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blakes7-d Digest				Volume 00 : Issue 153

Today's Topics:
	 Re: [B7L] Orbit
	 Re: [B7L] Harvest of Kairos (more)
	 [B7L] Quiz
	 [B7L] Re: Terminal (was Sarcophagus)
	 Fwd: Re: [B7L] Terminal (was Sarcophagus)
	 Re: [B7L] Harvest of Kairos
	 Re: [B7L] War Wounds
	 Re: [B7L] Harvest of Kairos
	 [B7L] More log entries
	 Re: [B7L] Harvest of Kairos
	 Re: [B7L] War wounds
	 [B7L] Harvest of Kairos
	 [B7L] Fw: Paul McGann in Big Finish Audios!
	 [B7L] Re: Terminal (was Sarcophagus)
	 Fwd: Re: [B7L] Terminal (was Sarcophagus)
	 [B7L] More log entries
	 Re: Fwd: Re: [B7L] Terminal (was Sarcophagus)
	 Fwd: [B7L] War wounds
	 Re: [B7L] Harvest of Kairos
	 Re: [B7L] Harvest of Kairos
	 Re: [B7L] Harvest of Kairos
	 [B7L] Walt's words
	 [B7L] Watford
	 Re: [B7L] Harvest of Kairos

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Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 20:50:32 -0600
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Orbit
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On Fri, 02 Jun 2000 06:02:15 -0700 mistral@ptinet.net writes:
> Too bad Orac can't send my e-mail, perhaps he'd send it the right 
> place. Sorry, Steve. 
> 
> Steve Dobson wrote:
> 
> > Servalan's main concern was Orac, but in the episode Egrorian 
> reveals that
> > Orac was virtually indestructable.
> 
> <sigh> Not only is Orac too useful to destroy, he's too difficult to
> destroy. Pity they never learned to use him properly.
>
Been thinking about this.  How often did Orac get his circuits fried? 
True, Avon repaired him, but given the fact some of us suspect he could
build a spaceworthy ship out of stone knives and bearskins, I'm not sure
if that means anybody else could (with the proven exception of Dorian who
was, shall we say, a little unusual).  Then there are those bombs, or
whatever they were, Avon planted in him.

I think what really happened is that Egrorian, who was a little
unbalanced to begin with and who's had plenty of time to let his
delusions of how great he is compared to everyone else get _really_ out
of hand without anything resembling a reality check, put together his
'perfect' plan.  Then Servalan asks about what will survive the crash.

Egrorian comes up with his answer, while silently thinking, "Dang, knew I
forgot something.  And Pindar kept getting after me to invent
seatbelts....  I'll have to blame this on him."

Ellynne
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Date:   Sat, 3 Jun 2000 19:29:18 +0200
From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
To: <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Harvest of Kairos (more)
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Adding to my previous comments, I forgot to mention that gaffe about Tarrant
being on the Kairopan-run fifteen years earlier, which means that he must
have embarked on his Space Captain training when he was still in the cradle.
:-)  Or maybe he's older than he looks.  He could have had a face lift, of
course, or maybe his face was damaged in an accident and the plastic surgeon
decided to give him a younger appearance.  Now *that* would explain why he's
so frustrated about Avon not taking him seriously and treating him like he's
a recalcitrant youngster. :-)

Keeping in mind that the character was meant to be much older, I think it a
pity the producers changed their minds.  No disrespect to Steven Pacey, who
did a wonderful job portraying Tarrant, but he simply looks much too young
and fresh faced (even innocent, as soon as he discards that Federation
uniform and stops stabbing troopers in the back) to have achieved all that
the character is supposed to have.

Marian

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Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 18:44:39 +0100
From: Steve Rogerson <steve.rogerson@mcr1.poptel.org.uk>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Quiz
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What do the Xena episode The Black Wolf and the Blake's 7 episode Space
Fall have in common. Answer in next digest.

--
cheers
Steve Rogerson
http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson

Redemption: The Blake's 7 and Babylon 5 convention
23-25 February 2001, Ashford, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption

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Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 12:33:24 -0600 (MDT)
From: Betty Ragan <bragan@aoc.nrao.edu>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Terminal (was Sarcophagus)
Message-Id: <200006031833.MAA23296@zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU>

Hi, all!  I've been a regular poster over on the Other List for quite
some time, but I've mostly just been lurking here, and I figured it
was high time I finally quit lurking and joined in...

