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blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 172
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L] Re: Animals (Was Josette Simon)
Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #168
Re: [B7L] Interesting food (not jelly or Jell-O)
Re: [B7L] Re: Jell-O/ jelly rebellion
[B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #170
[B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #170
Re: [B7L] Re:Rumours of Death
[B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #170
Re: [B7L] Jello talk
Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #170
Re: [B7L] Computer controlled combat
Re: [B7L] Jello talk
[B7L] blakes7-d Digest V00 #168
Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)
Re: Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)
Re: [B7L] Jello talk
Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals))
Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)
[B7L] blakes7-d Digest V00 #170
Re: [B7L] Gauda Prime
Re: [B7L] Interesting food (not jelly or Jell-O)
Re: [B7L] Re: Liberator crew size
Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #170
Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)
Re: [B7L] Interesting food (not jelly or Jell-O)
Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #170
Re: [B7L] shields up
Re: [B7L] Paul Darrow in "Murder Must Advertise"
Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)
Re: [B7L] crew
Re: [B7L] crew
Re: Mary Sue-icide (was [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #168)
Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)
[B7L] crew
Re: [B7L] crew
Re: [B7L] crew
Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #168
Re: [B7L] crew
[B7L] crew
Re: [B7L] Interesting food (not jelly or Jell-O)
the final moments of dr plaxton
Re: [B7L] Re: Travis and Blake (was Travis)
Re: [B7L] Statuary (was RoD (was Animals))
Re: [B7L] crew
[B7L] FC and B7L: Thanks to Zelda & Jarvik people
RE: [B7L] crew
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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 08:58:06 +0100
From: "Nyder" <nyder@moore.britishlibrary.net>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>, "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
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Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Animals (Was Josette Simon)
> banished for illegal experiments or did he leave on his own?
It would lend a nice sense of balance if he *was* banished, as it raises the
question of how is he any better than the Lost whom Cally despised...
> manipulation would be more firmly established as an Auron speciality
I wrote an article on genetic manipulation and the Auronar once, but I've
yet to find any place to publish it in...
> _want_ them returned? And does she still love Justin (was that his
> name?) or would she be considering settling down with one of the very few
> of her own people left, one she certainly does care for, in what seems to
> be a safe harbor at last because she realizes it may be the best offer
> she's going to get?
There is also the question of her loneliness while on the Liberator. As Gan
said in "Shadow," it must get a bit rough for her spending all her time with
non-telepaths. Could it be that the enforced silence, as it were, of six
years with the Liberator crew has finally gotten too much to bear?
> And, if she didn't love him in the first place, what should we make of
> Justin's demand that Servalan _make_ her love him? Would this be the
> moment when we realized how depraved he really is?
Hm. This could be an interestingly complex episode. I'm starting to come
round a bit, Una...
> If the aversion therapy was designed specifically for Aurons (say, this
> scenario has Justin as an exiled/defecting Auron scientist. What are the
> story implications if _he_ sold this to the Federation [which goes a long
> way toward explaining why it wouldn't work on him]?),
Or he could, even, be a non-telepathic Auronar. Remember, he's a fair bit
older than Cally, and it seems like telepaths are a lot rarer before the
genetic manipulation programme really gets going (which, if we assume Zelda
and Cally to be among the first, would mean people their age and younger).
> Then there's the ending. I'd love to see Cally's reunion with the crew
> after this, especially Avon.
I'd love to see Avon's reaction *throughout*-- might finally answer the
question of whether the two of them *did* have a relationship.
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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 08:56:44 EST
From: "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
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>From: mistral@ptinet.net (doing her ill wind impersonation, I think)
>and then Sally beat me to all the good stuff in the wardrobe room.
>It's not easy to find fuchsia leather catsuits, you know
<groan> I wonder why?
>especially
>with matching black-and-fuchsia boots and gloves. Though I think
>I'd have personally left off the black-and-silver headdress.
You've been hanging out with Pat P again, haven't you? Which one of you held
the tape measure for that cabaret costume she wanted to put Avon into?
Regards
Joanne
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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 09:14:38 EST
From: "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [B7L] Interesting food (not jelly or Jell-O)
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>From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
>Neil revealed: > I am actually quite partial to a peanut butter/lemon-
> >and-lime marmalade sandwich.
