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blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 18
Today's Topics:
[B7L] Avon & Friends
Re: [B7L] Many many people...
Re: [B7L] Many many people...
[B7L] Mental health & Governments
[B7L] Vila and Avon?
[B7L] B7L] Strictly OT, but Nuking Japan was RE: many, many peopl
[B7L] Mind drugs (was Many, many people)
Re: [B7L] Mental health & Governments
Re: [B7L] Mental health & Governments
[B7L] Avon's friends (was Many, mant people) How many threads has this spawned?
[B7L] Avon & frineds
(was Re: [B7L] Many many people...)
Re: [B7L] Mental health & Governments
[B7L] Back in the jug agane (was Many many people...)
Re: [B7L] Many many people...
[B7L] OT - bomb
Re: [B7L] Avon's friends (was Many, mant people) How many threads has this spawned?
[B7L] Re: I've got the set
Re: [B7L] Re: I've got the set
[B7L] Killer
Re [B7L] How to be Topp on the Liberatar
Re: [B7L] Killer
[B7L] Avon & Friends
Re: Re [B7L] How to be Topp on the Liberatar
Re: Re [B7L] How to be Topp on the Liberatar
Re: [B7L] Avon & Friends
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 21:26:23 -0000
From: "Andrew Ellis" <Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Avon & Friends
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>Judith Proctor wrote:
><Hey, how many friends do you think Avon had?>
Tanja answered and then Sally Manton wrote
>I came up with a list almost
>exactly like Tanja's........
Two things.
1) My answer, about 20, but we don't get to see them or hear about them.
After all if you don't need to get irrational to show that you care, why
should you harp on about friends you will never see again just to prove you
had some.
2) Well actually what do we mean by friend. An acquaintance, you speak to. A
friend, you go for a drink with. A good friend you confide in. A true friend
would pick you up out of the gutter (even if you constantly insulted his
intelligence) and vice versa (even if you had to give up a bolt hole to save
his life). So I put Gan down as one of Avons true friends.
Andrew
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 22:39:39 -0000
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Many many people...
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Neil wrote:
> Una wrote:
> >Don't be silly, Neil. *I'm* your friend. If only to hack you off so that
> > you
> >can't write 'I don't have any friends' any more.
>
> You, Una, may regard yourself as my friend, but I think of you as my
> implacable enemy, to be destroyed without compunction as soon as
opportunity
> allows.
That's the nicest thing anyone's said to me all week.
> So, fellow Lysters, if any of you ever see me at a con crawling around on
my
> hands and knees with my nose to the floor, I am not drunk out of my skull,
I
> am merely looking for Una.
Neil, some of us crawling in the gutter, others are looking at the stars...
> > Ah, but I can simply love him unconditionally. Hello, flowers... Hello,
> > trees...
>
> Dont look now but heer come Cally, she go triping down coriddors saing
> ''hello stars, hello comets'' She cannot help it, she is an alein and
must
> always think baeutiful thorts.
I refer the honourable member to wot I jusst sed.
> I thought of Ker Avons Guide to Being Topp on the Liberatar a long, long
> time ago, but it would need a fan artist who could do a passable Ronald
> Searle imitation.
I think that would be an excellent read.
> Actually, now I think of it, if you study the cartoons that accompany the
> opening credits of any old St Trinians film, I'm *sure* you can see Una in
> there somewhere. She might be the one carrying the bomb...
Alas, I am now firmly in the Alastair Sim role.
Una
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Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 10:20:17 EST
From: "Joanne MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Many many people...
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>From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
> > So, fellow Lysters, if any of you ever see me at a con crawling around
>on
>my
> > hands and knees with my nose to the floor, I am not drunk out of my
>skull,
>I
> > am merely looking for Una.
>Neil, some of us crawling in the gutter, others are looking at the stars...
Oh, I thought that meant Una was going to have a hellhound, rather than a
hedgehog, on her trail.
Regards
Joanne
(I'll wake up sometime today; I have to...)