Sally Manton [Hi, Sally!] wrote:

> But I still don't think Avon would've gone to Terminal for Vila's
> sake ...

I agree, and I think it probably has a lot to do with the fact that he
knows Vila wouldn't go to Terminal for *him*.  (Well, not on his own
initiative, anyway.)  Blake would, absolutely no doubt about it.
Cally would.  But I can't see Vila by himself voluntarily walking into
an almost-certain trap to rescue Avon, and I don't imagine Avon would
see it, either.  (Yes, he does go back into the booby-trapped base to
rescue Tarrant, but that doesn't feel like quite the same thing.)

--
Betty Ragan  **  bragan@nrao.edu  **  http://www.aoc.nrao.edu/~bragan
Not speaking for my employers, officially or otherwise.
"Seeing a rotten picture for the special effects is like eating a
tough steak for the smothered onions..." -- Isaac Asimov

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Date: Sat Jun  3 19:43:21 BST 2000
From: Ika <blake@gaudaprime.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Fwd: Re: [B7L] Terminal (was Sarcophagus)
Message-Id: <200006031848.TAA19589@ns4.uk2net.com>

> Ellyne said -
> 
> 
> Let me rephrase that. Avon is probably changed hugely and dramatically by
> Anna's first 'death' - when he thinks she dies during their escape. The
> whole Avon personality of seasons 1-3 is influenced by that trauma I
> suppose.
> 
> But of the two deaths in season 3, Cally's is associated with a bigger
> change in personality. After RoD Avon is perhaps slightly mellowed if
> anything. After terminal he changes very dramatically to become the series 4
> 'was he mad' Avon.

I've always associated the post-Terminal change (I love the phrase "was he mad" 
Avon, btw) with the death of *Blake*, rather than Cally. (I know Avon later 
says he didn't believe Servalan when she said he was dead, but I don't believe 
that for an instant - can justify this, at least to myself, if required - just 
think for the moment of his face when she says it). Also Avon says of Blake 
"his death and mine would be linked in some way..." - He never wanted to 
survive Blake. I do feel that in S4 Avon is being driven insane by the need to 
*be* Blake, in some way. He is far more a leader of the crew in S4 than in S3, 
where he is constantly being outvoted, and I think the pressure of having to 
carry on for Blake, without having Blake's idealistic blindness to the doomed-
ness of the struggle, is what changes him after Terminal. 

Ika

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Date: Sat Jun  3 20:07:43 BST 2000
From: Ika <blake@gaudaprime.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Harvest of Kairos
Message-Id: <200006031912.UAA19722@ns4.uk2net.com>

> Jessica asked:
> >Does anyone agree with me that there was something very odd about the
> episode, the harvest of kairos. A few days ago I vaguely remember someone
> (sorry, I don't remember who it was) saying that the episode didn't feel
> right and I'd have to agree perhapes in part owing to the characters acting
> strangely ie Avon and his pet rock, Cally standing by and watching Dayna
> fight without any suggestion of helping etc.  I'm not sure, it just seemed
> odd.<
> 
> Absolutely.  They're all out of character (something that irritates me much
> more than all that macho nonsense).  I can imagine Avon being intrigued by
> that Sopron, but not to the point of disregarding his own safety and that of
> Liberator.  At that time Tarrant hasn't yet had any chance to demonstrate
> his worth as a pilot, therefore at the first hint of trouble you'd expect
> Avon to come rushing to the flight deck to see how he's going to handle
> things.
> 
> And why do Servalan and Jarvik assume that *Tarrant* is in charge of the
> Liberator?  They can't know that Avon's got obsessed by a lump of rock to
> the point of becoming suicidal. :-)  That's the biggest plot hole IMO, pure
> bad writing.  (But I love that cute big spider. ;-) )

Ahhhh, another chance to air my pet theory! In a lot of ways I am starting to 
think Tarrant *is* in charge of the Liberator in S3 - check the number of times 
he votes against Avon's plans and everyone goes along with him. (I was trying 
to write some S3 fanfic and checked the beginnings of all the episodes to see 
what the Lib. crew thought they were doing - usually they are just sitting 
about playing board games when they get sucked into a black hole/see Federation 
ships/etc. In this context I think it does make sense that Avon would just go 
off and croon to his pet rock, since they have no objective whatsoever in 
Series 3 - at least post-Volcano and pre-Terminal).

