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blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 175
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals))
Re: [B7L] Posting fanfic?
Re: [B7L] Posting fanfic?
Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals))
Re: [B7L] Unsubscirbe
Re: [B7L] Re: Liberator crew size
Re: Women we like [was Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)]
Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals))
Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals))
Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals))
[B7L] Re: Back from the conference
Re: [B7L] Interesting food
Traves [Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #168]
Re: [B7L] Valium episodes (was Animals)
[B7L] Re: Traves
[B7L] 'Blake' and beyond
Re: [B7L] Re: Crew, Models and Liaisons (OK, it's mostly about Jarriere)
Re: [B7L] the final moments of dr plaxton
Re: [B7L] Valium episodes (was Animals)
Re: [B7L] crew
Re: [B7L] Valium episodes (was Animals)
[B7L] 'Blake' and beyond
[B7L] Traves
Volcano [Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals))]
[Off-topic] Greco-Roman comedy [was Re: [B7L]lost episodes:
was: Animals]
[Off-topic] Greco-Roman comedy [was Re: [B7L]lost episodes:
kasabi's army
Fwd: [B7L] 'Blake' and beyond
Re: [B7L] Back from the conference
Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals))
Re: [B7L] Re: Liberator crew size
Re: [B7L] Back from the conference
Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals))
Re: [B7L] crew
Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals))
Re: [B7L] Valium episodes (was Animals)
Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)
Re: [B7L] 'Blake' and beyond
Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals))
Re: [B7L] Animals
Re: [B7L] Greco-Roman comedy (back on topic?)
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Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 19:49:08 +0200
From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
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Subject: Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals))
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Sally wrote:
>BTW, I'd rank the three mentioned Sarcophagus - Animals - Ultraworld.
>Animals is just more *entertaining* (sometimes accidentally-on-purpose,
like
>Avon's near-slip when Charging To the Rescue. One of my many favourite Avon
>moments, that).
You mean you rank that slip higher than his gorgeous smile at the end of
Ultraworld?
Marian
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Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 16:57:21 +0100
From: "Ariana" <ariana@ndirect.co.uk>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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> Ariana, aren't congratulations in order for your story 'A New Moon Over
> Bajor' winning kudos in the recent ASC (alt.startrek.creative) awards?
Blimey! I didn't even notice! I haven't looked at ASC for ages; I knew ANMOB
was nominated, but then I forgot all about it. Must rush over there and see
if it's too late to write an acceptance speech... :)
Ariana
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Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 17:05:09 +0100
From: "Ariana" <ariana@ndirect.co.uk>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Posting fanfic?
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From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
> I don't think anyone would mind, though not everyone would read it.
> (I satisfied my curiosity about the new Randall & Hopkirk earlier this
> year, and a crossover with it doesn't appeal to *me*.
Well, this story certainly won't make any new converts, as it's a bit crap.
No award-winning "New Moon"-style venture this. :) I think I'll just put it
on my Web site and hope that people will drop by.
Ariana
http://www.alpha.ndirect.co.uk
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Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 18:39:05 +0200
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals))
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In message <20000625112645.14663.qmail@hotmail.com>, Sally Manton
<smanton@hotmail.com> writes
>It is a pity the writer of Sarcophagus doesn't seem to have taken much interest
>in the back-stories, however.
An interesting comment, since this is one episode script that counts as
fanfic. Tanith Lee was already a big fan of the series when she was
asked to write a script for it.
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 15:57:16 EDT
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Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 22:33:59 +0100
From: "Andrew Ellis" <Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com>
To: "Lysator" <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Liberator crew size
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>Helen,
>
>>>I think the Liberator was *supposed* to have enough people that one
>>>person could just stand there and press the button. 5-6 people do not
>>>make a full complement for a ship that size.
>
>I'm afraid that I have to disagree with you. The Liberator was built by the
>System, and was supposed to be crewed by Altas.
<>
>Murray
And I'm with Helen. There are just to many corridors etc for the ship to
only need to carry five people. Something more like Scorpio would have done
for five people. Heck, look at the size of pursuit ships, they took three.
It was just an impression I always had, that the ship was run bang on the
minimum crew. Maybe the extra passengers were not needed to "fly" the ship,
but carry out other roles. It might even have served as a cruise ship, it
might have been equipped for planetary assault, but there appeared to be
tons of space, and you don't transport all that extra air for nothing.
