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blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 195
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L] Ansible mention
Re: [B7L] Ansible mention
Re: [B7L] Sally Knyvette
Re: Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of stock
Re: [B7L] Sally Knyvette
Re: Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of stock
Re: Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of stock
Re: [B7L] Sally Knyvette
Re: [B7L] Ansible mention
[B7L] Gambit fight
[B7L] Pressure Point out of stock
Re: [B7L] Stock equalization
Re: [B7L]After the revolution (was 'Blake' and beyond)
Re: [B7L] Zenith & Sally Knyvette
Re: Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of stock
Re: Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of stock
Re: [B7L] Sally Knyvette
[B7L] Stock equalization
Re: Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of stock
Re: [B7L] Sally Knyvette
Re: [B7L] Sally Knyvette
Re: Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of stock
[B7L] Judith proctor's website
Re: Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of stock
[B7L] Re: Pressure Point out of stock
[B7L] Re: Judith Proctor's website
Re: [B7L] Zenith & Sally Knyvette
Re: [B7L] Zenith & Sally Knyvette
Re: Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of stock
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Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 02:39:52 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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From: Predatrix <predatrix@ntlworld.com>
> Cheers, (...wondering if Chris Blenkarn has done _I've Got A Little
> List_ yet...) Pred'x
She has, and you can find it at
http://www.hermit.org/blakes7/Filk/GotList.html
Strangely enough, if you click on <next> at the top of the page, you get
another Little List by ... erm ... well, me.
Neil
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Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 13:53:32 EST
From: "Jessica Taylor" <morgaine54@hotmail.com>
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>From: predatrix@ntlworld.com (Predatrix)
>To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
>Subject: Re: [B7L] Ansible mention
>Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 21:47:43 GMT
>
>Cheers, (...wondering if Chris Blenkarn has done _I've Got A Little
>List_ yet...) Pred'x
>
Yeah, I'm prtty sure there's one in the filk section on Judith Proctors
site, if you get time check out Neil (Faulkners) version as well, it really
is hilarious.
Jessica
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Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 09:59:42 +0200
From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Sally Knyvette
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Ika wrote:
>I rather like the way there's not much effort to find Blake or fight the
Federation in S3 - it makes a nice balance between the crusade of S1-2 and
the Avon-slowly-going-mad-because-he's-internalized-Blake of S4, and in many
ways makes the absence of Blake more marked: they just don't know what to do
with themselves<
A very good observation. I never thought of looking at S3 that way but it
makes sense. Also, after fighting the Andromedans - and nearly losing the
Liberator - they may well suffer from battle fatique, making even the
dedicated revolutionay Cally long for a rest. Although I would have
expected Avon and Vila to want to rob a few banks (teleporting right into
the vault where the safes are), just to keep in form, you know. :-)
>... But it does seem in character for Jenna to insist. Though maybe
if she *did* come out from Blake's shadow she would realize she doesn't need
him to do her dreaming for her (this is my personal canon btw) and can beat
the Federation all on her own.<
From Vila's praise in The Way Back we get the impression that she's a very
successful smuggler. In that light it seems strange that she was prepared
to let Blake take command. But maybe in her smuggling days she had a
partner who did the thinking. :-)
> (I think Sally Knyvette once said that if they'd given control of the
Liberator to Jenna and Cally they'd have got to Servalan and won the war
within a week...)<
They all could have done that but it would have ended the Series
prematurely. Like Neil said about the search for Blake getting predictable,
Servalan could not be killed because she had to be in the next episode. But
it would have been fun to see Jenna and Cally plot a raid against Servalan
while Avon and Vila are too busy with their crime schemes to notice what the
ladies are up to until it is too late.
Marian
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Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 01:28:13 -0700
From: mistral@ptinet.net
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Neil Faulkner wrote:
> Well, the subject header says it all, really. I no longer have any copies
> of Pressure Point to sell, so if you were thinking of ordering one, I'm
> afraid you're too late. I have no plans to do another print run.