Love
Ika

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Date: Sat Jun  3 20:12:30 BST 2000
From: Ika <blake@gaudaprime.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] War Wounds
Message-Id: <200006031917.UAA19746@ns4.uk2net.com>

> From: Dana Shilling <dshilling@worldnet.att.net>
> > For the various weapons shown in the series,
> >what exactly happens when someone gets shot by one of them? (Well, I can
> >figure out "stun.")
> 

For medical stuff for fanfic writers, my housemate has just got a fab book in a 
series called "Howdunit" (for writers - check the creative writing section in 
your local bookshop, or bookstore, depending on where you live) called 
something like "Serious Injury" which tells you everything you need to know for 
plot-related injury which makes sense. (The science-fiction bit, however, means 
as far as I'm concerned you can just make it all
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Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 16:53:00 -0400
From: "Christine+Steve" <cgorman@idirect.com>
To: <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Harvest of Kairos
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Marian de Haan wrote :

> At that time Tarrant hasn't yet had any chance to demonstrate
> his worth as a pilot, therefore at the first hint of trouble you'd expect
> Avon to come rushing to the flight deck to see how he's going to handle
> things.

Well, I'm not sure about this, do we know the real time period between each
episode?  Without any time log, it could have been months between Volcano
and Harvest for example, and Avon may have seen how good a pilot Tarrant
was.

But there are still a lot of holes in the characterizations.  Was this Ben
Steed's first episode as writer?

Steve Dobson.

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Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 14:14:40 -0600
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] More log entries
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Vila's Dawn of the Gods Entry:

Vila's log, stardate ten-four - No, wait.  Carry the five....  Hmm, I
didn't think stardates had that many numbers....  Oh, right, that's a
fraction.  OK, multiply - Blast, now, it's a negative number.

Oh, never mind.  Vila's log, Thursday, March 13th.

All I can say is don't blame me.  I _told_ them never to let Orac drive. 
It's always they same, "Oh, I know a short cut," "Oh, this side trip will
just take a minute, no problem," or, like today, "Oh, the tourist
brochure said there's this really unusual black hole over here.  What say
we just make a little detour and see it?"  Or that's what he would say if
he ever asked, which he never does.

It was just a mess.  Naturally, with Orac driving, the ship got stranded
by the side of the road (although the System never thought about seat
belts, Avon did try to break out some protective gear.  Naturally,
Tarrant chose right then to start having combat flashbacks, go beserk,
and started yelling something incoherent about everyone dying together. 
If he's ever unarmed and rational, I'll have to ask him about that [come
to think of it, since Tarrant was the only survivor we picked up from his
ship after the war, maybe I don't want to know]).

So, we landed and, naturally, I'm the one who gets sent out to change the
flat tire and all that.  We met some locals who we thought might give us
a hand.  What a laugh.  Their response to a broken ship was to offer to
buy it.  Cheap.  Some people are just vultures.

[log entry ends]

[log entry resumes]

Sorry about that.  Cally came in and gave me one of her speeches about
most people being good and decent if you give them a chance.  She says
it's all a matter of attitude.  If you expect good from people, you
usually get it back.  Then Avon came in.  They're still 'discussing' it
but Avon said he could prove his point with some data from Orac, so now
they're a few decks away downloading history files.  I can't even hear
them.  Almost.  I think Avon must be winning.  Even Cally has to realize
this is a pretty ridiculous idea.

Anyhow, we all got dragged off to jail and slave labor except for Cally,
who was taken off to have tea with the ruler of the planet after about a
five second conversation, when he fell in love with her.  I gather he
offered to make her queen of the universe and get her friends out of hard
labor, but Cally (naturally) turned him down.  She has strong feelings
about dating ethics and wouldn't compromise them for something as minor
as getting her friends an early release from prison, oh, no.  So, we had
to blow up the planet instead.  She _did_ help with that.  A little.