Gnog
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Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 20:32:55 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: Women we like [was Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)]
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Harriet wrote:
> (I keep watching Mission for Destiny trying to understand the cult of
> Levett, but can't quite get it).
I liked her because she obviously had brains and wasn't terribly pretty. So
she and I have one thing in common.
Neil
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Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 20:30:47 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals))
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Marian wrote:
>I love the way he tricks Mori when he
> so innocently starts giving instructions to Zen and when he's shot he
> suffers so beautifully. (Sorry, Neil, I couldn't resist.)
Yes you bloody well could. You just didn't bother.
I thought Volcano was pretty crap, mainly because it was written by Allan
Prior.
Sarcophagus, OTOH, is the top bollocks.
Neil (who still rates Dawn of the Gods as all-time worst episode, worse even
than Animals)
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Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 14:04:44 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
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After I wrote:
<Animals is just more *entertaining* (sometimes accidentally-on-purpose,
like Avon's near-slip when Charging To the Rescue. One of my many favourite
Avon moments, that).>
Marian asked:
<You mean you rank that slip higher than his gorgeous smile at the end of
Ultraworld?>
<Thinks...>
Um, yes. Though *not* above the eyelash shots.
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Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 14:28:41 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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Neil wrote:
<I thought Volcano was pretty crap, mainly because it was written by Allan
Prior.>
That's what I like to see, reasoned argument. Volcano's not *too* bad, but
the guests are pretty dire and the start of the private squabble with the
President makes the heart leap down a fair bit.
<Neil (who still rates Dawn of the Gods as all-time worst episode, worse
even than Animals)>
Going back to my "there ate good things in every episode" ... yes, there is,
truly, but you simply don't appreciate it the way Julia and I do.
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Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 18:51:34 -0400
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: Back from the conference
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Una reported on her distinguished academic performance:
>I was even more chuffed when Henry Jenkins ('Textual
>Poachers' guy) turned up specially to hear it!
Wow!
>As a result of the paper, I also made contact with some
>academics working on TVSF in the UK, and one of them
> invited me to give a paper at a panel he's doing on 'The
> Creations of Terry Nation'.
Hurrah!
>Can I thank everyone again for contributing to the study,
>and then debating the results with me?
Don't mind us, we'll just bask in reflected fame and glory.
Harriet
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Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 18:53:24 -0400
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Interesting food
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Neil retorted:
>No, and given my intense loathing of marmite I am unlikely to.
>Besides, the purity of chocolate cake is too precious to be violated.
Maybe it's just the combination you need to get hooked on marmite.
Joanne, the happy event has now taken place; Steve rang earlier today to
announce he'd managed to find two of the videos of Chris Boucher's Star
Cops for me. Only one to go!
Harriet
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Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 18:53:30 -0400
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Traves [Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #168]
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Fiona explained:
> Traves (assuming the noun is declined as third-gender
>regular, eg: canis, canes [that's "dog" for those of you
> who didn't have to take Latin at school])
At last! At last! Someone who can decline correctly! I've been trying to
sell this plural for years (though my analogy was "gravis").
Harriet
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 08:54:29 EST
From: "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Valium episodes (was Animals)
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>From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
>Sally asked:
> > Do we *all* have Valium episodes (as apart from just plain ones we don't
>like?)
>Death Watch. I like the scene with the TV presenter, but I yawn through
>the
>rest.
That should be shudder through, really. You know why.
Regards
Joanne
(not a good subject to start the week with, when the weekend was
depressing...)
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 09:06:37 EST
From: "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
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>From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
>At last! At last! Someone who can decline correctly! I've been trying to
>sell this plural for years (though my analogy was "gravis").
Urk. That's all I need - a vision of either Travis as a telekinetic
woodlouse. "Frontios" shall have to be removed from memory, even if it does
have George from "Drop the Dead Donkey" in it.
Regards
Joanne
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 14:10:17 +0930
From: "Minnie" <minnie@picknowl.com.au>
To: "Lysator" <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] 'Blake' and beyond
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Hi All
You may have discussed this before, but Ive been thinking recently (it does
happen occasionally <G>)what happened to blake before the final episode and
what might have happened afterward if Avon hadnt airated his vest.???