>Have you tried marmite on chocolate cake?
<raises startled eyebrow> So in how many months' time does the happy event
take place?
Regards
Joanne
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Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 10:33:16 -0700
From: Nick Moffitt <nick@zork.net>
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Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Jell-O/ jelly rebellion
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begin Tigerm1019@aol.com quotation:
> I recommend the cherry flavor. Orange is also pretty good, with
> shredded pineapple in it.
Tom Lehrer, the famous satirist and songwriter, invented
what's known as the "Jell-O shot".
He was conscripted into the army during the fifties, and
wanted to bring booze to an army christmas party. He knew there'd be
a security officer looking at what everybody brought in, so he made up
some orange jell-o using vodka instead of water.
It's clandestine and you can't really taste the booze for all
the high-fructose corn syrup.
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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 17:43:58 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #170
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After writing up a synopsis for a *good* revision of Animals, Ellynne
said:
>
> Drat, I do _not_ have time to work on a fanfic right now.
We will be coming over with penguins, to make sure you make time for it.
You have been warned.
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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 17:56:04 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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> And you'll admit publically that Ralph Fiennes is
> the only reasonable choice to play Avon in the six jillion dollar
> big-screen B7 remake?
NO, SHE WON'T!!!
(He sucked as Steed, I will not watch him suck as Avon)
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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 11:49:33 EST
From: "Jessica Taylor" <morgaine54@hotmail.com>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re:Rumours of Death
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>From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
>To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
>Subject: [B7L] Re:Rumours of Death
>Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 19:56:26 -0700
Helen wrote:
>Anyhow, for me the thing that I loved absolute best about the episode
>was the troopers tending the moniters. They made me think a bit of when
>we see the rebels more relaxed moments. Vila-esque, really. That was
>such a change from the faceless killer troopers. It's the most human
>moment we ever see among the 'enemy'.
They use a similar device in a lot of Babylon 5 episodes, about once a
season the perspective would change and we'd see events occuring from the
other point of view. It's something I love about both shows this ability to
show the enemy as being human and not just a drone in the wrong uniform.
Jessica
" It's like I always say, you can get more with a two-by-four and a kind
word than you can with just a kind word" (Babylon 5)
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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 18:05:12 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
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> It's a strange thing, though, how none of the
> original crew seemed to be in any hurry to come with us. The sweet darlings
> must have wanted to make sure that we all got away. I wondered what
> happened afterwards to make them tell us that they didn't want us back.
> Maybe they were taken over by Andromedans.
>
> Jacqueline
What about the rest of us? Who came as Deeta Tarrant? Who did Anna
Grant? Who tried to do Soolin and got mistaken for a mutoid?
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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 11:57:41 EST
From: "Jessica Taylor" <morgaine54@hotmail.com>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Jello talk
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>From: "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
>To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
>Subject: Re: [B7L] Jello talk
>Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 17:48:12 EST
>
>
>
>
>>From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
>>Ellynne (who has no intention of attending the Olympics and being caught
>>in the crossfire, thank you very much).
>
>Ow, spare a thought for those in Sydney, Ellynne!
>
>Regards
>Joanne
You've certainly got my deepest symathies, Joanne.
Jessica
(Thanking God that she lives in Melbourne)
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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 18:59:59 -0700
From: Nick Moffitt <nick@zork.net>
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begin Helen Krummenacker quotation:
> What about the rest of us? Who came as Deeta Tarrant? Who did Anna
> Grant? Who tried to do Soolin and got mistaken for a mutoid?
I always wondered if Anna Grant was descended from Jo Grant.
After all, Jo was an agent of UNIT.
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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 21:18:51 -0400
From: "Dana Shilling" <dshilling@worldnet.att.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Computer controlled combat
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Gnog said:
>What computer would risk the odds of flying straight at the
>obvious trap.
One that spent a lot of time hanging around Blake?
-(Y)
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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 07:54:19 -0600
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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On Thu, 22 Jun 2000 17:48:12 EST "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
writes:
>
>
>
> >From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
> >Ellynne (who has no intention of attending the Olympics and being
> caught
> >in the crossfire, thank you very much).
>
> Ow, spare a thought for those in Sydney, Ellynne!
