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blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 194
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L] Zenith & Sally Knyvette
Re: [B7L] Zenith & Sally Knyvette
[B7L] Re: APE
[B7L] Corrections/Additions on Zenith & Misc.
[B7L] After the revolution (was 'Blake' and beyond)
[B7L] Jarvik joins the crew (from digest 183)
[B7L] Garak meets Avon
[B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #185
[B7L] Smuggling
Re: [B7L] Ansible mention
Re: [B7L] Corrections/Additions on Zenith & Misc.
Re: [B7L] Zenith & Sally Knyvette
Re: [B7L] After the revolution (was 'Blake' and beyond)
Re: [B7L] Corrections/Additions on Zenith & Misc.
Re: [B7L] Re: APE
Re: [B7L] Jarvik joins the crew
[B7L] After the revolution 4/7/xx (sorry 7/4/xx)
Re: [B7L] Zenith & Sally Knyvette
Re: [B7L] Ansible mention
Re: [B7L] Corrections/Additions on Zenith & Misc.
Re: [B7L] Ansible mention
[B7L] Zenith & Sally Knyvette
[B7L] Jenna
Re: [B7L] Ansible mention
Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of stock
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Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 16:46:25 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Zenith & Sally Knyvette
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Marian wrote:
<I think it's a pity that Sally Knyvette left because out from under Blake's
shadow, her character could have developed the way it should have been from
the start. [snip] Imagine at the end of Aftermath, Avon teleporting up to
the Liberator with Dayna and being confronted not by Tarrant, but by Jenna
pointing a gun at him: "Avon, what are you doing on my ship?">
As I've said before, the battle might have been fun, but Avon would have
won. He's got the numbers on his side (Vila, Cally *and* Dayna).
Mind you (taking this a little further) suppose it *had* been Jan Chappell
who deicded to leave instead of Sally Knyvette. Given that, they wouldn't
have needed a *new* hot-shot pilot, but assuming that the makes still wanted
Steven Pacey ... a gunfighter might have been useful addition, no? So
instead of Del, we get *Deeta* (whom I like a *lot*, but would hate to have
to put up with that name and that hairdo on a weekly basis.) Somehow, I
think both Avon and Vila would have taken to the older brother rather better
than the younger (I do think Avon might almost have liked him) and the crew
dynamics - Jenna, Avon, Vila, Dayna and Deeta - *would* have been quite
interesting.
Then at the end of 3rd series, Sally follows Jan and they need a new pilot
... and Soolin taking Del Tarrant's place in 'Blake' does boggle the mind a
little.
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Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 16:33:23 -0700
From: mistral@ptinet.net
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Sally wrote:
> Then at the end of 3rd series, Sally follows Jan and they need a new pilot
> ... and Soolin taking Del Tarrant's place in 'Blake' does boggle the mind a
> little.
Like the whole idea, but that bit especially.
Mistral
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Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 23:15:12 EDT
From: JEB31538@cs.com
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I forgot who posted the first part. Harriet??
> In June, we were told about a publication called APE which included a B7
> graphic story by Loulou Harris and might be available via WHSmith. Smith
> and other places I tried looked blank, and the notice did say something
> about getting copies by mail order when the retailers started returning
> them. Are there any more details on this?
Una replied.
No, I've not had any success either. Their website is:
http://www.apemag.demon.co.uk/home.htm, and there is an email address for
people who want issues.
I went to the website and Emailed them and received no reply so far. Did
ANYONE ever get a copy of this?
Joyce Bowen
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Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 00:26:30 EDT
From: JEB31538@cs.com
To: freedom-city@blakes-7.org, blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Corrections/Additions on Zenith & Misc.
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Visiting Judith Proctor's website, http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7/
I cannot find a direct link to Mark Thompson's site (SOLDIERS OF LOVE and
THE ACTOR SPEAKS). That's probably okay as Judith sells everything that he
sells, I believe. However, the Thompson website is
http://www.ghostlands.demon.co.uk/
The prices for THE ACTOR SPEAKS you need to check on both Judith's site and
Horizon's site to compare them. http://www.jorizon.org.uk/
The prices on Judith's site are UK 10 pounds and USA 19 dollars cash.
Judith's website says Liberatored (Sheelagh Wells's audio tape) is out of
print now. I don't know if that's an error or not. The last I heard both
Blake's Back and Liberatored were NOW currently in stock for a brief time.
The tapes are $15 for Americans. I urge everyone who doesn't have them to
order them now--either through Judith's website or directly from Sheelagh.
You might have to Email Judith to find out if the comment on Liberatored is
true or not. I think she just forgot to remove the notation. I hope
that's the case. If not, then the reprint runs are really LIMITED.