My worry/thoughts where this. Blake had taken to recruting ruffians,
murderers and possibly rapists and the like, what would this have meant to
the resistance movement?? He couldnt expect that these people would behave
themselves just because he said so.. He couldnt control the liberator crew,
and they were made of fairly decent people, even Avon.
Would Blakes new rebellion have been better/worse than the federation. He
knew who these people are, and what they did. We know this too after he's
spoken to Arlen and says something along the lines of ".......after all the
killing you've done". Is he so desperate that he will take anyone??
I dont think this would have been good if it had continued. I think perhaps
it was a good thing that Blake was stopped when he was. Dont get me wrong.
I like Blake. But what could have happened from here I wonder, if he wasnt
killed. Any thoughts??
Min. xxx
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 13:37:43 +0930
From: "Minnie" <minnie@picknowl.com.au>
To: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>,
<blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Crew, Models and Liaisons (OK, it's mostly about Jarriere)
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Una wrote that Minnie wrote that Harriet wrote: <G>
>> >Somebody round here (could it have been Betty?) once had the rather
>> >wonderful idea of putting DS9's Garak on the Liberator. Whoever it was,
>> >get on and write the story...
>>
>> God thats scary. I was wondering if anyone had thought of this. :)
>> Shall I joint the queue to read this. <G>
>
>Yes, it's Betty. Definitely join the queue! And if we all chant in chorus,
>she might go and write it! <vbg>
>
Oh this promises to be really quite interesting!! <rubbing my hands together
in glee>. Definitely in front of the queue for this one. <VBG> I think Garak
would be terribly amused by the trouble they get themselves into.
Min. xxx
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Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 12:40:44 +0100
From: "Nyder" <nyder@moore.britishlibrary.net>
To: "Roger the Shrubber" <powerplay@cheerful.com>,
"blake's seven" <blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] the final moments of dr plaxton
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From: Roger the Shrubber <powerplay@cheerful.com>
To: blake's seven <blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se>
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 12:01 PM
Subject: [B7L] the final moments of dr plaxton
> It felt a bit like the Nikita series - they always have the target make
> some kind of threatening move so that Nikita is justified in pulling the
> trigger, again a rationale for the viewer "Well she HAD to ...", whereas
in
> the movie Bridget just blew them away like a cold-hearted bitch.
>
I'm reminded of an anecdote I heard shortly before the "Tank Girl" movie
came out, in an interview with Tank Girl's creator. He said that the
Hollywood brass had had real trouble with the character as written, and
wanted to put in some kind of speech/flashback to the effect that she was a
violent psychotic because she'd been abused as a child. The creator's
reacton was to say "No, she's a violent psychotic cos she's *mental,* what
part of this don't you understand?"
Fiona
Fiona Moore
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Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 12:43:42 +0100
From: "Nyder" <nyder@moore.britishlibrary.net>
To: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>, <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Valium episodes (was Animals)
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----- Original Message -----
From: Marian de Haan <maya@multiweb.nl>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2000 8:50 PM
Subject: Re: [B7L] Valium episodes (was Animals)
> Sally asked:
> > Do we *all* have Valium episodes (as apart from just plain ones we don't
> like?)
I haven't watched Powerplay or Traitor in years, not because I don't like
them but because I just can't be bothered.
Fiona
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Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 21:11:38 +0100
From: "Nyder" <nyder@moore.britishlibrary.net>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>, "Ika" <blake@gaudaprime.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [B7L] crew
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> In the end I'm going to have to go for Major Thania (Trial) - the only
character
Really?!? I mean, she's a babe and all, but she's *such* an incredible ditz.
Mind you, that could make for some funny situations. "What do you mean, you
let this horde of evil mercenaries on board Liberator?" "Well, they told me
they were innocent travelling salesmen, and I believed them, naturally."
Fiona
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Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 12:45:14 +0100
From: "Nyder" <nyder@moore.britishlibrary.net>
To: "rita d'orac" <orac@inorbit.com>, <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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From: rita d'orac <orac@inorbit.com>
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Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2000 10:25 PM
Subject: Re: [B7L] Valium episodes (was Animals)
> >Sally asked:
> > Do we *all* have Valium episodes (as apart from just plain ones we don't
> >like?)
