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blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 154
Today's Topics:
Fwd: Re: [B7L] Terminal (was Sarcophagus)
[B7L] Quiz answer
Re: [B7L] Harvest of Kairos
Re: [B7L] Harvest of Kairos
Re: [B7L] Harvest of Kairos
Re: [B7L] War wounds
[B7L] Re: Terminal (was Sarcophagus)
Re: [B7L] More log entries
[B7L] Re: War Wounds
Re: Fwd: [B7L] War wounds
Re: Fwd: Re: [B7L] Terminal (was Sarcophagus)
Re: [B7L] War wounds
Re: [B7L] More log entries
[B7L] Harvest of Kairos
[B7L] Re: Terminal (was Sarcophagus)
[B7L] The Saint this morning
Re: [B7L] Walt's words
Re: Fwd: [B7L] War wounds
Re: [B7L] Harvest of Kairos
Re: [B7L] Harvest of Kairos
Re: [B7L] Harvest of Kairos
Re: [B7L] Harvest of Kairos
Re: [B7L] Re: Terminal (was Sarcophagus)
Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #153
Re: [B7L] Harvest of Kairos
Re: [B7L] Ben Steed (Harvest of Kairos)
Re: [B7L] Harvest of Kairos
Re: [B7L] Harvest of Kairos
[B7L] War wounds - Lasers again
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Date: Sun Jun 4 20:31:47 BST 2000
From: Ika <blake@gaudaprime.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Fwd: Re: [B7L] Terminal (was Sarcophagus)
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> Ika wrote (hi, Ika, and welcome) :
> <I've always associated the post-Terminal change (I love the phrase "was he
> mad" Avon, btw) with the death of *Blake*, rather than Cally.>
>
> Well, yes, me too (the others will tell you I'm rather biased on this
> point), but IMO it was the three losses, all in the space of (probably) one
> day that did it. Learning of Blake's death - after pushing himself through
> 3rd season to accept the probability, basically giving up all hope, then
> being given *back* that hope - and even seeing what he thought was Blake -
> was the worst blow.
Definitely - and the Liberator second. (I don't really know where I stand on
the Avon-Cally relationship. I always think the main reason he loves her - or
whatever it is - is because she reminds him of the old days when Blake was
there and things at least made sense, and Avon had someone to shout out and let
him off the hook about actually making any positive decisions about anything -
see Sally's post about Avon not knowing what to do with the Liberator on the
Harvest thread).
Looking at it another way, starting the day with Blake, Cally, the Liberator
and the rest and ending it left only with Tarrant, Dayna, Vila and Scorpio is
bound to get anyone down (no disrespect intended - to Dayna and Vila at least).
> And in another post:
> <Ahhhh, another chance to air my pet theory!>
>
> You only have one?!? I have a whole zoo full ...
I'm starting out slow - give me time! :-)
> <In a lot of ways I am starting to think Tarrant *is* in charge of the
> Liberator in S3 - check the number of times he votes against Avon's plans
> and everyone goes along with him.>
>
> <gurgle> why do you think that Avon decided that democracy wasn't a good
> idea after all? Once he got sick of being out-voted, the whole idea went out
> the window with startling speed (and to be honest, I think if they'd still
> be voting at the start of Terminal, more people than Tarrant might have
> gotten a gun pointed at them. Just to help them decide, you understand.)
Can't say anything to this except I
agree....
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Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 20:40:07 +0100
From: Steve Rogerson <steve.rogerson@mcr1.poptel.org.uk>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Quiz answer
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They both had a double handed blow to the sides of the head cut from the
video release; relevant cos it's only just happened with the Xena one.
--
cheers
Steve Rogerson
http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson
Redemption: The Blake's 7 and Babylon 5 convention
23-25 February 2001, Ashford, Kent
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Date: Sun Jun 4 20:37:29 BST 2000
From: Ika <blake@gaudaprime.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Harvest of Kairos
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> To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
> From: "Isobel Gordon" <isobel@ussenterprise.ndo.co.uk>
> -----
> Sally wrote:
>
> > *My* biggest plot-hole is why the hell Dayna didn't teleport Servalan into
> > space (a la Vargas) at the end. Servalan couldn't possibly have known what
> > the teleport settings were, so it was a god-given chance ...
