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blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 167
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)
Re: [B7L] shooting question
Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)
[B7L] Re: Orac
Re: [B7L] Re: Animals (Was Josette Simon)
[B7L] Re: Boo!
Re: [B7L] Bounty
[B7L] 'Games'
[B7L] Moondiscs
Re: [B7L] Re: Travis
Re: [B7L] Moondiscs
Re: [B7L] Travis
Re: [B7L] Novelised transcripts
Re: [B7L] Animals (Was Josette Simon)
Re: [B7L] Re: Animals (Was Josette Simon)
[B7L] Re:ORAC'S LOYALTIES.
[B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #166
[B7L] Re: screen captures
Re: [B7L] 'Games'
Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)
Re: [B7L] Moondiscs
Re: [B7L] Moondiscs
Re: [B7L] shooting question
Re: [B7L] Novelised transcripts
Re: [B7L] Re: screen captures
Re: [B7L]Jell-O (was: Moondiscs)
Re: [B7L] shooting question
Re: [B7L] shooting question - force wall
Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)
Re: [B7L]Jell-O (was: Moondiscs)
Re: [B7L]Jell-O (was: Moondiscs)
Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)
Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)
Re: [B7L] shooting question - force wall
RE: [B7L] Travis
Re: [B7L]Jell-O (was: Moondiscs)
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Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 19:18:18 +0200
From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)
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Lisa Williams wrote:
>(I'm having a hard enough time gritting my teeth and doing captures for
"Rumours", which is one of my least favorite episodes but which was a clear
front-runner in the votes so I'm going to do it and get it over with.)
So I'm not the only one who dislikes that episode? [Although I do like the
opening scene - I love to see My Hero suffer a bit :-) ]
Marian
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Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 19:27:50 +0200
From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
To: "Lysator List" <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] shooting question
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Judith wrote:
>A lot of useful reference material for writers can be found in the
Sevencyclopaedia on my web site. Neil Faulkner did a massive amount of work
on it and it's being added to by Murray Smith and the occasion tiny bit from
myself.
It's a marvellous source. Thank you, Neil, Murray and Judith, it must have
cost an tremendous amount of time to compile it.
And thank everyone who answered my question.
Marian
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Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 13:18:46 -0500
From: Lisa Williams <lcw@dallas.net>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)
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Marian de Haan wrote:
>So I'm not the only one who dislikes that episode?
I expect we're in a small minority, but no, you're not entirely alone.
- Lisa
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Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 12:50:52 -0600 (MDT)
From: Betty Ragan <bragan@aoc.nrao.edu>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Orac
Message-Id: <200006181850.MAA20402@zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU>
Responding to me, Sally wrote:
> <and he seems at least somewhat concerned about Blake in "Voice,">
>
> and while I agree with you, this is *very* hard to explain, since I don't
> think Blake was one of Orac's favourite people *at all*
Yes, it seems very strange to me, too. (Actually, come to think about
it, there's a *lot* about "Voice from the Past" that strikes me as
strange...) But it *does* seem like a counter-example to the point I
was making, so I felt honor-bound to mention it. :)
> Possibly the whole mental tampering bit is something that pushes buttons in
> the part of his personality that came from Ensor?
Hmm, actually, I can imagine this being something that might push
buttons in Orac quite apart from any attitudes inherited from Ensor.
Orac's had first-hand experience of mental possession in "Shadow," and
he shows great terror of being under the android's control in
"Headhunter," later on. So maybe he'd be sympathetic to a human
experiencing mind control. I think that may be ascribing a bit too
much compassion to him, though. ("Orac" and "compassion" being words
that just don't go together in my mind.)
> Or we missed the scene
> where Avon threatened him with a rusty laser probe and an acid-bath if there
> was *one word* of protest?
Now, *that* I can buy. "You'll reprogram Blake, or I'll be
reprogramming *you*..." :)
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Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 19:53:54 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Animals (Was Josette Simon)
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Jurgen wrote:
> Oh my God, Una, I read your defence of 'Animals' and I agree with you!!
> Thank you so much for writing it! I'd like to give you a big hug for that!
> Don't worry, you haven't completely lost your cause. :-)
I am validated as a human being :)
I have to say that hugs are being thrown around this list a lot more freely
than I remember. Have you all been replaced by Andromedans?
