From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V00 #174 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume00/174 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 174 Today's Topics: Re: [B7L] Re: crew additions Re: [B7L] Re: If we'd been there Re: [B7L] Valium episodes (was Animals) Re: [B7L] Valium episodes (was Animals) Re: [B7L] Valium episodes (was Animals) Re: [B7L] Valium episodes (was Animals) [B7L] Posting fanfic? Re: [B7L] Posting fanfic? Re: [B7L] Re: Crew, Models and Liaisons (OK, it's mostly about Jarriere) Re: [B7L] Animals Re: [B7L] Valium episodes (was Animals) Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals)) [B7L] crew [B7L]lost episodes: was: Animals [B7L] Re: Crew, Models and Liaisons (OK, it's mostly about Jarriere) [B7L] Kasabi (was crew) Re: [B7L] Posting fanfic? Re: [B7L] Re: Crew, Models and Liaisons (OK, it's mostly about Jarriere) Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals)) Re: [B7L]lost episodes: was: Animals Re: [B7L] Gauda Prime Re: [B7L] Gauda Prime Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals) Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals) Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals)) Re: [B7L] Re:Rumours of Death Re: [B7L] Re:Rumours of Death Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals)) Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals)) Women we like [was Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)] Re: [B7L] Interesting food Re: Women we like [was Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)] Re: [B7L] Valium episodes (was Animals) Re: [B7L] crew [B7L] Deathwatch (was Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals))) Re: [B7L] Re: Crew, Models and Liaisons (OK, it's mostly about Jarriere) Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals) Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals)) Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals) Re: [B7L] crew [B7L] Unsubscirbe ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 14:12:18 -0400 From: "Christine+Steve" To: "B7 Mailing List" Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: crew additions Message-ID: <00dd01bfde07$cfb2c480$07059ad8@cgorman> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Helen Krummenacker added : > > I liked Docholli, from Gambit. He was also on the run from the Federation, > > looking for a place to hide and the crew only really had Cally doing first > > aid. I bet they could have used a decent medic from time to time. A > > likeable guy, experienced with the Federation, probably could have been very > > useful. > > > Steve Dobson. > > Last, but not least, a drinking buddy for Vila. Now that would have been quite fun to watch! Seeing Vila drunk was always quite amusing, even when he was faking it. Steve Dobson. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 14:26:00 -0400 From: "Christine+Steve" To: "B7 Mailing List" Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: If we'd been there Message-ID: <012201bfde09$b92bf180$07059ad8@cgorman> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ellynne G. wrote : > > > So what were the rest of you up to? > [snip] > So > > fess > > up, guys. Anyone been snooping around in the strong room? I do seem > > to > > remember seeing Ellynne dressed up as Servalan sneaking away with > > Travis > > and a few mutoids. > > > Uh, no offense, but if you saw that, you _really_ shouldn't have eaten > the jell-o/jelly Vila offered you. I was just having a quiet chat with > Cally about what films she thought were deep and meaningful. We were > just saying how everybody _had_ to see the complete, unabridged Les > Miserables (complete with a two hour documentary about the Paris sewers) > and a few side comments on how they could make the Liberator look sunnier > and more cheerful (I had some sunflower posters and smiley faces I'd be > glad to loan her). It really went over well, since Blake and Avon > immediately asked what I thought they should do with the teleport room, > that being the first bit of the Liberator people see when they come on > board. I was just looking around and making some suggestions when > someone accidentally turned on the teleport. Ohh yes, sorry about that... that was one of Vila's bets again. Something about playing hide and seek, its all still a bit foggy. We started drinking something... all I knew was it was green. Steve Dobson. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 21:50:41 +0200 From: "Marian de Haan" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Valium episodes (was Animals) Message-ID: <002001bfde15$7c39b760$a9ee72c3@marian-de-haan.multiweb.