>
> Can I just thank everyone on this list who bought a copy (and hopefully
> enjoyed it), and of course a big thank you to Judith P for handling overseas
> sales on my behalf.
And thanks to you for editing/publishing Pressure Point and
Stadler Link.
I haven't had time to do more than flip through my copies since
they arrived but just a quick look through left me impressed with
the editing.
When the lyst was discussing 'what we look for in fanfic', I didn't
take time to join in, because most of my wish list was covered by
others (ftr: recognizable characters properly voiced and a logical,
well-told tale; OCs should be at least 2-D), but top of my list is good
editing and proof-reading. It doesn't matter how good the story if
I'm constantly being reminded by poor grammar, spelling, and
punctuation or a distracting layout that it's only words on a page.
The medium should be transparent, so that the message can
come through.
Many of the zines in my collection really fall down in this area, but
Pressure Point and Stadler Link make the grade, with enough white
space, a plain, legible typeface, a simple but attractive layout, and
a much better than average job of copy-editing and proof-reading.
Plus, even my can't-tell-a-cliché-at-three-paces eye can see that
some of the stories are fresh and imaginative. I'm looking forward
to finding a long, quiet evening or two for reading them.
It's too bad for future fans that there won't be another print run;
but I hope, Neil, that you're planning to do more zines? If so, I'll
certainly queue up to buy. (Hedgehog Press? Gives a bit of a new
spin to the term quill pen, doesn't it? <g>)
Keep up the good work, please.
Mistral
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--Jeremy Hilary Boob, Ph.D.
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Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 12:09:32 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Sally Knyvette
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From: Marian de Haan <maya@multiweb.nl>
>Ika wrote:
> > (I think Sally Knyvette once said that if they'd given control of the
> Liberator to Jenna and Cally they'd have got to Servalan and won the war
> within a week...)<
>
> They all could have done that but it would have ended the Series
> prematurely. Like Neil said about the search for Blake getting
predictable,
> Servalan could not be killed because she had to be in the next episode.
More to the point, as Gareth Thomas pointed out on one of the excellent
Together Again tapes ("I've got the se-et! I've got the se-et! Yah boo suks
and whizz for attoms"), either the motley little band of rebels were going
to win, or the Federation were going to win. And if you look at it
realistically, it was no contest, despite whatever Sally Knyvette might say.
As if getting rid of Servalan would have made any real difference anyway.
The Federation wasn't any one person, it was an invisible structure
permeating society from the top down. It would take a mass revolt to tear
it down and erect something new in its place, and half a dozen renegades on
a super whizzo alien spaceship simply can't do that, no matter how super and
whizzo the spaceship happens to be.
> But
> it would have been fun to see Jenna and Cally plot a raid against Servalan
> while Avon and Vila are too busy with their crime schemes to notice what
the
> ladies are up to until it is too late.
It would certainly have been nice to see the women taking a more active role
in the formulation of strategy, suggesting possible targets, drawing up
attack plans etc, or even just being consulted now and again. Though in the
first two seasons that was strictly Blake's province anyway. He was the one
calling just about all the shots, so it would be erroneous to talk about any
kind of gender divide on that count. It is true, though, that three of the
four male characters had more than their fair share of action and dialogue.
Neil
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Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 12:24:33 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of stock
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From: <mistral@ptinet.net>
When the lyst was discussing 'what we look for in fanfic', I didn't
take time to join in, because most of my wish list was covered by
others (ftr: recognizable characters properly voiced and a logical,
well-told tale; OCs should be at least 2-D), but top of my list is good
editing and proof-reading. <snip> Many of the zines in my collection
really fall down in this area, but
Pressure Point and Stadler Link make the grade>
You mean by having a glaring typo in the second paragraph of the first page
of the very first story? For 'hits' read 'huts'. Oh, I halve a spelling
checquer...