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 17:13:49 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Mental health & Governments
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Ok, so the UK hs apssed a law enabling people to be commited as mentally
ill against their wills on the basic of psychiatric assessment,
regardless of past criminal behavior. Canada allows treatment by
electroshock therapy, a practice which I thought had been condemned as
both barbaric and useless several years ago.
But here in the States, we have people on Death Row whose families
begged government agencies to hospitalize or institutionalize them
before they did harm. We've had parole boards let free prisoners whose
psychiatrist's swore the patients told them they were going to act on
fantasies of torture and murder.
I'm all for individual rights, but the U.S. just turned loose the
mentally ill to fend for themselves to save money. The mentally ill here
are frequently homeless. Many suffer from paranoia and other judgement
distorting problems that cause them to avoid medications that could
help them control themselves. Then they drive off cliffs in a state of
hallucination or depression. Or go out and kill people because their
socks told them to. Sometimes you have to say that people need to be
treated BEFORE they are rationally capable of accepting or rejecting
treatment, and in the case of violent sex offenders, they must be
incarcerated for life.
Yes, there is the possiblity of people being set up (as was Blake-- tie
in!) as a danger when they are not. But that is what appeals hearings
are for.
Most of the people on Death Row are either retarded or suffer from some
form of insanity. And we cannot discount the victims' deaths as being
partly the responsibilty of institutions that refused the burden of
being caretaker.
Just a reminder that this is not an easy issue. While the Canadian
example given is horrible, the problems of the unaided mentally ill in
the US has swollen out of proportion, due to governmental respect for
the rights of those who cannot use those rights safely.
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 17:19:37 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Vila and Avon?
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> Andrew Ellis wrote:
>
> > Provided you agree that Vila chose to allow Avon to be dominant, I agree.
>
> Oh, absolutely. Some people are more comfortable in a non-dominant
> role, and Vila is one of them. He can still take charge when needed,
> and he's brilliant in his field (which Avon recognizes). The reason
> they play so well together is because they're *both* comfortable
> with the way their relationship is sorted out. Vila does let Avon
> boss him around, but *only so far*.
>
> Mistral
Well, I just finished reading Full Frontal Murder... in which Curt
Hollan, Avon Avatar, is in a submissive situation. He's not enjoying
it-- but on the other hand, he tells his captor that S/D usually works
because both parties know it's make-believe and the handcuffs come off
when they're done.
Avon trusts Vila as much as anyone, I think. So maybe he'd have fun
reversing the expected roles. And maybe Vila would enjoy a little
feeling of power.
I can't believe I'm writing this commentary. ::blush::
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 17:37:27 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] B7L] Strictly OT, but Nuking Japan was RE: many, many peopl
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I've been told that the Emperor was refusing surrender after the 1st
bomb, under the claim that it had to have been a one-of-a-kind thing.
(Which would indicate a very strange way of thinking, but doesn't mean
it isn't true). The second bomb was dropped to prove otherwise. Also,
wasn't Japan warned in advance that the US would be using a new type of
weapon and that they should evacuate the Hiroshima?
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 17:42:00 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Mind drugs (was Many, many people)
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> They got it wrong, of course - what we've got is the right to the *pursuit*
> of happiness. Actually *getting* it is a whole 'nother matter! Personally,
> too many happy people gives me the creeps.
>
> Nina
Inded. Which is why I'd rather hang out on the list with all my
disfunctional friends. :^/
--Avona
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 17:51:00 -0600
From: Lisa Williams <lcw@dallas.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Mental health & Governments
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Helen Krummenacker wrote:
>Canada allows treatment by electroshock therapy, a practice which I
>thought had been condemned as both barbaric and useless several years ago.
In the interests of accuracy, I suggest you check the date on the Canadian
example Alison cited. The reference she gave had a publication date of
1967; the actual case might have been even older. What the current
situation is I don't know, but you can't draw too many conclusions about
present-day practice from something that happened over 30 years ago,
especially given the significant advances in the mental health field over
that period. (Yes, I know there is still a long way to go, but things have
changed a *lot* since the '50s and '60s.)
