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blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 122
Today's Topics:
[B7L] Zines/trade or sell
[B7L] Zines/trade or sell
Re: [B7L] Zines/trade or sell
[B7L] Re: Avon and Aliens
[B7L] Zines/trade or sell
[B7L] Bounty trivia
Re: [B7L] Re: Avon and Aliens
[B7L] Beta readers needed
Re: [B7L] Bounty trivia
[B7L] Crunch time
[B7L] Bounty (yawn)
[B7L] Well, brother...
[B7L] Avon's nastiness
[B7L] (was about ethnicity and discrimination)
[B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #118
[B7L] Vila's non-machoness
Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #118
[B7L] Sand and Vila
Re: [B7L] Re: Avon and Aliens
Re: [B7L] Bounty trivia
[B7L] RE: Avon
[B7L] Final Four
[B7L] zines
[B7L] Horizon News on Gareth
Re: [B7L] Strangerers
Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #118
[B7L] Avon and Aliens
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Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 22:35:15 EDT
From: CaveatEmpter@aol.com
To: freedom-city@blakes-7.org, blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Zines/trade or sell
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Hi
Would anyone be interested in buying or trading some used zines?
The list below is some zines I'm selling for a former fan.
I am looking for some zines and would like to buy or trade if anyone
has the one's I'm looking for.
The zines I'm looking for are:
LONE STAR published by Pony Press
DESPERADO (a good copy with the color cover)
MIRAGE (a good copy with the color cover)
MIND OF A MAN part 1 (an original in good condition-not a xerox copy)
A COMPANION FOR MY DEATH
The Dark Between the Stars Vol 1
Also, can anyone tell me if FIRE & ICE VI is out yet, and if it is, where I
can buy it. I would appreciate any help.
ZINES FOR SALE:
Slash zines:
RISK (edited by Tashery Shannon) B7 & Wiseguy $5.00
Magnificent Tails - $5.00
Magnificent Tails Too - $5.00
Liberator Dreams - $4.00
Southern Seven #3 - $7.00 (Ashton Press)
Southern Seven #9 - $8.00 (Ashton Press)
Southern Comfort 5.5 - $6.00 (Ashton Press)
Southern Comfort 7.5 - $6.00 (Ashton Press)
Southern Comfort 10.5 - $4.00 (Ashton Press)
Southern Comfort 11.5 - $4.00 (Ashton Press)
Slash Novels:
The Long Way Back (A/B) PGP - $5.00
Careless Whispers (A/B) PGP - $6.00
Puppeteer by Bryn Lantry - $3.00
Gen Novels:
Beloved Adversary by Sondra Sweigman (A-B) $4.00
The Other Side of the Coin $2.00
The Cost of the Cheeseboard $2.00
RECLAIMED (a PGP novel-299pages) by Susan Rotellini - $5.00
The Epic ("Defects of Loneliness") by Catherine Knowles (S1 122pages) -
$4.00
The Quibell Abduction by Lillian Shepherd (A-C adventure) - $5.00
Never Glad Confident Morning by Judith Seaman - $2.00 PGP
NEW HORIZONS by Leigh Arnold (part 1-12) PGP - $10.00
Gen zines:
ZEN and the Art of Rebellion - $3.00
Raising Hell 6 (Good B-A) - $4.00
Magnificent Seven - $4.00
The Dark Between the Stars Volume 3 - $5.00
The Dark Between the Stars Volume 2 - $5.00
Threads Through Infinity - $4.00
Star One - $2.00 (Judith Proctor editor)
Star Two - $2.00 (Judith Proctor editor)
Blakes Doubles #1 - $3.00
Stadler Link - $3.00
AVON-The Paul Darrow Society Special - $12.00
Ennarre 9 (Multimedia-B7, Sapphire & Steel, Dr. Who, B5) - $5.00
Ennarre 3 (Multimedia-B7, UFO, Sapphire & Stell) - $5.00
Thanks, Courtney
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Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 00:27:10 EDT
From: CaveatEmpter@aol.com
To: freedom-city@blakes-7.org, blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Zines/trade or sell
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I've just been reminded that I should have stated that the prices on the
zines do not include postage.
