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blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 169
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L] Model of Avon and possibly Blake
Re: [B7L] Re: Animals (Was Josette Simon)
Re: [B7L] Model of Avon and possibly Blake
[B7L] signing in Barking
Re: [B7L] shooting question
Re: Digest format [was[B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #166]
Re: [B7L] Unquestioning Faith
[B7L] Request for pictures of Jarvik and Zelda
Fwd: [B7L] Unquestioning Faith
Fwd: Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)
Fwd: Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)
Re: [B7L] shooting question
Re: [B7L]Jell-O (was: Moondiscs)
Re: [B7L] shooting question
Re: [B7L] Jelly Rebellion
Re: [B7L] Travis
Re: [B7L]Jell-O (was: Moondiscs)
Re: [B7L] Request for pictures of Jarvik and Zelda
[B7L] Re: Jell-O/ jelly rebellion
Re: Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)
Re: [B7L]Jell-O (was: Moondiscs)
Re: [B7L]Jell-O (was: Moondiscs)
[B7L] Re: Animals
[B7L] Animals
Re: [B7L] Re: Animals (Was Josette Simon)
Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)
Re: [B7L] Re: Animals (Was Josette Simon)
[B7L] Re: Model of Avon and possibly Blake
Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)
Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)
Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)
Re: [B7L] Unquestioning Faith
Re: [B7L] Re: Animals (Was Josette Simon)
Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)
Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)
Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)
Re: [B7L] Re: Jell-O/ jelly rebellion
Re: [B7L] Re: Animals (Was Josette Simon)
Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)
Re: [B7L] Re: Jell-O/ jelly rebellion
Re: [B7L] Re: Jell-O/ jelly rebellion
Fwd: Re: Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)
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Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 11:15:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Wendy S. Penberriss" <penberriss@yahoo.com>
To: Mat Shayde <dorian17@hotmail.com>, smanton@hotmail.com,
Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Model of Avon and possibly Blake
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--- Mat Shayde <dorian17@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Sorry to be a complete nuisance (no change there!)
> but could you re-post the
> link so I could look at the Avon model? I
> unfortunately (and accidently)
> deleted the message before I had the chance to
> follow it.
An Avon model?!? You've got my full attention.
Wendy (hormonally yours)
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Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 11:17:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Wendy S. Penberriss" <penberriss@yahoo.com>
To: Jurgen van de Sanden <blakes7@hotmail.com>, blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Animals (Was Josette Simon)
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I dunno-- there are other episodes which show Dayna as
more than just a killer (watch Ultraworld: she shows a
wicked sense of humour), and, though it was nice to
see her in love for a change, it did kind of surprise
me to see her going all moral over animal experiments
-- not what I expected from her, not because she's a
killer but because it doesn't strike me as the sort of
thing she thinks much about.
I heard somewhere that the episode was originally
written for Cally, not Dayna. Any thoughts on how it
might have been different if it had been played that
way?
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Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 07:52:22 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Model of Avon and possibly Blake
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On Mon 19 Jun, Mat Shayde wrote:
> Sorry to be a complete nuisance (no change there!) but could you re-post the
> link so I could look at the Avon model? I unfortunately (and accidently)
> deleted the message before I had the chance to follow it.
It's linked from the top page of http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7
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Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 16:36:00 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] signing in Barking
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Gareth says that the signing session at Tenth Planet (very close to Barking tube
station) on 1st July is now 1pm to 4pm rather than 12pm - 3pm, as that allows
him to get there and back in one day. (He lives in Scotland.)
Does anyone fancy meeting up for a while either before/during/after the session?
(Not with Gareth, I don't think he'll have the time free if he's doing that much
travelling.)
|Judith
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Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 11:51:14 -0700
From: Nick Moffitt <nick@zork.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] shooting question
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begin Christine+Steve quotation:
> Yep, its a very strange design to have the force wall controls down
> in the pit. Maybe the designers of the ship thought the crew would
> always use Zen to activate them rather than pressing the button
> themselves.
Well, in Duel, Avon was able to activate it and deactivate it
several times from his command chair.