Also, electroshock -- last I heard, which was a few years ago -- was still
considered to have some limited use in treating severe depression. At the
time, it was being employed primarily in cases where other treatment had
failed, where the patient consented to its use, and it was administered
with the patient under sedation. (They weren't tying people down and taking
cattle prods to them.) It tends to affect short-term memory, and hence was
considered a last resort and only for limited use, but it sometimes helped
when other methods had failed.
- Lisa
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 17:00:09 -0700
From: Penny Dreadful <pennydreadful@powersurfr.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Mental health & Governments
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At 05:13 PM 19/01/00 -0700, Helen Krummenacker wrote:
>Or go out and kill people because their
>socks told them to.
First teleportation, now this? Radix malorum sox sunt!
obB7, does anyone else think that sock Vila is wearing when he teleports
down into the puddle in 'Orac' seems suspiciously transparent? Do they all
wear nylon space-pantyhose under their space-vinyl trousers to prevent
space-chafing?
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 17:54:17 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Avon's friends (was Many, mant people) How many threads has this spawned?
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> Hey, how many friends do you think Avon had? How many of the crew actually
> liked our favorite pain-in-the-neck? (or should that be 'second-favourite pain
> in the neck' if we're rooting for Neil?)
>
> I'm not talking love, nor co-opertion, nor even a good working relationship.
> Just plain old-fashioned liking. Vila in 'Gambit' is the best example that
> comes to mind (and then Avon goes and risks his life <sigh>).
>
> Judith
>
I think-- almost all of them. Jenna's the only one I don't really think
did. He played the anti-Blake thing too well in her presence. And Zen,
if you count him.
I don't think any of them liked him all the time, but then, most
friendships have their rough spots. Nonetheless... Blake and Vila joked
with him, Gan seemed disposed to like anyone unless he was *really* sure
he shouldn't like them, Dayna took a shine to him from the start (she's
probably the only one who didn't start out on the wrong foot with him).
Orac responded better to him than to *anyone* else, which might be
because of him understanding computers, but seemed to me to be more of
an electronic whim (reminded Orac of Ensor?) Tarrant fans have given a
number of examples of the two of them getting along well in past posts.
They had a rocky relationship, but Tarrant wouldn't have stuck around if
he didn't live the people enough. Same thing with Soolin-- they weren't
in big trouble with the Feds yet, and they were independent minded.
Cally-- once again, rockiness based purely of ethics, but an underlying
fondness.
OTOH, with a bastard like that, you aren't going to be inclined to
*tell* him you like him. A dry, "Isn't that nice?" is about the best
response you'd expect.
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 17:57:06 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Avon & frineds
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Sally said:
> I sometimes think Orac considers Avon *his* pet/favourite toy
> as much as Avon considers Orac *his*.
I absolutely agree with this assessment.
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 18:03:27 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
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Neil said:
>
> You, Una, may regard yourself as my friend, but I think of you as my
> implacable enemy, to be destroyed without compunction as soon as opportunity
> allows.
>
Isn't he adorable when he's like this? Let's all give him a great, big
cyber-hug!
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 22:55:50 -0700
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Mental health & Governments
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On Wed, 19 Jan 2000 17:13:49 -0700 Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
writes:
>But here in the States, we have people on Death Row whose families
>begged government agencies to hospitalize or institutionalize them
>before they did harm. We've had parole boards let free prisoners whose
>psychiatrist's swore the patients told them they were going to act on
>fantasies of torture and murder.
>I'm all for individual rights, but the U.S. just turned loose the
>mentally ill to fend for themselves to save money.
To be fair, the mentally ill were let loose because 1) people became
aware of truly appalling conditions in many mental hospitals, 2) it was
proved that many people could be treated successfully in ways other than
commitment (drugs--they have to remember to take--treatment centers--that
have to be built and staffed--etc. Sadly, many seemed to think the Tooth
Fairy was going to take care of it), and (most importantly) 3) during the
60's and 70's there was a large number of people who thought the insane
were simply eccentric and/or nonconformists and it was only 'the system'
that abused them and institutionalized them.
There's a really frightening number of novels and stories from this time
working on this theme. Usually, only the psychiatrists are nuts (or
evil).