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sally asked: > Do we *all* have Valium episodes (as apart from just plain ones we don't like?) Death Watch. I like the scene with the TV presenter, but I yawn through the rest. Marian ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 23:06:53 +0200 From: Jacqueline Thijsen To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Valium episodes (was Animals) Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000624225621.00a7cad0@pop3.wish.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >Sally asked: > Do we *all* have Valium episodes (as apart from just plain ones we don't >like?) No question: Animals can put me to sleep any time. And not just because Una is hitting me over the head with a rubber hammer because of my comments about the episode. It's the only episode where I have to fight the urge to fast forward through most of it. Og may be slightly more credible than Brian, but Justin gives me the creeps. Even though I know how it really ends, I keep expecting him to lock Dayna up and start doing horrible experiments on her. Come to think of it, that would probably make for a better episode. Has anybody else ever wondered what the offspring of Og and Dayna would look like? Jacqueline ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 17:25:20 -0400 (EDT) From: "rita d'orac" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Valium episodes (was Animals) Message-ID: <384126015.961881920997.JavaMail.root@web305-mc.mail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Sally asked: > Do we *all* have Valium episodes (as apart from just plain ones we don't >like?) "Voice From The Past" is my valium episode - it's the only one I don't bother to re-watch, as I found myself unable to concentrate on it after Blake persuades Vila to teleport him down to the asteroid. It was ok up to that point... rita d'orac "No good deed goes unpunished" http://www.vilaworld.com ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 22:47:11 +0100 From: "Una McCormack" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Valium episodes (was Animals) Message-ID: <081601bfde25$c43a6220$0d01a8c0@codex> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jacqueline wrote: > >Sally asked: > > Do we *all* have Valium episodes (as apart from just plain ones we don't > >like?) > > No question: Animals can put me to sleep any time. And not just because Una > is hitting me over the head with a rubber hammer because of my comments > about the episode. Just the odd gentle tap. > Has anybody else ever wondered what the offspring of Og and > Dayna would look like? Steve? Una ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 18:51:32 +0100 From: "Ariana" To: "b7" Subject: [B7L] Posting fanfic? Message-ID: <001201bfde3a$deae5660$92e407c3@ariana> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think I've asked this before, but it took so long to write the bloody thing that by now, I've forgotten the answer. Anyway, is it acceptable to post fanfic here? Nothing naughty, and it's a crossover with the new Randall & Hopkirk, so it's a bit weak on the B7 stuff (since the Beeb obligingly took the wind out of my sails, as it were). I think I managed to work in most of the pitfalls of fanfic described on Judith's site. ;) Anyway, let me know, as it's time I inflicted this thing on the world outside... Ariana http://www.alpha.ndirect.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 11:47:11 +1000 From: Kathryn Andersen To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] Posting fanfic? Message-ID: <20000625114711.B11512@welkin.apana.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sat, Jun 24, 2000 at 06:51:32PM +0100, Ariana wrote: > I think I've asked this before, but it took so long to write the bloody > thing that by now, I've forgotten the answer. Anyway, is it acceptable to > post fanfic here? Nothing naughty, and it's a crossover with the new Randall > & Hopkirk, so it's a bit weak on the B7 stuff (since the Beeb obligingly > took the wind out of my sails, as it were). I think I managed to work in > most of the pitfalls of fanfic described on Judith's site. ;) > > Anyway, let me know, as it's time I inflicted this thing on the world > outside... I don't think anyone would mind, though not everyone would read it. (I satisfied my curiosity about the new Randall & Hopkirk earlier this year, and a crossover with it doesn't appeal to *me*. Others may differ, and leap up with enthusiasm, so don't let anything stop you.) -- _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen / \ | http://www.foobox.net/~kat \_.--.