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blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 120
Today's Topics:
[B7L] Bergerac
Nation (was Re: [B7L] The Incredible Gan)
[B7L] RE: B7L: Help--I have a few questions
Re: [B7L] Avon and Aliens
[B7L] Gareth clip on Randall and Hopkirk
Re: [B7L] First impressions: "Breakdown"
[B7L] Avon and Aliens
[B7L] Re: Backgrounds and Manners
[B7L] Pointless observation...
Re: [B7L] Gareth clip on Randall and Hopkirk
Lost technology
Servalan's forename [was [B7L] RE: The Incredible Gan]
[B7L] Zine Sale List updated
[B7L] Avon's Ultraworld Costume
[B7L] 'Together Again'
Re: Nation (was Re: [B7L] The Incredible Gan)
[B7L] links to page
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Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 16:30:54 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
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Subject: [B7L] Bergerac
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Bloody BBC!
Can't even show programmes when they advertise them. Thursday's episode of
Bergerac was shown today - I know - I was at the gym at the time and saw Gareth
on the TV there and was, of course, unable to tape it.
The BBC tell me that today's epsiode was dropped as the plot would remind people
of Jill Dando's murder and it's a year since she died. At least it's a reason,
even if it isn't a terribly good one.
Judith
PS. Actually I recognised his voice before I spotted the face. Voices are more
distinctive in many ways and they change less over time.
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Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 22:23:56 +1000
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Nation (was Re: [B7L] The Incredible Gan)
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On Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 10:21:32AM +0000, Mat Shayde wrote:
> I find, from watching Nation's Blake's 7, Dr Who and Avengers episodes, that
> he's good at coming up with initial ideas and scenarios but that he isn't
> very good at developing them and needs a strong Script Editor (i.e. Chris
> Boucher) to keep him on the straight and narrow and to get the best out of
> him.
[snip]
> However Nation is also responsible for the superb Genesis of the Daleks, the
> Script Editor for which was Robert Holmes who seems to be able to inspire
> Nation to produce a great script and some superb characterisation. I think
> that Nation *needed* this sort of sounding board to push him into producing
> better scripts. Just my point of view mind you...
Or, alternatively, all the best bits were written by the Script
Editors in question. I only raise this possibility because of remarks
I seem to remember about the first-season scripts, that the
pressure-deadline was such that Chris Boucher ended up finishing, or
at least, polishing them.
And since Robert Holmes is another one of those writers good enough
for them to have been mentioned often enough that I actually recognise
his name (is he not famous for writing good Avon-Vila dialogue?), then
I suspect similar polishing could have gone on with him, too.
Another point is that Terry Nation may have written the Daleks, and
caused them to say "Exterminate!" but it was the designer who was
clever enough to make them look like pepper pots instead of robots.
If they'd looked like Gort, then no one would ever remember them.
But, to get back to the original point, Terry Nation *was* good with
the ideas. Not just Daleks and B7, but The Survivors was a good 'un
as well. I'm told that the later season(s) deteriorated, but the
concept did *start* well. (I've only seen a few episodes of The
Survivors).
K. A.
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Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 15:06:02 EDT
From: JEB31538@cs.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] RE: B7L: Help--I have a few questions
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Dragonfly asked several questions because she's a new fan.
I agree with Julia's suggestion that Redemption 2001 would be a good con to
go to. Actually, isn't it the only real B7 oriented con even scheduled in
England currently?
As for getting the 1992 videos, if you use Ebay quite often the videos
(PAL & NTSC) are for sale there. Check under Blakes 7 and Blake's 7. But
you'll have to be careful to make sure what is being advertised. Perhaps
someone on Lysator who bought the new videos has the older set and might be
willing to sell them used. In America here when we order the videos through
a video store we get the 1992 verson. You might ask at a mail order company
in England if they carry the older issue. I would imagine they do and
probably have a backlog they'd like to get rid of. There should be several
different companies you could check. I imagine Virgin is the biggest.
Welcome to Blake's 7 and Lysator, by the way. It's always neat to find new
fans in Blake's 7.
And if you're interested in the fiction part of B7, then be sure to order
some of the zines listed in the sale that Susan Beth mentioned. The prices
are good.