>
Well, so long as you _promise_ there's no chance of Blake and Travis
showing up for a Jell-O bake-off....
Ellynne
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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 07:52:47 -0600
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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On Thu, 22 Jun 2000 12:10:25 +0200 Jacqueline Thijsen
<inquisitioner@wish.net> I wondered what
> happened afterwards to make them tell us that they didn't want us
> back.
> Maybe they were taken over by Andromedans.
>
Oh, the dear souls just didn't want us to endanger our lives. Really
heroic of them. But it's too big a sacrifice. We should really stop by
again some time.
Ellynne
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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 21:15:23 -0400
From: "Dana Shilling" <dshilling@worldnet.att.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)
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Nyder said:
>So I guess I don't fall into either camp-- worth
> watching every so often, but if I started making up a top-ten list it
would
> be well below Trial, Gambit, Blake.... mind you, it'd probably be above
> Sarcophagus.
Backpacks! That's saying a lot too.
-(Y)
(....who thinks Ultraworld is much, much worse than either
Sarcophagus or Animals)
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Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 08:49:51 +0100
From: "Nyder" <nyder@moore.britishlibrary.net>
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> And has anyone noticed she has a statue of a nude lady on her desk?
No... I'll have to watch it a bit more carefully next time...
(Just fyi: I think it's one of the better *stories,* but it's never exactly
been one of my *favourites*... at the risk of winding up at the wrong end of
a fatwah, I'll say that Avon is not really my favourite character on the
show, and so an Avon-centric story like RoD doesn't hold my interest that
well. But Servalan is *very* watchable in it.)
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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 14:06:32 EST
From: "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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>From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
> > Ow, spare a thought for those in Sydney, Ellynne!
>Well, so long as you _promise_ there's no chance of Blake and Travis
>showing up for a Jell-O bake-off....
We could scare them off by threatening to put zinc on their noses and
dressing them up in surf lifesavers' uniforms. Though that would mean
Speedos rather than boardshorts...
Picture it...
Regards
Joanne
(Jello? More like Tim Tams, hopefully!)
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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 14:07:54 EST
From: "Jessica Taylor" <morgaine54@hotmail.com>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals))
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>From: "Dana Shilling" <dshilling@worldnet.att.net>
>To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
>Subject: Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)
>Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 21:15:23 -0400
Dana asked:
>(....who thinks Ultraworld is much, much worse than either
>Sarcophagus or Animals)
What was wrong with Sarcophagus? I keep wondering if I'm missing something
but I really enjoyed that episode. I admit it was a little implausible but
it made sense and the scene with Vila doing magic tricks must make up for
any other shortcomings (the a/c stuff was cute too).
Jessica
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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 14:09:52 EST
From: "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
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>From: "Nyder" <nyder@moore.britishlibrary.net>
> > well be the first step towards ending the holy Travis war...
>Sorry... just picturing Brian Croucher in eyepatch, leathers, wings and
>halo...
It's the pursuit ship-shaped harp that gets me...
Regards
Joanne
(remembering that he's not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy)
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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 21:40:51 -0600
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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On Thu, 22 Jun 2000 18:59:59 -0700 Nick Moffitt <nick@zork.net> writes:
> begin Helen Krummenacker quotation:
> > What about the rest of us? Who came as Deeta Tarrant? Who did Anna
> > Grant? Who tried to do Soolin and got mistaken for a mutoid?
>
> I always wondered if Anna Grant was descended from Jo Grant.
> After all, Jo was an agent of UNIT.
>
Build's about right. Hair color's about right. The Doctor was a time
traveler, allowing for Jo's kids to wind up almost anywhere. Or her
siblings. Or parents.
So, was Jo Anna's younger sister lost in the 20th century? Giving
slightly new meaning to the rather obnoxious brainy type she married
(Avon, after extensive plastic surgery after just barely surviving GP,
winds up in the past. To his own considerable surprise, he finds himself
missing having a bunch of eccentric personalities to hang out with and
winds up at a 70's commune [albeit one devoted to eccentric geniuses who
he probably still talks down to]....)
Or was Jo Avon and Anna's daughter?
I'm having nightmares.
Ellynne
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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 21:53:56 -0600
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
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On 22 Jun 2000 12:57:35 -0700 "Bob Vinisky" <bobvin@europa.com> writes:
>
> Avon escaped!