>
> "Voice From The Past" is my valium episode - it's the only one I don't
bother to re-watch, as I found myself unable to concentrate on it after
Blake persuades Vila to teleport him down to the asteroid. It was ok up to
that point...
> rita d'orac
I don't rewatch it either, but not cos it puts me to sleep. It's because
after the first five minutes the experience of watching it becomes
agonisingly painful.
Fiona
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 01:15:17 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] 'Blake' and beyond
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Minnie wrote:
<My worry/thoughts where this. Blake had taken to recruting ruffians,
murderers and possibly rapists and the like, what would this have meant to
the resistance movement??>
And pray what was so new about that? <g> His original crew were (lining up
the exhibits) one guerilla (aka to the Powers that Be 'terrorist') with a
marked enthusiasm for 'comanions for her death', one smuggler with extremely
shady connections, one large-scale embezzler, one murderer, and one
incorrigible theif. And with this distinctly non-respectable lot, he commits
mayhem on quite an impressive scale (Blake's fundamental attitude to law and
order is - errr - interesting.)
Yes, he takes Arlen knowing she's killed in the course of her supposed
dissident/terrorist activities, but then so has he, as part of the Liberator
crew (few of whom had clean hands) and afterwards. He's always been somewhat
detached towards killing when it's necessary; he's now grimmer and even more
dispassionate, but there's no evidence he recruited real scum (if you think
there is, please let me know where.)
From my reading of 'Blake', it's fairly clear that Blake and Deva choose
their targets from the information Deva collects, and therefore would weed
out anyone beyond the pale as not to be followed up. Blake then tests them
- a further (if extremely dangerous) weeding out. 'Tis fairly likely that
what are then left are for the most part no better or worse - if probably
not as pretty - as the Scorpio crew (of course, as Soolin points out,
*they're* hardly respectable ...)
The *only* people we see that Blake has recuited (i e tested and accepted)
are Deva and Arlen, and he tested - and passed - Tarrant (then let him get
away, silly clot). Killers all maybe (though I don’t think we actually *saw*
Tarrant murder a guard in Gold, he shot to kill as I recall but might have
missed), but not exactly ruffians and as for rapists (where did that come
from?), psychos or anything seriously evil ... no. No proof, and in the
absence of proof, I don't see any reason to believe it. His integrity was
always battered round the edges - he had no choice there - but he still had
it at the end.
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 02:13:31 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
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After Fiona wrote:
<Traves (assuming the noun is declined as third-gender regular, eg: canis,
canes [that's "dog" for those of you who didn't have to take Latin at
school])>
Harriet answered:
<At last! At last! Someone who can decline correctly! I've been trying to
sell this plural for years (though my analogy was "gravis").>
Well don't look at *me* to change my ways ... having learned all my Latin
from Asterix, I'm too lazy to change now.
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 06:58:28 -0400
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Volcano [Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals))]
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Marian said:
>Maybe I should start a campaign for the appreciation of Volcano.
After Tom Baskerville (two-and-a-half-year-old son of Ellie and Robert)
made me watch about two hours of Ivor the Engine the other day, we came up
with an idea for a crossover, in which the pacifists of Obsidian (aside:
Betty, you can get that into the Garak story) are living in the Welsh
dragons' gas-fired volcano and cause the blow-up by overloading their meter
with half crowns.
Harriet
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 06:58:45 -0400
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [Off-topic] Greco-Roman comedy [was Re: [B7L]lost episodes:
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Alison wrote:
>I think Vila is part of the same tradition as Lurkio,
>going back to (plucks name out of air, probably
>wrongly) Plotinus? Some bloody Roman anyway.
>The lower class/slave who lurks in the background
> of the big events, giving a humerous commentary,
>chasing women and getting pissed - with the strong
>implication that he's the only one who is *not* being stupid.
I think you mean Plautus? The only Plotinus I know being a philosopher.
Anyway, Plautus was reworking Greek New Comedy (the "young lovers
eventually win parental approval with help of cunning slave" sort of thing,
as opposed to Old Comedy, which is much more surreal and full of political
satire), so it goes back further than that, late fourth century BC at
least. Famous exponent being Menander - most of his work lost, but I do
remember the sole fragment of one act: "Is it true that your young master
is living with the guitar girl Habrotenon?" I can't swear to the guitar
girl's name being exactly that, but for some reason the line has always
stuck in my mind.