>
> I think because that would just be too easy. I get the impression Dayna
> doesn't want Servalan to die that quickly. Ok, being unprotected in space
> is nasty and messy, but Dayna doesn't actually get to enjoy her death....
>
> Izzy
>
> (Hi all, I'm a lurking newbie BTW)
Hello! (me too, until like two days ago)
I know this isn't really playing the game, but surely the reason Dayna didn't
teleport Servalan into space is that they *aren't allowed* to kill Servalan
(for some reason which I think should be explored - a commandment from the
Auronaar god Boucher perhaps?)
Love,
Ika
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Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 14:53:00 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [B7L] Harvest of Kairos
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Ika wrote:
<Yes. He only wrote this one, Moloch, and Power (is anyone else spotting a
Ben Steed theme in those three, by the way?).>
<gurgle> Besides his rather strange attitude to women, his odd touches of
good character stuff among a sea of crud (in Kairos Cally's all over the map
- in Moloch she and Tarrant are AWFUL, and in Power Avon is - is - oh dear),
and the fact that his first episode was IMHO by far his best (which - since
it's Kairos - says something).
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Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 22:26:46 +0100
From: "Andrew Ellis" <Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com>
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Subject: Re: [B7L] Harvest of Kairos
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I actually like this episode. But more for the intelligence of Jarvik, and
the Jarvik - Servalan interaction, so I don't really notice any flaws in
characterisation.
Avon especially seems perfectly IN character to me, just giving the ego in
hair enough rope to either prove or hang himself.
Gnog
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Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 22:44:55 +0100
From: "Andrew Ellis" <Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] War wounds
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>Nick wrote:
>> Laser beams travel in reasonably straight lines, and have no
>>recoil. You can use a low-powered laser to target and then just up
>>the power for your shot. Blammo, the red dot becomes a red hole.
> The accuracy comes from the fact that it actually is more
>accurate! No dodging hocus-pocus involved!
>A dodging target might move a fair distance while you're upping the power.
>Ultimately it all comes down to whether you're pointing the gun in exactly
>the right direction or not, which is not necessarily easy in the heat of
>battle.
>Neil
> Is it then possible for a laser weapon to work
> as an automatic weapon on rapid fire or all of the shots single fire only?
>Trish
1) Light carries momentum, so there IS recoil. The Liberator handguns are
the only laser weapons that is have seen that take account of this recoil
(but I bet the designer didn't realise that).
2) Dot only becomes hole if the particular wavelength of light is correctly
absorbed over a reasonable length and time scale in the target, otherwise
you just get a nasty nth degree burn, not a hole.
3) Over the ranges shown in the series, a bow and arrow is accurate enough.
4) In this case the light pulse travels at the speed of light, where as a
bullet travels along a beam at a low multiple of the speed of sound, so
provided you have the dodge speed correct (because the tracer stays on the
target) you should get your man (on a length scale where 3 applies). But yes
basically it comes down to pointing in the right direction.
5) Lasers operate at any speed you like, from continuously, through one
pulse a second and up to a few hundred gigahertz (100 billion pulses per
second)
Question, if a laser gun can blow a hole in a target, what happens to the
end of the gun ? And can you shoot through windows.
Gnog
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Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 17:08:44 -0600 (MDT)
From: Betty Ragan <bragan@aoc.nrao.edu>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Terminal (was Sarcophagus)
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Sally Manton wrote:
> Hi, Betty ... nice to see you here as well.
Well, that's probably only because I'm biting my tongue and refraining
from going into my "Why I hate 'Harvest of Kairos'" rant again. ;)
> It's an interesting (if slightly malicious) game, this - given that Terminal
> was fairly obviously a trap, to the point where Avon (IMHO) doesn't believe
> he has much chance of surviving it - if you put any of the others into his
> shoes, what would they have done, or who would they have done it for?
> Basically, who are they prepared to die for?
It is an interesting exercize, isn't it? Makes a bit of a change from
the "What if it was somebody else on the 'Orbit' shuttle?" game,
anyway. :)
> Gan, Blake, Cally and Tarrant would have gone to Terminal for any of their
> crew-mates, no question. Gan and Blake would quite possibly have done it for
> just about any innocent bystander as well.
Agreed (although I'm a little reluctant to add "no question" to any
prediction about Tarrant, the way his personality seems to change so
much from episode to episode).
> Vila and Soolin wouldn't have done it for *any* of the others (not with
> those odds staring them in the face). I like Soolin and love Vilakins, but
> neither of them strikes me as even slightly the self-sacrificing
> sort.
