
..."Well, yes we now have a pretty good idea who did it, but we are not
allowed to forcibly take fingerprints/DNA samples from the suspect, or bug
his phone, or question him for more than an hour, in order to protect his
rights, privacy & freedoms. Chances are, he's going to get away with it."
The control of criminals & the sheer conveniences of modern living make
greater scrutiny of the individual inevitable. However, I believe that,
while some of our freedoms are being eroded, the sheer nature of Western
society is that more freedoms are being opened up (via technology, the
media, internet, communications) than are being eroded.
The individual has never been so powerful.
darren r
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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 22:38:14 -0600
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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On Mon, 24 Apr 2000 17:29:24 PDT "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
writes:
> Ariana wrote:
> <That was me, and I hold by my opinion. Avon is too nasty to
> everyone to be
> from a secure high-grade background, IMHO.>
>
> I still think it was high-grade, but definitely *not* secure (That's
> the
> difference I see between Blake's and Avon's background.)
Sounds good to me. I also agree that Avon was an equal opportunity
sneerer.
> I would not use the word 'nasty' myself, but he's definitely (and
> probably
> deliberately) forgotten most of the things he was taught as a child
> about
> 'if you can't say anything nice...'
Surely you jest. I think Avon got patted on the head every time he left
some one in verbally sliced ribbons (all right, maybe it was just him
giving himself a pat on the back. It still means one of the few people
he thought highly of was reinforcing this behavior).
Ellynne
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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 22:30:22 -0600
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Names (was the incredible Gan)
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On Mon, 24 Apr 2000 17:33:00 PDT "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
writes:
>
> Yup, but Richard *did* ask, and being fascinated by names, I
> couldn't resist
Ah, yes, I know what you mean.
>
> Soolin, of course, would have one of those nice, sensible, practical
> names
> like Bertha or Gertrude. Alternately Soolin *is* her first name and
> she's
> suppressed the *surname*...
My sources suggest Soolin could come from one of the Chinese dialects,
meaning 'pale jade' I think. Since I went with the idea that her family
had been massacred but the killers had decided to take the pretty blonde
along with them, I assumed this was the nickname they gave her. Skipping
over the undoubtably unpleasant details of her life with them, she
eventually got them to think of her as one of them, enough that they
started teaching her how to use the weapons (it probably started as
almost a joke [although they still would have had to have some sense of
trust or control towards her]).
Given the fact that there was only one other person I can think of in the
series who seemed to have a far eastern accent, one I'd guess came from
growing up really speaking another language than what everybody else in
B7 space speaks. Again, this makes interesting suggestions about B7
history if at least some people originally from that area still keep
their own language (unlike everyone else) and seem to be socially
marginalized (Soolin's mentor was some kind of outlaw killer, the other
guy made specific reference to his lack of advancement being based on
lack of connections with possible hints of ethnic discrimination).
Then again, maybe it came from reading those Cordwainer Smith stories
where the Chinese took over space (until they were overthrown by an odd
assortment of characters including a telepathic bear [hmm, kom is Korean
for bear, maybe it was Supreme Kom-Ander Servalan, ander from andro for
man, Supreme Leader of the Bear-Human Federation, Blake and Gan being
human-bear hybrids .... I'm losing it, aren't I? Then again, it puts a
whole new spin on Avon's teddy bear and why he lost it in the first place
....).
Oh, well. Back to the subject. I suppose, given the rather emotionally
scarring events Soolin had been through, she didn't identify with the
little girl she'd been before the massacre (or maybe she thought of her
previous self as dead, like the rest of her family, survivor guilt,
trauma, etc.) And people ask what's in a name.
Just stray thoughts.
Ellynne
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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 23:08:49 -0600
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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On Mon, 24 Apr 2000 09:58:28 +0100 "Andrew Ellis"
<Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com> writes:
I
> always thought that it was Federation policy to populate all worlds
> with
> stock of all earth races (& I interpreted that as to be in
> proportion to
> their population levels on Earth).
Whereas I thought this was preFederation. Or, at least, preEvil Empire
Federation.
That Dayna, isolated on a non
> Federation
> planet, did not know that causes me no concern.
Yes, but Avon didn't hesitate to introduce her as his wife when trying to
con Federation soldiers. Since he was also trying to pass them off as
Important People (and since the soldiers considered it possible) I think
certain ethnic prejudices may have changed. At other times, she's passed
as a favorite student of one of the Federation's most important
scientists. Then there's the way she's never used sexiness to get what
she wants from an opponent, unlike Jenna. Or Servalan. Or Anna. Or
.... but back to the point.
That the higher
> echelons of
> the military fail to reflect that policy also fails to be
> inconsistent in my
> mind.
You've got me there.
> Whilst we are given no direct evidence, I take the existence of this
> equality policy as evidence that racism (2-anthropology) is a
> problem in the
> Federation.