>
[snip]
> He went undercover in Argentina,
I know this isn't where you were going with it, but I immediately thought
of The Boys from Brazil. Suddenly, I saw Avon planting infant clones of
Blake all over the planet....
Ellynne
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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 22:02:08 -0600
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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On Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:43:04 -0400 Harriet Monkhouse
<101637.2064@compuserve.com> writes:
> Neil revealed:
> > I am actually quite partial to a peanut butter/lemon-
> >and-lime marmalade sandwich.
>
> Have you tried marmite on chocolate cake?
>
It suddenly hit me that Gan was sercretly a member of Men at Work and the
subject of the line in "Land Down Under" about the 6'4'' guy with the
vegemite sandwich.
I suppose he wrote the song "Dr. Heckle and Mr. Jive" about Vila and
Avon.
"Who Can It Be Now?" the song about the guy who believes all sorts of
weird things are out to get him, was about Blake (it's not paranoia if
they're really out to get you).
Ellynne
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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 07:50:03 -0600
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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On Thu, 22 Jun 2000 13:30:52 +0000 Murray <mjsmith@tcd.ie> writes:
> Of course, this begs the question as to why Avon, if he
> was such
> a genius, didn't adapt the system to cope with a fully human crew.
>
I think the answers right there in what you wrote. Think about how Avon
feels about adapting to cope with anything he'd describe as "fully
human." He probably spent a lot of time hoping they'd get tired of
jumping up to hit the buttons and go findd themselves another ship.
But he may have made some changes he didn't tell them about, explaining
why he _didn't_ jump up to hit the button in one episode.
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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 23:09:30 -0600
From: Penny Dreadful <pennydreadful@powersurfr.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #170
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At 05:56 PM 6/22/00 -0700, Helen Krummenacker wrote:
>(He sucked as Steed, I will not watch him suck as Avon)
Ah, if only this were the other list.
But it ain't.
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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 23:36:14 -0600
From: Penny Dreadful <pennydreadful@powersurfr.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)
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At 08:05 AM 6/22/00 +0100, Neil Faulkner wrote:
>I like RoD
>for the politics, the script (with its witty one-liners and the way it's a
>classic example of Boucheresque plotstrand convergence), the battle scene,
>the critique of revenge and obsession.
Yeah. Exactly.
--Penny (hoping that agreeing with Neil just this once won't undermine my
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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 15:38:51 EST
From: "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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>From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
>It suddenly hit me that Gan was secretly a member of Men at Work and the
>subject of the line in "Down Under" about the 6'4'' guy with the
>vegemite sandwich.
<smile> And the line he helped to write, "I met a strange lady, she made me
nervous", was about Cally, I take it?
Regards
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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 13:01:46 +1000
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #170
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On Thu, Jun 22, 2000 at 06:59:59PM -0700, Nick Moffitt wrote:
> I always wondered if Anna Grant was descended from Jo Grant.
> After all, Jo was an agent of UNIT.
Only if Jo kept her name when she married that Professor.
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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 23:25:54 +0200
From: Steve Kilbane <steve@whitecrow.demon.co.uk>
To: lyst@whitecrow.demon.co.uk
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> Perhaps they don't _really_ need to be told, but human self-preservation
> being what it is, the flight crew simply don't 100% trust the automatics to
> detect the incoming threat & react accordingly.
Well, *that's* not realistic, then. Human trust in machines being what
it is, they'd assume it anyway. After all, there's an ep based on the
Liberator being uncontrollable once *all* computer control goes off-line.
But yes, you're right - Avon wouldn't trust someone else's system. I'd
be surprised he didn't rig his own system to do that, if it wouldn't
be such a damper on dramatic tension.
steve
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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 10:04:50 +0200
From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
To: "Lysator List" <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Paul Darrow in "Murder Must Advertise"
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Patricia Roberts wrote:
>For fans of Paul Darrow, this Lord Peter Wimsey series is now available
from The Video Collection here in the States.
Does anyone know if this series is available in Europe?