Una
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Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 12:57:30 -0600 (MDT)
From: Betty Ragan <bragan@aoc.nrao.edu>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Boo!
Message-Id: <200006181857.MAA20481@zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU>
Una wrote:
> Betty wrote:
>
> > Hi, Una! Coincidentally, I was just thinking about you, as I've
> > finally gotten around to reading _A Stitch in Time_. But that's
> > woefully off-topic here, I guess...
>
> :) I guess so. Still like to hear what you thought of it, tho'.
Well, despite my personal conviction that Garak is a B7 character who
wandered into the Star Trek universe by mistake... :) But I've
finished it now. I shall send you an e-mail. (Probably from my other
account... once I've got my phone jack fixed. Sigh.)
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Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 16:45:19 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Bounty
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On Sun 18 Jun, Andrew Ellis wrote:
> Judith,
>
> Put us down for a possibly. Depends on when etc, since Kent is only an hour
> or two away.
>
> Jackie and Andrew
2nd or 9th September currently seem the best bets. They're both Saturdays and
most people should be back from summer holidays by then.
Can you and the other list members thinking of coming let me know if those dates
are okay?
I'll pick the one that most people can make. It looks as though there'll be at
least half a dozen of us.
Judith
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Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 18:23:40 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
cc: Freedom City <freedom-city@blakes-7.org>
Subject: [B7L] 'Games'
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While I'm thinking about location trips, is anyone interested in coming along to
Winspit quarry near Swanage on Sunday 30 July.
The quarry was used to film 'Games' and has several good caves (like the one the
Mecronians used).
We do this every year, but many of the local group aren't as keen as they used
to be (they've done it too often). I still enjoy it as it's a lovely piece of
Dorset coastline with a fantastic view out to sea and it's a great place to have
a battle with water pistols. (bring your own supersoaker and something to carry
water in)
It'd be great to have some new blood along, not least because I know all the
best ambush points <evil grin>.
If you are interested, the normal rendezvous point is Wareham station at midday
and then we car share from there to Worth Matravers. From Worth Matravers you
have to go by foot for about half an hour, but it's a lovely walk and well worth
it for that alone.
It's a good picnic spot, so we always take lunch with us and make a proper
outing out of it.
Let me know if you want to come so that I don't miss anyone at the rendezvous.
Judith
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Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 12:49:31 PDT
From: "Isobel Hamilton" <isobel19@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Moondiscs
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Hi,
I know there is probably a site out there somewhere.. I suspect I came
across it surfing a while back, but can anyone point me in the direction of
a site which would have a pic of a Moondisc? Ideally a screen capture with
just a moondisc in shot :o)
(Or if you've got a pic handy, feel free to email it!)
All help much appreciated!
Isobel
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Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 20:13:35 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Travis
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On Sun 18 Jun, Harriet Monkhouse wrote:
> In the extremely wonderful tape about Travis, The Final Act, the Divine
> Boucher does say "the rest of humanity had betrayed him, in the form of his
> family, the service". So that would include Servalan, though I think it
> implies the resentment is more generalised. Because we see her so often,
> maybe we tend to think of Servalan as being the Federation; Travis has
> grown up in the system, so can see the whole picture.
>
> Boucher goes on: "I don't know whether the destruction of humanity had
> become the substitute for killing Blake, whether Blake and humanity were
> one and the same thing and therefore you destroyed the two in one fell
> swoop..." which I take to mean that actually, he does think that. Anyway,
> in both cases it appears that Travis's anger with specific individuals had
> extended to much larger targets. He may be crazy, but there's a sense in
> which he's right; if you killed either Servalan or Blake, someone would
> replace them. In which case, he really is a mirror image of Blake, who is
> not concerned with removing corrupt individuals who have persecuted him but
> with overthrowing the whole damn thing.
I've still got copies of this tape for sale. It was made by the same people who
later did Logic of Empite. See http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7
I feel that selling out the Andromedans was partly revenge against the
Federation that betrayed him. Plus of course that destroying humanity would be
the ultimate revenge on Blake.
Judith
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Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 15:29:11 -0500
From: Lisa Williams <lcw@dallas.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Moondiscs
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Isobel Hamilton wrote:
>but can anyone point me in the direction of a site which would have a pic
>of a Moondisc? Ideally a screen capture with just a moondisc in shot :o)
There are a couple in my library:
http://lcw.simplenet.com/B7Lib/html/episodes/images/Shadow/Shado156.html
http://lcw.simplenet.com/B7Lib/html/episodes/images/Shadow/Shado178.html
Plus a few others of moondiscs and people.
