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blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 149
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L] Funnel Teaser
Re: [B7L] Ultraworld
Re: [B7L] Funnel?
Re: [B7L] Funnel?
Re: [B7L] Funnel Teaser
Re: [B7L] Orbit
Re: [B7L] Funnel Teaser
Re: [B7L] Sarcophagus (was Titles Say It All?)
Re: [B7L] Sarcophagus (was Titles Say It All?)
Re: [B7L] Funnel Teaser
[B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #145
[B7L] Josette Simon on BBC2 tonight
Re: [B7L] Sarcophagus (was Titles Say It All?)
Re: [B7L] Re: reviews/ages/SCHOOL & stuff
Re: [B7L] Terminal (was Sarcophagus)
[B7L] review: Together Again - Seven
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Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 16:58:52 -0600
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
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On Wed, 31 May 2000 21:46:47 +0100 "Andrew Ellis"
<Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com> writes:
>
> Steve replied...>
> >The funnel refers to the "Tachyon Funnel", a weapon created by
> Egrorian in
> >the episode "Orbit". Tachyon's are, to quote Avon, "Theoretical
> particles
> >that travel faster than the speed of light." Although in this
> episode,
> they
> >are no longer theoretical.
>
OK, I'll ask the obvious. If tachyons were _theoretical_ particles going
faster than the speed of light, what did B7 people call all the 'real'
particles going faster than the speed of light? And, no, "ships" is not
an acceptable answer.
Ellynne
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Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 19:44:21 -0400
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
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Subject: Re: [B7L] Ultraworld
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Marian wrote:
>I find his character most convincing as
>the ruthless, backstabbing Federation
>Officer in Powerplay and I think it's a pity
>the writers didn't stick to that.
I presume that was how the character was originally planned. I think the
ambiguous Tarrant of Powerplay has enormous potential, and if he'd
continued in that vein I'd be leading chants for the Tarrant Nostra even
now.
Harriet
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Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 20:39:56 -0400
From: "Dana Shilling" <dshilling@worldnet.att.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Funnel?
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There was an ad for a company called Tachyon Systems in the current issue of
Interactive Week. The tachyon is obviously the elementary particle
represented in the costumes...
-(Y)
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Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 11:17:01 EST
From: "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
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>From: "Dana Shilling" <dshilling@worldnet.att.net>
>There was an ad for a company called Tachyon Systems in the current issue
>of
>Interactive Week. The tachyon is obviously the elementary particle
>represented in the costumes...
At least as early as Deathwatch, possibly earlier...
Regards
Joanne
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Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 22:01:46 -0400
From: "Christine+Steve" <cgorman@idirect.com>
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Ellynne G. wrote
> OK, I'll ask the obvious. If tachyons were _theoretical_ particles going
> faster than the speed of light, what did B7 people call all the 'real'
> particles going faster than the speed of light? And, no, "ships" is not
> an acceptable answer.
Well, at the time of Orbit, the tachyons were real. Actually, I've no idea
if they had science that took them past the speed of light. Was the
Liberator warp capable? I know they refer it as time-distort factors, but
is that the same thing as travelling faster than light?
Steve Dobson.
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Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 23:47:04 EDT
From: Pherber@aol.com
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In a message dated 5/28/00 12:00:04 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
averelst@yucom.be writes:
> Does anyone have an idea why - instead of going through all the trouble of
> getting rid of all the unnecessary weight in the shuttle - Avon and Villa
> don't just use the tachyon funnel to blow up the planet? After all, if the
> planet would be gone, the gravity problem would be gone too...
I agree with the other responses that using the tachyon funnel was not a
feasible solution. It probably would have put Scorpio at risk too.
I've always thought that it would have been more logical to return to the
surface, but not necessarily to Egrorian's complex. In any sort of aircraft,
if you determine that you're in trouble like that, practically the *first*
thing you do is figure out what you have to do to get back to the ground in
one piece! If they hadn't wasted so much time and fuel, they should have
been able to get the shuttle down safely. IMHO, that's a rule that
*especially* the most inexperienced pilots should stick to. I could
understand Jenna or Tarrant trying to tough it out, but not Avon - he knows
his limitations as a pilot.
It also has always bugged me that Avon (and Orac, too) seem to completely
ignore the process of logical deduction in identifying the problem! They had
already made a safe trip to Scorpio and back to the planet in the *same*
shuttle, so obviously something had been added while they were on the ground.
Once they'd dumped the obvious possibility (the tachyon funnel) and found
that they were still overweight, I just don't buy that Avon would resort
directly to stripping out parts that were basic to the ship instead of
spending more time looking for something that *wasn't* an integral part of
the ship and *hadn't* been there earlier.
OTOH, this is one episode where I can actually *believe* that Avon's gone
'round the twist, while he's hunting Vila. His expression as he takes out
the gun is uncharacteristic and very scary. Through most of season 4, I
think his behaviour is entirely explainable as a reaction to the increasing
level of stress he's under. But when he decides that he has to kill Vila to
survive himself, it's like part of him 'switches off' in order to allow him
to actually do it.