<It's too bad for future fans that there won't be another print run;
but I hope, Neil, that you're planning to do more zines?>
I was certainly planning to, but I've had second thoughts. Much as I enjoy
the designing and layouting stuff, I loathe the hassle of running off to
the printers and mailing the zines out. Simply procuring the stamps can be
a problem sometimes. And I hate taking money off people, no matter how
willing they are to part with it.
On top of that, I'm no longer writing any fanfic myself, and since Pressure
Point came out last autumn I've had *one* submission for any future zine and
a very short one at that. So unless I suddenly get inundated with
brain-frazzling stories, there will be no more Hedgehog zines.
Then again ... I really am in two minds over the whole business. There will
*probably* be no more Hedgehog zines. But not through any negative comment
on the first two, because I honestly haven't had any.
Neil
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Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 04:20:00 -0700
From: mistral@ptinet.net
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Neil Faulkner wrote:
> Pressure Point and Stadler Link make the grade>
>
> You mean by having a glaring typo in the second paragraph of the first page
> of the very first story? For 'hits' read 'huts'. Oh, I halve a spelling
> checquer...
What's the matter Neil, can't take a compliment gracefully?
I didn't say it was perfect, I said it was much better than the
average (of what I've seen). If you really want me to nitpick,
I've found two misplaced double quotes and a missing space.
Those are tiny little hiccups compared to some zines where
I've had to go back and read the sentence four times and still
can't make out what the author meant for the character to
be saying since the sentences are so ungrammatical.
> <It's too bad for future fans that there won't be another print run;
> but I hope, Neil, that you're planning to do more zines?>
>
> I was certainly planning to, but I've had second thoughts. Much as I enjoy
> the designing and layouting stuff, I loathe the hassle of running off to
> the printers and mailing the zines out. Simply procuring the stamps can be
> a problem sometimes.
Hm. I think Kathryn has a solution to this; something about PDF
files and Linda Knights?
> And I hate taking money off people, no matter how
> willing they are to part with it.
Give the people what they want, comrade.
> On top of that, I'm no longer writing any fanfic myself,
That's the second time you've said that. I won't pry into your
reasons, but it's fandom's loss.
> and since Pressure
> Point came out last autumn I've had *one* submission for any future zine and
> a very short one at that. So unless I suddenly get inundated with
> brain-frazzling stories, there will be no more Hedgehog zines.
You heard Neil, folks. Please help frazzle his brain with a few stories.
Mistral
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--Jeremy Hilary Boob, Ph.D.
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Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 04:35:13 -0700
From: mistral@ptinet.net
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Neil Faulkner wrote:
> It would certainly have been nice to see the women taking a more active role
> in the formulation of strategy, suggesting possible targets, drawing up
> attack plans etc, or even just being consulted now and again. Though in the
> first two seasons that was strictly Blake's province anyway.
Though I did like Cally's coming up with the plan in Weapon. She
was certainly the most appropriate one besides Blake for coming
up with a plan on her own, though I suppose Avon or Orac could
have done so if Blake had asked.
Mistral
--
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--Jeremy Hilary Boob, Ph.D.
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Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 10:21:32 +0200
From: Steve Kilbane <steve@whitecrow.demon.co.uk>
To: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
cc: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Ansible mention
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> If that's 'Dave' as in 'Langford' then he's allowed to get away with it. He
> can savage some of my favourite books and have me laughing in gratitude.
>
> Neil (remembering Langford's assault on Stephen Donaldson when he was book
> reviewer for White Dwarf)
Ah, yes. The closing section of award two, from Langford's talk given at
the first British SF Convention, and quoted from The Silence Of The Langford:
"[Donaldson] has the knack of
defusing his big scenes--distracting your attention by sandbagging you with
his dictionary, so that rather than being held enthralled the sensitive,
cultured reader is apt to remark, 'What the fuck's he on about?'
