From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se
Subject: blakes7-d Digest V00 #170
X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se
X-Mailing-List: <blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se> archive/volume00/170
Precedence: list
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------"
To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se
Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
------------------------------
Content-Type: text/plain
blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 170
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L] Re: Animals (Was Josette Simon)
Re: [B7L] Animals
Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)
Re: [B7L] Re: Jell-O/ jelly rebellion
Re: [B7L] Re: Animals (Was Josette Simon)
[B7L] Dr. Who Novelization
[B7L] Stardrive (was Animals)
Re: [B7L] Re: Travis
[B7L] Jello talk
[B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #168
Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #168
[B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #168
[B7L] Re: Servalan's decor
[B7L] Re: Lost episodes
[B7L] Re:Rumours of Death
[B7L] The Actor Speaks
Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)
[B7L] Jello talk
Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #168
Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #168
Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)
Re: [B7L] Jello talk
Re: [B7L] Other peoples mail
Re: Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)
Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #168
Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)
[B7L] Re: Liberator crew size
[B7L] Paul Darrow in "Murder Must Advertise"
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 05:41:25 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Animals (Was Josette Simon)
Message-ID: <20000621124125.34656.qmail@hotmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
After I reviewed :
< "Pressure Points" where Our Heroines, having dealt fearlessly with
phibians, monster spiders, Goths, Visigoths,>
Joanne queried:
<Ostrogoths and Vandals too, I presume?>
Not Vandals, surely. They're part of Blake's and Avon's crews, going round
the galaxy Blowing Stuff Up for Freedom (and thanks to the enthusiastic if
underpaid SFX men recruited by the BBC - sorry, the rebellion - blowing them
up quite enthusiastically.)
Our Heroines *are* the Vandals.
________________________________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
------------------------------
Date: Wed Jun 21 13:43:20 BST 2000
From: Ika <blake@gaudaprime.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Animals
Message-Id: <200006211248.NAA05024@ns4.uk2net.com>
Penny:
> I gotta say I thought it was better than "Stardrive".
> ______________________________
> "No rules, no naps, no shoes!"
I liked "Stardrive." I was trying to watch S4 in order but my two mentors
refused to watch Stardrive & Animals with me, so I waited till they fell asleep
in front of Dawn of the Gods and then watched them on my own, and I loved 'em.
Particularly Stardrive - a pre-Orbit Avon's-lost-it blockbuster of a story with
punks and a hardcore headmistress-type scientist in. Plus lots of jokes about
how punks - sorry, I mean Space Rats - will do anything for "speed" (and even
more than that for Shadow?)
Love Ika
----------------------------------------------------------
This message was sent using http://uk2.net
UK's FREE Domains, FREE Dialup, FREE Webdesign, FREE email
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 14:09:41 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)
Message-ID: <02df01bfdb81$fe781550$0d01a8c0@codex>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Penny wrote:
> Now I wonder -- is RoD more popular among those who are *not* Mad for Avon
> than among those who are? Is it only popular among sappy sentimental souls
> like me (er, no offense Ika)? Una? U-u-una...
You rang?
RoD? Love it. Anna Grant is a fab character, and I blub at the end. And, of
course, there's Forress and Grenlee. And my two most-used quotes...
'Some days are better than others, section leader,' and the immortal: 'I
only drink to be sociable. Cheers, Orac.'
Una
PS Penny, your remark that you liked 'Animals' more than 'Stardrive' could
well be the first step towards ending the holy Travis war...
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 09:27:59 EDT
From: Tigerm1019@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Jell-O/ jelly rebellion
Message-ID: <a1.6f499c0.26821cdf@aol.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
In a message dated 06/21/2000 7:17:03 AM Central Daylight Time,
jeroenkw@gns.getronics.nl writes:
> Thanx, I'll look for it tonight. I'm sure the flavor is ok. I always wanted
> to wobble the plate with some yello on it! :)
>
> If nothing else I could make some moondisks ! ;)
I recommend the cherry flavor. Orange is also pretty good, with shredded
pineapple in it.