Like I said, I can't see Vila doing something like that on his own
initiative, no way, no how. I *can*, however, see him allowing
himself to be dragged along in the wake of someone else. Vila was
*very* good at allowing himself to be dragged along into other
people's insanely dangerous situations, poor guy. (Though who exactly
*would* make him come is another interesting question. Avon tried
very hard to keep them all completely out of it, and there's no doubt
in my mind that Blake would inisist that he'd want to take the risk
alone (as he did in a very similar situation in "Hostage" (I find it
*very* interesting to compare those two episodes,btw)). But any
of the others... Yeah, if they went, I could see them making Vila
come, too. Especially Tarrant with his "we all go down together"
attiuide.)
And as for Soolin... Well, if it *had* been her instead of Vila on
the shuttle, there is no doubt in my mind that Avon would have found
himself taking the vacuum walk...
> Dayna, I think would have for Avon, probably for Cally, Tarrant and Soolin -
> but I really doubt that she would be prepared to die for Vila. Her contempt
> for him, while sometimes tinged with derisive amusement, is too
> real.
Hmmm. I dunno. I think Dayna *does* like Vila, though she doesn't
have the same respect for him that she does for the others... Yes,
that lack of respect might well translate into not valuing his life in
the same way as theirs. But on the other hand, Dayna is suffused with
enough gung ho overconfidence that I can easily imagine her not taking
the danger as seriously as she ought to and charging in anyway, even
if it was Vila.
> Avon - Blake, definitely (we *saw* it) and a slim chance on Cally (but as I
> said, I'm dubious.) None of the rest, not even Vila.
I think Cally is quite possible, if not exactly probable -- the fact
that he knows she'd go for him *might* just prompt him to do it,
especially if he thought Cally would take it as a betrayal if he
*didn't* come. He probably would have at least detoured around the
goo-cloud if it was Cally, though. :)
--
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Not speaking for my employers, officially or otherwise.
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tough steak for the smothered onions..." -- Isaac Asimov
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Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 20:18:54 -0500
From: "Gerald Rocan" <grocan@home.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] More log entries
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In Digest #153, Ellynne G wrote:
<Vila's Dawn of the Gods Entry:>
Did anyone else enjoy it as much as me?
Great job, Ellynne. I really got a kick out of it! You sure seemed to have
him pegged. Have you ever written any other B7 fiction? I bet you'd be
great at it.
- Sue
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Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 20:37:43 -0500
From: "Gerald Rocan" <grocan@home.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: War Wounds
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> In Digest # 153 Dana Shilling <dshilling@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> > For the various weapons shown in the series,
> >what exactly happens when someone gets shot by one of them? (Well, I can
> >figure out "stun.")
>
>For medical stuff for fanfic writers, my housemate has just got a fab book
in a
series called "Howdunit" (for writers - check the creative writing section
in
your local bookshop, or bookstore, depending on where you live) called
something like "Serious Injury" which tells you everything you need to know
for
plot-related injury which makes sense. (The science-fiction bit, however,
means
as far as I'm concerned you can just make it all
up!)<
I agree about the Sci-fi bits, but another book I've found useful for
forensic info for my stories is published by Writer's Digest in the U. S.
called "Cause Of Death" by Keith D. Wilson, M.D. It's 'a writer's guide to
death, murder & forensic medicine'. It has info on various guns, bullets,
entry wounds, the mechanics of firing a gun, etc. I live in Canada and was
able to order it easily through my local bookstore. I'm not sure if it's
available overseas but it can't hurt to ask.
-Sue
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Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 08:33:44 +1000
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: Fwd: [B7L] War wounds
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On Sun, Jun 04, 2000 at 12:39:42AM -0400, B7Morrigan@aol.com wrote:
>
> Which brought up my question. Is it then possible for a laser weapon to work
> as an automatic weapon on rapid fire or all of the shots single fire only?
I don't think the concept of "rapid fire" applies to a laser weapon.
Things like Star Wars and the like have deceived us with their laser
"bolts" that one can actually see bouncing around like bullets. A
laser is a continuious beam of coherent light, which presumably keeps
being emitted as long as you have your finger on the trigger. So you
could theoretically carve a hole in your opposition by training your
laser across the field of fire.