So, the law changed so that, unless someone was an immediate threat to
him/herself and/or others, they would be released.
The _refusal_ to change the laws or to provide the facilities to help
those who could make it on their own with assistance is to save money
(plus social entropy and the occasional rights group who still buys all
those 70's theories)
'The Way Back,' being written in the late 70's, still reflects this
attitude. It's not like a guy who thinks everyone is out to get him and
doesn't have a shred of evidence to support his claims could be _wrong_.
Ellynne
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Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 18:01:18 EST
From: "Joanne MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Back in the jug agane (was Many many people...)
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>From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
>I thought of Ker Avons Guide to Being Topp on the Liberatar a long, long
>time ago,
Oh, the images - Travis (either one) and the mutoids as the Pukon and his
treens; Vila as molesworth 2; Blake as grabber (the mrs joyful prize for
raffia work, anyone?); Orac as... what? A foopball, perhaps?
Regards
Joanne
(makes a change from Corporations Law books)
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Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 10:18:49 +0000 (GMT)
From: Iain Coleman <ijc@bsfiles.nerc-bas.ac.uk>
To: Neil Faulkner <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
Cc: b7 <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Many many people...
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On Wed, 19 Jan 2000, Neil Faulkner wrote:
> So, fellow Lysters, if any of you ever see me at a con crawling around on my
> hands and knees with my nose to the floor, I am not drunk out of my skull, I
> am merely looking for Una.
I must remember that excuse. It may come in useful.
Iain
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Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 10:55:17 -0000
From: Alison Page <alison_page@becta.org.uk>
To: "'blakes7@lysator.liu.se'" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] OT - bomb
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Avona said -
> I've been told that the Emperor was refusing surrender after the 1st
> bomb, under the claim that it had to have been a one-of-a-kind thing.
No, not at all. There's a lot of historical documentation on this one, and
that is why there is a debate as to whether the second bomb were necessary.
If there had been any evidence that the emperor was refusing surrender, then
clearly it would have been widely publicised by the Allied victors as a
legitimate reposte to their critics throughout the decades since. In the
same way that Hitler's refusal to surrender is very clearly documented and
widely known about.
> Also,
> wasn't Japan warned in advance that the US would be using a new type of
> weapon and that they should evacuate the Hiroshima?
Again, if this had been the case there would have been no motive to cover it
up, on anyone's part. Why would it have been kept secret for fifty five
years?
Also - if the purpose of the Hiroshima bomb was to demonstrate the power of
Atomic weaponry, without loss of life, then it could have been exploded in
any less populated area - on Mount Fuji for example. It would be quite
unnecessary to pick a highly populated target, and yet evacuate it of its
population. The decision - rightly or wrongly - was made.
What strikes me so forcibly about this whole debate is the degree of
ignorance about the historical context of such an important event in world
history, and the obvious emotional impact that is encouraging people to
espouse these hugely unlikely rationales.
It happened - it was done by people long before any of us were born. It was
an ugly decision at the end of an ugly war. Let's not try and pretty it up.
Alison
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Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 18:46:45 +1100
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon's friends (was Many, mant people) How many threads has this spawned?
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On Wed, Jan 19, 2000 at 05:54:17PM -0700, Helen Krummenacker wrote:
> OTOH, with a bastard like that, you aren't going to be inclined to
> *tell* him you like him. A dry, "Isn't that nice?" is about the best
> response you'd expect.
LOL!
Actually, I think you're absolutely right, there.
Rebel Recruit Mary-Sue: Avon, I really like you.
Avon (dryly): Isn't that nice.
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Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 08:51:01 -0500
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: I've got the set
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Steve wrote:
>I now have the complete set, to go with my
> other complete set of original releases
I got Blake (and a clone) on Tuesday!
How long until they start to release the DVD set, do you suppose?
Harriet
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Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 14:11:59 -0000
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: I've got the set
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Harriet wrote:
> Steve wrote:
> >I now have the complete set, to go with my
> > other complete set of original releases
>
> I got Blake (and a clone) on Tuesday!