- Lisa
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Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 21:39:20 +0100
From: "Nyder" <nyder@moore.britishlibrary.net>
To: "Penny Dreadful" <pennydreadful@powersurfr.com>, <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Travis
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----- Original Message -----
From: Penny Dreadful <pennydreadful@powersurfr.com>
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Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2000 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: [B7L] Travis
> I have nothing to contribute. I'm just so delighted to see someone quoting
> from "Trial". Twice.
> --
Let's go for the hat trick then:
"A field officer, like myself, is frequently required to make fast,
unconsidered decisions. You were all field officers, you know that's true.
Time to think is a luxury battle seldom affords you. You react
instinctively. Your actions, your decisions, all instinct, nothing more.
But, an officer's instincts are the product of his training. The more
thorough the training, the more predictable the instinct, the better the
officer. And I am a good officer. I have been in the service all my adult
life. I'm totally dedicated to my duty and highly trained in how to perform
it. On Serkasta I, I reacted as I was trained to react. I was an instrument
of the service. So if I'm guilty of murder, of mass murder, then so are all
of you!"
<pauses for breath>
Happy?
Fiona
Fiona Moore
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Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 14:10:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Wendy S. Penberriss" <penberriss@yahoo.com>
To: Una McCormack <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>, Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Novelised transcripts
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--- Una McCormack <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
wrote:
> Kai wrote:
>
> > Una wrote:
> > <I read an SF novel of Trevor Hoyle's and it was
> rather good: very black
> > humour indeed.>
> >
> > I've read his novel The Last Gasp, which I
> wouldn't call monumental, but
> > it was pretty enjoyable, occasionally inspiring
> (from what I can
> > remember).
Wow, I never knew he wrote anything other than B7
stuff...
Can anyone tell me, by the way, if Trevor Hoyle is any
relation to Fred Hoyle, who wrote a bunch of sci-fi
books in the sixties I think?
Wendy
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Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 14:34:28 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Animals (Was Josette Simon)
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Lisa wrote:
<Oh, and Sally -- yes, there was only one vote for "Voice from the Past", so
if that's yours, you were on your own.>
There you are Una, your beautiful baby got more votes than mine :-)
And in case anyone's now querying my taste and/or sanity (more than normal,
anyway) may I point out in defence that I get distracted by the beauties of
the black shirt and the amount of protective hovering that goes on (Avon
*and* Cally). And Jenna and Avon look so good grimly charging down to save
Not-In-His-Right-Mind Leader. And there's lots of lovely close-ups when
they're quizzing Orac.
Also, I did use my other votes more sensibly (Redemption and Killer, and the
latter got in - yay!). Lisa, with immaculate taste, has done just about all
the best ones already ...
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Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 14:48:13 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Animals (Was Josette Simon)
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Una wrote:
<I have to say that hugs are being thrown around this list a lot more freely
than I remember. Have you all been replaced by Andromedans?>
We're all channelling 'Duel'. <g>
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Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 15:08:56 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re:ORAC'S LOYALTIES.
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> My personal canon involves
> a *lot* of complaining from Orac each time Avon told him to start looking
> for Fearless Leader again ...
*That* I believe! Probably even threw a lot of Avon's words to Blake
back in his face.
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Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 15:14:21 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #166
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> By the way, can anyone help me alter my subscription details? I'm currently
> on the Digest form, but I'd sooner just receive a large email than one with
> the messages as individual attachments. I'm a little wary of attachments.
>
> Maybe I should reconfigure my e-mail program (Outlook) as a drinks
> dispenser - or an empty space! I think it would look good as an empty space.
> -misquote from 'Pseudonym' (B7 episode where the crew go to witness the
> Teal-Vandor war, from which I cannot remember the title)
>
> Pat
Mmmm? Pat, I think you do need to turn Outlook into a drinks dispenser.
I get the digest, but on Netscape. It is in the form of one (huge)
email. Any links are clickable, and generally, no attatchments unless
someone has put in a soundfile or something as attatchment, which they
aren't supposed to do.
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Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 15:16:40 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: screen captures
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> For the record, "Animals" did get *two* votes last time.