I don't actually see what benefit one would gain from pulsing the
laser - that is, giving out pulses of coherent light in bursts, rather
than a continuous beam. Unless it was a power-saving mechanism, but
it might not be, since it could take more energy to start and stop the
beam than to keep it continuously running. I don't know enough about
the technicalities of lasers.
What I do recall is that the way a laser works, it is similar to the
principles applied in polarizing light. Normal everyday light, the
waves are going at all different angles. With polarized light, a
polarizing filter only allows light whose waves are in alignment with
the filter to get through. With a laser, the light gets bounced back
and forth inside the laser until the only light that gets out is
coherent - of the same frequency and the same phase. (Thus light from
a laser is all the same colour - same frequency) A targeting laser is
red, and not very high energy. Presumably combat lasers of B7 ilk are
of higher energy (a different colour), using something other than
rubies to push the light through.
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Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 08:15:28 +1000
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [B7L] Terminal (was Sarcophagus)
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On Sat, Jun 03, 2000 at 08:10:59PM -0700, Sally Manton wrote:
> <gurgle> why do you think that Avon decided that democracy wasn't a good
> idea after all? Once he got sick of being out-voted, the whole idea went out
> the window with startling speed (and to be honest, I think if they'd still
> be voting at the start of Terminal, more people than Tarrant might have
> gotten a gun pointed at them. Just to help them decide, you understand.)
LOL!
This reminds me of a quote from one of the Vorkosigan books:
A weapon is a tool for helping the enemy change its mind.
(That's the gist of it, anyway - I can't remember the exact wording)
Kathryn Andersen
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Vila: Talk's cheap.
Orac: Does that mean something?
Avon: It means he doesn't believe you, and neither, as a
matter of fact, do I.
Orac: I take it you wish me to prove it.
Avon: Why not?
[Orac shrinks. Avon and Vila shake hands.]
(Blake's 7: Gambit [B11])
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Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 19:40:03 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] War wounds
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Trish asked
> Is it then possible for a laser weapon to work
> as an automatic weapon on rapid fire or all of the shots single fire only?
It would probably be most efficient to fire a single continuous beam, which
you could then bring to bear on the target. Might play havoc with the
energy cells(TM), though.
You might be able to use a rotating prism to scatter the beam and thus
maximise your chance to hit a target with a single pulse. That would
probably be less lethal, but then weapons don't have to be lethal as such.
A point that emerged from one of the panels at Redemption was that modern
automatic weapons are designed with low lethality in mind, since a wounded
man ties up another three or four ferrying him out of the battlezone whilst
a corpse is just a corpse.
Neil
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Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 17:22:24 EST
From: "Jessica Taylor" <morgaine54@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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>From: "Gerald Rocan" <grocan@home.com>
>To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
>Subject: Re: [B7L] More log entries
>Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 20:18:54 -0500
>
>In Digest #153, Ellynne G wrote:
><Vila's Dawn of the Gods Entry:>
>
>Did anyone else enjoy it as much as me?
>Great job, Ellynne. I really got a kick out of it! You sure seemed to
>have
>him pegged. Have you ever written any other B7 fiction? I bet you'd be
>great at it.
>
>- Sue
I'll say.
It was fantastic, thanks Ellynne.
Jessica
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Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 02:13:25 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
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Subject: [B7L] Harvest of Kairos
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Ika wrote:
<I know this isn't really playing the game, but surely the reason Dayna
didn't teleport Servalan into space is that they *aren't allowed* to kill
Servalan ...
You're absolutely right, Ika.
That *isn't* playing the game <veg>
Not that I can do much better ... the problem is, when Blake lets the bad
guy live, we can put it down to his Noble Streak (even if said Noble Streak
is seriously in abeyance at other times, and makes him look like an idiot
when he does things like this). When Avon does it (Aftermath) we can come up
with unlikely but not *totally* impossible theories about conserving arrows.
When Tarrant does it, it's his Sir Galahad bit and quite understandable.
Vila ..? Doesn't like bloodshed, even when it *isn't* his own.
When Dayna does it ... errmmmm ...