She wouldn't marry the Evil Overlord, but I'm not sure if she didn't give
him her phone number or something.  She got awfully vague when we asked
about him.  Dayna says that probably just means she had to shoot him when
he got fresh (and Dayna should know about these things [although all I
did was ask her out for dinner and a movie.  Honest]), but I don't know.

Anyhow, Avon had a long talk with Orac, told him he was grounded, and
that he couldn't drive the spaceship again for a month.  He also
cancelled his allowance.  No more breaking into the Federation banking
system till Avon says.

He always lets him off easy.  _I_ never get away with stuff like that. 
If the ship were crashing because of me, Avon would toss me off so I hit
the ground first.  AND cancel my allowance.

Which reminds me.  I've been a really good boy since that accident on
Obsidian.  I wonder if I can have my lock picks back....

Ellynne
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Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 08:51:44 EST
From: "Jessica Taylor" <morgaine54@hotmail.com>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Harvest of Kairos
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>From: "Christine+Steve" <cgorman@idirect.com>
>To: <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
>Subject: Re: [B7L] Harvest of Kairos
>Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 16:53:00 -0400
>
>Marian de Haan and Steve Dobson wrote :
>
> > At that time Tarrant hasn't yet had any chance to demonstrate
> > his worth as a pilot, therefore at the first hint of trouble you'd 
>expect
> > Avon to come rushing to the flight deck to see how he's going to handle
> > things.
>
>Well, I'm not sure about this, do we know the real time period between each
>episode?  Without any time log, it could have been months between Volcano
>and Harvest for example, and Avon may have seen how good a pilot Tarrant
>was.

I still don't think that Avon would have been content to sit back and ignore 
the situation while the walls shook around him. I think if there had been 
any chance of Avons life or the ship at risk he would have been up on the 
flight deck regardless of how good a pilot was flying her.

Jessica





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Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 01:23:52 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] War wounds
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Nick wrote:
< Laser beams travel in reasonably straight lines, and have no
recoil.  You can use a low-powered laser to target and then just up
the power for your shot.  Blammo, the red dot becomes a red hole.

 The accuracy comes from the fact that it actually is more
accurate!  No dodging hocus-pocus involved!>

A dodging target might move a fair distance while you're upping the power.
Ultimately it all comes down to whether you're pointing the gun in exactly
the right direction or not, which is not necessarily easy in the heat of
battle.

Neil

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Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 20:09:37 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Harvest of Kairos
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Jessica wrote:
<Does anyone agree with me that there was something very odd about the  
episode, the harvest of kairos.>

I'm actually very fond of Kairos. Yes, yes, I know it's rather silly (on one 
of the Together Again tapes, PD names it as his *least* favourite, even over 
Animals) and the plot has more holes that Aunt Edna's hairnet, but Avon 
doing his single-minded scientist bit is rather gorgeous and there's several 
rather nice moments (Tarrant grinding his teeth and keeping his temper, and 
Avon so blissfully unaware that he's driving the boy up the wall; Vila and 
Dayna shooting down that ship and hugging afterwards, like two children who 
'got it right'. And that bit where they're all tense and keyed up, and 
Avon's rock blows up).

With Avon, I think that (having made up his mind that they aren't going to 
find Blake) he's looking for something to fill the rather enormous hole 
Fearless Leader and the Cause left. In both Volcano and Dawn, he's (IMHO) 
bored and discouraged - yes, he wanted the Liberator, but quite *why* or 
*what for* is something he hadn't thought about, but the Sopron offers him a 
chance to exercise his intellect, a puzzle, and some way to escape thinking 
about his real problems of dealing with the others. He's trying very hard to 
*ignore* the fact that the problems he had when Blake was around haven't 
gone away just because *Blake* has (be careful what you wish for ...)

And I do think that he's trying to push technical leadership of the others 
(but not of himself, nor defacto ownership of the ship, oh nononono) onto 
Tarrant, who, in Avon's and Vila's opinion at least, has been talking up his 
own sterling qualities.

Witness his refusal to even give an opinion - "If it's tactical counsel you 
want, Tarrant, I suggest you consult Zen." (Oh dear oh dear - can you 
imagine him saying something like this to Fearless Leader???) At this stage, 
Avon wants Tarrant to take care of the boring work of fighting the 
Federation and *leave him alone*.