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Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 11:56:28 -0700
From: Nick Moffitt <nick@zork.net>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: Digest format [was[B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #166]
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begin Calle Dybedahl quotation:
> Just to make sure, I compared one digest from back then and one from
> now, and they *are* built the same. So it pretty much has to be a
> mailreader issue.
There seems to be a lot of that going around lately.
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Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 12:00:15 -0700
From: Nick Moffitt <nick@zork.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Unquestioning Faith
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begin Ellynne G. quotation:
> > "No-one can break into my computer."
>
> Hey, I had a computer like that. Too obsolete to be compatible with
> anything. Instead of a password, you had to know exactly how to
> toggle the switch, wack it on the side, and push in the cord to get
> it turn on. 100% security.
>cough<
Security through obscurity is no security at all.
Now, if the cord were snipped, now THAT would be 100%!
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Date: Tue Jun 20 20:41:29 BST 2000
From: Ika <blake@gaudaprime.co.uk>
To: freedom-city@blakes-7.org
Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Request for pictures of Jarvik and Zelda
Message-Id: <200006201947.UAA29428@ns4.uk2net.com>
I've left everything till the last minute, as usual...
I have to hand in a paper on Blake's 7 in the next few days (what do you mean,
this isn't a proper course?) and I wanted pics of all the characters I referred
to, but I can't find any clickable pictures of Jarvik and Zelda anywhere on the
Web/Net (still don't know the difference). (I know Zelda just looks like Cally
in a hood, but I want to prove this to any non-fans!)
If anyone knows where I can find one, or has a jpeg of either or both
characters, I'd be very grateful if you could mail it to me.
Thanks very much!
Love,
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Date: Tue Jun 20 20:47:19 BST 2000
From: Ika <blake@gaudaprime.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Fwd: [B7L] Unquestioning Faith
Message-Id: <200006201952.UAA29689@ns4.uk2net.com>
Dana:
> I spend much of today having my computer repaired--the on/off switch broke
> off, which is one thing it HADN'T occurred to me to worry about! Watching
> Redemption last night, I certainly identified when Jenna called Blake over
> to her console when the controls stopped responding, and she snapped "I've
> DONE all that already!" when Blake tried to fix it.
>
> Throughout the series, there are innumerable takeovers of computer systems
> and ordinary malfunctions--but everyone seems to place absolute faith in the
> blasted things nevertheless--especially the teleport bracelets, which seem
> to malfunction as often as they actually work properly (in addition to being
> very vulnerable to removal by bad guys).
Yeah (why they didn't wear them round ankles or somewhere is beyond me.)
OTOH -is it unquestioning faith or is it just inevitable? In the old days
people worried about whether the sun was going to rise, and spent lots of time
doing rituals to make sure the cycle of seasons didn't malfunction, and after
one bad harvest they didn't say "Oh, sod it, we'll just get a takeaway" - and
I'm guessing you didn't give up on your computer when the switch broke and buy
a typewriter-and-abacus set (snazzy deskwear this season). It's a kind of
provisional absolute faith, because if you're going to be able to cope the
computers/teleport bracelets had *better* work, even though you know perfectly
well they might not.
I've confused myself now, I'm going.
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Date: Tue Jun 20 20:54:34 BST 2000
From: Ika <blake@gaudaprime.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Fwd: Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)
Message-Id: <200006202000.VAA29923@ns4.uk2net.com>
Margaret wrote:
> Marian wrote:
> >
> >Lisa Williams wrote:
> >(I'm having a hard enough time gritting my teeth and doing captures for
> >"Rumours", which is one of my least favorite episodes but which was a clear
> >front-runner in the votes so I'm going to do it and get it over with.)
> >
> >So I'm not the only one who dislikes that episode? [Although I do like the
> >opening scene - I love to see My Hero suffer a bit :-) ]
> >
>
> If it wasn't for Tarrant's performance, nothing could convince me to
> watch Rumours again. He's so entertaining. :) Although, I will grant
> that Servalan is interesting here too.