As for clubs, I think the best you can do is join HORIZON and AVON and they
don't have meetings. Avon publishes a newsletter twice a year. HORIZON
should be doing a newsletter soon. In 1999 they didn't manage to publish
even one newsletter, but there's hope that 2001 will bring a new regular
issue (# 40) and perhaps they'll be able to get back to two issues a year
again. (You join for four issues, no matter how long it takes them to do
them.)
The magazine SFX has free reader's ads. You could put a notice in it for
pen pals or ask for information about sci-fi clubs close to your area. Also,
you could put in a want ad for the 1992 videos. I bet you'd get some replies
if you did. Do buy an SFX and check out the reader's ads. Also, you could
write a letter to the editor which might get printed in which you ask for
information about clubs.
Check out Judith Proctor's website for lots of information and links.
http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7/index.html
Joyce Bowen JEB31538@cs.com
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Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 21:28:10 +0200
From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon and Aliens
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Ellynne G. wrote:
>Uh, let me just say that I'm more prone to thinking of Avon as a possible
>alien / not quite human type than an android ...
And in Shadow he admits that the alien Cally is more human than he. :-)
Ellynne, I love this idea.
Marian
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Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 16:16:34 EDT
From: JEB31538@cs.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Gareth clip on Randall and Hopkirk
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IF you have the right "equipment," you can watch a clip of Gareth on Randall
and Hopkirk on the web. I couldn't be bothered to download the right stuff
so I missed it, but for you more net adept folks, go to this site:
http://www.radiotimes.beeb.com/randallandhopkirk/
This will get you there eventually.
The specific url which I suppose that you can click on is
http://www.radiotimes.beeb.com/randallandhopkirk/whoisinit/star_clip_10.html
Gareth is at the bottom. Last, but not least, I am sure.
Joyce Bowen JEB31538@cs.com
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Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 14:09:50 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] First impressions: "Breakdown"
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<Either way, he clearly does care enough about his colleagues to
reject Farron's compromise proposal if it means abandoning the
Liberator crew to their deaths. So much for his professed
determination to be a loner.>
Marian wrote:
<With Kayn knowing his identity, he was no longer safe on the station,
so he really had no other choice than to return to Liberator. IMO he
would have returned anyway, but this provided him a valid selfish
reason. :-)>
Six and two threes - as Farren says, the Liberator has little choice
but to fight and neither he nor Avon seems to think they will have much
hope. Given that, the cautious thing to do would be to take Farren's offer
(and send a warning to the Liberator if he felt he had to) then deal with
Kayn when he had to (there being a rather good chance that Kayn would get
trapped on the Liberator anyway.) Avon's immediate reaction is significant -
"it was naive of me to expect you to keep your word". - Farren is right, it
*is* unfair (not that that ever worried My Hero) and illogical an emotional
rather than a reasonable reaction.
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Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 14:11:52 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Avon and Aliens
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After Carol wrote:
<The following exchange suggested to me that Avon had brought up
Cally's non-human status on occasion.>
Ellynne answered:
<My own take on this exchange is a little different. We've seen
Tarrant and Dayna turn on Cally when weird things happened and Avon
defuse the situation in Dawn of the Gods, for example. At the
beginning of this episode, Tarrant _didn't_ make any secret of
something strange happening with Cally, which Avon again defused.
<snip>
Agreed - after all, the alien had seemingly already fastened on Avon
as the main threat (he'd shown a touch too much interest in Cally's
recognition of the vehicle as a tomb, and the alien has promptly tried
to make it *his* as well.) So Cally could have been pushed by the alien's
feeling of threat, and used the excuse to turn on him (as Tarrant did in the
squabble).
And Julia wrote:
<When he first meets her, he's fascinated by her telepathy. One of the
odder (from other people's POV) habits of scientist types is their way
of treating their friends and colleagues as experimental material.>
As he does with Cally in Kairos.
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Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 14:27:49 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Backgrounds and Manners
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Dana wrote:
<I think the key here is (I think it's in Aftermath) when Dayna asks Avon
why he won't share his thoughts, and he says "Perhaps I'm shy." Although he
expects Dayna to treat this as yet another in an endless line of frivolous
remarks, it's also true.>
Interesting idea, but unless we can come up with something that explains the
lack of *physical* reserve (he is veeerrry comfortable moving into other
people's extremely personal space, or with them moving into his, something
that I can't see with a truly shy person) I have problems here.