Sheelagh Wells will take dollars checks. So for her you can send cash or
checks.
Sheelagh J. Wells, 20A New Road, Brentford, Middlesex TW8 ONX, UK.
It is definite that Blake will be the next model and is in progress right
now. Do be sure to visit Judith's website and specifically Email her which
models you want to buy NEXT after Avon and Blake. It's expensive, but
let's face it---after over 20 years, don't we deserve to finally have some
models? Support this project.
ZENITH--If I have any criticism, it's that I would have preferred the
episode pictures for "Trial" to have been bigger. I know this would have
meant the zine was a few pages longer, but it would have been worth it. I
love this series of photos/telepics.
I would have liked them to have been the size of the ones they used for "Star
One," at least.
I really do urge everyone to support this project, and, also, to start
Emailing Andy with ideas for the next ZENITH. Andy's Email is
andyrh@netcomuk.co.uk
Joyce
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Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 22:26:51 -0600
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] After the revolution (was 'Blake' and beyond)
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On Tue, 04 Jul 2000 01:34:30 PDT "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
writes:
>
> I doubt that the lower grades of worlds like Albian (who along with
> the rest
> of the population were being ground into *total* impoverishment -
> and guess
> who normally starve first) would quite see it that way
If I remember right (big if), there are supposed to be levels on this
kind of thing. People just barely surviving are supposed to be unlikely
revolutionaries only so long as they feel change threatens their survival
more than the status quo (I know, who does these studies? What do they
consider a control group?).
OTOH, expectations also play a part. Especially if information (like
about successful rebels or other forms of government) is getting out.
Then there's people at a minimum survival level who see themselves as
being _cheated_ out of a better life. Then there's the factor of control
(much of 19th century factory life depended on control issues and how
successfully workers could be made to feel powerless against the
factories they worked for. This often meant in your face abuse at the
work site [a critical miscalculation of the Powers That Be during the New
York news boys strike - overlooking how much control these boys were used
to having over their lives as compared to the average factory worker.
They were more aware of surviving on their own skills and weren't used to
the same kind of dayly intimidation (probably different kinds of
intimidation, sure, but not the kind that favored caving easily to
pressure as a long term survival tactic)]).
Oh, and let's not forget people who feel they ought to have power (like
Avon and Carnell) but don't - and can cause trouble (remember the French
Revolution?).
But, hey, I just saw a 4th of July pageant with a three year old
(representing American colonists) standing up to the five year old
British and saying "I'm opwessed!" Anyone can do it, they just need to
be properly motivated.
Ellynne
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Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 21:19:24 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Jarvik joins the crew (from digest 183)
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> How about Servalan only stunning Jarvik, rather than killing him, and Jarvik
> joining the crew, set on overthrowing a Federation regime so cold, heartless
> and dependant on technology ? A three way struggle for control ?
>
How about, a quick one-way trip out of the airlock. Technocrat Avon
might be involved, but mostly, I don't think Cally and Dayna would have
much tolernace with a Ben Steed (is it coincidence his initials are
B.S.?) macho man.
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Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 21:46:21 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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> As for torture: wasn't Garak's stare supposed to be his most important
> interrogation tool? Just get him into a staring match with Avon. And I'd
> love to read the ensuing exchange of insults.
>
> Jacqueline
Avon> How often does your species have to blink, did you say?
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Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 21:59:16 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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> Yes, there are ethnic stereotypes, but they don't exactly translate. I
> realized once that the social equivalent of My Fair Lady in America would
> be to present an African American woman in the same time period wanting
> to learn to pass for white - and that casting the play to present that
> would probably make it too offensive to present around here. Call it
> different cultural landmines.
>
Actually, have you seen "Showboat"? It wasn't the main character, but a
strong supporting role-- an apparently white woman had her career
destroyed and her marriage invalidated (although her husband promised to
stick with her) by the revelation that she was by legal definition
black.
Actually, in modern America, Henry Higgins would be tired of being seen
as a complete nerd and getting beat up by thugs after he told them what
part of L.A. they came from and what gang they belonged to based on
their accents. So he would hire Eliza from the projects to teach him how
to wear his jeans down low and kickbox his way to coolness. Our modern
media equate any form of culture with negative stereotypes....
getting off my rant and onto Blake's 7, if Avon had ended up on a prison
planet with Vila, Mr. High IQ might have wanted to take a few lessons on
blending in inconspicuously after he got beat up a few times.
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Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 22:16:50 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Smuggling
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> Ellynne wrote:
>
> > Jenna - We know she won't smuggle certain drugs and possibly other
> > goods.