Or you could combine the two to get the proper color for moondiscs. ;-)
Tiger M
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 23:03:38 -0600
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Animals (Was Josette Simon)
Message-ID: <20000621.074514.-96229.0.rilliara@juno.com>
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 19:32:12 PDT "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
writes:
> Wendy wrote:
> <I heard somewhere that the episode was originally written for
> Cally, not
> Dayna. Any thoughts on how it might have been different if it had
> been
> played that way?>
>
> Slightly more coherent, for a start?
Well, let's see.
Cally teleports down to meet up with an _Auron_ scientist, automatically
making the guy's dislike of unknown, human guests more understandable
along with his reluctance to join them. I suppose he's a fellow exile -
banished for illegal experiments or did he leave on his own? Biological
manipulation would be more firmly established as an Auron speciality
(actually adding some unity to The Web and Children). Cally would get to
be shocked at the moral depths one of her _own_ people had fallen to
(always more disturbing).
There also might be a lot more involved in asking her to leave the
Liberator. For Dayna, that's a choice between leaving a lifestyle she's
fairly comfortable with (and her revenge plans) for a life she would find
calm and bland but with the man she loved. For Cally, it would mean a
much bigger conflict. _Does_ she want to stay on the Liberator? _Does_
she still want to carry on an increasingly futile fight? Does she
believe they're still fighting in any real sense? And what about the
personal element? Would she have to confront feelings she has for Avon
and whether she ever expects them to be returned? Or does she still
_want_ them returned? And does she still love Justin (was that his
name?) or would she be considering settling down with one of the very few
of her own people left, one she certainly does care for, in what seems to
be a safe harbor at last because she realizes it may be the best offer
she's going to get? Would the sheer lonliness of two isolated telepaths
be a factor?
And, if she didn't love him in the first place, what should we make of
Justin's demand that Servalan _make_ her love him? Would this be the
moment when we realized how depraved he really is? Or would he have
blinded himself to her real feelings, so he thought this was restoring
reality? Or could the actor have walked a thin line, convincing us that
here was a man with some good characteristics - love for Cally and a
concern for her that outweighed his personal well-being - who blinded
himself to the twisted evil he was justifying? Would it be a reflection
of his whole treatment of the animals and those human prisoners, a moment
that crystalized how wrong he was while still allowing him some sympathy?
And what about the aversion therapy? Could it have been something more
credible? OK, sure, Cally is always getting grief for being taken over
by aliens (twice), but might it be too cliched to suppose Servalan had
some crude tools for doing something similar? More toys handed over by
those Auron defectors? A few thingies rescued from Auron and adapted to
a very nasty purpose?
And why go through all this trouble if it only works on Aurons (and maybe
not all Aurons, allowing Justin a little more plot leeway)? Is it just
because Cally is part of the crew? Or did Servalan have a special
dislike for her? Did she see her as a potential _rival_? Did she give a
delighted smile when Justin demands she be conditioned to love him, like
the one she gives when she agrees to tell Avon all about Bartholomew?
If the aversion therapy was designed specifically for Aurons (say, this
scenario has Justin as an exiled/defecting Auron scientist. What are the
story implications if _he_ sold this to the Federation [which goes a long
way toward explaining why it wouldn't work on him]?), this would draw
another parallel between how Justin treats Cally and how he treats his
experiments.
Then there's the ending. I'd love to see Cally's reunion with the crew
after this, especially Avon.
Drat, I do _not_ have time to work on a fanfic right now.
>
> And Penny wrote:
> <I gotta say I thought it was better than "Stardrive".>
>
> *Everything* was better than Stardrive, include the lost episodes
> ...
And I thought I had an evil sense of humor. I bow before the master.
Ellynne
________________________________________________________________
YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET!
Juno now offers FREE Internet Access!
Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit:
http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 11:35:51 -0400
From: "Dana Shilling" <dshilling@worldnet.att.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Dr. Who Novelization
Message-ID: <019301bfdb97$5183ccc0$84684e0c@dshilling>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Slightly off topic, but this is from my "Other Other List"
(Shaksper@ws.bowiestate.edu)
and thought it might be of interest.
-(Y)
> To:The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 11.1252 Wednesday, 21 June 2000.
>
> From: Andrew McAleer <Andrew.McAleer@itpuk.co.uk>
> Date: Tuesday, 20 Jun 2000 14:42:33 +0100
> Subject: Character Biblio Addition
>
> I have an addition for the list of publications that feature Shakespeare
> as a character, and it's an unusual one. It's a Doctor Who book, in the
> 'Missing Adventures' range. It's called Empire of Glass and it's by Andy
> Lane. It was published by Virgin in 1995. In the book, Shakespeare is
> moonlighting as a spy for the Jacobean court and is undercover in
> Venice. He returns to London just in time to play Lady Macbeth for a
> performance in front of King James.
>
> Andrew McAleer
> Editorial Assistant
> Thomson Learning
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 11:37:04 -0400
From: "Christine+Steve" <cgorman@idirect.com>
To: "B7 Mailing List" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Stardrive (was Animals)
Message-ID: <001d01bfdb96$a1408240$f2039ad8@cgorman>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Ika wrote :
> I liked "Stardrive." I was trying to watch S4 in order but my two mentors
> refused to watch Stardrive & Animals with me, so I waited till they fell
asleep
> in front of Dawn of the Gods and then watched them on my own, and I loved
'em.
> Particularly Stardrive - a pre-Orbit Avon's-lost-it blockbuster of a story
with
> punks and a hardcore headmistress-type scientist in. Plus lots of jokes
about
> how punks - sorry, I mean Space Rats - will do anything for "speed" (and
even
> more than that for Shadow?)
Oh me too, I think its a pretty good episode . Great final scene with Avon
virtually ordering the death of the scientist woman to save the ship.
Steve Dobson
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 15:16:04 -0400
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "Blake's 7 (Lysator)" <BLAKES7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Travis
Message-ID: <200006211516_MC2-A9A7-621A@compuserve.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Disposition: inline
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Ika wrote about the similarities between Blake and Travis:
>(Plus the "ouch" moment - thinking of the end of
> Series 4 - when the old bloke asks where Blake's
>eyepatch is....)
There are some interesting similarities between the scene in Star One where
Travis is shot and the scene in Blake where Blake is shot. Avon and two or
three others burst into some sort of control room to find a wounded
crewmate (Blake or Tarrant). Avon shoots well-known one-eyed man whom he
assumes (rightly or wrongly) is responsible for crewmate's injuries, not to
mention a large-scale act of treachery. Avon is actually about to stand
over Travis's body when Cally calls him to Blake's side. Actually, this
bit happens back to front - Avon's standing over Travis to check that he is
dead, killed by Blake, and shoots him later when it turns out he isn't. In
Blake, of course, he shoots Blake before standing over him.
Harriet
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 19:28:34 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Jello talk
Message-ID: <395179D2.507D@jps.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> and jam jam.
> Vila: Jelly and jam-jam?
> Blake: We'll divide them with their common language. The two sides will
> become so polarized that the planet will never unite, and the
> Federation will never be formed!
> Avon: Thus creating the Tower of Babel out of gelatine. I always
> suspected that you had delusions of godhood.
Damn, I'm too hot too laugh, but I'm smiling so wide my eyes are tearing
up. I can SO picture this. I think I like Vila's lines best.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 19:33:34 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #168
Message-ID: <39517AFD.3AA5@jps.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> Yep, its a very strange design to have the force wall controls down in the
> pit. Maybe the designers of the ship thought the crew would always use Zen
> to activate them rather than pressing the button themselves.
>
> Steve Dobson.