>
> What?!? That absolutely beggars belief!
>
>
> Una
Neil must be trying to butter you up, Una.
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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:15:48 EST
From: "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] 'Games'
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>From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
>While I'm thinking about location trips, is anyone interested in coming
>along to
>Winspit quarry near Swanage on Sunday 30 July.
Oh damn, damn, damn! Unless I suddenly develop a fairy godmother or a
teleport, I won't be there. But I shall expect a report on this as an
alternative birthday present!
Regards
Joanne
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Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 21:39:46 -0400
From: Meredith Dixon <dixonm@pobox.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)
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On Sun, 18 Jun 2000 13:18:46 -0500, you wrote:
>>So I'm not the only one who dislikes that episode?
*Rumors of Death*, if accepted as canonical, completely spoils *Countdown*,
which I like very much. Therefore I dislike it wholeheartedly.
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Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 19:35:42 -0700
From: Nick Moffitt <nick@zork.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Moondiscs
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begin Isobel Hamilton quotation:
> I know there is probably a site out there somewhere.. I suspect I
> came across it surfing a while back, but can anyone point me in the
> direction of a site which would have a pic of a Moondisc? Ideally a
> screen capture with just a moondisc in shot :o)
Why bother? Just make your own out of JELL-O(tm).
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Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 22:12:01 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Moondiscs
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On Sun 18 Jun, Isobel Hamilton wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I know there is probably a site out there somewhere.. I suspect I came
> across it surfing a while back, but can anyone point me in the direction of
> a site which would have a pic of a Moondisc? Ideally a screen capture with
> just a moondisc in shot :o)
> (Or if you've got a pic handy, feel free to email it!)
> All help much appreciated!
try the Sevencyclopaedia entry for Moondiscs... http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7
I think there's some on the Cally entry as well.
Judith
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Date: 19 Jun 2000 07:46:05 +0200
From: Calle Dybedahl <calle@lysator.liu.se>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] shooting question
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>>>>> "Pat" == Pat Sumner <pat@freedomcity.fsnet.co.uk> writes:
> By the way, can anyone help me alter my subscription details?
There are no subscription details beyond on/not on.
> I'm currently on the Digest form, but I'd sooner just receive a
> large email than one with the messages as individual attachments.
The digests are being sent as the MIME type multipart/digest, and they
have been for almost five years. How it is presented to you is
entirely up to your mailreader.
> Maybe I should reconfigure my e-mail program (Outlook) as a drinks
> dispenser
The drinks would probably turn out poisonous.
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Date: 19 Jun 2000 07:49:39 +0200
From: Calle Dybedahl <calle@lysator.liu.se>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Novelised transcripts
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>>>>> "Wendy" == Wendy S Penberriss <penberriss@yahoo.com> writes:
> Can anyone tell me, by the way, if Trevor Hoyle is any relation to
> Fred Hoyle, who wrote a bunch of sci-fi books in the sixties I think?
No, it's just a coincidence of names.
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slapping of paint onto the rotting, decayed infrastructure of the
Information Superhighway." -- Jinx_tigr
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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 08:31:29 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: screen captures
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Helen wrote:
> > For the record, "Animals" did get *two* votes last time.
> >
> > What?!? That absolutely beggars belief!
> >
> >
> > Una
> Neil must be trying to butter you up, Una.
That's the only plausible answer.
Una
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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 19:17:40 EST
From: "Jessica Taylor" <morgaine54@hotmail.com>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L]Jell-O (was: Moondiscs)
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>From: Nick Moffitt <nick@zork.net>
>To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
>Subject: Re: [B7L] Moondiscs
>Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 19:35:42 -0700
>Why bother? Just make your own out of JELL-O(tm).
Just out of curiosity, what's Jell-O?
Jessica
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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 18:29:28 +0930
From: "Minnie" <minnie@picknowl.com.au>
To: "Judith Proctor" <Judith@blakes-7.com>,
"Lysator List" <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] shooting question
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>> On Sat, 17 Jun 2000, Judith Proctor wrote:
>>
>> > The neutron blasters always fire forwards. Don't forget to raise the
neutron
>> > flare shields before use.
>>
>>
>What about the Force walls??
Min. xxx
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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 05:30:22 EDT
From: B7Morrigan@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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Min asked:
>
> >What about the Force walls??