>
> We also know she had at least some dealings with the rebels, in the
> form of Avalon. It is entirely possible, within the framework of
> canon, to view Jenna as a completely "good guy" smuggler: running
> supplies to the rebels and doing her bit to take down the Federation
> even before she met Blake. I wouldn't necessarily go quite that far,
> myself, but in terms of the discussion of Our Protagonists'
> criminality being depicted as relatively sanatized and tame, I'd say
> it's relevant that that possibility, at least, is left open.
>
Isn't that in "To Have and Have Not"? (A Humphrey Bogart film)-- as with
"Casablanca", there's this suggestion that he's this criminal type, but
then we find out his crime was basically trying to help people
policitically by smuggling. I use a similiar thing in an original
horror/SF story, where the narrator protaganist is a gun smuggler, but
speaks at the start about his dual reasons; the extra money is useful,
but his biggest motivation is having relatives in the region he's
arming.
Just to point out there are plenty of precendents for smugglers wearing
white or grey hats.
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Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 08:07:01 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Ansible mention
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From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
> Quote from this month's Ansible:
<quote>
> Someone scrag Dave for that at the next con, please...
If that's 'Dave' as in 'Langford' then he's allowed to get away with it. He
can savage some of my favourite books and have me laughing in gratitude.
Neil (remembering Langford's assault on Stephen Donaldson when he was book
reviewer for White Dwarf)
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Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 08:15:47 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Corrections/Additions on Zenith & Misc.
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> ZENITH--If I have any criticism, it's that I would have preferred the
> episode pictures for "Trial" to have been bigger. I know this would
have
> meant the zine was a few pages longer, but it would have been worth it.
I
> love this series of photos/telepics.
> I would have liked them to have been the size of the ones they used for
"Star
> One," at least.
I like the pics in the top right corner of page 47, one above the other but
they look like one picture. Of a mini-skirted Avon staring down at Travis.
Neil
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Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 10:53:57 +0200
From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Zenith & Sally Knyvette
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To my speculating about a third season with Jenna, Neil replied:
<snip>
>And if they'd done it that way, then we'd have lost some of the classic 3rd
Season episodes, like Rumours, unless Blake really turned out to be Anna
Grant in disguise.<
LOL but I disagree, it would have worked like a treat. Think of Sula
inviting Blake to help with her coup. He does the negotiations with her so
Avon doesn't meet her - and of course the name Sula doesn't mean anything to
Avon. Then, at the moment of the coup, Avon accompanies Blake and comes
face to face with Anna...
This scenario would at least have spared us the irritating coincidence of
Avon deciding to visit Servalan at the exact moment of Anna's coup. But it
would not have had the opening scene of Avon suffering - [you were right
Neil, I *can* resist ;-)] in that cell, so maybe it wasn't a good idea after
all. <eg>
Marian
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Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 11:10:54 +0200
From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] After the revolution (was 'Blake' and beyond)
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>Ellynne wrote:
<snip>
>Oh, and let's not forget people who feel they ought to have power (like
Avon and Carnell)<
I don't think Avon wants any power except over his own life. It's servalan
in Aftermath who mentions his desire for it, but I think she misreads him
there. People are inclined to project their own sentiments and motivations
on others; Servalan is power mad, so in her view everyone else must be also.
Carnell may think himself already all powerfull, considering his profession
and high opinion of himself.
>But, hey, I just saw a 4th of July pageant with a three year old
(representing American colonists) standing up to the five year old
British and saying "I'm opwessed!" Anyone can do it, they just need to be
properly motivated.<
Or coached. :-)
Marian
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Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 10:00:48 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Corrections/Additions on Zenith & Misc.
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Neil:
> I like the pics in the top right corner of page 47, one above the other
but
> they look like one picture. Of a mini-skirted Avon staring down at
Travis.
Good lord, you're quite right. That looks brilliant.
Una
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Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 10:06:01 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: APE
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Joyce:
> Una replied.
> No, I've not had any success either. Their website is:
> http://www.apemag.demon.co.uk/home.htm, and there is an email address for
> people who want issues.
>
> I went to the website and Emailed them and received no reply so far. Did
> ANYONE ever get a copy of this?
Well, I emailed and got a reply straight away, and sent off a cheque for the
first two issues, so hopefully it will arrive real soon now.
Una
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Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 11:29:22 +0200
From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Jarvik joins the crew
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Helen Krummenacker wrote re Jarvik:
>How about, a quick one-way trip out of the airlock. Technocrat Avon
might be involved, but mostly, I don't think Cally and Dayna would have much
tolernace with a Ben Steed (is it coincidence his initials are B.S.?) macho
man.