I think the Liberator was *supposed* to have enough people that one
person could just stand there and press the button. 5-6 people do not
make a full complement for a ship that size.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 20:24:08 -0700
From: Nick Moffitt <nick@zork.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #168
Message-ID: <20000621202408.J32679@zork.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
begin Helen Krummenacker quotation:
> I think the Liberator was *supposed* to have enough people that one
> person could just stand there and press the button. 5-6 people do not
> make a full complement for a ship that size.
This, of course, makes the whole "why doesn't Blake invite
more people on to his crew?" bit the more ridiculous. Sadly, we all
know that the budget for the show did not allow for any more regular
cast members.
--
CrackMonkey.Org - Non-sequitur arguments and ad-hominem personal attacks
LinuxCabal.Org - Co-location facilities and meeting space
Pigdog.Org - The Online Handbook for Bad People of the Future
You are not entitled to your opinions.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 19:38:33 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #168
Message-ID: <39517C29.5A63@jps.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> Yes, reminds me of the story of some scientists who did an experiment
> giving kids faulty calculators and telling them to do a problem both with
> and without the calculator, then pick the answer they thought was right.
> The faulty calculator's was usually chosen even when the kids had figured
> the correct answer by themselves.
>
I would have figured I was having problems hitting the buttons right
(calculator buttons are too tiny for human use) and kept my answer. I've
always annoyed people by using pape and pencil to total up lolng
columns... but there I can *see* if things are right-- a number won't
get cleared out and leave me confused. I work on my own, someone else
uses a calculator, and I'll have the right answer. On the other hand,
I'll take a caculator for cosines and such.
> Unlike certain kids in a certain math class I could tell you about, who
> were always convinced they had found a mistake in the book when the
> answers in the back were different from the answers they'd figured out.
>
> Something tells me Avon had ancestors in this class.
Ellynne, would that make you and I great-(etc) grandmothers of Avon?
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 19:42:00 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Servalan's decor
Message-ID: <39517CF8.14D@jps.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> And Servalan's frock.
>
> And has anyone noticed she has a statue of a nude lady on her desk?
>
> Love,
> Ika
>
With her vanity, I'd guess maybe she modelled for it?
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 19:46:28 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Lost episodes
Message-ID: <39517E04.2FD6@jps.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sally Manton, we want scripts for these! Dialogue and costume
descriptions. They are so.... original.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 19:56:26 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re:Rumours of Death
Message-ID: <3951805A.49F9@jps.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>
> Now I wonder -- is RoD more popular among those who are *not* Mad for Avon
> than among those who are? Is it only popular among sappy sentimental souls
> like me (er, no offense Ika)? Una? U-u-una...
>
> --Penny (Insert Humorous Emoticons As Necessary)
Well, I'm mad about Avon, but mentally rather than hormonally, by and
large... a Kindred Spirit, not a Slaverer. I have believed there are
amazing hidden depths to Anna/Sula, that one would have to have been in
Avon's shoes to know.
Anyhow, for me the thing that I loved absolute best about the episode
was the troopers tending the moniters. They made me think a bit of when
we see the rebels more relaxed moments. Vila-esque, really. That was
such a change from the faceless killer troopers. It's the most human
moment we ever see among the 'enemy'.
But I liked the whole episode.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 21:07:44 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
cc: Freedom City <freedom-city@blakes-7.org>
Subject: [B7L] The Actor Speaks
Message-ID: <Marcel-1.46-0621200744-ab5Rr9i@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII
For those who can't make the signing on 1st July in Barking, but would like an
autographed copy of Garath's 'The Actor Speaks' CD (or any Soldiers of Love CD
that he's on for that matter) I'm happy to take pre-orders and get them signed
for you at the session. Though it's obviously more interesting to get it signed
in person, this can be tricky if you live in the wrong country or the wrong
part of England.
It won't add anything to the cost of the CD.
If you order the CD via http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 just put a message in the
'comments' section of the order saying whom you want the autograph to be signed
to.