Harriet
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 13:59:54 +0100
From: Alison Page <alison_page@becta.org.uk>
To: "'blakes7@lysator.liu.se'" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [Off-topic] Greco-Roman comedy [was Re: [B7L]lost episodes:
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I hope the line spacing is readable in this. And I do claim it is *not*
off-topic :-)
Me >Plotinus? Some bloody Roman anyway.
Harriet > I think you mean Plautus?
That's the fellow! Thanks
The reason I mention him is that - again I'm wading into territory where my
knowledge is rather hazy - wasn't the film with Phil Silvers 'A funny thing
happened on the way to the coliseum', based on a play by Plautus? And then
wasn't 'Up Pompeii' somewhat loosely based on that film?
I always find it rather poignant that comedies in highly hierarchical
societies subvert the hierarchy, and sympathise with the underdog. While in
real life slaves and deltas and thieves are the scummest of the scum, and
afforded no sympathy at all.
Alison
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 19:45:13 +1000
From: "Roger the Shrubber" <powerplay@cheerful.com>
To: "blake's seven" <blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se>
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Ika wrote
If Kasabi hadn't died, though, she would have sorted them out and won >the
revolution in three episodes flat
****
While Kasabi was made of the right stuff, her lame rabble of rebels were a
complete joke. The two fools in the Forbidden zone come to mind, not to
mention the entire platoon who froze when the mutoids started firing.
I think Kasabi needed to find a fresh source of recruits. And then train
them properly.
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 13:36:57 EDT
From: B7Morrigan@aol.com
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Subject: Fwd: [B7L] 'Blake' and beyond
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Sorry Sally. Let's try sending it to the list instead of just to you
Trish
grumbling about dogs that insist upon throwing up and distracting one from
more important things in life...
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Sally wrote:
No proof, and in the
> absence of proof, I don't see any reason to believe it. His integrity was
> always battered round the edges - he had no choice there - but he still
had
> it at the end.
>
I'd quite agree that Blake was fairly selective within the pool from which he
drew. As for whether he still had it at the end, I suppose that depends on
which PGP you've read lately <g>
Trish
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 19:19:11 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Back from the conference
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From: Una McCormack <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
> I just got back from delivering a paper on the Q study at a conference in
> cultural studies in Birmingham. It's quite an important conference on the
> circuit, so I was fairly chuffed to get the paper accepted. I was even
more
> chuffed when Henry Jenkins ('Textual Poachers' guy) turned up specially to
> hear it!
Nice one!
> As a result of the paper, I also made contact with some academics working
on
> TVSF in the UK, and one of them invited me to give a paper at a panel he's
> doing on 'The Creations of Terry Nation'. Woo hoo! I'm going to argue that
> B7 was a Chris Boucher creation rather than a Terry Nation one, and I
throw
> that one over to you all for closer scrutiny!
It depends what you mean by creation. As far as I can gather, the original
concept was all Nation's (all but the bits he pillaged from elsewhere, like
Robin Hood and the Dirty Dozen and Huxley etc, which actually adds up to
quite a lot of the original concept). Boucher refined and redefined it, not
least through writing some of the most important episodes, but I wouldn't
say he created the series as such.
Depends on what you mean by 'creation', I s'pose...
Neil
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 18:46:30 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals))
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From: Sally Manton <smanton@hotmail.com>
> <Neil (who still rates Dawn of the Gods as all-time worst episode, worse
> even than Animals)>
>
> Going back to my "there ate good things in every episode" ... yes, there
is,
> truly, but you simply don't appreciate it the way Julia and I do.
If DotG featured Dayna and Cally doing a nude tango together I would still
rate it as all-time worst episode. I'd just watch it a bit more often.
Good moments do not automatically make for a good episode, any more than
duff moments automatically make for a duff ep (which is just as well,
because if they did then every ep would be a waste of space).
Neil
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 18:40:08 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Liberator crew size
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From: Andrew Ellis <Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com>
> It was just an impression I always had, that the ship was run bang on the
> minimum crew. Maybe the extra passengers were not needed to "fly" the
ship,
> but carry out other roles. It might even have served as a cruise ship, it
> might have been equipped for planetary assault, but there appeared to be
> tons of space, and you don't transport all that extra air for nothing.