And, since Jarvik would probably be a worse bully than even Tarrant, one may
assume that Vila would be applauding the act - from a safe distance. :-)
Marian
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Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 20:38:51 +0100
From: "Andrew Ellis" <Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] After the revolution 4/7/xx (sorry 7/4/xx)
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Just read an interesting e-mail about the fate of the 50 odd professional
people who signed the US declaration of independence. Basically it sounds
like they all died, or ended up bankrupt. But the Americans still think they
are better of without us ?
Anyway, these guys must have been a bit like Blake. Professional people,
with a grudge, who took extreme actions and self sacrifice in order to start
the revolutionary ball rolling. Once it was going, the ordinary people
joined in.
Any of our American friends care to take up the analogy, whilst they are
still misty eyed from Tuesday.
Gnog.
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Date: Sat Jul 8 20:47:18 BST 2000
From: Ika <blake@gaudaprime.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Zenith & Sally Knyvette
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Marian wrote:
> I think it's a pity that Sally Knyvette left because out from under Blake's
> shadow, her character could have developed the way it should have been from
> the start. Potentially, Jenna and Avon were well matched and it's a shame
> so little was done with that. With Blake gone, they could have engaged in a
> battle for command of the Liberator.
>
> Imagine at the end of Aftermath, Avon teleporting up to the Liberator with
> Dayna and being confronted not by Tarrant, but by Jenna pointing a gun at
> him: "Avon, what are you doing on *my* ship?"
>
That would have been absolutely *brilliant.* It would also have been nice for
the relationship between Jenna and Avon to take centre stage so that we didn't
have so much antler-clashing between two boys (not that I mind that!), but had
a more layered and conflicted relationship between a man & a woman (the closest
we get is Avon and Servalan, I guess). Somebody write this as fanfic, please.
> Jenna would have insisted they kept up the search for Blake and I think
> Cally would have backed her. That would have given S3 the needed direction
> and they could still have had all the adventures of that season, as the
> search for Blake would provide all the opportunity for them to encounter all
> those nasty individuals and phenomenoms. (I'm saying this badly but what I
> mean is that the writers wouldn't have had to go for things like
> recklessness, scientific curiosity or plain stupidity to get the crew into
> trouble.)
I rather like the way there's not much effort to find Blake or fight the
Federation in S3 - it makes a nice balance between the crusade of S1-2 and the
Avon-slowly-going-mad-because-he's-internalized-Blake of S4, and in many ways
makes the absence of Blake more marked: they just don't know what to do with
themselves... But it does seem in character for Jenna to insist. Though maybe
if she *did* come out from Blake's shadow she would realize she doesn't need
him to do her dreaming for her (this is my personal canon btw) and can beat the
Federation all on her own. (I think Sally Knyvette once said that if they'd
given control of the Liberator to Jenna and Cally they'd have got to Servalan
and won the war within a week...)
Love,
Ika
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Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 10:06:05 +0200
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: b7 <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Ansible mention
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In message <000501bfe8ab$3e2dbde0$e535fea9@neilfaulkner>, Neil Faulkner
<N.Faulkner@tesco.net> writes
>If that's 'Dave' as in 'Langford' then he's allowed to get away with it. He
>can savage some of my favourite books and have me laughing in gratitude.
Yep, Dave as Langford, as in record holder for most fanzine Hugos - and
as you say, capable of savaging my favourite books and still leaving me
ROFL. Anyone who's interested in SF gossip should subscribe to Ansible,
especially as it's available by email. The website's at
http://www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/SF-Archives/Ansible/
The slash writers might be interested in one item mentioned in 155 and
156, about the perils of having a BDSM fiction website...
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 17:07:09 EDT
From: B7Morrigan@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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In a message dated 7/8/00 5:12:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk writes:
> Subj: Re: [B7L] Corrections/Additions on Zenith & Misc.
> Date: 7/8/00 5:12:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time
> From: una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk (Una McCormack)
> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se (b7)
>
> Neil:
>
> > I like the pics in the top right corner of page 47, one above the other
> but
> > they look like one picture. Of a mini-skirted Avon staring down at
> Travis.
>
> Good lord, you're quite right. That looks brilliant.
>
>
This is a tease so that we all must buy it, isn't it. Avon in a mini-skirt,
hold on, I am getting the checkbook out now...