>
> To me, Avon always felt... *wrong* in Rumours. Too many things didn't
> seem to add up.
>
> Margaret.
I have to have my twopennyworth here: Rumours of Death was the episode that in
the course of fifty minutes, bare months ago, converted me from a long-term
scoffer and mocker at my two best mates into a raving, slavering, unable-to-
communicate-with-non-fans, fan. I love it. (And not a day passes in my
household without one of us saying to the other: "Have you [x]'d your way to
the wall of an underground room?" - in my case, usually 'played Tomb Raider
your way to the wall...')
Worth it for "It's an old wall, Avon, it waits" alone.
And Servalan's frock.
And has anyone noticed she has a statue of a nude lady on her desk?
Love,
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Date: Tue Jun 20 20:54:50 BST 2000
From: Ika <blake@gaudaprime.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Fwd: Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)
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Margaret wrote:
> Marian wrote:
> >
> >Lisa Williams wrote:
> >(I'm having a hard enough time gritting my teeth and doing captures for
> >"Rumours", which is one of my least favorite episodes but which was a clear
> >front-runner in the votes so I'm going to do it and get it over with.)
> >
> >So I'm not the only one who dislikes that episode? [Although I do like the
> >opening scene - I love to see My Hero suffer a bit :-) ]
> >
>
> If it wasn't for Tarrant's performance, nothing could convince me to
> watch Rumours again. He's so entertaining. :) Although, I will grant
> that Servalan is interesting here too.
>
> To me, Avon always felt... *wrong* in Rumours. Too many things didn't
> seem to add up.
>
> Margaret.
I have to have my twopennyworth here: Rumours of Death was the episode that in
the course of fifty minutes, bare months ago, converted me from a long-term
scoffer and mocker at my two best mates into a raving, slavering, unable-to-
communicate-with-non-fans, fan. I love it. (And not a day passes in my
household without one of us saying to the other: "Have you [x]'d your way to
the wall of an underground room?" - in my case, usually 'played Tomb Raider
your way to the wall...')
Worth it for "It's an old wall, Avon, it waits" alone.
And Servalan's frock.
And has anyone noticed she has a statue of a nude lady on her desk?
Love,
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Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 16:00:49 -0400
From: "Christine+Steve" <cgorman@idirect.com>
To: "B7 Mailing List" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] shooting question
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Nick added about the force wall :
>Well, in Duel, Avon was able to activate it and deactivate it
>several times from his command chair.
It was probably dependent on the director of that particular episode. If
they wanted it to look more dramatic, someone had to dart across the set to
the pit. Without being able to view my UK tapes here in Canada, I can't
tell which directors preferred which approach.
Steve Dobson.
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Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 16:54:59 +0200
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L]Jell-O (was: Moondiscs)
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In message <56AE25C909CED311BEA70000D11AD11E36BE31@l3c-xchg-
cse.mail.cse.l-3com.com>, Roberts, Patricia @ CSE <proberts@mail.cse.l-
3com.com> writes
>Jell-O is a form of dessert, a gelatin favored confection, comes in many
>flavors, cherry, orange, lime, grape. You can mold the Jell-O (its made
>with a dry mix and plain old water). It's not jelly.
>
The key phrase there was "For those of us who don't speak American
English":-) That which you have described is indeed jelly, as far as the
rest of us are concerned. Some of us can also obtain it in concentrate
blocks, which are quite interesting to eat without going to the bother
of mixing with hot water.
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Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 14:10:40 -0700
From: Nick Moffitt <nick@zork.net>
To: B7 Mailing List <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] shooting question
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begin Christine+Steve quotation:
> It was probably dependent on the director of that particular
> episode. If they wanted it to look more dramatic, someone had to
> dart across the set to the pit. Without being able to view my UK
> tapes here in Canada, I can't tell which directors preferred which
> approach.
True. In early episodes, whoever was in the uppermost chair
behind the flight console was able to handle communication stuff. In
one episode, avon had to dart to the pit to turn on the communication
again.
Perhaps they just constantly reconfigured the flight deck.