Marian
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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 10:17:53 +0200
From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)
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Wendy S. Penberriss wrote:
>The bit where they're taunting Shrinker I liked for showing up
>another difference between Cally and the rest of the
>crew-- you'd think, having been tortured herself,
>she'd be even less lenient with him than the others.
The Cally of S1 would have executed him herself. Cally's moral stance here
is one of the things that makes me dislike the episode.
Marian
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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 10:37:46 +0200
From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
To: "Lysator List" <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] crew
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Judith asked:
>Of all the people whom they met on their travels, who would you most like
to have joined the crew?
Lurena from Star One. [Yes, you may groan but I like the character :-)]
She must be a skilled technician to be of use on Star One and she doesn't
scream when she finds those bodies.
>I'd nominate Levett from Mission to Destiny - brains and cool and not fazed
by Avon.
She would be my second choice.
My third choice would be Chevner from Project Avalon, purely because of his
rugged good looks. :-)
>Though Sinofer might have been interesting - a ghost on board would have
been different (though I think Sinofer was bound to her native planet).
I fear the writers would see her as an even more likely candidate for alien
takeovers than Cally. But I'd have love to see Giroc join them, that would
have put some explosives into the crew dynamics.
Marian
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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 01:58:43 -0700
From: Nick Moffitt <nick@zork.net>
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begin Marian de Haan quotation:
> Lurena from Star One. [Yes, you may groan but I like the character
> :-)] She must be a skilled technician to be of use on Star One and
> she doesn't scream when she finds those bodies.
We just got through watching The Keeper and Star One.
Remember that Lurena was conditioned. That's why she didn't scream.
She was notable in that she faked out the andromedaans by opening the
exit door and then running back inside.
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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 03:58:51 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: Mary Sue-icide (was [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #168)
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Mistral wrote:
<Sally beat me to all the good stuff in the wardrobe room.>
Then ruined them all trying to take off the awful padded petals (sewing is
not my forte - then again, we don't see any of Our Heroes whip out the
needles and thread. *Would* there be needles and thread on the Liberator
anyway? They'd surely need a repair kit or thirty after each mission.)
< It's not easy to find fuchsia leather catsuits, you know, especially with
matching black-and-fuchsia boots and gloves. Though I think I'd have
personally left off the black-and-silver headdress.>
But ... but ... it was the only thing that actually fit me ... Gan's and
Blake's clothes go *round* me, but are about two feet too long. And I don't
care for Gan's macrame vests or Blake's watermelon sleeves (which reach my
knees).
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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 03:59:50 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)
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Harriet wrote:
<one of the mysteries of life I sometimes sit and ponder is why Sally's
attitudes to male characters are so uncannily like mine - except that she
likes Tarrant more ->
And that's so *difficult, isn't it, Harriet? <veg>
<when her attitudes to female characters are diametrically opposed).>
Ummm ... yes. Though I think we agree on how wonderful Kasabi is, don't we?
I do love Jenna and Soolin, and of the guests love Levett, Rashel, and
Giroc, and like Maja (TWB), Sinofar (Duel), Chenie (Gambit), Vena
(Headhunter) and Verlis (Assassin - and I've probably forgotten some,
sorry). Come on Harriet, there must be *someone* there you like. And while
'like' may not quite be the right word, I think the best villain in the
entire series is Alta Morag (the 'banality of evil', indeed. She gives me
the creeps, for all the right reasons).
Anna *could* be worse. She could have been Piri-ish. I could *never* take
Avon Suffering (no matter how Beautifully) for Piri ...
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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 04:00:57 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
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Judith asked:
<Of all the people whom they met on their travels, who would you most like
to have joined the crew?>
Ummm ... must we stick to people Our Heroes actually met long enough to
extend the invitation? 'Cause that rules out the absolutely *rivetting*
possibilities of Kasabi (Pressure Point), Rashel (Weapon) Deeta Tarrant
(Deathwatch) and three-guesses-who-and-the-first-two-don't-count ...
Lovett (Mission to Destiny), Gambrill (Killer), Chenie (Gambit) and Nebrox
(Assassin) are good possibilities. The computer Gambit from Games has
possibilities. And highly implausible but lots of fun to imagine would be
any of the following dubiously trustworthy lot ... Bercol and/or Rontane
(SLD, Trial), Tynus (Killer - Avon's friend trying to stab Avon's Fearless
Leader in the back. Yum), or Klegg (Powerplay).