I see Avon as simply disinterested in people as such - he can be rude to the
majority of people for his own amusement, because their feelings don't
actually interest him - *they* don't interest him to the point of *thinking*
about them as human beings. (There are of course a few - very few -
exceptions to this rule...)
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Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 18:10:40 EDT
From: RCalla6725@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Pointless observation...
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... does anyone else here use a computer at work that has a title screen of
"Novello computer system powered by Z.E.N."?
And if so are you as sad as me and think of B7 every single morning when you
see it?
Just thought I'd mention it...
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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 09:12:38 +1000
From: Jeff <joxer@bigpond.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Gareth clip on Randall and Hopkirk
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At 26/04/2000 04:16 PM -0400, Joyce wrote:
>IF you have the right "equipment," you can watch a clip of Gareth on
Randall
>and Hopkirk on the web.
http://www.radiotimes.beeb.com/randallandhopkirk/whosinit/index.html
Want to keep the Quicktime clip of Gareth? Can't save it?
Straight after viewing the clip, if your on a PC, do a search on
your hard disk for gareththomas_288[1].mov, and copy the
file out of your temporary internet folder to somewhere safe.
Jeff
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Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 15:51:01 +1000
From: "Roger the Shrubber" <powerplay@cheerful.com>
To: "blake's seven" <blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Lost technology
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In a very interesting post on lost technology,
Ellynne wrote
*****
....the emphasis on stealing the Liberator rather than being reinspired to
do
further research on the things Liberator proved were possible [we never
hear of them reopening the teleport project]).
*****
Afterlife by Tony Attwood makes some references to teleports......
A snippet .."...With the equipment Avon has and the knowledge he has of
teleport (which although virtually unparalleled is none the less limited),
it will take him around four and a half years to construct even a working
model. Then assuming that no faults are discovered in the model system it
will take a further three years to develop a full scale operating teleport"
darren r
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Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 21:09:36 -0400
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Servalan's forename [was [B7L] RE: The Incredible Gan]
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Sally wrote:
>it's Charity Servalan, remember? Or was it
>Chastity I christened her? Oh well
Still thinking of Liaisons Dangereuses, I have long believed Servalan to be
a descendant of the Marquise de Merteuil. So it would be nice if they had
the same name, except that I can't remember Laclos ever revealing what that
was. But the Clonemaster thought she was French, didn't she?
Harriet
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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 00:05:53 -0400
From: Susan Beth <susanbeth33@mindspring.com>
To: freedom-city@blakes-7.org, blake7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Zine Sale List updated
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Quick update: Fans obviously recognized a bargain when they saw it --
almost all of the zines have already been claimed. :-)
To keep people from wasting their time ordering zines that are no longer
available, here's the list of what remains. If you think you might want
some of these, I suggest you don't mull it over very long or someone faster
on the email will have snaffled them out from under you.
(As before, feel free to pass this list along.)
Please note that all replies should go to wrenmoyer@aol.com not me.
==-==-==-==-==-==-==
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 21:15:15 EDT
Subject: Revised zine list
Zines for Sale!
This is what's left of the zines I had for sale.
All items are $8 unless otherwise indicated. Buy 4 items, get the 5th free
(lowest-priced item is free). All prices include postage within the U.S.
(book rate). I'm sorry, but since I'm dealing with a very limited amount of
time, and since our (fairly rural) post office has problems handling overseas
mail, I'm not going to be able to ship zines out of the U.S.
Please send all inquiries/orders to wrenmoyer@aol.com.
PLEASE forward this to any friends or fannish mailing lists that you think
might be interested!
Red Dwarf Smegazine: Volume 2, #8 $4
Red Dwarf Smegazine: Volume 2, #3 $4
Red Dwarf Smegazine: Volume 2, #2 $4
ADULT ZINES (AGE STATEMENT NEEDED):
Straight Blakes #3 (het adult B7)
X-plicit Fantasies (X-Files slash)
Homosapien Fourplay (multimedia slash)
A Frisky Out of Water (multimedia slash; $4-small)
GENZINES:
You Pay and Pay and Pay (Due South hurt/comfort; G-R rated.)