Nina
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Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 22:46:41 -0700
From: Nick Moffitt <nick@zork.net>
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begin Christine+Steve quotation:
> Well, at the time of Orbit, the tachyons were real. Actually, I've
> no idea if they had science that took them past the speed of light.
> Was the Liberator warp capable? I know they refer it as
> time-distort factors, but is that the same thing as travelling
> faster than light?
AVON: Negative hyperspace.
BLAKE: You mean we crossed the anti-matter interface?
JENNA: That's impossible.
AVON: That's what they said about the light barrier.
[Cygnus Alpha]
That is the only evidence I ever found that they travelled at
superluminal speeds. Sure, their ETAs seem to be rather short at
gettting from star system to star system, but that is possible at
subluminal speeds.
You see, it is often held as fact that Alpha Centauri (The nearest
star to our own) is four light-years away. The assumption is that the
shortest trip to Centauri is four Earth years long.
However, we also must remember the story of the twins, one of whom
goes travelling around at relativistic speeds. The one on Earth ages
faster (in a mythical sort of absolute time), while the one travelling
at incredible speeds experiences time in a different way.
So relative time dialation means that the trip to Centauri would
APPEAR FROM EARTH to take four years, while the occupants of the craft
may experience far less. Relative time dialation occurs even at
subluminal relativistic speeds. It is possible that this is what is
meant by "time distort". However, the time scales in the series don't
really match up to that.
The only thing that seems to travel faster than light is their
communications and detectors. In Hostage, Avon sends a message to the
federation telling them travis's whereabouts. The message takes mere
minutes or hours to reach federation command. The distances were
doubtless longer than one light-hour, which isn't very much space at
all, in terms of astrogation.
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Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 02:43:06 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [B7L] Sarcophagus (was Titles Say It All?)
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After I wrote re Tarrant:
<Don't see why he should feel frustrated - he got to thump Avon within
twenty minutes of *meeting* him, *and* then claim it was for Avon's own
good.>
Ellynne wrote:
<Tarrant suffers from what someone called "testosterone poisoning." He has
a constant need to assert his place in the pack. Thumping Avon for his own
good was fine, but what had he done to assert himself _lately_?>
Ummm ... well, he got to half-strangle Avon in 'Dawn', and to lecture him a
couple of times on team-spirit (his odd attempts to crowbar said
team-spiritedness into Avon's brain are quite endearing) and made Avon call
him 'sir' in Rumours ... OTOH there's 'City' where his version of asserting
himself ended up backfiring rather dauntingly ...
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Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 05:03:02 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
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After I also wrote (re Cally, this time):
<I can't help wondering if she was still angry and unforgiving when she
died...>
Ellynne answered:
<I think Cally was usually too forgiving for her own good, so I can't quite
see this. I also think the reasons Avon had done this, to find Blake while
keeping the others out of what he recognized was a probable trap, was the
kind of thing to make her let bygones be bygones.>
Could be (we've no evidence either way) though it appears that she had very
little *time* to forgive. Not that it's clear how *much* time there is
between the end of Terminal and the start of Rescue, but I get the feeling
there isn't very much.
Although - taking the whole of 3rd season into consideration - Cally seems
to me to have given up on finding Blake, she *was* close to him, and
Servalan's 'news' would have rocked her as well, so it's more than possible
she was not in any mood to *be* immediately reasonable and forgiving (and
remember what she calls out as she dies - she could still be focused on that
loss). It's speculation, yes (speculation is *fun*) but I just think the
idea of dumping Avon and the others (but especially My Darling) with that
extra fillip of angst is interesting.
'Tis interesting that it's *Tarrant*, the one that Avon has treated like
dirt right through this episode, who shows no resentment at all, but then,
Tarrant had just lost his brother, and he was the only crew member (as I saw
it?) in a position to see Avon's face when Servalan made that little
announcement ...
<Of course, I don't think she died there (I'm actually a bit more certain of
it than most PGP scenarios I come up with. She had too many unresolved plot
elements), so it's not an issue.>
Well, *I* certainly can't deny you *that* right, seeing the number of times
I have jumped up and down and insisted that Avon and *Blake* survive <g>
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Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 18:15:44 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Funnel Teaser
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On Tue 30 May, Nick Moffitt wrote:
>
> So relative time dialation means that the trip to Centauri would
> APPEAR FROM EARTH to take four years, while the occupants of the craft
> may experience far less. Relative time dialation occurs even at
> subluminal relativistic speeds. It is possible that this is what is
> meant by "time distort". However, the time scales in the series don't
> really match up to that.
Indeed. Anna Grant remained behind on Earth. If Liberator had travelled at
relativistic speeds, Avon would have returned to find her an extreemly old woman
or dead for many years.
Ergo they went faster than light.
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Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 10:09:25 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
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> *grin* Am I the only one who actually likes Ultraworld? Some great model
> shots of the Liberator, the zombie like workers, Avon struggling to stay
> awake and Vila and Orac saving the day. I tend to watch this episode quite
> regularly.