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Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 22:19:07 +0100
From: "Nyder" <nyder@moore.britishlibrary.net>
To: "Susan Moore" <Susan.Moore@uni.edu>, <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Jelly Rebellion
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----- Original Message -----
From: Susan Moore <Susan.Moore@uni.edu>
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Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: [B7L] Jelly Rebellion
> Mistral wrote:
> > Blake: I'll stick to the jam tart, thanks. Sorry, Avon, but that was a
> > terrible aspic.
>
> And how long have you been planning this pun? Excellent work!!
>
I once referred to the Doctor Who story "Genesis of the Daleks" as "Ravon: A
Terrible Prospect," but nobody got it.
Fiona
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Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 20:33:51 +0100
From: "Nyder" <nyder@moore.britishlibrary.net>
To: <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>, "Penny Dreadful" <pennydreadful@powersurfr.com>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Travis
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> >Happy?
>
> I feel all tingly.
Ahhh, if only everyone were as easy to satisfy...
Fiona
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Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 22:20:59 +0100
From: "Nyder" <nyder@moore.britishlibrary.net>
To: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>, "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L]Jell-O (was: Moondiscs)
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From: Neil Faulkner <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: b7 <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 6:50 PM
Subject: Re: [B7L]Jell-O (was: Moondiscs)
> I am actually quite partial to a peanut butter/lemon-and-lime marmalade
> sandwich.
Ick.
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Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 14:29:12 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: freedom-city@blakes-7.org
Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Request for pictures of Jarvik and Zelda
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You can find one of Jarvik (looking immaculately smug and macho) in the
Sevencyclopedia at
http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7/SevenCyc/J.html
There wasn't one of Zelda on the Z page yet, though there might be
*somewhere* in the whole work, I'm still working my way through them.
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Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 16:38:02 -0500
From: "Gerald Rocan" <grocan@home.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: Jell-O/ jelly rebellion
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Isobel said:
>Thanks very much Lisa and Judith, thats just what I was after!
(I don't think jello/y would be very good to make one out of though.. too
wibbly!)<
You might try reducing the water by at least half. When my kids were
little, I tried the recipe on the Jell-O box for 'Jell-O Jigglers'. The
result was a much firmer gelatin that could be cut into shapes with cookie
cutters. With a little effort, you might be able to come up with a moondisc
shape.
As for Mistral's Jelly Rebellion, I think that was a hoot! Very creative
and caused a few giggles over here in Canada!
-Sue
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Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 22:08:14 +0100
From: "Isobel Gordon" <isobel@ussenterprise.ndo.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)
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On Tuesday, June 20, 2000 9:54 PM, Ika wrote:
> Worth it for "It's an old wall, Avon, it waits" alone.
>
> And Servalan's frock.
I definitely agree, and the whole chained up thing.
> And has anyone noticed she has a statue of a nude lady on her desk?
Not noticed that, <considers the implications of nude statuary> what like,
an arty classical-esque nude? <note to self, pay way more attention> :-)
Izzy
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Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 07:52:00 EST
From: "Jessica Taylor" <morgaine54@hotmail.com>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L]Jell-O (was: Moondiscs)
Message-ID: <20000620215201.13251.qmail@hotmail.com>
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>From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
>To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
>Subject: Re: [B7L]Jell-O (was: Moondiscs)
>Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 18:50:40 +0100
>
>Una wrote:
> > So a peanut butter and jelly sandwich is actually marginally less
>revolting
> > sounding than you might think.
Then Neil responded:
>I am actually quite partial to a peanut butter/lemon-and-lime marmalade
>sandwich.
Peanut butter and Crab-apple jelly is nice too.
Jessica
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Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 16:27:19 -0600
From: Penny Dreadful <pennydreadful@powersurfr.com>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L]Jell-O (was: Moondiscs)
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At 07:52 AM 6/21/00 -0500, Jessica Taylor wrote:
>Then Neil responded:
>>I am actually quite partial to a peanut butter/lemon-and-lime marmalade
>>sandwich.
>
>Peanut butter and Crab-apple jelly is nice too.