*/ | http://jove.prohosting.com/~rubykat v | #include "standard/disclaimer.h" ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 10:21:31 +0930 From: "Minnie" To: "Harriet Monkhouse" <101637.2064@compuserve.com>, Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Crew, Models and Liaisons (OK, it's mostly about Jarriere) Message-ID: <000401bfde4f$d29dc1c0$f1af3acb@marina> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>Harriet wrote: >Somebody round here (could it have been Betty?) once had the rather >wonderful idea of putting DS9's Garak on the Liberator. Whoever it was, >get on and write the story... God thats scary. I was wondering if anyone had thought of this. :) Shall I joint the queue to read this. Min. xxx > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 00:22:08 +0200 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Animals Message-ID: In message <05c801bfddf0$ce2230e0$0d01a8c0@codex>, Una McCormack writes >TWB is pretty slow... Umm, probably 'Pressure Point'. They all run across >the grass, in turn. They all go down the blue corridor. Then the red >corridor. Then the white corridor. It's quite possible we see them coming >back, but I've usually given up by then. You just don't have a suitably one-track mind. There's lots to enjoy in Pressure Point. Unfortunately, it's all more suitable for discussion on The Other List. -- Julia Jones "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 15:57:28 EST From: "Jessica Taylor" To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Valium episodes (was Animals) Message-ID: <20000625055728.78298.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >Sally asked: > > Do we *all* have Valium episodes (as apart from just plain ones we don't >like?) Voices from the past, I'm sure it wasn't a bad episode but I couldn't muster up any interest the whole way through. Jessica ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 23:06:52 PDT From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals)) Message-ID: <20000625060652.75097.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Jessica asked: I liked quite a lot about it (it's one of the best episodes - as drama - in series 3, IMO) though it just doesn't quite feel B7-ish to me. Ghost stories just *don't* fit, no matter how carefully ambiguous they are. But there are a lot of good things. I especially like Vila's magic show (Michael Keating does pull this off well), the overriding feeling of crew ennui ('one more thing to chase') and aimlessness that has dogged them since the war and is now becoming seriously crushing, and the way the dead, stifling atmosphere of the pod interior is done. And Avon is suitably wonderful (but tips into just *too* wonderful, almost inhumanly so, for me - I like him flawed and fallible.) When all is said and done (and a lot of it said by me, I know), there are good things to be said about nearly every episode, even if in some cases one has to hunt rather a lot to find them. Even in Moloch, there's Avon fretting (just a little) about Vila's safety; finding out what Vila looks like in uniform (like he's playing dress-up, actually :-) and that wonderful moment when Vila asks Doran"you like women" and Doran answers "no". Oh yes, and Avon being roughed up :-). Even in Power, there's a few good lines ("I'm a growing lad. Rats are not the answer" "If I'd known we were keeping score, I would have brought more ammunition." "Perhaps I was somewhere else when they introduced us."), the glove business, and Avon getting knocked out a lot and carted around by hairy barbarians. Stardrive I'm still looking (one word - "who?") ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 23:08:28 PDT From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] crew Message-ID: <20000625060828.57070.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed After Judith asked: Peter suggested : of course, this would bring with it the enormous joy of watching Avon spending all his waking hours trying to protect Blake against a fellow crew-member (and probably getting even more tetchy than usual, poor angel). And the promise of fireworks extraordinaire the first time Travis had to take orders from My Favorite Autocrat ... I like it. S'a pity, however, that I can't think up an excuse for Travis I to be recruited, since he is my preferred brand of Travii. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 23:09:18 PDT From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L]lost episodes: was: Animals Message-ID: <20000625060918.95630.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed After I wrote: <*Everything* was better than Stardrive, include the lost episodes.> Minnie wrote: Oh dear, you got one of the shortened video collections, did you? Fret ye not, there are good reasons why they were lost in the first place ... (P S - what *was* the name of Frankie Howerd's character in Up Pompeii? And given that there is slavery in the Federation, could one imagine him on the Liber ... maybe better not to.) FWIW, I've got this new theory that there were really seven different versions of each episode filmed, and we all got different mixtures. This would explain the feeling one gets sometimes of "were we watching the same show or what?" (which I am *certain* you have all had as well, probably when reading my posts ;-)) ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 23:10:19 PDT From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Crew, Models and Liaisons (OK, it's mostly about Jarriere) Message-ID: <20000625061019.70187.