Cally seems rather muzzy this whole episode (going off with Avon to research 
the Sopron in the middle of a battle) so maybe she's suffering some 
unexplained side-effects from the DOTG business? Or she *also* thinks that 
Tarrant's been talking too much and can simply handle it all himself ... I 
don't know.

And Marian wrote:
<And why do Servalan and Jarvik assume that *Tarrant* is in charge of the 
Liberator?>

Servalan showed in Aftermath that whatever information she had on Avon's 
personality was dubious, to say the least. But what she *does* know is that 
he followed Blake - a amateur revolutionary and self-elected commander - for 
two years (she doesn't know about the - errmmm - less-than-quietly-willing 
way he did it, just that he *did*). Given that both she and Jarvik are in 
the military (therefore having no *idea* what running a crew of self-willed 
criminals entails, just as Tarrant has none), and that they know Tarrant was 
an extremely promising military high-flyer before his desertion, they'd 
probably automatically think he would be the obvious choice for leader.

*My* biggest plot-hole is why the hell Dayna didn't teleport Servalan into 
space (a la Vargas) at the end. Servalan couldn't possibly have known what 
the teleport settings were, so it was a god-given chance ...


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Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 21:10:09 -0500
From: "Reuben Herfindahl" <reuben@reuben.net>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Fw: Paul McGann in Big Finish Audios!
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Gareth Thomas finally makes the Who crossover.  Very exciting!