I think Judith's website, on the Essays page, contains my hypothesis that
Liberator was actually a mining vessel.
Neil
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 14:08:22 EDT
From: B7Morrigan@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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> > As a result of the paper, I also made contact with some academics working
> on
> > TVSF in the UK, and one of them invited me to give a paper at a panel
he's
> > doing on 'The Creations of Terry Nation'. Woo hoo! I'm going to argue
that
> > B7 was a Chris Boucher creation rather than a Terry Nation one, and I
> throw
> > that one over to you all for closer scrutiny!
>
Neil wrote:
> It depends what you mean by creation. As far as I can gather, the original
> concept was all Nation's (all but the bits he pillaged from elsewhere, like
> Robin Hood and the Dirty Dozen and Huxley etc, which actually adds up to
> quite a lot of the original concept). Boucher refined and redefined it,
not
> least through writing some of the most important episodes, but I wouldn't
> say he created the series as such.
>
One might argue that Terry Nation gave birth to the series and certainly
created its foundation, series A, while Chris Boucher nutured and raised the
series from that starting point and developed it within the context of
Nation's vision. Whether or not Nation could have done so without Boucher
could probably be argued, however Boucher imprinted his vision onto B7 and I
think that B7 as it evolved was at least as much due to Boucher as to Nation.
Trish
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:15:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Wendy S. Penberriss" <penberriss@yahoo.com>
To: Una McCormack <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>, blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals))
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I'm back!
--- Una McCormack <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
wrote:
> Sally wrote:
>
> > Jessica asked:
> > <What was wrong with Sarcophagus? I keep wondering
> if I'm missing
> something
> > but I really enjoyed that episode.>
> >
> > I liked quite a lot about it (it's one of the best
> episodes - as drama -
> in
> > series 3, IMO) though it just doesn't quite feel
> B7-ish to me.
>
> That's interesting. 'Sarcophagus' always feels
> *especially* B7 to me,
> because it's so character focused and, more
> importantly, it's an ensemble
> piece.
That's what I love about it. And it's nice to see the
crew doing something introspective for a change-- give
the characters time to develop, which we don't get
that much of. That's also why I like RoD--well, one of
the reasons...
Wendy
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:23:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Wendy S. Penberriss" <penberriss@yahoo.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] crew
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In order:
Docholli
Kerril (why hasn't anyone else nominated her?)
Dayna's sister
Travis
Kara
Ensor (come on, he could have made it...)
Neebrox
Wendy
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:35:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Wendy S. Penberriss" <penberriss@yahoo.com>
To: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>, blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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--- Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
wrote:
> In message <20000625112645.14663.qmail@hotmail.com>,
> Sally Manton
> <smanton@hotmail.com> writes
> >It is a pity the writer of Sarcophagus doesn't seem
> to have taken much interest
> >in the back-stories, however.
>
> An interesting comment, since this is one episode
> script that counts as
> fanfic. Tanith Lee was already a big fan of the
> series when she was
> asked to write a script for it.
It shows, I think-- she'd obviously given a lot of
thought to the characters when she wrote it. It was
actually B7 that introduced me to Tanith Lee-- from
"Sarcophagus" it was only a short step to "Red As
Blood" and worse...
Wendy
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:37:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Wendy S. Penberriss" <penberriss@yahoo.com>
To: Marian de Haan <maya@multiweb.nl>, blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Valium episodes (was Animals)
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--- Marian de Haan <maya@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> Sally asked:
> > Do we *all* have Valium episodes (as apart from
> just plain ones we don't
> like?)
>
> Death Watch. I like the scene with the TV
> presenter, but I yawn through the
> rest.
Duel. I'm sorry, but Steven Greif just doesn't do it
for me.
Wendy
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:41:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Wendy S. Penberriss" <penberriss@yahoo.com>
To: Marian de Haan <maya@multiweb.nl>, blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)
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--- Marian de Haan <maya@multiweb.nl> wrote:
>
> Wendy S. Penberriss wrote:
> >The bit where they're taunting Shrinker I liked for
> showing up
> >another difference between Cally and the rest of
> the
> >crew-- you'd think, having been tortured herself,
> >she'd be even less lenient with him than the
> others.