>
> Steve Dobson
I liked it, too. What about the make-up job? They certainly looked more
alienesque than many humanoid aliens on the show.
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Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 19:02:39 +0100
From: Nicola Collie <nicola@dunedinite.free-online.co.uk>
To: Freedom City <freedom-city@blakes-7.org>, Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Josette Simon on BBC2 tonight
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UK-resident fans may be interested to know that tonight's 'Reputations'
documentary, about boxer Joe Louis, is narrated by Josette Simon.
The documentary screens on BBC2 and 9pm tonight (Tuesday 30 May).
Nicola
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Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 11:57:44 -0600
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
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On Tue, 30 May 2000 05:03:02 PDT "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
writes:
>
> Could be (we've no evidence either way) though it appears that she
> had very
> little *time* to forgive [on Terminal]. Not that it's clear how *much*
time there
> is
> between the end of Terminal and the start of Rescue, but I get the
> feeling
> there isn't very much.
>
> Although - taking the whole of 3rd season into consideration - Cally
> seems
> to me to have given up on finding Blake, she *was* close to him, and
>
> Servalan's 'news' would have rocked her as well, so it's more than
> possible
> she was not in any mood to *be* immediately reasonable and forgiving
> (and
> remember what she calls out as she dies - she could still be focused
> on that
> loss). It's speculation, yes (speculation is *fun*) but I just think
> the
> idea of dumping Avon and the others (but especially My Darling) with
> that
> extra fillip of angst is interesting.
Well, I'm perfectly willing to believe Avon thought Cally died without
forgiving him and that he thought her death cry reflected any range of
things he could take badly. Add to that his knowing that it was his
failure at Terminal that (he thinks) got her killed, plus knowing she
_was_ in love with him (or having reasonable ground to convince himself
of this after [and he'd want to just because it would give him more
guilt]) and he had never done anything about it (contradictory with the
"Blake!" cry, but I have never noticed Avon to be logical if it would
make him feel less miserable).
Actually, there might be more potential angst here than over the whole
Anna Grant thing.
Ellynne
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Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 08:29:03 +0100
From: "Julie Horner" <jihorner@dial.pipex.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: reviews/ages/SCHOOL & stuff
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From: "Nic Mayer" <phuzt@csv.warwick.ac.uk>
> I've also been lurking for a bit. To read the messages, right click on it,
> then press the details tab, click on message source, and it will all be
> there.
Oh hurrah Nic and thankyou!! Finally I can read the messages
sent by Nick Moffit.
Julie Horner
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Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 14:30:02 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
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Ellynne wrote:
<I have never noticed Avon to be logical if it would make him feel less
miserable).>
<gurgle> One has to agree ... one of the things I love about Avon (there
*are* rather a lot of them) is that streak of deepest, purest illogicality
that makes such glorious hay of his normal rational mode.
<Actually, there might be more potential angst here than over the whole Anna
Grant thing.>
Yes, the problem with the Big Romance of the Series is that we only see them
together in one scene in one episode, and while there is lots of angst,
there's not much chemistry between the two actors (IMHO). Even if I don't
see the Avon-Cally romantic thing (friends, yes. Anything more, sorry), they
do have a far more *real* connection that we've watched on screen, and he
does care about her, a lot.
Notwithstanding that I do think he is - in some ways - closer to and more
comfortable with Vila - I have to say Cally is the *only* other one of the
entire Liberator/Scorpio crews I can even imagine him going to Terminal for
(and I'm still dubious, but with Cally there is that maybe).
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Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 00:43:45 +0200
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] review: Together Again - Seven
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Yes, Judith, you can have it for the website.
_Together Again - Seven_
The seventh in the Together Again series, and another wonderful
collection of anecdotes and laughs. This time around it's special
effects man Jim Francis and writer/script editor Chris Boucher joining
Gareth and Paul. More tales of budget woes, and more tales of Vere
Lorrimer's enthusiasm for action over plot:-)
I found Chris Boucher fascinating to listen to, not least because he is
less diplomatic than most of the previous guests... Once again, this
series of interviews is a delight for anyone interested in the "behind
the scenes" aspect of the series. Chris has much to say on the writing
side, including a quiet complaint that nobody ever goes up to the writer
and says, "That was a wonderful script." He needs to see the "Boucher is
god" conversations on the Lyst, it would make him feel a lot happier.
Jim Francis has some interesting things to say about the special
effects, including confirmation of a certain actor's inability to so
much as look at a prop without breaking it.
Gareth and Paul are, well, Gareth and Paul. Some interesting comments
from Gareth about Blake, particularly what he says about trying to show
the flaws in the man, rather than playing a perfect hero. Ditto from
Paul about Avon. There's also hard news from Paul about the proposed
film, and it's good to hear the facts rather than speculation.
And to top it off, this tape is ten minutes longer than the earlier
tapes - and not a minute of it wasted. A "must buy" as far as I'm
concerned.
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