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Harriet wrote: Me too! So we could buy one assembled each, one kit for posterity, Mistral has committed to one ... we've got five The things we do for love ... speaking of which, I'll *commit* to an Avon, Blake, Soolin and Vila as well. 'Tisn't at my local video shop (mutter grumble) so I'll have to check out some others. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 23:12:47 PDT From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Kasabi (was crew) Message-ID: <20000625061247.96248.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Ika wrote: Kasabi is great, but I agree with Louise, she has her drawbacks as a guerilla leader (and she's a trained soldier. Given that so is Travis, who spends the last (best?) years of his life being bested by amateurs, Servalan, who helped him get bested at least twice when her own skin was threatened, the stuffed cardboard General Samor, and leap-before-you-look-champion Del Tarrant, one is beginning to wonder just what sort of training the Federation *do* give). And from Harriet: Depends on [a] how well she *takes* orders, since there is no way I can see Blake or Avon taking them from her (or in Blake's case, from anyone in the known universe), and [b] how she reacts to the free-for-all that is their version of teamwork (we don't see enough of Kasabi's group to work out whether she does run it on military lines, but I like to think she does.) I have this joyous feeling she wouldn't take to it - or to Avon and Vila for that matter - *at all*, which would make for exemplary fireworks. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 08:30:55 +0100 From: "Una McCormack" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Posting fanfic? Message-ID: <08d501bfde79$8cf1a900$0d01a8c0@codex> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ariana wrote: > I think I managed to work in > most of the pitfalls of fanfic described on Judith's site. ;) Ariana, aren't congratulations in order for your story 'A New Moon Over Bajor' winning kudos in the recent ASC (alt.startrek.creative) awards? Una ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 08:28:25 +0100 From: "Una McCormack" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Crew, Models and Liaisons (OK, it's mostly about Jarriere) Message-ID: <08d301bfde79$8b307100$0d01a8c0@codex> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Minnie wrote: > >>Harriet wrote: > > >Somebody round here (could it have been Betty?) once had the rather > >wonderful idea of putting DS9's Garak on the Liberator. Whoever it was, > >get on and write the story... > > > God thats scary. I was wondering if anyone had thought of this. :) > Shall I joint the queue to read this. Yes, it's Betty. Definitely join the queue! And if we all chant in chorus, she might go and write it! Una ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 08:26:57 +0100 From: "Una McCormack" To: Subject: Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals)) Message-ID: <08d201bfde79$888cef50$0d01a8c0@codex> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sally wrote: > Jessica asked: > but I really enjoyed that episode.> > > I liked quite a lot about it (it's one of the best episodes - as drama - in > series 3, IMO) though it just doesn't quite feel B7-ish to me. That's interesting. 'Sarcophagus' always feels *especially* B7 to me, because it's so character focused and, more importantly, it's an ensemble piece. They all do stuff in 'Sarcophagus' (well, except Dayna). That's why I like 'Deathwatch' so much: everybody is within character, and what they do is significant to the plot (even Dayna). I'd say that 'Deathwatch' is one of Boucher's cleverest scripts in that respect. Una ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 10:11:54 +0100 From: "Alison Page" To: Subject: Re: [B7L]lost episodes: was: Animals Message-ID: <01a501bfde85$c33f85c0$ca8edec2@pre-installedco> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >(P S - what *was* the name of Frankie Howerd's character in Up Pompeii? And >given that there is slavery in the Federation, could one imagine him on the >Liber ... maybe better not to.) 'Lurkio' IIRC I think Vila is part of the same tradition as Lurkio, going back to (plucks name out of air, probably wrongly) Plotinus? Some bloody Roman anyway. The lower class/slave who lurks in the background of the big events, giving a humerous commentary, chasing women and getting pissed - with the strong implication that he's the only one who is *not* being stupid. Just Vila is a bit better looking than average Alison ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 10:12:09 +0100 From: "Nyder" To: "Bob Vinisky" , Subject: Re: [B7L] Gauda Prime Message-ID: <007601bfde85$7e2c1ca0$dd1286d4@stx.