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Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 02:49:29 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
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Subject: [B7L] Re: Terminal (was Sarcophagus)
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After I wrote:
<Gan, Blake, Cally and Tarrant would have gone to Terminal for any of their
crew-mates, no question.>
Betty wrote:
<Agreed (although I'm a little reluctant to add "no question" to any
prediction about Tarrant, the way his personality seems to change so much
from episode to episode).>
It does, it does, but I don't think the *team loyalty* aspect is ever
seriously compromised on screen (can anyone shed light on this?). It appears
to me to stay constant pretty much from Volcano onwards. He takes what he
sees as his own responsibilities to the team seriously (he does have a poor
understanding of what *other* people see as *their* responsibilities, of
course).
I'd go a little further, based on my understanding of Tarrant - had Avon
chosen to tell Tarrant/the crew of the Terminal business, I really do
believe that Tarrant would have volunteered to risk his life for a man he
didn't know from a bar of soap, but who was important to three of his own
team-mates. (I don’t say he'd sacrifice his life, however. That would be
going *too* far, although Gan ... maybe ...)
<Blake would inisist that he'd want to take the risk alone (as he did in a
very similar situation in "Hostage" (I find it *very* interesting to compare
those two episodes,btw)).>
Haven't thought that one out as yet, but I can see some resemblances - *do*
go on ...
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Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 11:11:20 +0100
From: "David A McIntee" <Master@allisurvey.freeserve.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] The Saint this morning
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Was watching the 10am showing on Granada Plus (the episode was called The
Gadic Collection), and who should show up but an incredibly young Paul
Darrow, playing a dubious Turkish museum assistant...
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Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 07:10:43 EDT
From: Mac4781@aol.com
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Alison wrote:
> What amazes me is that old Walt could write
> stuff like this in the Victorian era, and not get into trouble.
I must confess that the stanza didn't strike me as sensual until you
suggested I compare it to B7. I thought that Walt was referring to a proper,
stiff gentleman type, not BSO material. I appreciate the new frame of
reference. :)
> I leave the B7 link to your various imaginations and inclinations
It takes no little imagination to guess my inclination.
> It is in his limbs and joints also, it is curiously in the joints of his
> hips and wrists,
Definitely. Thinking of a couple of scenes in HEADHUNTER in particular.
> You linger to see his back, and the back of his neck and shoulder-side."
Oh my, that's exactly what I did when first confronted with his alter ego in
the flesh.
Thanks for sharing, Alison. You've sprinkled glitter on my morning.
Carol Mc
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Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 00:57:41 -0700
From: mistral@ptinet.net
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Kathryn Andersen wrote:
> Presumably combat lasers of B7 ilk are
> of higher energy (a different colour), using something other than
> rubies to push the light through.
The ubiquitous crystals, of course.
Mistral
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Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 05:55:47 -0700
From: mistral@ptinet.net
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Sally Manton wrote:
> (in Kairos Cally's all over the map
> - in Moloch she and Tarrant are AWFUL,
Will you elaborate on this a little, Sally? I think Moloch is one of
Cally's better third series eps; she's not sad and wimpy at all, even
if she hasn't got a lot to do, she seems interested in fighting the
Federation again, and she seems to think Vila should be treated
like an adult. What exactly do you think is awful, please?
Mistral
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Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 06:04:55 -0700
From: mistral@ptinet.net
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Izzy wrote:
> Sally wrote:
>
> > *My* biggest plot-hole is why the hell Dayna didn't teleport Servalan into
> > space (a la Vargas) at the end. Servalan couldn't possibly have known what
> > the teleport settings were, so it was a god-given chance ...
>
> I think because that would just be too easy. I get the impression Dayna
> doesn't want Servalan to die that quickly. Ok, being unprotected in space
> is nasty and messy, but Dayna doesn't actually get to enjoy her death....
Hi Izzy :)
I think you're right. Dayna would have wanted to look Servalan in
the eye as she died and have her know it was Dayna that had killed
her. Vengeance is a dish best served cold.
Mistral
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Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 05:49:49 -0700
From: mistral@ptinet.net
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Gnog wrote:
> I actually like this episode. But more for the intelligence of Jarvik, and
> the Jarvik - Servalan interaction, so I don't really notice any flaws in
> characterisation.
I have to agree with you, Gnog. I was deeply annoyed when Jarvik
got killed, I'd hoped that he would be an ongoing and worthy adversary
to our heroes. He was much more believable and easier to take than
Servalan's third and fourth series vampish nuttiness.
> Avon especially seems perfectly IN character to me, just giving the ego in
> hair enough rope to either prove or hang himself.