Reuben
http://www.reuben.net/blake/
http://www.reuben.net/drwho/


> >Subject: [DoctorWhoAudio] Full details on McGann Audios
> >
> >Hi there... just joined the group.  Thought I'd post the following
> >details as being all the latest scoop on the audio McGann stories
> >from the Doctor Who News Page (my site,
> >http://www.gallifreyone.com).  (There was an earlier posting today
> >with info, but I just updated it further...)
> >
> >The Eighth Doctor Returns to Doctor Who: Actor Paul McGann, who
> >played the Eighth Doctor in the 1996 Doctor Who TV movie (and whose
> >only subsequent return to the Who fold was to read stories for an
> >audio release, "Earth and Beyond") has taped four audio plays for Big
> >Finish, reprising his role as the Doctor. McGann taped the four
> >stories on 15-19 May in sequence after extensive negotiations with
> >Big Finish and did so in secrecy until the story was sent to Doctor
> >Who Magazine for their exclusive release in the June issue. Joining
> >McGann for his return visit is actress India Fisher (who has a guest
> >shot in the upcoming "Winter for the Adept"), playing the new role of
> >companion Charlotte "Charley" Pollard, a 1930's teenager teenager
> >from 1930 who stows away aboard the R101 airship on its maiden
> >voyage, seeking a life of adventure away from the humdrum society
> >world of her rich stockbroker father. Says Gary Russell: "Her only
> >soapbox is that she's a Mrs. Pankhurst fan, but she isn't obsessive
> >about it. And although she thinks the Doctor is a wonderful, funny,
> >dear man, she has no romantic feelings for him!" Also making a return
> >visit is Nicholas Courtney as Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart. Details
> >on the four stories are below.
> >
> >Gareth Thomas, who starred for two years as the title character in
> >TV's "Blake's 7" (and returned twice in later seasons), guest stars
> >in "Storm Warning" as Lord Tamworth.
> >
> >The Cybermen are back in the Doctor Who fold, returning for "Sword of
> >Orion," the February 2001 audio play.
> >
> >Nicholas Courtney returns for a second guest shot as Brigadier
> >Lethbridge-Stewart in "Minuet in Hell," completing the circle and
> >making Courtney the only actor in Who history to star opposite all
> >nine television Doctors (the first seven, McGann, and Richard
> >Hurndall in "The Five Doctors")
> >
> >Actor Michael Sheard, who appeared in many Doctor Who stories
> >including "Pyramids of Mars," "Remembrance of the Daleks" and "The
> >Mind of Evil," is a confirmed guest for the forthcoming "The Stones
> >of Venice" as Count Orsino.
> >
> >The stories:
> >
> >* "Storm Warning" (January 2001): Written by Alan Barnes (editor of
> >Doctor Who Magazine), directed by Gary Russell. Paul McGann returns
> >to Doctor Who in the first of four stories as the Eighth Doctor; also
> >introducing India Fisher as Charlotte "Charley" Pollard and guest
> >starring Gareth Thomas ("Blake's 7") as Lord Tamworth. "After a
> >dangerous encounter in the space/time vortex, the Doctor finds
> >himself on Earth, October 1930. Or rather above it, aboard the
> >British airship R101 on it's maiden voyage over France. Also on board
> >is a young stowaway, Charlotte 'Charley' Pollard, seeking adventure
> >and excitement away from her stifling family atmosphere. What Charley
> >doesnąt know but the Doctor does is that the flight is destined to
> >end in tragedy, although no-one really knows why. Not even the
> >Doctor, although maybe the passenger in Cabin 43 can help..." Also
> >starring Nicholas Pegg (Frayling), Barnaby Edwards (Rathbone), Hylton
> >Collins (Chief Steward Weeks), and Helen Goldwyn (Triskelion). Set
> >around an airship disappearance in 1930.
> >
> >* "Sword of Orion" (February 2001): Written and directed by Nicholas
> >Briggs. Stars Paul McGann and India Fisher as the Eighth Doctor and
> >Charley. The Cybermen are back, hiding aboard an abandoned freighter
> >in space, being sought by less than honest scrap merchants. But what
> >is Captain Deeva Jansen's involvement and why does the Orion war
> >suddenly seem so perilously close... Also starring Michelle
> >Livingstone (Deeva), Bruce Montague (Grash), Helen Goldwyn (Chev),
> >Ian Marr (Ike), Hylton Collins (Vol), Toby Longworth (Kelsey).
> >
> >* "The Stones of Venice" (March 2001): Written by Paul Magrs,
> >directed by Gary Russell. Stars Paul McGann and India Fisher as the
> >Eighth Doctor and Charley, with guest star Michael Sheard as Count
> >Orsino. The Doctor and Charley become embroiled in the decadent court
> >of a tired Duke and his search for his beloved wife. The curse of the
> >long since dead Duchess has finally come to pass and the enchanted
> >city of Venice is sinking beneath the canals. Originally submitted to
> >BF as a Fifth Doctor/Nyssa story. Also starring Nick Scovell
> >(Churchwell), Barnaby Edwards (Pietro), Elaine Ives-Cameron (Ms.
> >Lavish), Mark Gatiss (Vincenzo).
> >
> >* "Minuet in Hell" (April 2001): Written by Alan W. Lear and Gary
> >Russell, directed by Nicholas Briggs. Stars Paul McGann and India
> >Fisher as the Eighth Doctor and Charley, with special guest star
> >Nicholas Courtney as Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart. The twenty-first
> >century has just begun, and the newly-formed state of Malebolgia is
> >seceding from the rest of the United States of America. After his
> >successful involvement with Scotland's devolution, Brigadier Alistair
> >Gordon Lethbridge-Stewart has been invited over to Malebolgia to
> >offer some expertise. However, there's someone held in a lunatic
> >asylum who interests him, someone who believes he travels through
> >space and time in the TARDIS. It is not, however, his old friend the
> >Doctor... Also stars Robert Jezek (Brigham Elisha Dashwood), Helen
> >Goldwyn (Becky Lee), Maureen Oakeley (Dr. Dale Pargeter) and Nicholas
> >Briggs (Gideon Crane).
> >

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Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 20:10:22 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Terminal (was Sarcophagus)
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Hi, Betty ... nice to see you here as well.
After I wrote:
<But I still don't think Avon would've gone to Terminal for Vila's sake ...>

Betty wrote:
<I agree, and I think it probably has a lot to do with the fact that he 
knows Vila wouldn't go to Terminal for *him*.

It's an interesting (if slightly malicious) game, this - given that Terminal 
was fairly obviously a trap, to the point where Avon (IMHO) doesn't believe 
he has much chance of surviving it - if you put any of the others into his 
shoes, what would they have done, or who would they have done it for? 
Basically, who are they prepared to die for?

Again IMHO only ...

Gan, Blake, Cally and Tarrant would have gone to Terminal for any of their 
crew-mates, no question. Gan and Blake would quite possibly have done it for 
just about any innocent bystander as well.

Vila and Soolin wouldn't have done it for *any* of the others (not with 
those odds staring them in the face). I like Soolin and love Vilakins, but 
neither of them strikes me as even slightly the self-sacrificing sort.