The only important factor in whether or not a peanut butter and anything
sandwich is disgusting is whether it's real peanut butter or that vile
sweet whipped homogenized stuff. Skippy and its ilk.
ObB7: Mmm, peanut butter and Shadow sandwiches! They're dreamy!
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Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 23:50:32 +0100
From: Steve Rogerson <steve.rogerson@mcr1.poptel.org.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Animals
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Iain wrote:
>On Sun, 18 Jun 2000, Una McCormack wrote:
>
>> Lisa Williams wrote:
>>
>> > For the record, "Animals" did get *two* votes last time.
>>
>> What?!? That absolutely beggars belief!
>>
>
>Come on, Rogerson, own up.
Not guilty, I think. I don't remember voting at all, but I probably
would vote for Animals if I did. Remind me next time it comes up and
I'll vote. As I've said before, I love Animals because of David Boyce's
excellent character acting.
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Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 17:01:27 -0600
From: Penny Dreadful <pennydreadful@powersurfr.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Animals
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I gotta say I thought it was better than "Stardrive".
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Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 19:32:12 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Animals (Was Josette Simon)
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Wendy wrote:
<I heard somewhere that the episode was originally written for Cally, not
Dayna. Any thoughts on how it might have been different if it had been
played that way?>
Slightly more coherent, for a start?
And Penny wrote:
<I gotta say I thought it was better than "Stardrive".>
*Everything* was better than Stardrive, include the lost episodes ...
"Attack of the Killer Discounts" in which the Liberator crew found out that
the crystals the ship ran on could *actually* be bought for three credits
each at Cheap-n-Cheerful outlets all over the galaxy, and - well - went and
bought some;
"A Clean Ship is a Angsty Ship" where the ex-Liberator crew have to learn to
deal with a non-self-cleaning environment, and Avon is desperately torn
between two brands of studs cleaner;
"Not-Quite-DeathtrapWorld" in which Blake's crew go to a three-day rebel
meet on a nice, neutral, quite civilised planet, and take in some shopping,
sight-seeing and a whole lot of paperwork for The Cause;
"Plague" in which our Brave and Long-Suffering Heroes all catch
Cassiona-turkey flu and come out in itchy blotches, Avon loses his voice for
four days (this was a very *quiet* episode), and Orac has to play nurse to
the whole lot of them;
"Softly, Please Softly" in which Dayna, having become bored with the lyre,
takes up the tuba instead;
and
"Pressure Points" where Our Heroines, having dealt fearlessly with phibians,
monster spiders, Goths, Visigoths, Andromedans, headless (and two-headed)
androids, warg-stranglers *and* strangled (and very annoyed) wargs, then
break the heels of their stilettos and simultaneously go to pieces (I was
especially moved by the scene where Gan gallantly offers Jenna and Cally his
boots - they can each fit both feet in one.)
PS - I don't much care for Stardrive, can you tell? ;-)
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Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 19:34:57 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)
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After Marian wrote: <So I'm not the only one who dislikes that episode?>
Lisa answered:
<I expect we're in a small minority, but no, you're not entirely alone.>
There's stuff about it I like (the Beautiful Suffering and angst and the way
he looks so good while suffering and angsting; Greenlee and Forres; Shrinker
works a treat for me and the scene where they're all taunting him, nasty but
very real) but all in all it doesn't work as well for me as I would like. I
am sincerely unimpressed by the Love of Avon's Life once we meet her, so
find myself more inclined to thump him for being so silly than empathise in
his Great Romance.
Mind you, one has to give Paul Darrow points for *carrying* the Great
Romance story all on his lonesome, when [a] the two of them have all of five
minutes screen-time together, and [b] they have - purely IMHO - no chemistry
at all when they do meet.
The crew interaction is all right, but hardly top-class considering what
they have to work with (and I actively hate the bit where they're being so
patronising towards My Darling.)