Judith
PS. Mark has a range of signed photos and scripts available. If anyone wants
items signed by Michael Keating, Jackie Pearce or Jan Chappell, drop me a line
and I'll check what's available.
--
http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs,
pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth
Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.knightwriter.org )
Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 08:05:42 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)
Message-ID: <000d01bfdc18$70937120$e535fea9@neilfaulkner>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Penny wrote:
>Now I wonder - is RoD more popular among those who are *not* Mad for Avon
> than among those who are? Is it only popular among sappy sentimental souls
> like me (er, no offense Ika)?
I am most definitely not Mad For Avon, and RoD is up there in my Top 5.
OTOH, I'm not a sappy sentimental soul either (says he whose only DVD
purchase to date is the not-remotely-sentimental Excalibur) and RoD is still
up there in my Top 5.
Sally wrote:
> Could one factor be what reaction we have to Anna/Sula?
I suspect this is what it really all comes down to.
>I mean, if you think
> she's wonderful (as you are fully entitled to do), then yes, it's a
> full-blown romantic tragedy.
I quite like Anna - she's petite and waifish yet with ruthless ambition and
a finely honed practical mind. But I wouldn't call her 'wonderful'. Not
that it's the 'romantic tragedy' aspect RoD that appeals anyway. I like RoD
for the politics, the script (with its witty one-liners and the way it's a
classic example of Boucheresque plotstrand convergence), the battle scene,
the critique of revenge and obsession. All the moonlit slinking around the
mansion is very atmospheric, Grenlee and Forres make a good double-act, and
all the regular characters have their moments (another Boucher touch). Anna
doesn't really figure large in the equation.
I do think, though, that it was very sensible to cast her as someone whose
strengths lay predominantly in her character rather than her appearance - a
glamorous Anna wouldn't have worked half as well. (Not that I think that
RoD detractors actually wanted a glamorous Anna, though I may be wrong.)
Neil
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 23:40:39 -0600
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Jello talk
Message-ID: <20000621.235034.-76285.2.rilliara@juno.com>
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
I'm not sure how this ties in, but I understand one of the pins they're
selling to raise money for the 2002 Olympics is a green jell-o salad pin.
It sort of reflects local cuisine and culture, I understand.
Doubtless a clever plan of Blake's, launching his plan when the whole
world can argue over whether it's a jell-o or jelly pin.
Ellynne (who has no intention of attending the Olympics and being caught
in the crossfire, thank you very much).
________________________________________________________________
YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET!
Juno now offers FREE Internet Access!
Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit:
http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 23:34:46 -0600
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #168
Message-ID: <20000621.235034.-76285.0.rilliara@juno.com>
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> >
> > Something tells me Avon had ancestors in this class.
>
> Ellynne, would that make you and I great-(etc) grandmothers of Avon?
>
Uhm, actually, I was thinking of the really obnoxious kid who, come to
think of it, had very dark hair and eyes but fair skin. I actually
double checked my work if the book had a different answer.
Besides, if Avon was a relative of mine, I'd feel too obligated to make
him start acting his age.
Ellynne
________________________________________________________________
YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET!
Juno now offers FREE Internet Access!
Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit:
http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 23:36:14 -0600
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #168
Message-ID: <20000621.235034.-76285.1.rilliara@juno.com>
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
On Wed, 21 Jun 2000 20:24:08 -0700 Nick Moffitt <nick@zork.net> writes:
> begin Helen Krummenacker quotation:
> > I think the Liberator was *supposed* to have enough people that
> one
> > person could just stand there and press the button. 5-6 people do
> not
> > make a full complement for a ship that size.
>
>
> This, of course, makes the whole "why doesn't Blake invite
> more people on to his crew?" bit the more ridiculous.
Oh, but they did. This is another one of the unaired episodes, the one
that led directly to the "We don't let anyone on board the ship unless
everyone agrees and Orac has checked them out" rule.
Ellynne
________________________________________________________________
YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET!