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Vinisky To: Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 8:57 PM Subject: [B7L] Gauda Prime > Avon escaped! > http://www.europa.com/~bobvin/Alive.html > Two words: CAPTION THIS Fiona Moore whom some call Nyder, especially in the region of www.spinnwebe.com/iadl/ Fiona Moore http://redrival.com/nyder/indexx.html Resist the Host or your Oneness will be Absorbed ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 11:07:10 +0100 From: "Una McCormack" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Gauda Prime Message-ID: <08fb01bfde8d$22ed1120$0d01a8c0@codex> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fiona wrote: > > Avon escaped! > > > http://www.europa.com/~bobvin/Alive.html > > > > Two words: > > CAPTION THIS 'It was meant to be a *penalty* shootout...' Una ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 21:42:49 +0100 From: "Nyder" To: "Dana Shilling" , "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals) Message-ID: <003e01bfde83$f7509a40$dd1286d4@stx.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: Dana Shilling To: b7 Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 2:15 AM Subject: Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals) > (....who thinks Ultraworld is much, much worse than either > Sarcophagus or Animals) Agreed, though I'd rank them Sarcophagus-- Ultraworld-- Animals myself (Sorry, Una). Fiona Fiona Moore http://redrival.com/nyder/indexx.html Resist the Host or your Oneness will be Absorbed ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 11:31:38 +0100 From: "Una McCormack" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals) Message-ID: <090401bfde90$8e9d8cd0$0d01a8c0@codex> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fiona wrote: > Agreed, though I'd rank them Sarcophagus-- Ultraworld-- Animals myself > (Sorry, Una). I like all three of those! Una ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 09:54:08 +0100 From: "Nyder" To: "Jessica Taylor" , Subject: Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals)) Message-ID: <003f01bfde83$f8001420$dd1286d4@stx.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: Jessica Taylor To: Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 8:07 PM Subject: Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals)) > What was wrong with Sarcophagus? I Storywise, not much. Well paced, unusally creepy, nice dream sequences and unusually introspective. However, this still doesn't make up, IMO, for the fact that it's yet another Cally-taken-over-by-an-alien story, and that someone evidently didn't do too much research into the characters. Fiona Fiona Moore http://redrival.com/nyder/indexx.html Resist the Host or your Oneness will be Absorbed ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 09:58:35 +0100 From: "Nyder" To: "Jessica Taylor" , Subject: Re: [B7L] Re:Rumours of Death Message-ID: <004001bfde83$f8d11fc0$dd1286d4@stx.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: Jessica Taylor To: Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [B7L] Re:Rumours of Death > They use a similar device in a lot of Babylon 5 episodes, about once a > season the perspective would change and we'd see events occuring from the > other point of view. It's something I love about both shows this ability to > show the enemy as being human and not just a drone in the wrong uniform. Best used, though, in the film "Brazil": midway through the film, after seeing over an hour of brutality by masked troopers--and, incidentally, immediately aftter a particularly violent bit--the hero revives to see two troopers with their helmets off, chatting about how appallingly hot it is under the uniforms. One thing that irritates me about JMS is the way he frequently borrows shamelessly from "Brazil" without mentioning such. The ep where Sheridan is tortured at the end of S4 was straight out of "Brazil," and yet his comments on the Lurker's Guide about where the ep came from never mentions it at all. And frankly, I can't believe he's not seen it... 'scuse me, I'll just go sign on to the off-topic list now. Fiona Fiona Moore http://redrival.com/nyder/indexx.html Resist the Host or your Oneness will be Absorbed ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 11:37:51 +0100 From: "Una McCormack" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Re:Rumours of Death Message-ID: <090b01bfde91$6c8ce360$0d01a8c0@codex> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fiona wrote: > 'scuse me, I'll just go sign on to the off-topic list now. Hurrah! You'll be welcome over on the dark side, Fiona... Una ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 04:18:05 PDT From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals)) Message-ID: <20000625111805.26891.