Servalan is more interesting as prisoner than she ever was as President. I
do wish that, in 4th season, they'd actually made her more desperate and
scrambling and hopeless, trying to claw back her power and failing
disastrously, rather than being given a McGuffin to facilitate her slow,
steady (and sometimes rather smug) rise. Servalan as
has-been-and-will-never-be-again had much more possibilities ... JMHO.
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Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:13:07 EST
From: "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Animals (Was Josette Simon)
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>From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
>"Pressure Points" where Our Heroines, having dealt fearlessly with
>phibians, monster spiders, Goths, Visigoths,
Ostrogoths and Vandals too, I presume?
Regards
Joanne
(prepared to prod Sally if this piece of history looks like coming to a .)
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Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 00:26:52 EDT
From: JEB31538@cs.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Model of Avon and possibly Blake
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> From: "Mat Shayde" <dorian17@hotmail.com>
> Sorry to be a complete nuisance (no change there!) but could you re-post
the
> > link so I could look at the Avon model? I unfortunately (and accidently)
> deleted the message before I had the chance to follow it.
http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7
Go to Judith Proctor's site and scroll down. You'll find the Avon model
mention eventually. As of now, the Avon model is a reality and can be
bought. The Blake model in being done now, but isn't ready to be ordered.
If you are interested in Blake and/or if you have a third model that you
would like to see come out, PLEASE INFORM Judith Proctor whom you are
interested in and she will relay the information to the proper source.
It's very important that everyone who is interested in the models speaks up
now and lets the model maker know the extent of the interest. Judith will
relay the data.
Joyce
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Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 23:09:33 -0600
From: Penny Dreadful <pennydreadful@powersurfr.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)
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At 07:34 PM 6/20/00 -0700, Sally Manton wrote:
>After Marian wrote: <So I'm not the only one who dislikes that episode?>
>
>Lisa answered:
><I expect we're in a small minority, but no, you're not entirely alone.>
When the Other List (the list of evil and chaos) was reviewing "Rumours of
Death" (hereafter known as RoD) I was astounded at the amount of negativity
and/or ambivalence expressed toward it, given that:
(a) it's a vehicle for Avon
(b) I am part of the miniscule and oppressed minority who are not Mad for Avon
(c) RoD is (up until that point I would have said "nevertheless") one of my
favourite episodes.
Now I wonder -- is RoD more popular among those who are *not* Mad for Avon
than among those who are? Is it only popular among sappy sentimental souls
like me (er, no offense Ika)? Una? U-u-una...
--Penny (Insert Humorous Emoticons As Necessary)
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Date: 21 Jun 2000 07:37:16 +0200
From: Calle Dybedahl <calle@lysator.liu.se>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)
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>>>>> "Penny" == Penny Dreadful <pennydreadful@powersurfr.com> writes:
> Now I wonder -- is RoD more popular among those who are *not* Mad for Avon
> than among those who are? Is it only popular among sappy sentimental souls
> like me (er, no offense Ika)? Una? U-u-una...
Well, I like it and I'm nowhere close to being an Avon-fanatic. I
mean, it's got a bondage-scene with Servalan. How can you possibly go
wrong with that? :-)
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Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 22:54:22 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)
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Perplexed Penny asked:
<Now I wonder - is RoD more popular among those who are *not* Mad for Avon
than among those who are? Is it only popular among sappy sentimental souls
like me (er, no offense Ika)?>
Oh, I'm sentimental enough (but possibly not *romantically* inclined enough)
- just watch me watching Zen's death or the end of 'Blake'. And while I
don't think *anyone* here would dispute my credentials as Mad for and about
Avon, but I know there are other Avon-lovers who simply *adore* this one.
Could one factor be what reaction we have to Anna/Sula? I mean, if you think
she's wonderful (as you are fully entitled to do), then yes, it's a
full-blown romantic tragedy. If OTOH you are Sally, and (in a blatant
display of unmitigated not-taking-to-someone) think she has the soul of a
loathsome spotted toad and a voice like fingernails on a blackboard, you are
more inclined to wonder what the hell got into the Beloved Idiot to waste
all that time and effort and emotion on her. Which does sort of put a crimp
in the romance and the sentiment.