>
> How long until they start to release the DVD set, do you suppose?
Please don't say that, I just can't bear it.
I gather that the BBC have put a hold on their DVD releases for the moment,
anyway.
Una
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Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 09:15:05 -0800
From: Susie Wright <piscescat@home.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Killer
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Hi All,
I'm halfway through Muir's book, just finishing up Series B comments.
As I was reading about "Killer" a thought struck me.... it aired in 1979
and dealt with a plague. Was England aware of AIDS yet? It wasn't
called "AIDS" yet in New York, but there was certainly an awareness that
there was a big problem and people were beginning to die. Granted, the
plague story is a common sci fi theme so it could've just been a
coincidence in timing.
I've got 11 digests to read and at a quick skim looks like there's some
interesting content.
Susie
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Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 10:43:01 -0000
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re [B7L] How to be Topp on the Liberatar
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This is me eg Ker Avon superwhizzo computer-feend of the Liberatar which is
the spaceship I am on. Here I wish to shair with you some of the prescious
nuggets of wisdom hem-hem I hav gleened from working with a fanatic
revolushonary.
THE DANGERUS MISSHUN
Every so oft Blake hav this grate idea to steal sipha machine/sekrit weapon
ect from Evil Federashun. Here is how it go.
Arrive in orbit around planet no one hav heard of before. Blake hav made
all think without aksherly saing so that we are going to Pleasher Planet
with BEER and GURLS cheers cheers but no it is yet another Dangerus Misshun
chiz. We hav so many of these, sometimes my dear it seem they come by every
week. By right we should all be dead 52 times over by now but Blake seem
determined to push our luck to the Outer Limits (pun).
BLAKE: Right crew lissen carefully put away your gurly magazeen Vila and
Jenna stop panting yor nales. We hav to steal Top Sekrit Federashun Weapon
from base on this planet so we teleport to here, march through swamp
infested with fire-breathing alein crocodiles swim across lava field cut
through elektrified fence give sossages to feroshus guard dogs ...
At this point I choose to intervene:
KER AVON (me): Ohblakeohblakeohblakeohblakeohblake!
Blake ignore me he hav thort up this plan weeks ago and nothing will stop
him.
BLAKE: ... kill six hundred deadly traned troopers to ensure we get element
of surprize.
KER AVON: OHBLAKEOHBLAKEOHBLAKEOHBLAKEOHBLAKE!!
BLAKE: Yes wot is it Avon?
KER AVON: Blake why don't we teleport strate into base and steal sekrit
weapon Blake when everyone is asleep Blake then we leave planet before they
even know we hav been there?
Blake regard me with furrowed brow this idea hav never ocurred to him.
BLAKE: (thinking hard this do not come easily to his rebel brane) No Avon we
cannot do it that way it only take up 48.6 secs and we hav nearly fifty
minutes to fill. Wot do we do for rest of ep?
At this point I pla my trump card (a trick I learn from Vila tho I do not
admit since he is one whom (grammar) I profes to despise).
KER AVON: But surely, Blake, by submiting to the demands of standardised
televisual format, you are betraing yore comitment to revolushun and
condonning insidius system that washes the branes of peeple you clame to be
liberating.
BLAKE: Good greef, Avon, yore rite, I never see it that way before. I hav
even better idea we do not go to planet at all we confound ordience
expectrations and hide in middel of galaxy for rest of series.
OMNES: Heer heer, well done Avon, good one oh stalwart chap ect.
Of corse it never happen like that we go to planet and do everything Blake
sa, get shot at capchered torchered dangled over tank of viscious pirarnas
ect. But that is a revolushonarys life for you my dear so hie-diddle-ee-dee
and pass the shadow.
If innosunt viewers know wot reelly go on abord Liberatar they rite to
Federashun begging to hav us banned.
"The only good alein is a dead alein" - Ursula Leguiun
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Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 14:06:11 -0600
From: Lisa Williams <lcw@dallas.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Killer
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Susie Wright wrote:
>As I was reading about "Killer" a thought struck me.... it aired in 1979
>and dealt with a plague. Was England aware of AIDS yet?