Morrigan (aka Trish)
"I don't mind rough. It's fatal I'm not too keen on. "
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Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 21:47:43 GMT
From: predatrix@ntlworld.com (Predatrix)
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Ansible mention
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On Fri, 7 Jul 2000 20:24:14 +0200, you wrote:
>Quote from this month's Ansible:
>
>J.K.ROWLING, as the whole world knows by now, received an OBE in the
>Queen's birthday honours last month. (Also honoured was Josette Simon of
>Shakespearean thespian fame and _Blake's Seven_ infamy.)
>
>
>Someone scrag Dave for that at the next con, please...
Right, he's next on the list after PTerry for that con-speech saying
"I have been many bad things in my life, but never a Blake's Seven
fan"
Cheers, (...wondering if Chris Blenkarn has done _I've Got A Little
List_ yet...) Pred'x
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Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 15:03:04 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Zenith & Sally Knyvette
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Ika wrote:
<But it does seem in character for Jenna to insist. Though maybe if she did*
come out from Blake's shadow she would realize she doesn't need him to do
her dreaming for her (this is my personal canon btw) and can beat the
Federation all on her own. (I think Sally Knyvette once said that if they'd
given control of the Liberator to Jenna and Cally they'd have got to
Servalan and won the war within a week...)>
Sorry - Jenna is my favourite female character, but I think that's just
*very* wishful thinking on the actress's part. Jenna *is* bright, capable,
and a great pilot - but very definitely a leaner. She and Cally are good at
last minute rescues, but I can't see any gift for planning or leading in
either of them (and you will notice how, in 3rd season when there *isn’t*
anyone to give impetus to her aims, Cally turns into a drifter. It's not
just the lack of plans for the rebellion - it's the lack of anything at all
other than the general muddle-and-go-nowhere.)
Furthermore, Jenna has little gift for inspiring trust or loyalty in her
teammates (witness Bounty). I simply don't think she could lead a crew for
very long before it fragmented and broke apart (especially since Avon - for
all his less than endearing qualities - *does* have the ability (which he
doesn't want!) of inspiring loyalty.
I think it's easy to underestimate just how well Blake actually *did* in
this dreadfully one-sided battle. When you consider just what resources
Blake had (the ship, the computer and five less-than-wholehearted recruits),
and what his *enemies* had (half the galaxy), he actually did a *brilliant*
job just staying unsquashed by episode 3. I really can't see Jenna or *any*
of the rest (except Avon) managing even a tenth as well (but then, I am
biased).
Even if Jenna remained with the ship after Star One, she wouldn’t command -
Avon wouldn't *let* her on *his* ship (yes, he did, sort of, in Bounty, but
Blake seems to have left her in charge, something *he* never did again). And
if it came to a battle, as I said, it would end with Avon in command
(something I think Blake knew - witness exactly who's word he wanted over
Star One, and witness Jenna ceding command of the battle to Avon at that
point.). Rather earlier than he was in the series, where the others had to
push rather a *lot* ...
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Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 15:17:45 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Jenna
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Jurgen wrote:
<One more question: what did you think of Jenna's part in Redemption?>
<sheepish grin> to be honest, I barely noticed her *or* Cally *or* Gan. One
has one's priorities, you know ...
Though one has to say it *is* the episode where she has to do the earnest,
dramatic 'what's going on?" bit several times, (how *did* she get landed it
with?) and I wince each time. Through the early fight scenes I think I *did*
find her a bit more wooden than normal.
OTOH one also has to say the cell bit is nice (my guess is that it's cold,
*she* feels like cuddling up a bit, even if it's to Avon <g>, but he's doing
his best *un*-cuddly bit. )
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Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 00:27:53 +0200
From: Jacqueline Thijsen <inquisitioner@wish.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: b7 <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Ansible mention
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At 10:06 8-7-00, Julia Jones wrote:
>http://www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/SF-Archives/Ansible/
>The slash writers might be interested in one item mentioned in 155 and
>156, about the perils of having a BDSM fiction website...
Oh dear, the horror of naked breasts. Fortunately there are plenty of brave
officers willing to protect the world from such infamy. And I'm sure they
didn't stare at that poster a second longer than was absolutely necessary
for evidence gathering.
So, when is breast feeding going to be banned as improper behavior? It
would be the most liberating law in years. Just think of all those women
who would no longer have to postpone getting a boob job for fear that the
operation would make it impossible for them to feed their babies the
natural way.
Jacqueline
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Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 22:37:31 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of stock
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Well, the subject header says it all, really. I no longer have any copies
of Pressure Point to sell, so if you were thinking of ordering one, I'm
afraid you're too late. I have no plans to do another print run.
Can I just thank everyone on this list who bought a copy (and hopefully
enjoyed it), and of course a big thank you to Judith P for handling overseas
sales on my behalf.
Neil
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