Thanks, Courtney ;)
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Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 14:40:14 +1000
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Zines/trade or sell
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On Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 10:35:15PM -0400, CaveatEmpter@aol.com wrote:
> ZINES FOR SALE:
> Slash zines:
[snip]
> Southern Seven #3 - $7.00 (Ashton Press)
> Southern Seven #9 - $8.00 (Ashton Press)
But Southern Seven isn't slash...
> Gen zines:
[snip]
> Ennarre 9 (Multimedia-B7, Sapphire & Steel, Dr. Who, B5) - $5.00
> Ennarre 3 (Multimedia-B7, UFO, Sapphire & Stell) - $5.00
Are you sure you've got the right issue there? #3 didn't have any
Sapphire & Steel. And #4 didn't have any UFO.
You can check the contents at the Enarrare' page
http://www.foobox.net/~zines/enarrare
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Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe
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Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 02:12:33 -0400
From: "Dana Shilling" <dshilling@worldnet.att.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: Avon and Aliens
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Although I think Ellyne G.'s conjecture about Avon's alien or
not-quite-human quality is intriguing, I look at it a little differently.
Avon is a self-hating human being, in the same way that Alexander Portnoy is
a self-hating Jew and the characters in "The Boys in the Band" are
self-hating homosexuals. Not that hating yourself does anything to shift you
into a category that you find more acceptable.
Also, the unique "racquetball" style of blocking B7 shows (everybody face
the front wall and fight for the center), by reducing eye contact among
actors, also accentuates any non-human tendencies found among characters.
-(Y)
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Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 02:16:27 EDT
From: CaveatEmpter@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Zines/trade or sell
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In a message dated 4/28/00 10:29:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
kat@welkin.apana.org.au writes:
On Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 10:35:15PM -0400, CaveatEmpter@aol.com wrote:
> ZINES FOR SALE:
> Slash zines:
[snip]
> Southern Seven #3 - $7.00 (Ashton Press)
> Southern Seven #9 - $8.00 (Ashton Press)
But Southern Seven isn't slash... >>
Sorry...I haven't read these. I'm selling them for someone else. They have
LOG OF THE HELLBOUND in them and I had been told this is a slash series, so I
thought the zine was slash.
> Gen zines:
[snip]
> Enarrare 3 (Multimedia-B7, UFO, Sapphire & Steel) - $5.00
Are you sure you've got the right issue there? #3 didn't have any
Sapphire & Steel. And #4 didn't have any UFO.
>>
Sorry again...it's actually Enarrare 8. When I first looked at the backwards
E on the cover I saw it as a 3.
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Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 13:30:19 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
cc: Freedom City <freedom-city@blakes-7.org>
Subject: [B7L] Bounty trivia
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Terry Nation originally turned in a script for Bounty that was waaay too short.
Chris Boucher, the script editor, had to do a lot of work in the first season,
but Bounty probably has more of him than any other episode.
In essence, the time pressures meant that Terry could either work on the next
script or do the rewrites on the current one. So, he moved onto the next one,
and Chris did the rewrites and brought them up to length.
If I recall correctly, Tyce wasn't even in the original script!
The records Sarkoff plays (identified by Neil Faulkner) are Tommy Steele
'Singing the Blues' and Kathleen Ferrier 'Blow the Wind Southerly' (and are of
course mentined in the Sevencyclopaedia).
The whole scene in which Sarkoff is playing the latter record was introduced to
bring the episode up to the required length (and I'm impressed by TP McKenna's
acting - the scene does not feel like a fill-in)
The stunt girl standing in for Cally was badly injured jumping off the wall of
the folly. (I think her name was Jan too)
The folly really does have that funny structure on top - it isn't a CGI add on.
(the location of the folly is somewhere on my web site)
Gareth tells horror stories of climbing that wall with a hangover from the night
before. I've a vague memory that one of the coping stones came off the wall
while they were climbing it!
Judith
PS. Anecdotes told by the cast of filming this and other episodes can be heard
on Sheelagh Wells's tapes. See http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 for details.
--
http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs,
pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth
Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.nas.com/~lknight )
Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/
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Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 15:18:53 +0200
From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Avon and Aliens
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Dana Shilling wrote:
>Avon is a self-hating human being, in the same way that Alexander Portnoy
is
>a self-hating Jew and the characters in "The Boys in the Band" are
>self-hating homosexuals.