Too early. The first case of AIDS in the US wasn't identified until 1981,
and while others quickly followed, it wasn't recognized as infectious until
late 1982, nor was the scope of the epidemic clear in the early days. (I
believe the HIV virus was isolated in 1983.) I don't have information on
when the disease first appeared in the UK, but there certainly wasn't any
awareness of an infectious "plague" as early as 1979.
- Lisa
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Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 12:26:48 PST
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Avon & Friends
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After Judith wrote:
<Hey, how many friends do you think Avon had?>
Andrew wrote:
<My answer, about 20, but we don't get to see them or hear
about them.>
<gurgle> of course, both Tanja and I were talking about
friends we actually got to glimpse (there could be - oh,
hundreds - out there...) Though given Avon's less than
endearing personality, I think 20 is rather overdoing it.
Ten would be rather generous for his entire lifetime,
methinks (me also thinks he would agree rather forcefully).
I find a figure of 3 actual friends out of the entire
Liberator/Scorpio contingent of 9 is quite amazingly
generous when you think about it...
<After all if you don't need to get irrational to show
that you care...>
A bit off the question, but I so love that line from Duel
- he's *been* behaving irrationally since The Web (possibly
Time Squad), but do you think he's going to admit it?
<Well actually what do we mean by friend <snip>. So I put
Gan down as one of Avons true friends.>
Well, Judith *did* define her question as someone who
'actually liked our favourite pain-in-the-neck' (as distinct
from just getting along with/being able to work with) and I
put in the 'and he liked' meself. Gan is an extraordinarily
tolerant man, and loyal to his team-mates, but...no, I don't
think he likes Avon much at if all as a person (not that I
can blame him...would even those of us who love Avon really
want to *live* with him???) And vice versa to a even lesser
degree - there's some responsibility, loyalty, even (on odd
moments, as in Avalon) forbearance on Avon's side - but real
liking does involve *some* thought about the other as an
individual personality - and Avon IMO rarely bothers to do
that with anyone.
If you define it as someone who 'would pick you up out of
the gutter', Gan has probably been friends with nearly
everyone he met in his life (murdering Federation goons
excepted, of course) <g> and although Avon gives up his bolt-
hole and - in an astonishing display of esprit de corps -
supports going into *undefined* danger when Gan's life is
in danger, when the danger suddenly becomes all-too-definable,
that's a veeeerrrry different matter...
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Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 12:51:54 -0800
From: mistral@ptinet.net
To: B7 List <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: Re [B7L] How to be Topp on the Liberatar
Message-ID: <38877569.89E6A5DC@ptinet.net>
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Neil Faulkner wrote:
> THE DANGERUS MISSHUN
Ow! Ohhh!! Neil, this is just TOO MUCH FUN!!
This one gets printed out for easy re-reading :)
> If innosunt viewers know wot reelly go on abord Liberatar they rite to
> Federashun begging to hav us banned.
No, just moved to the Othar Chanul.
LOL!
Mistral
--
"Who do you serve? And who do you trust?"
--Galen, 'Crusade'
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Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 21:42:58 +0000
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: b7 <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: Re [B7L] How to be Topp on the Liberatar
Message-ID: <NzBAnUAiF4h4Ewyh@jajones.demon.co.uk>
In message <000601bf637e$088dc0c0$e535fea9@neilfaulkner>, Neil Faulkner
<N.Faulkner@tesco.net> writes
>This is me eg Ker Avon superwhizzo computer-feend of the Liberatar which is
>the spaceship I am on. Here I wish to shair with you some of the prescious
>nuggets of wisdom hem-hem I hav gleened from working with a fanatic
>revolushonary.
<hysterical giggling>
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 19:25:32 -0700
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon & Friends
Message-ID: <19990120.192534.9790.0.Rilliara@juno.com>
On Thu, 20 Jan 2000 12:26:48 PST "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
writes:
would even those of us who love Avon really
>want to *live* with him???
Well, if you mean 'live with' in the sense of a permanent, monogamous,
gold ring sort of 'live with' . . . . you knew the asnwer already, right?
Ellynne
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