Ditto. If a Federation-trained space captain and the Liberator
can't withstand an assault from three pursuit ships, something's
really wrong--remember what they withstood in Hostage. Tarrant
survived long enough to wind up on the Liberator, after all. When
Avon thought there was any real trouble--the cargo hold--he
showed up.
Plus Avon playing with the sopron is perfect characterization.
It's absolutely typical of an INTP with a fascinating new toy.
Mistral
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Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 09:24:00 -0600
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Harvest of Kairos
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On Mon, 05 Jun 2000 02:13:25 PDT "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
writes:
> Ika wrote:
> <I know this isn't really playing the game, but surely the reason
> Dayna
> didn't teleport Servalan into space is that they *aren't allowed* to
> kill
> Servalan ...
>
> You're absolutely right, Ika.
>
> That *isn't* playing the game <veg>
>
Well, maybe nobody really explained this aspect of the teleport system to
Dayna. Avon may have delegated the job of giving her a tour of the ship
to Vila, who limited himself to explaining how to operate it and adding
something like, "And you have to be in range. If you're not in range, it
doesn't work."
Avon and Cally wouldn't let her use it till she'd proved she could do it
right, but somehow never realized she thought the teleporter wouldn't
work if you weren't in range of a proper landing spot instead of the
atoms messily scattered if you beamed them into space without a landing
spot in range of the beam.
Sure, Dayna had to be a little dense for this to happen. However, since
she never thought of the teleport as a type of weapon, she probably
wasn't interested in the details.
Ellynne
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Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 09:59:15 -0600
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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On Mon, 05 Jun 2000 02:49:29 PDT "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
writes:
> After I wrote:
> <Gan, Blake, Cally and Tarrant would have gone to Terminal for any
> of their
> crew-mates, no question.>
>
Gan would go for anyone who asked him, no question there.
Blake would go for anyone who asked him if he didn't see it as being very
much against the interests of his little revolution (unfortunately, the
guy could have spurts where 'noble sacrifice' included a lot of innocent
bystanders).
Cally, I'm not so sure about. Oh, she was very much for rescuing people.
I'm just trying to remember a time when Cally faced a dangerous rescue
mission that wasn't 'cause' related. I _think_ she'd risk a lot for
innocent noncoms, but I'm not positive.
Tarrant, I think, had a more military attitude. He was willing to take
major risks for his crewmates and for whatever cause they were fighting
for. So, he would have been interested in taking major risks for someone
other in the crew felt a major connection to, especially someone they saw
as a crewmate. Of course, he also had a stronger attachment to terms
like 'acceptable losses' (which seemed to mean Vila) than the others did.
Promise Dayna big explosions and a chance to see Servalan in shooting
range, and she's there.
I agree Vila would follow where others led but wouldn't have the nerve to
throw himself into something like that directly (not without other, major
threats hanging over his head).
Jenna wouldn't do it unless it hit some aspect of space trader ethics.
Soolin probably wouldn't unless it was part of very high pay contract for
her services as mercenary/bodyguard/assasin. However, if it was small
families being killed by vicious raiders - a situation like Guada Prime -
I think she'd suddenly do a rational justification job even Avon couldn't
equal.
Ellynne
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Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 05:19:43 +0100
From: "DragonFly" <dragonfly@pond65.fsnet.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>, <blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #153
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does anyone know why stephan greif (travis one) left the series? (sorry
folks if I spelt his name wrong.) I see him more on convension photos that
travis 2 even though he was in more episodes?
I consider him to be much better than (travis two) despite having seen the
episodes with travis two in much before I saw any with travis one in.
Julia- Loughborough
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Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 18:17:25 +0200
From: Jacqueline Thijsen <inquisitioner@wish.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Harvest of Kairos
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At 11:13 5-6-00, Sally Manton wrote:
>Ika wrote:
><I know this isn't really playing the game, but surely the reason Dayna
>didn't teleport Servalan into space is that they *aren't allowed* to kill
>Servalan ...
>
>You're absolutely right, Ika.
>
>That *isn't* playing the game <veg>
>
>Not that I can do much better ... the problem is, when Blake lets the bad
>guy live, we can put it down to his Noble Streak (even if said Noble
>Streak is seriously in abeyance at other times, and makes him look like an
>idiot when he does things like this). When Avon does it (Aftermath) we can
>come up with unlikely but not *totally* impossible theories about
>conserving arrows. When Tarrant does it, it's his Sir Galahad bit and
>quite understandable. Vila ..? Doesn't like bloodshed, even when it
>*isn't* his own.