Avon hating himself? How our views of him differ! :-) To me he seems very
content with himself, in fact so content that he doesn't need the company of
others.
WARNING - CONTROVERSIAL STATEMENT:
I can't see Avon as very damaged, obsessed, shy, dysfunctional or such like.
In my view he's a clever, intelligent, self-confident, resourceful and
before all *practical* man, who just gets a kick out of annoying everyone
around him. In other words, he simply enjoys being rude. To him it's a
kind of hobby, providing pleasure as well as satisfaction. :-)
One of the reasons I consider him to be a born aristocrat is because he
gives the impression of someone who has experienced from his earliest
childhood that he can get away with being as obnoxious as he likes.
Marian
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Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 14:44:11 +0100
From: "Ariana" <ariana@ndirect.co.uk>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Beta readers needed
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I'm writing a B7 crossover with the new Randall and Hopkirk, and I need some
beta readers. Not just for typos and such, but also to keep an eye on the B7
stuff and most of all, to tell me if it's funny! It's set in the R&H
universe, so the idea is to put plenty of in-jokes and references in there.
Three parts so far, and I'm probably about halfway through the story.
Let me know if anyone is interested.
Ariana
http://www.alpha.ndirect.co.uk
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Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 09:46:42 EDT
From: RCalla6725@aol.com
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se (Lysator List)
Subject: Re: [B7L] Bounty trivia
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In a message dated 29/04/00 13:34:05 GMT Daylight Time, Judith@blakes-7.com
writes:
<< The folly really does have that funny structure on top - it isn't a CGI
add on. >>
Thanks for all the information, Judith, I really appreciated that mail, as I
know little of the behind-the-scenes info.
I did have to smile at that line, though - the idea that ANY scene in Blake's
7 has a CGI add-on is inconcievable. Still, at least the liberator was a
model this week and not the cartoon version.
A better episode this week I think, and you're right, it didn't feel too
rewritten. What is generally conceded to be the best episode of the first
season? Personally I don't think any have been as good as "The Way Back".
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Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 14:51:20 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Crunch time
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Hi all,
Resubbing very briefly to pass on this message.
It seems the Beeb will be making a decision this week about whether or not
to carry on transmitting B7. Ratings have, apparently, dropped from just
under 2 million to 700,000.
Of course, we all know that this is because they keep buggering around with
the schedule, but when did a commonsense argument count for anything?
If B7 is taken off-air, this could have ramifications for future projects
such as the movie. Do ring in and let your feelings on the matter be known.
Una
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Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 15:56:25 +0200
From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Bounty (yawn)
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Just been watching the BBC's repeat of Bounty. It's nice to see Jenna
giving the instructions and Avon carrying them out. It's even nicer to see
her deal with those Amagons. For the rest I found it awfully dull. A bore
like Sarkoff being able to win a presidential election makes you wonder what
the rest of the candidates were like. :-)
A pity this is still S1 and guest stars are allowed to survive. It would
have been fun to have seen Sarkoff and the insufferable Tyce being vaporised
in space. But we don't see them land on Lindor, so maybe Jenna miss-set the
co-ordinates and that is just what happened. It would explain that
determined smile on her face when she teleports them. :-)
Marian
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Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 17:08:01 +0200
From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Well, brother...
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During a night watch aboard Liberator, the following message is secretly
transmitted:
Well, brother, I told you I would get away - if not exactly as I had in
mind. That life rocket had more holes in it than a spider's web.
Apparently the Federation considers its warders as expendable as its
prisoners. By the way, you were right about the suppressants: boiling the
water neutralises them. And thanks to your information it was easy to avoid
the treated foodstuffs.
So I had to adapt my plan. Gaining access to the computer room and
disabling the ship seemed the best alternative. Not a one-man job but help
was at hand. You'll never guess who our most famous passenger was. Roj
Blake. Remember him, the dissident who so ardently denounced his Cause?
Yes, of course they'd brainwashed him. It seems to have worn off -
apparently they caught him rebelling again, didn't want to make a martyr of
him and decided to ship him off to C.A.
I decided to leave things to him - just made sure he knew about my skills.
Finding his way into the computer room took him longer than I expected but
he came there in the end. The delay was no problem, as we could not move
before we were well out into space anyway.