Timelog 11 (Doctor Who)
Susan Beth
(susanbeth33@mindspring.com)
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Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 22:39:38 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
cc: Freedom City <freedom-city@blakes-7.org>
Subject: [B7L] Avon's Ultraworld Costume
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I'll be closing bidding on Saturday. Any bid sent in that's Saturday by your
local time will be accepted. (Any bid close to the deadline will be mentioned
to the current highest bidder to allow him/her to respond if they desire.)
current high bid is 850 pound.
Judith
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Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/
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Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 21:27:14 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] 'Together Again'
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'Seven' is now back from being duplicated. Sheelagh persuaded them to give her
a longer tape than normal, so it's an 80 min tape rather than a 60 min one, but
for the same price.
Once all the photos have been stuck on, they'll be ready for mailing. You can
place an order via myself or Sheelagh Wells.
See http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 for full details (I'm too sore to type it all
out again)
Judith
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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 08:59:33 GMT
From: "Mat Shayde" <dorian17@hotmail.com>
To: kat@welkin.apana.org.au, blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: Nation (was Re: [B7L] The Incredible Gan)
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Kathryn Andersen wrote
>On Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 10:21:32AM +0000, Mat Shayde wrote:
> > I find, from watching Nation's Blake's 7, Dr Who and Avengers episodes,
>that
> > he's good at coming up with initial ideas and scenarios but that he
>isn't
> > very good at developing them and needs a strong Script Editor (i.e.
>Chris
> > Boucher) to keep him on the straight and narrow and to get the best out
>of
> > him.
>
>[snip]
> > However Nation is also responsible for the superb Genesis of the Daleks,
>the
> > Script Editor for which was Robert Holmes who seems to be able to
>inspire
> > Nation to produce a great script and some superb characterisation. I
>think
> > that Nation *needed* this sort of sounding board to push him into
>producing
> > better scripts. Just my point of view mind you...
>
>Or, alternatively, all the best bits were written by the Script
>Editors in question. I only raise this possibility because of remarks
>I seem to remember about the first-season scripts, that the
>pressure-deadline was such that Chris Boucher ended up finishing, or
>at least, polishing them.
Yeah, that's the other alternative. In fact it's probably the most likely
one, I was trying to be charitable. :)
I seem to recall (although memory might be cheating) Boucher once saying
that after Terry Nation had seen the first few episodes of Blake's 7 he
asked Terry what he thought and Terry replied "It's very good, I just wish
I'd had something to do with it."
>And since Robert Holmes is another one of those writers good enough
>for them to have been mentioned often enough that I actually recognise
>his name (is he not famous for writing good Avon-Vila dialogue?), then
>I suspect similar polishing could have gone on with him, too.
Robert Holmes is very good at writing dialogue for two characters and so
Avon and Vila were a gift for him. A lot of his Dr Who scripts have a
character pair in them who have sharp dialogue and good interaction. It's a
sort of trademark of his.
>Another point is that Terry Nation may have written the Daleks, and
>caused them to say "Exterminate!" but it was the designer who was
>clever enough to make them look like pepper pots instead of robots.
>If they'd looked like Gort, then no one would ever remember them.
True, I'm not denying that. I always feel rather sorry for Raymond Cusick -
Nation made a fortune out of the Daleks and Cusick, who was responsible for
their distinctive design, got nothing. However my point was only really
about the way the Daleks act. In early Nation scripts and in stories my
Whitaker and Aaronovitch the Daleks act, they interact, they plot and plan,
they have dialogue. Whereas in Nation's weaker Dalek scripts they are just
like tanks - no really 'personality' (for want of a better word.) or
interest, they could be any robots with guns.
Dorian - "You mean you're here by choice?"
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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 20:43:16 +1000
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>,
JMDG James Morrison Discussion Group List <jmdg@egroups.com>
Subject: [B7L] links to page
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Just a quick note to say that if you have links which are pointing to
my connexus page (or sub-pages thereof, such as the B7 page),
you may wish to change them to replace the
home.connnexus.net.au with www.foobox.net
I decided to get a redirection service - not that I'm planning on
moving, but it's nice to have, just in case.
The official email address for Refractions is now
zines@foobox.net
But, no I'm not changing any of my mailing list subscriptions - too
much hassle, since I would end up posting from a different address.
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