>
Good question. In Harvest of Kairos, Jarvik picks up on a problem with
Liberator's force wall coverage. Tarrant tells Dayna to bring up the force
wall on overlap so that they could fire through it. It must obviously
protect the entire ship because Jarvik sees that Liberator's keel exposed.
Dayna was supposed to ask Cally how to do it, but Cally was off helping Avon
with his rock. (Dialogue below). Anyway, the force wall has to protect the
entire ship. Can't always count on your enemies attacking from the front,
can you?
TARRANT Oh, yes. Dayna, we'll be counterattacking through the force wall.
Bring it into maximum deflection.
DAYNA On interlock?
TARRANT No, overlap. Ask Cally, she'll put you right.
=========
JARVIK In that case: sit down and shut up. [Looks at monitor] He's left his
keel exposed. Killer Three, you're in strike range. Fire now! Now!
[Liberator is hit; flight deck]
=========
ZEN Hull sensors report damage to keel section.
TARRANT The keel section? That's impossible! The force wall... Dayna, --
DAYNA Yes, I know.
TARRANT Zen, retreat. Standard by Six, bearing Xymines. [To Dayna] I said:
overlap.
DAYNA I know, but I couldn't find --
TARRANT Didn't Cally show you?
DAYNA She wasn't there!
=======
Trish
"I don't mind rough. It's fatal I'm not too keen on. "
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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 19:57:33 EST
From: "Jessica Taylor" <morgaine54@hotmail.com>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)
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>From: Meredith Dixon <dixonm@pobox.com>
>Reply-To: dixonm@pobox.com
>To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
>Subject: Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)
>Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 21:39:46 -0400
>
>On Sun, 18 Jun 2000 13:18:46 -0500, you wrote:
> >>So I'm not the only one who dislikes that episode?
Meredith said:
>*Rumors of Death*, if accepted as canonical, completely spoils *Countdown*,
>which I like very much. Therefore I dislike it wholeheartedly.
I have to agree, Countdown was and is one of my favourite episodes and RoD
did somewhat spoil it. But I think RoD did have some good moments and helped
to explain a lot about Avons character. What I thought was odd was Avon
killing the rebellions leader, freeing Servelan and then just leaving the
rest of the rebellion to be massacred by the Federation. Just whose side is
he on?
Jessica
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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 11:05:49 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L]Jell-O (was: Moondiscs)
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Jessica wondered:
> Just out of curiosity, what's Jell-O?
I believe Jell-O is the American word for 'jelly'; also, 'jelly' is the
American word for 'jam'.
So a peanut butter and jelly sandwich is actually marginally less revolting
sounding than you might think.
Una
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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 05:43:56 -0500
From: Lisa Williams <lcw@dallas.net>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L]Jell-O (was: Moondiscs)
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Jessica Taylor wrote:
>Just out of curiosity, what's Jell-O?
It is a brand name for a fruit (more or less)-flavored gelatin dessert. The
brand is so ubiquitous that the name has almost become generic in the US.
I'm told the Brits refer to the same stuff as "jelly". In the US, "jelly"
is a spread made from fruit juice, pectin, and sugar. We distinguish it
from "jam", which is made from fruit puree rather than juice. I have been
told the British do not make this distinction and call them both "jam", but
I've also been told by other Brits that sometimes they do use "jelly" in
the same sense we do. It's all very confusing.
- Lisa
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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 13:26:00 +0200
From: Jacqueline Thijsen <inquisitioner@wish.net>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)
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At 02:57 20-6-00, Jessica Taylor asked:
>What I thought was odd was Avon killing the rebellions leader, freeing
>Servelan and then just leaving the rest of the rebellion to be massacred
>by the Federation. Just whose side is he on?
His own, of course. Avon always had his priorities straight. Whenever said
priorities weren't getting overruled by a certain rather annoying fearless
leader.
Jacqueline
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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:05:57 -0600
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)
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On Mon, 19 Jun 2000 19:57:33 EST "Jessica Taylor"
<morgaine54@hotmail.com> writes:
>
>
>
> >From: Meredith Dixon <dixonm@pobox.com>
> >Reply-To: dixonm@pobox.com
> >To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
> >Subject: Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)
> >Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 21:39:46 -0400
> >
> >On Sun, 18 Jun 2000 13:18:46 -0500, you wrote:
> > >>So I'm not the only one who dislikes that episode?