Blake had the sense to recruit a pilot, a smuggler called Jenna who'd given
the Federation the run for years. He found some other fools to follow him
as well. An eager young dissident, a giant killer with his brains in his
muscles, and a Delta-grade kleptomaniac.
I'll spare you the details but Blake and his bungling acolytes managed to
fail grandiosely, taking me along in their fall. I was preparing myself for
summary execution when fate for once saw fit to favour me, providing me with
the most sophisticated spaceship you've ever seen. Unfortunately, it landed
me with Blake and the pilot too.
Blake considers himself in command of the craft, a delusion I've not yet
managed to cure him from. The pilot's not going to be of any help, she
seems cursed with a soft spot for flat-faced, curly-haired, single-minded
idealists.
Blake decided that he needed a crew, and went to C.A. - of all places - to
enlist them. He seems under the illusion that criminals will make good
freedom fighters, which makes him about as bright as his followers. As it
turned out, he managed to recruit only two: the killer dummy and the Delta
thief. Well, at least I'm spared the eager youngster.
Now Blake has an attack planned and I'll have to go along simply to keep an
eye on him. No, brother, I'm not telling you where. I know this
frequency's safe and our code unbreakable, but I don't want to burden that
conscience of yours. I imagine they'll suppress all information, but
perhaps you'll be hearing rumours about it from your wife's exalted
relatives.
Well, brother, this is all for now. I'll contact you again, if Blake
doesn't manage to get us all killed before then.
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Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 09:22:26 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Avon's nastiness
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>
> > I would not use the word 'nasty' myself, but he's definitely (and
> > probably
> > deliberately) forgotten most of the things he was taught as a child
> > about
> > 'if you can't say anything nice...'
>
> Surely you jest. I think Avon got patted on the head every time he left
> some one in verbally sliced ribbons (all right, maybe it was just him
> giving himself a pat on the back. It still means one of the few people
> he thought highly of was reinforcing this behavior).
>
> Ellynne
I'm seeing it now... in keeping with the 'public school' background.
Boys can be such awful creatures (girls can,too, of course). The weak
tend to become targets. If Blake and Avon had been in the same school,
things might have been different-- Roj Blake would have been popular for
all the best reasons and prevented the bullying of boys who were
smaller, younger, or just different.
In Avon's school, however, there was no such leader, and who can doubt
that narrow-shoulder adult Avon was a skinny kid? So, to prevent himself
being the target, he befriended a clique by amusing them with his
scathing wit turned against teachers, officials, and of course, weaker
boys outside the clique. Once he was accepted, his masterful putdowns
enabled him to make sure his 'friends' never lost their respect for
him... in one moment he could get the whole group laughing at the one
who'd tried to intimidate him.
For all this, he still probably got beat up once in a while. Still, he
knew his barbed tongue generally saved him instead of getting him in
trouble.
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Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 09:29:37 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] (was about ethnicity and discrimination)
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> Then there's the way she's never used sexiness to get what
> she wants from an opponent, unlike Jenna. Or Servalan. Or Anna. Or
> .... but back to the point.
Oh, continue! I don't recall Cally pulling out a vamp act... so I
presume you were going to end with Avon and Tarrant? They both seem to
trust their pretty smiles to be useful in negotiations from time to
time.
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Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 09:34:28 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #118
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> The following exchange suggested to me that Avon had brought up Cally's
> non-human status on occasion. Hence Cally's response in the following:
>
> AVON: Try a straight question.
> CALLY: You didn't trust me. You thought I had some obscure
> reaction to something on that ship, didn't you? You
> and I teleported so that you could watch me and see
> what I'd do. You cut Tarrant out because he had the
> same idea, but he'd made no secret of it.
> AVON: You're over-reacting.
> CALLY: Probably. But you wouldn't expect a normal human
> response, would you? I'm not quite human.
>
> Carol McOr, I think, that *she* is very touchy about it. She's a non-human telepath, she's sucseptable to outside influences, she doesn't bele=ieve she's under a dangerous influence now, but is aware of her vulnerablilty and her friends' awareness of her vulnerability. She's the 'weak link' in this regard and doesn't like it, so she gets defensive. He didn't have to say anything.