Now had it been someone like Levett (MoD)...
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Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 20:02:48 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Unquestioning Faith
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On Tue 20 Jun, Ellynne G. wrote:
> > "It must be right: the computer says so."
>
> Yes, reminds me of the story of some scientists who did an experiment
> giving kids faulty calculators and telling them to do a problem both with
> and without the calculator, then pick the answer they thought was right.
> The faulty calculator's was usually chosen even when the kids had figured
> the correct answer by themselves.
This may partially relate to conformity as well as to lack of confidence in
their own math ability. People tend to do what other people do and it may apply
to machines as well.
I'd be interested to see what result the experiment got if another pupil was
consulted instead of the calculator. I'd give moderate odds that they'd agree
with the other child whether right or wrong. (not all the time, but a good
chunk of it, and if two other children both claimed the same wrong answer then
the odds of conformity become higher.)
Judith (who hasn't yet had time to forget all the stuff she crammed for her
psychology exam last week.)
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Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 20:04:56 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Animals (Was Josette Simon)
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On Tue 20 Jun, Wendy S. Penberriss wrote:
> I dunno-- there are other episodes which show Dayna as
> more than just a killer (watch Ultraworld: she shows a
> wicked sense of humour), and, though it was nice to
> see her in love for a change, it did kind of surprise
> me to see her going all moral over animal experiments
> -- not what I expected from her, not because she's a
> killer but because it doesn't strike me as the sort of
> thing she thinks much about.
>
> I heard somewhere that the episode was originally
> written for Cally, not Dayna. Any thoughts on how it
> might have been different if it had been played that
> way?
I think Cally's telepathy would have made more sense in the scene where Dayna
goes out to see if she can gain Og's trust. After all, she has just shot at the
animals!
Telepathy would have been contact in a way that Og would find easy to
understand.
Judith
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Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 16:48:29 EST
From: "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)
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>From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
>If OTOH you are Sally, and (in a blatant
>display of unmitigated not-taking-to-someone) think she has the soul of a
>loathsome spotted toad
<grin> Say what you really feel, Sally!
>and a voice like fingernails on a blackboard,
Actually, the actress tends to "trill" like a canary, or so it seems to
me...
>Now had it been someone like Levett (MoD)...
Yes, I can see that, but not for very long. More likely than Soolin,
however...
Regards
Joanne
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Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 01:43:42 -0600
From: Penny Dreadful <pennydreadful@powersurfr.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)
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At 07:37 AM 6/21/00 +0200, Calle Dybedahl wrote:
>it's got a bondage-scene with Servalan. How can you possibly go
>wrong with that? :-)
The man's got a point.
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Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 02:03:07 -0600
From: Penny Dreadful <pennydreadful@powersurfr.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)
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At 10:54 PM 6/20/00 -0700, Sally Manton wrote:
>Could one factor be what reaction we have to Anna/Sula?
I am totally neutral on the character/portrayal of Anna, I swear. Mind you
I figure if Avon chose to throw his life away for her, *he* must have seen
something in her. Still...shrug. I find it impossible to articulate what it
*is* about said episode I find so utterly enthralling.
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Date: Wed, 21 Jun 100 09:58:38 +0200 (CEST)
From: "Jeroen J. Kwast" <jeroenkw@gns.getronics.nl>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Jell-O/ jelly rebellion
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Hi,
Anyone know how to make some Jelly/O here in Holland? (Ingredients) I never tasted it /made it or saw someone else eat it except on TV!
Jeroen
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Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 10:24:18 CEST
From: "Jurgen van de Sanden" <blakes7@hotmail.com>
To: penberriss@yahoo.com, blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Animals (Was Josette Simon)
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Wendy,
You're right that there are other episodes which show Dayna as more than
just a killer. An interesting line in 'Animals' was "They were never toys.
Even less so no". It seemed that Dayna, after all she had been through as a
member of the Liberator/Scorpio crew, had come to realise that you don't
just kill for the fun of it. In other words, she had become more mature.