Dayna, I think would have for Avon, probably for Cally, Tarrant and Soolin - 
but I really doubt that she would be prepared to die for Vila. Her contempt 
for him, while sometimes tinged with derisive amusement,  is too real.

Jenna - maybe Blake. And that's a big maybe. No one else (even if Breakdown 
indicates a willingness to risk a *lot* for Gan).

Avon - Blake, definitely (we *saw* it) and a slim chance on Cally (but as I 
said, I'm dubious.) None of the rest, not even Vila.

Actually, for such a self-serving lot, this isn't a bad percentage ...

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Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 20:10:59 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Fwd: Re: [B7L] Terminal (was Sarcophagus)
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Ika wrote (hi, Ika, and welcome) :
<I've always associated the post-Terminal change (I love the phrase "was he 
mad" Avon, btw) with the death of *Blake*, rather than Cally.>

Well, yes, me too (the others will tell you I'm rather biased on this 
point), but IMO it was the three losses, all in the space of (probably) one 
day that did it. Learning of Blake's death - after pushing himself through 
3rd season to accept the probability, basically giving up all hope, then 
being given *back* that hope - and even seeing what he thought was Blake - 
was the worst blow.

And in another post:
<Ahhhh, another chance to air my pet theory!>

You only have one?!? I have a whole zoo full ...

<In a lot of ways I am starting to think Tarrant *is* in charge of the 
Liberator in S3 - check the number of times he votes against Avon's plans 
and everyone goes along with him.>

<gurgle> why do you think that Avon decided that democracy wasn't a good 
idea after all? Once he got sick of being out-voted, the whole idea went out 
the window with startling speed (and to be honest, I think if they'd still 
be voting at the start of Terminal, more people than Tarrant might have 
gotten a gun pointed at them. Just to help them decide, you understand.)


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Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 20:12:21 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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<Vila's Dawn of the Gods Entry:>

Oh thank you thank you thank you!!! This was just what I had in mind 
(thinks: though the fact that this makes more sense and is far more 
entertaining than the actual *script* is a worry ...)

<She wouldn't marry the Evil Overlord, but I'm not sure if she didn't give 
him her phone number or something.  She got awfully vague when we asked 
about him.  Dayna says that probably just means she had to shoot him when he 
got fresh (and Dayna should know about these things [although all I did was 
ask her out for dinner and a movie.  Honest]), but I don't know.>

<choke>  Yes ... maybe *that's* why Tarrant was so - errr - unenthusiastic 
in Ultraworld. He remembered the time he made a mild pass and Dayna promised 
to replace all his teeth with tiny explosives (what Tarrant didn't 
understand was this sort of harmless banter was the way a well-brought-up 
Sarranese girl indicated her interest in a boy, usually adding a couple of 
friendly thumps or Chinese sunburns for emphasis.)


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Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 21:37:54 -0600
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [B7L] Terminal (was Sarcophagus)
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On Sat, 03 Jun 2000 20:10:59 PDT "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
writes:
> Ika wrote (hi, Ika, and welcome) :
>
> And in another post:
> <Ahhhh, another chance to air my pet theory!>
> 
> You only have one?!? I have a whole zoo full ...

Sudden mental picture: 
Person A: The pet theory's escaped from its cage!

Person B: [snapping whip] Back, pet theory! Back!  Back!

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Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 00:39:42 EDT
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>  Nick wrote:
>  < Laser beams travel in reasonably straight lines, and have no
>  recoil.  You can use a low-powered laser to target and then just up
>  the power for your shot.  Blammo, the red dot becomes a red hole.
>  
>   The accuracy comes from the fact that it actually is more
>  accurate!  No dodging hocus-pocus involved!>
>  
Neil's response
>  A dodging target might move a fair distance while you're upping the power.
>  Ultimately it all comes down to whether you're pointing the gun in exactly
>  the right direction or not, which is not necessarily easy in the heat of
>  battle.
>  
Which brought up my question.  Is it then possible for a laser weapon to work 
as an automatic weapon on rapid fire or all of the shots single fire only?

Trish
SCHOOL

"Auron may be different, Cally, but on Earth it is considered ill-mannered
to kill your friends while committing suicide."