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Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 09:37:11 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Vila's non-machoness
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>
> It's bugging me too Jacqueline - Vila isn't effeminate, (not that there's
> anything wrong with being effeminate) he's just not a macho moron.
>
> There *is* a mid-point between macho and effeminate that the vast majority
> of men inhabit. As I have said in a previous post, Vila has always struck me
> as being the most reall charcter simply because he does get frightened, he
> does admit to feeling pain, he reacts in a way that I imagine I would react
> if I were thrust into some of teh situations that he is. (No matter how much
> I might like to kid myself into believing that I would react with Avon's icy
> sardonic calm, I know I'd just get scared, as I suspect, would most people.)
>
I felt that the Sand showed it's lack of intelligence choosing Avon over
Vila. Vila shows a lot more interest in sex than Avon.
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Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 13:44:47 -0600
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #118
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On Sat, 29 Apr 2000 09:34:28 -0700 Helen Krummenacker
I think, that *she* is very touchy about it. She's a
> non-human telepath, she's sucseptable to outside influences, she
> doesn't bele=ieve she's under a dangerous influence now, but is
> aware of her vulnerablilty and her friends' awareness of her
> vulnerability. She's the 'weak link' in this regard and doesn't like
> it, so she gets defensive. He didn't have to say anything.
>
Good points. It reminds me, Cally getting attacked / taken over by
hostile telepaths gets done a lot. OTOH, it would be nice to see some
stories emphasizing the other side of this. For any telepath attacking
the Liberator, she has special vulnerabilities, but she's also the
biggest threat. Of course they go after her first.
Ellynne
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Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 13:21:45 -0600
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Sand and Vila
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Sorry, I'm getting good at accidentally deleting the letters I mean to
reply to this week. Then I follow it up by realizing I don't know who to
credit with the idea I'm replying to. Hopefully, everyone else is doing
better than me and will know who gets credit.
Vila and Sand: Yes, Vila has shown a stronger interest in trying to
strike up a relationship with almost every female he meets. Also, Avon
gives indications of not only being pickier but of having a strong
monogamous streak compared to Vila, whose comment about 100 maidens
implies he doesn't the meaning of the word.
OTOH, the sand was able to get Tarrant cozy with Servalan. Granted, this
is Tarrant, but this is _Servalan_ and she did kill his brother. More
importantly, the sand was apparently able to effect Servalan to the point
that she got cozy with Tarrant and let him make contact with the others
when it could have easily gotten her killed. The sand was also
apparently able to get _Orac_ babbling about love. It may have
considered itself up to the challenge of getting one man permanently
trapped in an enclosed space with two women up to a point where he was at
least admitting an interest in them.
Didn't know him very well, did it? Being forced into prolonged,
inescapable contact with people doesn't do much to mellow him, especially
when he has no control over the situation.
Ellynne
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Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 16:52:19 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Avon and Aliens
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Marian wrote:
> WARNING - CONTROVERSIAL STATEMENT:
Coo er gosh this sound omminus...
>
> I can't see Avon as very damaged, obsessed, shy, dysfunctional or such
like.
> In my view he's a clever, intelligent, self-confident, resourceful and
> before all *practical* man, who just gets a kick out of annoying everyone
> around him. In other words, he simply enjoys being rude. To him it's a
> kind of hobby, providing pleasure as well as satisfaction. :-)
Yayyyy!! Yippeee!!!! Hup-hup-hurrah (ect).
I would go further and suggest that he likes people to be equally blunt with
him. Sort of, "I can dish it out, can you?" And if they can, they're well
on the way to earning his respect.
Neil
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Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 17:07:42 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Bounty trivia
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Judith wrote:
> The records Sarkoff plays (identified by Neil Faulkner) are Tommy Steele
> 'Singing the Blues' and Kathleen Ferrier 'Blow the Wind Southerly' (and
are of
> course mentined in the Sevencyclopaedia).
Credit where credit is due, they were actually identified by my mum.
> The whole scene in which Sarkoff is playing the latter record was
introduced to
> bring the episode up to the required length (and I'm impressed by TP
McKenna's
> acting - the scene does not feel like a fill-in)
No, it just feels slow. Like the rest of the episode.
> The folly really does have that funny structure on top - it isn't a CGI
add on.