>
>When Dayna does it ... errmmmm ...
Ever since this came up, I've had a mental picture of Dayna repeatedly
banging her head against the bulkhead because it simply didn't occur to her
that she could have used the teleport to kill Servalan until exactly two
seconds *after* she sent Servie off.
Jacqueline
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Date: Mon Jun 5 18:48:31 BST 2000
From: Ika <blake@gaudaprime.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Ben Steed (Harvest of Kairos)
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> From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [B7L] Harvest of Kairos
> Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 14:53:00 PDT
> -----
> Ika wrote:
> <Yes. He only wrote this one, Moloch, and Power (is anyone else spotting a
> Ben Steed theme in those three, by the way?).>
>
> <gurgle> Besides his rather strange attitude to women, his odd touches of
> good character stuff among a sea of crud (in Kairos Cally's all over the map
> - in Moloch she and Tarrant are AWFUL, and in Power Avon is - is - oh dear),
> and the fact that his first episode was IMHO by far his best (which - since
> it's Kairos - says something).
>
I don't know. I have a soft spot for Moloch - I think he does Servalan rather
well there (strangely, given how weird she's acting in Kairos) and I *love* the
interaction between her and Vila.
Besides, as you say, his strange attitude to women - he really doesn't like
machines much, does he? There's Jarvik going on about how much better it is to
feel the sun on his back (given he's a construction worker on what appears to
be a space station, I don't know what he thinks he's talking about) than to ask
computers any questions, and Moloch - computers are evil again - and to be
honest I can't comment on Power because I seem to have blanked everything from
my memory except for the line "Oooh, Pella, it hurts". Which is going to be my
sig, I think.
Ika
"Oooh, Pella, it
hurts."
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Date: Mon Jun 5 19:17:25 BST 2000
From: Ika <blake@gaudaprime.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Harvest of Kairos
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> Ika wrote:
> <I know this isn't really playing the game, but surely the reason Dayna
> didn't teleport Servalan into space is that they *aren't allowed* to kill
> Servalan ...
>
Sally wrote:
> You're absolutely right, Ika.
>
> That *isn't* playing the game <veg>
>
> Not that I can do much better ... the problem is, when Blake lets the bad
> guy live, we can put it down to his Noble Streak (even if said Noble Streak
> is seriously in abeyance at other times, and makes him look like an idiot
> when he does things like this). When Avon does it (Aftermath) we can come up
> with unlikely but not *totally* impossible theories about conserving arrows.
> When Tarrant does it, it's his Sir Galahad bit and quite understandable.
> Vila ..? Doesn't like bloodshed, even when it *isn't* his own.
>
> When Dayna does it ... errmmmm ...
>
Tee-hee! BTW, I was watching RoD with my housemate the other day and she
pointed out one of the weirdest Dayna moments ever:
D: And if Servalan doesn't do as you ask (or something)?
A: I'll blow the top of her head off
D: (laughing) I really believe you would.
What's going on with that? Again, Dayna forgets her burning mission to kill
Servalan....
Ika
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Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 14:33:37 -0400
From: "Christine+Steve" <cgorman@idirect.com>
To: "B7 Mailing List" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Harvest of Kairos
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Mistral added
> I have to agree with you, Gnog. I was deeply annoyed when Jarvik
> got killed, I'd hoped that he would be an ongoing and worthy adversary
> to our heroes. He was much more believable and easier to take than
> Servalan's third and fourth series vampish nuttiness.
Yes, I really enjoyed Jarvik too, always cool when it looked like the
Liberator had gotten away - supreme confidence in his plan. Although he did
overcome the Federation guards a bit too easy foer my liking.
Steve Dobson.
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Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 22:03:05 +0100
From: "Andrew Ellis" <Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] War wounds - Lasers again
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>Trish asked
>
>You might be able to use a rotating prism to scatter the beam and thus
>maximise your chance to hit a target with a single pulse.
Better to just use a lens to produce the shape of beam you require. Do it
properly, and you are on the way to inventing the laser equivalent of the
sawn off shot gun. Create widespread damage to as many targets as possible,
rather than specific damage to one.
The fact that laser guns do not do this suggests that the energy available
must only be sufficient to damage one target.
Gnog
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