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed After I wrote: Una said: As I said, it's the ghost story and fantasy-ish trappings. It's just a personal thing. I can live with it (as indeed, I do even more happily in Duel but then Giroc *is* a much livelier dead person than the wet Cally-doppelganger in Sarcophagus. That is one of the latter's drawbacks - the alien is quite literally deadly dull.) Except (IMHO *only* I know, I know) Avon. There's a *lot* to admire about Deathwatch, the idea is clever, a lot of the lines are good, Deeta, Max and Vinni are great guest characters, and it *looks* good. But for me this is one of the *weakest* episodes for My Darling (even worse than Volcano and Dawn of the Gods), he both looks and acts like he's got a tummy bug. So (being utterly and unabashedly biased) while I admire it, I don't really enjoy it. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 04:26:45 PDT From: "Sally Manton" To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals)) Message-ID: <20000625112645.14663.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Fiona wrote: But it is the *best* of the taken-over-by-aliens stories (I do love The Web, truly, Judith, but *not* for Cally's part in it :-) Had Sarcophagus come first, of course, it would have had a much greater impact. It is a pity the writer of Sarcophagus doesn't seem to have taken much interest in the back-stories, however. BTW, I'd rank the three mentioned Sarcophagus - Animals - Ultraworld. Animals is just more *entertaining* (sometimes accidentally-on-purpose, like Avon's near-slip when Charging To the Rescue. One of my many favourite Avon moments, that). ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 07:36:09 -0400 From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: "Blake's 7 (Lysator)" Subject: Women we like [was Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)] Message-ID: <200006250736_MC2-AA0A-8859@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sally tried to find some common female ground: > Though I think we agree on how wonderful Kasabi is, don't we? > >I do love Jenna and Soolin, and of the guests love Levett, >Rashel, and Giroc, and like Maja (TWB), Sinofar (Duel), >Chenie (Gambit), Vena (Headhunter) and Verlis (Assassin - >and I've probably forgotten some, sorry). Come on Harriet, >there must be *someone* there you like. And while 'like' >may not quite be the right word, I think the best villain in the >entire series is Alta Morag (the 'banality of evil', indeed. She >gives me the creeps, for all the right reasons). > >Anna *could* be worse. She could have been Piri-ish. I could >*never* take Avon Suffering (no matter how Beautifully) for Piri ... Oh, OK. We agree on Kasabi, Alta Morag, and Piri. And Jenna on a good day. And Rashel and Chenie. Maja's OK, but we don't see her quite long enough for me to have much of an opinion. Ditto times several for Levett (I keep watching Mission for Destiny trying to understand the cult of Levett, but can't quite get it). Harriet ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 07:36:17 -0400 From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" Subject: Re: [B7L] Interesting food Message-ID: <200006250736_MC2-AA0A-885A@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Joanne retorted: >>Have you tried marmite on chocolate cake? > > So in how many months' >time does the happy event take place? It was my brother's idea, actually, about 30 years ago. Most of my good ideas (like watching Blake's 7, for instance) originally came from him. Harriet ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 04:47:24 PDT From: "Sally Manton" To: BLAKES7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: Women we like [was Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)] Message-ID: <20000625114724.53120.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed After I wrote (among other things :-): Harriet answered: Of course, mentally combining this with the thread on guests joining the crew has given me the joyously awful mental picture of Piri (presumably *not* turning into a villanous cliche, but staying the original cliched helpless heroine) on Xenon Base. Oh Avon, the pain, the pain ... ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 09:56:21 -0400 From: "Christine+Steve" To: "B7 Mailing List" Subject: Re: [B7L] Valium episodes (was Animals) Message-ID: <001101bfdead$382328c0$31049ad8@cgorman> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Una asked > > Has anybody else ever wondered what the offspring of Og and > > Dayna would look like? > > Steve? Hmmm... a large hairy monster with a large head wearing a grey tight-fitting jump suit. Nahhh.. doesn't really do it for me. *s* Steve Dobson. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 09:59:19 -0400 From: "Christine+Steve" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] crew Message-ID: <002301bfdead$a22c8b80$31049ad8@cgorman> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Judith asked: > to have joined the crew?