> (the location of the folly is somewhere on my web site)
It's Quex Park, Birchington, Kent, less than 5 miles from my front door.
I've pedalled past it dozens of times. You can imagine my amazement when,
as a tender 14-year old, I saw it featured on my favourite TV show. A
couple of years later the estate fell within my Kent Winter Bird Census
area, so if they'd made B7 a couple of years later I might have stumbled
across them filming.
The folly is viewable from the B2049 Margate-Acol road (it's actually called
Shottendane Road, if you're ever in the area), but you can see the funny
structure (it's a particularly good example of Regency ironwork) from quite
a distance. The Quex estate is private, unfortunately. The folly is a bell
tower cum mausoleum for the Powell-Cotton family, and it used to be open to
the public in summer, but I don't think it is any longer. But it's worth
dropping in on the Powell-Cotton museum of natural history/ethnology, just
for the cracking collection of stuffed animals.
There is a motor museum somewhere in Ramsgate, and I keep meaning to drop
along some time and see if Sarkoff's automobile is in their collection.
Does anyone on the Lyst know how you might go about tracing a vintage car?
Reg number is RT 277.
Neil
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Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 16:04:59 EDT
From: RCalla6725@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se (b7)
Subject: [B7L] RE: Avon
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In a message dated 29/04/00 21:00:39 GMT Daylight Time, N.Faulkner@tesco.net
writes:
<< I would go further and suggest that he likes people to be equally blunt
with
him. Sort of, "I can dish it out, can you?" And if they can, they're well
on the way to earning his respect. >>
Too true - did you notice all the smiles he gave Blake this week when Blake
had his fair share of Vila put-downs?
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Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 18:05:46 -0400
From: "Dana Shilling" <dshilling@worldnet.att.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Final Four
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According to the TV section, this week the series finale of "Party of Five"
(a Generation Z soap opera) will be shown. At first I wondered how they
would kill off the characters (house is caught in brush fire? psychotic
gunman at McDonald's)? until I realized that, in America, it is considered
impolite to kill off all your characters while your series commits suicide.
I watched the last four episodes over the last couple of days. It really
highlights Hitchcock's distinction between surprise (which he defined as a
bunch of guys playing cards when a bomb goes off) and suspense (when you see
someone plant the bomb and watch the unsuspecting card players as it ticks
away). I was really upset, watching them and knowing that they had only a
few more episodes left to live.
Yes, I know that the PGP output is now up to the millions of words. But it
reminds me of the Vincent Crummles Theatrical Company in Nicholas Nickleby,
with their happy-ending version of Romeo & Juliet (entire surviving company
gathers in Capulet tomb to mourn; Juliet pops up saying, "Actually, I'm not
dead," Romeo chirps in with "I'm not dead either" and Tybalt with "Me
neither.")
Re: Orbit--gosh ORAC sure is the chair-AI of the Vila fan club, isn't it?
(Avon's pronoun on this point is good enough for me.) This is the second
time he suggests to Avon that Vila is a waste of space, or at least weight.
(Good thing Cally wasn't there--even throwing her out the airlock wouldn't
save 70 kg.)
Re: Warlord/Blake--annoying as Tarrant is in Warlord, nothing in his life so
became him as the leaving of it. It seems as though he didn't hate Avon
anywhere near as much as Avon hated him. And horrible as the consequences
were, it's hard to blame him for failing to grasp Blake's convoluted
recruitment scheme.
-(Y)
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Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 18:09:11 EDT
From: CaveatEmpter@aol.com
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Thank you everyone who's helped with my zine search.
I've now found most of what I'm looking for. The only one I'm still looking
for is DESPERADO.
If anyone has a good copy of that one that they'd be willing to sell, please
let me know.
Thanks, Courtney
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Thank you everyone who's helped with my zine search.
I've now found most of what I'm looking for. The only one I'm still looking
for is DESPERADO.
If anyone has a good copy of that one that they'd be willing to sell, please
let me know.
Thanks, Courtney
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Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 18:17:21 EDT
From: Mac4781@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se, freedom-city@blakes-7.org
Subject: [B7L] Horizon News on Gareth
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Horizon asked me to pass along the following.