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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 04:17:50 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
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I forgot Dr Bellfriar!!! How could I forget Dr Bellfriar??? He's got
terrific chemistry with Blake, would be fascinating to watch with Avon and
Jenna, and great medical unit or not, they could really have used a doctor.
The fact that Dr Bellfriar is both gorgeous and likeable, with buckets of
charm, a terrific sense of the ridiculous, and as neat a way with words as
My Darlings, has absolutely nothing to do with it.
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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 08:08:00 -0400
From: "Christine+Steve" <cgorman@idirect.com>
To: "B7 Mailing List" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] crew
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> Judith asked:
> <Of all the people whom they met on their travels, who would you most like
> to have joined the crew?>
>
I liked Docholli, from Gambit. He was also on the run from the Federation,
looking for a place to hide and the crew only really had Cally doing first
aid. I bet they could have used a decent medic from time to time. A
likeable guy, experienced with the Federation, probably could have been very
useful.
Steve Dobson.
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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 08:12:45 -0400
From: "Christine+Steve" <cgorman@idirect.com>
To: "B7 Mailing List" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #168
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Jacqueline Thijsen wrote :
> But still, I think all would have gone well if Neil hadn't taken it upon
> himself to take Blake apart and start telling him, in great detail,
exactly
> what he was doing wrong and how the revolution could be run far more
> efficiently. And Steve, did you really have to ask Cally if you could see
> how much hair she had under that dress?
Umm.. .it was part of a scientific experiment I was doing on Aliens...
honest!
Steve Dobson.
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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 05:19:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Peter=20Borg?= <peter_borg@yahoo.com>
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--- Sally Manton <smanton@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Judith asked:
> <Of all the people whom they met on their travels, who would you
> most like
> to have joined the crew?>
>
> Ummm ... must we stick to people Our Heroes actually met long
> enough to
> extend the invitation?
How about Travis? Post Trial of course.
This may seem way of base, but after being rejected by the Federation
for being what they made him, he became even more of a fruit-loop
than previously and decided to destroy humanity.
Maybe there was a point at which Blake & co could have persuaded
him that they were on the same side - destruction of the federation
being their ideal - especially in light of their conversation at the
close of Gambit.
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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 08:50:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: "rita d'orac" <orac@inorbit.com>
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Judith asked:
<Of all the people whom they met on their travels, who would you most like
to have joined the crew?>
I think Carnell would have been a yummy addition to the crew.
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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 06:09:57 -0700
From: mistral@ptinet.net
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Subject: Re: [B7L] Interesting food (not jelly or Jell-O)
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Ellynne wrote:
> It suddenly hit me that Gan was sercretly a member of Men at Work and the
> subject of the line in "Land Down Under" about the 6'4'' guy with the
> vegemite sandwich.
>
> I suppose he wrote the song "Dr. Heckle and Mr. Jive" about Vila and
> Avon.
Ouch. And I was absolutely, positively certain that nothing would
ever induce me to play my Men at Work album again.
Thanks, Ellynne ;-P
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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 21:01:04 +1000
From: "Roger the Shrubber" <powerplay@cheerful.com>
To: "blake's seven" <blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: the final moments of dr plaxton
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Steve wrote
Oh me too, I think its a pretty good episode . Great final scene with Avon
virtually ordering the death of the scientist woman to save the ship.
***
I first saw this episode _after_ having read the Trevor Hoyle novelisation
and was disappointed with what I saw on the screen. In the book, Mr Hoyle
did a good job of describing the Space rats as a bunch of _repulsive_ ,
smelly toughs, but what I saw on the screen just seemed like a bunch of
neatly dressed & neatly made-up Shakespearean actors pretending to be
tough. They just didn't feel right, basically not scary & psychotic enough.
Another part that was a tad different from the novel was the moments
leading up to Plaxton's death, when connecting up the wires. In the novel
the only real delay in 45 minutes of work was dropping a tool, apart from
that she was working steadily. So in the book she was primarily killed by
Avon's decision, in the TV show I recall the doc staring at the pursuit
ships, wasting valuable time, thereby giving the viewer a rationalisation
not to blame Avon 100% for her death "Well gee, she's sitting staring at
the ships when she could be connecting, I guess she's contributing to her
own demise ...."