Juno now offers FREE Internet Access!
Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit:
http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 15:12:50 -0600
From: Penny Dreadful <pennydreadful@powersurfr.com>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)
Message-Id: <4.1.20000621144515.0094bef0@mail.powersurfr.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
At 02:09 PM 6/21/00 +0100, Una McCormack wrote:
>PS Penny, your remark that you liked 'Animals' more than 'Stardrive' could
>well be the first step towards ending the holy Travis war...
Hmm...a FINALACT/People For The Ethical Treatment of "Animals" alliance?
You'll replace the phrase "Cheap Cockney Imitation" with "Vastly Superior
Specimen" on your site, right, and a renunciation of all your misguided
campaigning for GITHOG? And you'll admit publically that Ralph Fiennes is
the only reasonable choice to play Avon in the six jillion dollar
big-screen B7 remake?
And I'll put up some sexy pictures of Og on my site. Wild thing! You make
my heart sing!
Oh wow man this is beautiful, I can practically taste the love in the air.
Okay, now we just need a cute acronym so I can forget what it stands for.
And badges, of course. I'll meet you in the empty auditorium to finalize
the transaction.
--Governor LeDreadful
--
"It's still me, Mulder."
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 17:48:12 EST
From: "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Jello talk
Message-ID: <20000622074812.90055.qmail@hotmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
>From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
>Ellynne (who has no intention of attending the Olympics and being caught
>in the crossfire, thank you very much).
Ow, spare a thought for those in Sydney, Ellynne!
Regards
Joanne
________________________________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 23:50:32 -0600
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Other peoples mail
Message-ID: <20000621.235034.-76285.3.rilliara@juno.com>
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
On Fri, 09 Jun 2000 23:41:20 -0700 mistral@ptinet.net writes:
>
>
> Jessica Taylor wrote:
>
> > I was trying to think of
> > people for Cally and Vila but I got stuck, any ideas?
>
> Ellynne does a good Cally.
I've been thinking about this and, despite some feelings some people have
towards Cally, think I can live with it. Cally probably is the one I
identify with the most. OTOH, I want to make it perfectly clear that,
despite my own tendency to Avon drool, any arguement I make about Avon
and Cally is NOT based on Mary Sue type fantasy. The truth is, much as I
like him, I'd give myself a week on the Liberator before I either started
planning a major campaign to take him down a few pegs or, far more likely
given my survival instincts, found some nice, neutral planet to settle
down on where I was fairly sure I'd never bump into him again (after
leaving some small, booby trapped present [nothing too nasty, probably
just something involving cold water and pollywogs (extra-slimey)]).
Just thought I'd make that clear.
Ellynne
________________________________________________________________
YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET!
Juno now offers FREE Internet Access!
Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit:
http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 19:56:52 +0200
From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)
Message-ID: <007401bfdbaa$24cb74e0$40ee72c3@marian-de-haan.multiweb.nl>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Ika wrote re Rumours of Death:
>Worth it for "It's an old wall, Avon, it waits" alone.
It's a great line, like the preceding one, but to me that exchange feels
somehow not right for those characters.
>And Servalan's frock.
Which I regard as her worst ever, but I've never had the slightest fashion
sense. :-)
By the way, I dislike Anna, which may well contribute to me not liking the
episode. I'm currently writing episode reviews and I'll think more about
this when I come to RoD. I've done the first 20 now (The Way Back to
Killer) and if anyone is interested you can find them on Judith's site.
Marian
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 12:10:25 +0200
From: Jacqueline Thijsen <inquisitioner@wish.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #168
Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000622112335.00a7d630@pop3.wish.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
At 07:36 22-6-00, Ellynne G. wrote:
> > This, of course, makes the whole "why doesn't Blake invite
> > more people on to his crew?" bit the more ridiculous.
>
>Oh, but they did. This is another one of the unaired episodes, the one
>that led directly to the "We don't let anyone on board the ship unless
>everyone agrees and Orac has checked them out" rule.