News from Horizon:
Gareth Thomas is the Guest at Manchester’s FAB CAFÉ on Tuesday 9th
May for "An Audience with Gareth Thomas", starting 8pm, in which Gareth
talks about his role as Blake in 'Blake's 7' and his long and fascinating
career.
Diane Gies has tickets for this event - any fan who would like one (or
more)should send an SAE to her at 18 Holt Road, North Wembley, Middx. HAO
3PS and say how many tickets you want. With only just over a week until the
event, if you want to check there are still tickets available, you can email
her at diane@horizon.org.uk or phone 020 8904 5588 to make sure before you
book your train ticket!!
The event is free to ticket holders. You don't have to be a Horizon member
to attend - all are welcome.
FAB Cafe is the UK's first Cult TV & Movie theme bar/restaurant, and is
situated at 111 Portland Street, Manchester (not far from the station.) It's
run by 3 amazingly nice guys - Steve, Mike & Paul, and is filled with TV
screens so you can watch your favourite Cult TV show, with SF photos &
models filling every spare space in the cafe. It's a marvellous place to
visit if you're ever in Manchester.
To find out more about them, visit their website at www.fabcafe.co.uk
Carol Mc
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Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 18:53:00 -0400
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Strangerers
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Debbie wrote:
>I missed the last episode (I think) of the Strangerers
>due to a power cut which messed up the timer on the
>video. The last ep I saw was where the baldy headed
>burst fiend was about to fire the g bomb and then it
> said to be continued.
If you mean when they were all gathered on the road near the space ship, I
thought that was the last episode? I assumed that "to be continued" meant
another series. But maybe I got muddled, as I missed odd episodes.
Harriet
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Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 07:33:03 +1000
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #118
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On Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 01:44:47PM -0600, Ellynne G. wrote:
>
> Good points. It reminds me, Cally getting attacked / taken over by
> hostile telepaths gets done a lot. OTOH, it would be nice to see some
> stories emphasizing the other side of this. For any telepath attacking
> the Liberator, she has special vulnerabilities, but she's also the
> biggest threat. Of course they go after her first.
Well, to be fair, that's what the situation in Shadow was about - the
alien entity that took over Orac (hey, it was Orac who got taken
over!) then attacked Cally for that very reason, and it was *she* who
defeated it, with the help of the Moon Disks.
It's interesting how the "rule of three" applies to Cally. People
refer to her as "constantly" being taken over, while it only happened
three times: The Web (where Jenna was taken over too), Sarcophagus,
and Ultraworld. Note that Jenna and Blake have been "taken over" by
things exactly once, so people don't hold it against them. Jenna, as
I said, in The Web, and Blake in Voice From The Past, where it's old
brainwashing that does him in.
Kathryn Andersen
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Cally: So what is it?
Orac: Clearly, some occurrence which is a real or apparent threat.
Jenna: Thank you, Orac. I'm sure we'd have never worked that out for
ourselves.
(Blake's 7: Weapon [B3])
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Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 00:26:04 EDT
From: CaveatEmpter@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Avon and Aliens
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<< Marian wrote:
> I can't see Avon as very damaged, obsessed, shy, dysfunctional or such
like.In my view he's a clever, intelligent, self-confident, resourceful and
before all *practical* man, who just gets a kick out of annoying everyone
around him. In other words, he simply enjoys being rude. To him it's a kind
of hobby, providing pleasure as well as satisfaction. :-) >>
<<IN.Faulkner@tesco.net writes:
> Yayyyy!! Yippeee!!!! Hup-hup-hurrah (ect).
I would go further and suggest that he likes people to be equally blunt with
him. Sort of, "I can dish it out, can you?" And if they can, they're well
on the way to earning his respect. >>
OMIGOSH!!! Be still my heart! Not one but TWO people who actually see Avon
as I do!!!!
Marian, you're so right. Avon loves baiting people. And I love watching him
do it. My favorite example of this is the way he has everyone jumping thru
hoops in "Trial" -- there was no way he was even considering leaving Blake on
that planet, but it was great fun watching him make the others think he would.
Neil has hit on one of the defining aspects of Avon's personality. He
doesn't care about liking people; he doesn't care if people like him. But
respect and acknowledement for intellect and skill go a long way with Avon.
He expects to receive it from others, but he is thrilled when he finds
someone worthy of his (though he would be loathe to express it).
Courtney
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