Yes, it was surprising that Dayna went all moral about the genetic
experiments, although other episodes show that she does have morals. It's
interesting that Dayna seems to be the one who objects most to Avon's
indirect killing of Dr Plaxton. Perhaps Dayna objected so much to Justin's
work, because she thought Justin was some kind of hero who couldn't do
anything wrong? She soon found out that he too had his faults and is
obviously very irritated by this discovery. Isn't it like that when you are
in love? You create an ideal image of your loved one and don't want to see
the bad points.
Then there's also the possibility that Dayna was influenced by Cally's
moralising. Still, it's most likely that the rather strange charactisation
is the result of the fact that the episode was originally written for Cally.
But once again I have to say that Josette is excellent as Dayna. She really
manages to make the episode believable to me.
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Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 10:07:50 +0100 (BST)
From: Iain Coleman <ijc@bsfiles.nerc-bas.ac.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)
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On Tue, 20 Jun 2000, Penny Dreadful wrote:
>
> Now I wonder -- is RoD more popular among those who are *not* Mad for Avon
> than among those who are? Is it only popular among sappy sentimental souls
> like me (er, no offense Ika)? Una? U-u-una...
Well, I like it, and I'm not Mad for Avon. Nor am I often described as
sentimental.
Iain
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Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 11:28:44 +0200
From: Jacqueline Thijsen <inquisitioner@wish.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Jell-O/ jelly rebellion
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At 09:58 21-6-00, Jeroen J. Kwast wrote:
>Anyone know how to make some Jelly/O here in Holland? (Ingredients) I
>never tasted it /made it or saw someone else eat it except on TV!
I've seen it being sold in some supermarkets under that very name. It's a
small rectangular package, and can be found among the instant pudding
powders. Try some of the really big supermarkets, they're more likely to
have it in stock than the small corner stores. I wouldn't recommend it for
the taste, though. It's pretty much what you'd get if you mixed lemonade or
fruit juice with gelatine.
Jacqueline
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Date: Wed, 21 Jun 100 14:15:48 +0200 (CEST)
From: "Jeroen J. Kwast" <jeroenkw@gns.getronics.nl>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Jell-O/ jelly rebellion
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Hello,
>
<knip>
> I've seen it being sold in some supermarkets under that very name. It's a
> small rectangular package, and can be found among the instant pudding
> powders. Try some of the really big supermarkets, they're more likely to
> have it in stock than the small corner stores. I wouldn't recommend it for
> the taste, though. It's pretty much what you'd get if you mixed lemonade or
> fruit juice with gelatine.
>
> Jacqueline
>
Thanx, I'll look for it tonight. I'm sure the flavor is ok. I always wanted to wobble the plate with some yello on it! :)
If nothing else I could make some moondisks ! ;)
Jeroen
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Date: Wed Jun 21 13:34:34 BST 2000
From: Ika <blake@gaudaprime.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Fwd: Re: Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)
Message-Id: <200006211239.NAA04939@ns4.uk2net.com>
> To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
> From: "Isobel Gordon" <isobel@ussenterprise.ndo.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)
> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 22:08:14 +0100
> On Tuesday, June 20, 2000 9:54 PM, Ika wrote:
>
> > Worth it for "It's an old wall, Avon, it waits" alone.
> >
> > And Servalan's frock.
>
> I definitely agree, and the whole chained up thing.
Oh yes. And the *intensity* of the acting in the Avon/Servalan scene... feel
those egos crackle.
>
> > And has anyone noticed she has a statue of a nude lady on her desk?
>
> Not noticed that, <considers the implications of nude statuary> what like,
> an arty classical-esque nude? <note to self, pay way more attention> :-)
>
> Izzy
Yes - an arty one. She may actually have some kind of drapery on,
but I haven't looked too closely because I like her better if
she's a nude. (Implications: well, Egrorian and Pindar have a nude statue of a
boy - I think it's a replica of Michaelangelo's David - in their cupboard. So
far these are the only two nude statues I have noticed in Blake's 7, but since I
saw the David replica I've been keeping an eye out for them)
Love,
Ika
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