Is that the one where we all came on board and volunteered to help with the
revolution? I told you we shouldn't have thrown that party where we all
impersonated our favorite character. Blake didn't seem too amused when Una
dressed up as Travis and sang him a love song. Calle telling Avon that he
should throw out Orac's programming and replace it with the latest Unix
version probably didn't help either. And Penny, I really do agree with your
taste here, but it might have been a good idea to ask before you invited
the real Travis and told him where he could find us. Those mutoids were
real party poopers. It's a good thing you and Una managed to confuse them
by making them choose between the two Travii. That should keep 'em busy for
a while.
Now, Iain and Judith, I agree that you make a good Avon and Jenna, but
trying to prove it by taking over the controls and showing how you can
easily do without artificial gravity by spinning the ship was a less than
inspired move. I was plucking bits of food out of my hair for a week. And
Mistral, I know you like Vila, but did you really have to get into a
contest with him about who could hit the most targets with the blasters?
Those poor people at station XF43 still haven't come out of their hiding
places. Maybe you should send them some jelly to make it up to them. There
was quite a lot of it lying around in the galley.
But still, I think all would have gone well if Neil hadn't taken it upon
himself to take Blake apart and start telling him, in great detail, exactly
what he was doing wrong and how the revolution could be run far more
efficiently. And Steve, did you really have to ask Cally if you could see
how much hair she had under that dress?
I know there are those who think that my plan to dress Vila and Gan up as
Servalan and Travis was the reason we were ultimately kicked off, but I
totally disagree. It was a great plan, and I think I could have gotten
Blake to go along with it if that sudden emergency hadn't forced us all
into the escape pods. It's a strange thing, though, how none of the
original crew seemed to be in any hurry to come with us. The sweet darlings
must have wanted to make sure that we all got away. I wondered what
happened afterwards to make them tell us that they didn't want us back.
Maybe they were taken over by Andromedans.
Jacqueline
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 12:19:59 CEST
From: "Jurgen van de Sanden" <blakes7@hotmail.com>
To: maya@multiweb.nl, blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)
Message-ID: <20000622101959.6619.qmail@hotmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed
Your episode reviews are great! Very interesting and very well written!
Unfortunately I couldn't find the reviews of 'Orac' to 'Killer'. Haven't
they been added yet?
Jurgen
________________________________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 13:30:52 +0000
From: Murray <mjsmith@tcd.ie>
To: Lysator <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: Liberator crew size
Message-Id: <l03110701b577c4529d10@[134.226.96.44]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Helen,
>>I think the Liberator was *supposed* to have enough people that one
>>person could just stand there and press the button. 5-6 people do not
>>make a full complement for a ship that size.
I'm afraid that I have to disagree with you. The Liberator was built by the
System, and was supposed to be crewed by Altas. From what we saw and heard
about them in 'Redemption', they were beings with a lot of machine
components, like Seven of Nine. Persumably, they would be directly wired
into Zen; so a small crew of Altas would have had no problems in controling
the ship. Of course, this begs the question as to why Avon, if he was such
a genius, didn't adapt the system to cope with a fully human crew.
Murray
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 08:58:19 -0400
From: "Roberts, Patricia @ CSE" <proberts@mail.cse.l-3com.com>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Cc: Freedom City <freedom-city@blakes-7.org>
Subject: [B7L] Paul Darrow in "Murder Must Advertise"
Message-ID: <56AE25C909CED311BEA70000D11AD11E36BE33@l3c-xchg-cse.mail.cse.l-3com.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
For fans of Paul Darrow, this Lord Peter Wimsey series is now available from
The Video Collection here in the States. The cost is $59.95 for four tapes.
They are offering free shipping and handling on your first order.
To order call: 1-800-538-5856, 24 hours a day.
Pat
patricia.roberts@L-3Com.com
--------------------------------
End of blakes7-d Digest V00 Issue #170
**************************************