>
> The Cally of S1 would have executed him herself.
> Cally's moral stance here
> is one of the things that makes me dislike the
> episode.
I think it just shows that Auronar have different
morals than humans. Who's to say she would have
executed him in S1?
Wendy
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:43:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Wendy S. Penberriss" <penberriss@yahoo.com>
To: Minnie <minnie@picknowl.com.au>, Lysator <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] 'Blake' and beyond
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--- Minnie <minnie@picknowl.com.au> wrote:
> Hi All
>
> You may have discussed this before, but Ive been
> thinking recently (it does
> happen occasionally <G>)what happened to blake
> before the final episode and
> what might have happened afterward if Avon hadnt
> airated his vest.???
>
> My worry/thoughts where this. Blake had taken to
> recruting ruffians,
> murderers and possibly rapists and the like, what
> would this have meant to
> the resistance movement??
I think Blake was totally crazy by that point and,
whatever he thought, was too unstable to mobilize a
viable resistance, so I don't think it would have made
a difference to the resistance as a whole.
Wendy
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:49:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Wendy S. Penberriss" <penberriss@yahoo.com>
To: Sally Manton <smanton@hotmail.com>, Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals))
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--- Sally Manton <smanton@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Fiona wrote:
> But it is the *best* of the taken-over-by-aliens
> stories (I do love The Web,
> truly, Judith, but *not* for Cally's part in it :-)
Certainly it's the one where the most hinges on Cally
being taken over by aliens-- elsewhere it's usually
just a catalyst or a plot twist, not as important as
in Sarcophagus.
> Had Sarcophagus come
> first, of course, it would have had a much greater
> impact.
True.
> It is a pity the writer of Sarcophagus doesn't seem
> to have taken much
> interest in the back-stories, however.
I think she pretty much *invented* the backstories
myself.
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Date: Mon Jun 26 20:15:11 BST 2000
From: Ika <blake@gaudaprime.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Animals
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> Sally wrote:
>
> > Do we *all* have Valium episodes (as apart from just plain ones we don't
> > like?) I recall Betty saying that a possible convert fell asleep during
> TWB
> > on her ...
Una:
>
> TWB is pretty slow... Umm, probably 'Pressure Point'. They all run across
> the grass, in turn. They all go down the blue corridor. Then the red
> corridor. Then the white corridor. It's quite possible we see them coming
> back, but I've usually given up by then.
>
I'm sure I've said this before, but I will keep saying it until I get my way
(hey, it worked for Blake) -
Servalan wears a hat in Pressure Point.
Therefore, it is a brilliant episode.
The logic of this is surely unassailable.
Love,
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 20:47:39 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Greco-Roman comedy (back on topic?)
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From: Alison Page <alison_page@becta.org.uk>
> I always find it rather poignant that comedies in highly hierarchical
> societies subvert the hierarchy, and sympathise with the underdog. While
in
> real life slaves and deltas and thieves are the scummest of the scum, and
> afforded no sympathy at all.
I think, in hierarchy-subversion comedy, the sympathetically-portrayed
underdog serves the purposes of the ruling class. He can expose the
contradictions of the ruling class' ideology without actually threatening
that ideology. He is not portrayed as an enemy of the status quo, rather an
observer, and ince his observations come from the bottom of the ladder, they
can be discounted as any advocation of meaningful change. Basically, he
allows those at the top to laugh at themselves in safety, and then go home
and carry on doing everything they've been laughing at all evening.
A close relative of this observing underdog is the 'cheeky cockney' type,
from which the character of Vila is derived. He is usually justified in
terms of providing comic relief, but this glosses over the essential nature
of the Cheeky Cockney's cheeky nature. His (or her) humour in adversity is
not there to provide relief in adversity, it is an essential survival trait
for someone to whom adversity is the norm. The Cheeky Cockney, such as
Vila, is a perversion of this need, created by and for those who are
unaccustomed to such extremes of adversity. They need the Vilas to justify
their perpetuation of the dire situations they themselves have created.
Vila, like Lurkio, reasserts the validity of the status quo, by pulling back
from the full implications of its horrific entirety.
Amazing what you think of in the shower...
Neil
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