>
Oh, I like to think racism is alive and kicking in the Federation. I
just like to think it's found different victims. I guess I like to think
of the Federation as being more of a different culture, in some ways
(that fun house mirror effect, for one thing, just my idea of
entertainment).
I know I've said this before but I think the Federation had a hierarchy
with humans on top of the species list, older settled planets on top of
the colony list, Earth on top of the older settled planets list, Earth
humans (dome dwellers only) on top of the humans list, Alphas on top the
Earth humans list, and probably lots more subgroups than I have time for.
Cally, as (from a Federation point of view, if not a biologically
accurate reality) a very nonhuman from a world with no known Earth ties,
can find her crewmates turning on her at odd moments.
Jenna, who is high grade and implies she things of herself as an Earth
person in Pressure Point but who (as a trader spending most of her life
in space) may be considered lower on the caste hierarchy, is particularly
sensitive about nonhumans, IMHO, perhaps making up for sensitivity about
her own status there.
Avon, who is always ready to make a sneering comments about humans,
interestingly enough doesn't strike me as being as prejudiced as the
others (you'd think it would be the other way around, with Avon having a
little ethnic pyramid in his head with him on top and everyone else
several bricks down).
But that's all just IMHO.
Ellynne
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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 09:17:54 GMT
From: "Mat Shayde" <dorian17@hotmail.com>
To: stickman1968@hotmail.com, blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] 25mm Blakes 7 miniatures.
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"Andy Spencer" wrote
>Hi,
> On a more optimistic note than my last post, Harlequin miniatures may
>produce a series of 25mm Blakes 7 figures.
>It seems it's up to us, the fans, to influence their decision.
<snip>
>Their address & telephone number is: HARLEQUIN MINIATURES LTD, UNIT S3, 632
>RADFORD ROAD, BASFORD, NOTTINGHAM, NG7 7EX. (0115 942 2265)
>
>If you would like to contact them via e-mail, or to see what a good job
>they
>are making of the Dr Who figures check out their web site at:
>
>www.harlequin-miniatures.com
>
I have to say - the Dr Who range is superb and the figures look good painted
or unpainted. I'll be e-mailing Harlequin to voice my interest in a Blake's
7 range.
>If we want to see a Blakes 7 range of figures, it's up to us.
Dorian - "You mean you're here by choice?"
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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 17:54:34 +1000
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] On Dayna and Evolution
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On Mon, Apr 24, 2000 at 11:08:49PM -0600, Ellynne G. wrote:
>
> Avon, who is always ready to make a sneering comments about humans,
> interestingly enough doesn't strike me as being as prejudiced as the
> others (you'd think it would be the other way around, with Avon having a
> little ethnic pyramid in his head with him on top and everyone else
> several bricks down).
Which simply shows that he hasn't bought in to that particular
pyramid. I suspect Avon's personal pyramid is intelligence, (c'mon,
he's an INTx!) which he respects or disrespects regardless of race,
gender or species.
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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 07:38:08 EDT
From: Mac4781@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] On Dayna and Evolution
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Ellynne wrote:
> Avon, who is always ready to make a sneering comments about humans,
> interestingly enough doesn't strike me as being as prejudiced as the
> others (you'd think it would be the other way around, with Avon having a
> little ethnic pyramid in his head with him on top and everyone else
> several bricks down).
The following exchange suggested to me that Avon had brought up Cally's
non-human status on occasion. Hence Cally's response in the following:
AVON: Try a straight question.
CALLY: You didn't trust me. You thought I had some obscure
reaction to something on that ship, didn't you? You
and I teleported so that you could watch me and see
what I'd do. You cut Tarrant out because he had the
same idea, but he'd made no secret of it.
AVON: You're over-reacting.
CALLY: Probably. But you wouldn't expect a normal human
response, would you? I'm not quite human.
Carol Mc
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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 14:27:35 GMT
From: "Mat Shayde" <dorian17@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Fwd: RE: [B7L] RE: The Incredible Gan
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Jacqueline Thijsen wrote
> > >Okay, why is it only the female members of the crew, and
> > >Vila, get called by
> > >their Christian names? Mind you, Vila is effeminate.
>
>This has been bugging me since this was posted, so I'll just ask: exactly
>how was Vila effeminate?
It's bugging me too Jacqueline - Vila isn't effeminate, (not that there's
anything wrong with being effeminate) he's just not a macho moron.
There *is* a mid-point between macho and effeminate that the vast majority
of men inhabit. As I have said in a previous post, Vila has always struck me
as being the most reall charcter simply because he does get frightened, he
does admit to feeling pain, he reacts in a way that I imagine I would react
if I were thrust into some of teh situations that he is. (No matter how much
I might like to kid myself into believing that I would react with Avon's icy
sardonic calm, I know I'd just get scared, as I suspect, would most people.)
Dorian - "You mean you're here by choice?"
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