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Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 18:09:52 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Harvest of Kairos
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On Sat 03 Jun, Marian de Haan wrote:

> And why do Servalan and Jarvik assume that *Tarrant* is in charge of the
> Liberator?  They can't know that Avon's got obsessed by a lump of rock to
> the point of becoming suicidal. :-)  That's the biggest plot hole IMO, pure
> bad writing.  (But I love that cute big spider. ;-) )

Because Tarrant was written as a man in his mid thirties and was supposed to be
an experienced space captain with a reputation.

I imagine the scripts were written before Steven Pacey was cast.

But the episode has even bigger plot holes when you start to think carefully
about that lunar module.

Judith

PS.  The spider was christened Brian <grin>.
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Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 00:05:03 -0700
From: Nick Moffitt <nick@zork.net>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Harvest of Kairos
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begin  Judith Proctor quotation:
> But the episode has even bigger plot holes when you start to think
> carefully about that lunar module.

	Yes, like, why were the landing shocks still there when they
took off?  The lunar module ditched the prop assembly on takeoff.

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Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 13:05:33 +0100
From: "Isobel Gordon" <isobel@ussenterprise.ndo.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Harvest of Kairos
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Sally wrote:

> *My* biggest plot-hole is why the hell Dayna didn't teleport Servalan into
> space (a la Vargas) at the end. Servalan couldn't possibly have known what
> the teleport settings were, so it was a god-given chance ...

I think because that would just be too easy.  I get the impression Dayna
doesn't want Servalan to die that quickly.  Ok, being unprotected in space
is nasty and messy, but Dayna doesn't actually get to enjoy her death....

Izzy

(Hi all, I'm a lurking newbie BTW)

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Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 15:22:43 +0100
From: "Alison Page" <alison@alisonpage.demon.co.uk>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Walt's words
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This is an extract from 'I sing the body electric' by Walt Whitman, which is
the top American poem ever IMHO. What amazes me is that old Walt could write
stuff like this in the Victorian era, and not get into trouble. Good for him
anyway.

I leave the B7 link to your various imaginations and inclinations

"But the expression of a well-made man appears not only in his face,
It is in his limbs and joints also, it is curiously in the joints of his
hips and wrists,
It is in his walk, the carriage of his neck, the flex of his waist and
knees, dress does not hide him,
The strong sweet quality he has strikes through the cotton and broadcloth,
To see him pass conveys as much as the best poem, perhaps more,
You linger to see his back, and the back of his neck and shoulder-side."


Alison

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Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 15:55:58 +0100
From: Steve Rogerson <steve.rogerson@mcr1.poptel.org.uk>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>, Freedom City <freedom-city@blakes-7.org>,
        B7newonelist <Blakes-7@onelist.com>,
        Couro Prido <CouroPrido@onelist.com>
Subject: [B7L] Watford
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I picked up a flyer today for a sci-fi fair in Watford from 11-4 on
Sunday 25 June. It lists Brian Croucher among the guests. The other
guests are Robert Trebor (Salmoneus, Xena) and Robert Llewelyn (Kryten,
Red Dwarf). There's also meant to be "surpise Star Wars Episode One
guests".

This is the same day as the next Xena night at Pages, so those fancying
a trip south could make a day of it. It says more info on:

http://www.scifishows.com



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23-25 February 2001, Ashford, Kent
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Date: Sun Jun  4 20:12:44 BST 2000
From: Ika <blake@gaudaprime.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Harvest of Kairos
Message-Id: <200006041917.UAA27725@ns4.uk2net.com>

> Marian de Haan wrote :
> 
> > At that time Tarrant hasn't yet had any chance to demonstrate
> > his worth as a pilot, therefore at the first hint of trouble you'd expect
> > Avon to come rushing to the flight deck to see how he's going to handle
> > things.
> 
> Well, I'm not sure about this, do we know the real time period between each
> episode?  Without any time log, it could have been months between Volcano
> and Harvest for example, and Avon may have seen how good a pilot Tarrant
> was.
> 
> But there are still a lot of holes in the characterizations.  Was this Ben
> Steed's first episode as writer?

Yes. He only wrote this one, Moloch, and Power (is anyone else spotting a Ben 
Steed theme in those three, by the way?).

Although of course theoretically he could have written Moloch before he wrote 
Harvest, I suppose.

Ika


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