> > We could be really weird and have some of the clonemasters on board. Soon knock off a few spare Avon's, couple extra Blake's, maybe even a troup of Vila's. Steve Dobson. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 16:28:06 +0100 From: "Una McCormack" To: Subject: [B7L] Deathwatch (was Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals))) Message-ID: <008501bfdeb9$f8b1c860$0d01a8c0@codex> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Me/Sally: > > > Except (IMHO *only* I know, I know) Avon. :) Should I attempt to contradict? > There's a *lot* to admire about > Deathwatch, the idea is clever, a lot of the lines are good, Deeta, Max and > Vinni are great guest characters, and it *looks* good. But for me this is > one of the *weakest* episodes for My Darling (even worse than Volcano and > Dawn of the Gods), he both looks and acts like he's got a tummy bug. Hehehe... Una ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 05:17:39 -0700 From: mistral@ptinet.net To: B7 List Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Crew, Models and Liaisons (OK, it's mostly about Jarriere) Message-ID: <3955F862.2C45F04E@ptinet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sally Manton wrote: > Harriet wrote: > Kelvin-painted Jarriere plus two in bits and pieces if that meant they got > commissioned.> > > Me too! So we could buy one assembled each, one kit for posterity, Mistral > has committed to one ... we've got five Does this mean we've got five Jarrieres before five Blakes? And would this correspondingly finally prove that Jarriere is the most beloved character after Avon? What fun! > The things we do for love ... speaking of which, I'll *commit* to an Avon, > Blake, Soolin and Vila as well. Whee! Now, who else wants Soolin and Vila? Must be somebody! Mistral -- "Ad hoc, ad loc, and quid pro quo. So little time! So much to know!" --Jeremy Hilary Boob, Ph.D. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 19:28:42 +0200 From: "Marian de Haan" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals) Message-ID: <002c01bfdeca$d5bc22e0$b2ee72c3@marian-de-haan.multiweb.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To Fiona's: >> Agreed, though I'd rank them Sarcophagus-- Ultraworld-- Animals myself >> (Sorry, Una). Una replied: >I like all three of those! I like two of them. (I won't mention the odd one out to spare Una's feelings.) :-) Marian ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 19:43:57 +0200 From: "Marian de Haan" To: Subject: Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals)) Message-ID: <002f01bfdecc$f0b435e0$b2ee72c3@marian-de-haan.multiweb.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To Una's: > Sally replied: >Except (IMHO *only* I know, I know) Avon. Sally and I don't always see eye to eye regarding Avon, but here I agree absolutely. > There's a *lot* to admire about >Deathwatch, the idea is clever, a lot of the lines are good, Deeta, Max and >Vinni are great guest characters, and it *looks* good. But for me this is >one of the *weakest* episodes for My Darling (even worse than Volcano and >Dawn of the Gods), he both looks and acts like he's got a tummy bug. I love his performance in Volcano, that and the Cally-Vila interaction is what makes it my favourite episode. I love the way he tricks Mori when he so innocently starts giving instructions to Zen and when he's shot he suffers so beautifully. (Sorry, Neil, I couldn't resist.) :-) Also that priceless scene when Vila offers him the drink, plus his reaction to the news of the loss of Cally and Orac. Maybe I should start a campaign for the appreciation of Volcano. Marian ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 18:46:02 +0100 From: "Una McCormack" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals) Message-ID: <00c801bfdecd$3fe88c10$0d01a8c0@codex> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Marian wrote: > To Fiona's: > >> Agreed, though I'd rank them Sarcophagus-- Ultraworld-- Animals myself > >> (Sorry, Una). > > Una replied: > >I like all three of those! > > I like two of them. (I won't mention the odd one out to spare Una's > feelings.) :-) 'Ultraworld' isn't *that* bad, Marian. (Of course, you wouldn't mean either of the other two.) Una ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 18:40:31 +0200 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] crew Message-ID: In message <002301bfdead$a22c8b80$31049ad8@cgorman>, Christine+Steve writes > >> Judith asked: >> > to have joined the crew?> >> > >We could be really weird and have some of the clonemasters on board. Soon >knock off a few spare Avon's, couple extra Blake's, maybe even a troup of >Vila's. Oh Hanneke... -- Julia Jones "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" 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