It felt a bit like the Nikita series - they always have the target make
some kind of threatening move so that Nikita is justified in pulling the
trigger, again a rationale for the viewer "Well she HAD to ...", whereas in
the movie Bridget just blew them away like a cold-hearted bitch.
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Date: Fri Jun 23 16:53:54 BST 2000
From: Ika <blake@gaudaprime.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Travis and Blake (was Travis)
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> Ika wrote about the similarities between Blake and Travis:
> >(Plus the "ouch" moment - thinking of the end of
> > Series 4 - when the old bloke asks where Blake's
> >eyepatch is....)
Harriet:
> There are some interesting similarities between the scene in Star One where
> Travis is shot and the scene in Blake where Blake is shot.
[snip details]
Thanks for this, Harriet. I've been thinking about the Blake/Travis thing lately
(saw Star One recently and was really struck by the weirdness of Blake acting
Travis... another similarity between the two episodes?) - Someone (sorry, can't
remember who) said a while ago that Travis found it difficult to cope with
perceiving how alike he and Blake were - I think this works vice versa as well,
of course, as Blake is preparing for his own "final act" in Star One.
Love,
Ika
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Date: Fri Jun 23 16:57:31 BST 2000
From: Ika <blake@gaudaprime.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Statuary (was RoD (was Animals))
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ika <blake@gaudaprime.co.uk>
> To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 2:34 PM
> Subject: Fwd: Re: Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)
>
>
> > boy - I think it's a replica of Michaelangelo's David - in their cupboard.
> So
> > far these are the only two nude statues I have noticed in Blake's 7, but
> since I
> > saw the David replica I've been keeping an eye out for them)
>
Fiona:
> Good heavens. Now *I'm* going to start doing the same... though a
> Michaelangelo nude struck me as, erm, more of a Krantor and Toise sort of
> thing...
>
> Fiona
It certainly made me rethink my opinions of Egrorian and his "golden-haired
stripling"...
Ika
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Date: Fri Jun 23 17:03:37 BST 2000
From: Ika <blake@gaudaprime.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] crew
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Nick:
> > This, of course, makes the whole "why doesn't Blake invite
> > more people on to his crew?" bit the more ridiculous. Sadly, we all
> > know that the budget for the show did not allow for any more regular
> > cast members.
>
Judith:
> Well, he did invite one or two people who declined.
>
> Of all the people whom they met on their travels, who would you most like to
> have joined the crew?
>
> I'd nominate Levett from Mission to Destiny - brains and cool and not fazed by
> Avon.
>
> Though Sinofer might have been interesting - a ghost on board would have been
> different (though I think Sinofer was bound to her native planet).
>
Definitely Levett - I think Jenna would have been pleased to have her around,
as well.
If Kasabi hadn't died, though, she would have sorted them out and won the
revolution in three episodes flat. (Hmmm... does this mean I do or I don't want
her on board? Hard to say.)
In the end I'm going to have to go for Major Thania (Trial) - the only character
they meet who could make the weekly on-board who-has-the-best-boots competition
more interesting.
Love,
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Date: Fri Jun 23 17:27:49 BST 2000
From: Ika <blake@gaudaprime.co.uk>
To: freedom-city@blakes-7.org
Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] FC and B7L: Thanks to Zelda & Jarvik people
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Thanks a lot to everyone who helped out with pictures/suggestions of Jarvik and
Zelda (especially my Lord, Emma) - my handout now looks far cooler than anyone
else's and it won't really matter what I say because the audience can always
just look at the lovely shiny pictures. Hooray!
Love,
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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 18:16:55 +-100
From: Louise Rutter <Louise.Rutter@btinternet.com>
To: "'B7 Lysator'" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: RE: [B7L] crew
Message-ID: <01BFDD3F.5E6022A0@host62-7-1-196.btinternet.com>
Ika wrote:
>If Kasabi hadn't died, though, she would have sorted them out and won >the
revolution in three episodes flat.
Have to disagree with that. This was the lady who didn't spot a woman
dressed in white standing on top of a hill, after all. And didn't bother to
train her soldiers to look around while they crept....but I still love the
character.
Louise
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