> Meredith said:
> >*Rumors of Death*, if accepted as canonical, completely spoils
> *Countdown*,
> >which I like very much. Therefore I dislike it wholeheartedly.
>
> I have to agree,
I don't. I think Countdown becomes more ironic, since neither Grant nor
Avon know what really happened with Anna and are essentially having their
conflict over an illusion, but they are still essentially the same people
and Anna's 'death' has still profoundly effected both of them.
What I think is missing is the episode after RoD when Avon and Grant meet
up again.
Countdown was and is one of my favourite episodes
> What I thought was odd was
> Avon
> killing the rebellions leader, freeing Servelan and then just
> leaving the
> rest of the rebellion to be massacred by the Federation. Just whose
> side is
> he on?
>
In fairness to Avon, I think he wasn't paying much attention while the
Federation troops were storming the place, by the time he noticed what
was going on, pretty much everyone had been massacred.
Besides, given how he'd already kept his word with Shrinker, I'm not sure
that (if they hadn't been interrupted by all those interesting little
turns of events) he would have kept his promise to Servalan in quite the
way she expected. A person can be unchained and on their feet with no
reference to where they are - or vital status.
Yes, he did free her at the end, but he was also feeling pretty suicidal
when he did it.
Ellynne
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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 13:52:48 +0100
From: Alison Page <alison_page@becta.org.uk>
To: "'blakes7@lysator.liu.se'" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] shooting question - force wall
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Can I just say I think this is a brilliant piece of dialogue through a space
battle. It's almost like a transcription of live speech
TARRANT: Dayna, --
DAYNA: Yes, I know.
TARRANT: Zen, retreat. Standard by Six, bearing Xymines. [To Dayna]
I said: overlap.
DAYNA: I know, but I couldn't find --
TARRANT: Didn't Cally show you?
DAYNA: She wasn't there!
It does annoy me that the 'battle computers' need so much human support to
do their most basic tasks, but then it could be that for all the computers
they aren't really interfacing with them properly, and so everything works
much less well than it should
Alison
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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 13:38:02 +0100
From: "Andy Hopkinson" <andyrh@netcomuk.co.uk>
To: "Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>, "Judith Proctor" <Judith@blakes-7.com>
Subject: RE: [B7L] Travis
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>Travis knew about the bomb (though I forget how) and expected it to go off
and
>kill Blake. He was willing to die as long as Blake died too.
>I can't now recall why Servalan didn't actually arm the bomb, but there was
an
>implied reason. I think her main aim was for Krantor to *think* it was
armed.
Hi everyone!
I'm staying with Andy Hopkinson at the moment and so have been able to read
the latest chat about Travis (I'm not on email myself). In answer to your
questions Judith, it was Cevedic who told Travis that Servalan had put a
bomb in his arm, and as for your second query as to why Servalan didn't
prime the bomb, well, this is how it worked. Servalan wanted Travis killed
and Docholli captured and interrogated by Krantor. the secret of Star One
was useless to Krantor, but knowledge of it would put him on the
Federation's death-list and allow Servalan to destroy Freedom City. The
bomb was not primed because if Travis had reached Docholli before Krantor's
men, then the bomb would have exploded, killing them both and ruining
Servalan's plan.
If Travis had reached Docholli before being killed and Dochilli had
performed the repair, as far as Krantor's men were concerned Travis would
still have been a target, because the fact that Travis hadn't been blown to
pieces would have been confirmation that the repair had not yet taken place.
If you follow me...
Another question that has come up over the years is who fixed Travis'
arm back on after the episode, because Docholli had left at that point. I
think we can assume that one of the mutoids aboard his stolen Pursuit Ship
did it for him. After all they were part bionic themselves and therefore
should be capable of self maintenance.
Alan Stevens
"Don't make me kill you Par."
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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 21:50:07 +1000
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L]Jell-O (was: Moondiscs)
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On Mon, Jun 19, 2000 at 07:17:40PM -0500, Jessica Taylor wrote:
>
> >From: Nick Moffitt <nick@zork.net>
> >To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
> >Subject: Re: [B7L] Moondiscs
> >Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 19:35:42 -0700
>
>
> >Why bother? Just make your own out of JELL-O(tm).
>
> Just out of curiosity, what's Jell-O?
Jelly, for those of us that don't speak American English.
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