"(This was the sentiment inspiring a favorite Ansible colophon, which went,
inter alia: "Ansible 32 is argute with analystic refulgence and beneficent
manseutude; it makes it preterite way to you, hurled like a jerid from the
gaunt, compulsory visage of Dave Langford [....]
"For his achievement Mr Donaldson receives a Collins Pocket Gem Dictionary,
on the strict understanding that he gets rid of the one he's using now."
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Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 05:04:40 -0700
From: mistral@ptinet.net
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As to SK and JC over-acting in their fight scene, when was the
last time you saw a real catfight that wasn't a little over-the-top?
But what *really* bothers me is when the scene cuts to Blake
in the back room, and the sound of the fight is looped--glaringly.
What genius came up with the money- and labour-saving idea
of looping four seconds of tape three times instead of recording
twelve? I cringe every time I hear it.
Mistral
--
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--Jeremy Hilary Boob, Ph.D.
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Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 09:24:10 PDT
From: "Hellen Paskaleva" <hellen_pas@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Pressure Point out of stock
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Neil:
>I no longer have any copies
>of Pressure Point to sell...
I just re-read these days my copy and thought when to expect the next one...
Hellen
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Date: Sun Jul 9 17:25:21 BST 2000
From: Ika <blake@gaudaprime.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Stock equalization
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Sarah T:
> Fiona, in addition to Dayna and her father, and the two warlords, there is
> also an anonymous black individual in "Traitor," presumably thrown in just
> to prove Avon corect in his statement that Dayna would not be conspicuous on
> Helotrix because the Stock Equalization Act was in force at the time it was
> settled. I assume that bit must have been put in because the BBC had been
> getting awkward questions as to why there were no black people besides the
> Mellanbys themselves in Series 3.
I've always been bothered by that bit. The question of why the Mellanbys appear
to be the only black people in the galaxy is fairly easily answered ("that's
the BBC in the 70's for you"), and I think they'd have done better to leave out
an explicit reference to Dayna's race (am I right in thinking this is the
*only* time her difference from the practically-all-white cast is mentioned)
altogether, because even though the Stock Equalization Act seems to be out of
date by S4, Dayna's question suggests that race/skin colour is still seen as a
significant marker in the B7 future, and we know that laws were passed about it
- but we don't know anything else about it.
Isn't "Stock Equalization" a horrible phrase, btw? Is this a hint of the
Federation as eugenicists (or however you spell it, sorry)?
>
> Even so, the African contingent in B7 is doing better than the East Asian
> contingent, which is represented only by that single rather unpleasant
> individual in "Children"-- Glinka, I think his name is.
Ginka, I believe, and I have a bit of a soft spot for him :) (a proto-Servalan,
but too eager to please...)
Love,
Ika
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Date: Sun Jul 9 17:34:07 BST 2000
From: Ika <blake@gaudaprime.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L]After the revolution (was 'Blake' and beyond)
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> Ika wrote:
> > >of course after the revolution the
> > > proletariat will decide and a whole new cultural/ideological milieu
> >which
> >we
> > > cannot yet imagine will be ushered in,
>
> Dana responded:
> >BUt it will be ushered in by people who had significant exposure to
> >bourgeois consumer culture, so it will be heavily influenced by then-
> >prevailing conditions.
>
Jessica went on:
> I think Lenins idea for after the Russian revolution was that actually
> setting up the communist state would be the job of the youth leagues who
> would grow up in a society that rejected capitalism.
>
> "In many respects the first half of the work has been done. The old order
> has been destroyed, as it deserved to be, it has been transformed into a
> heap of ruins, as it deserved to be. The ground hes been cleared and on this
> ground the young communist generation must build a communist society."
> V.I Lenin, October 2, 1920
>
> I'd say that the same would be true for the Federation. The ones who grew up
> in the "bourgeois consumer culture" (Dana) would, in their lifetime destroy
> what was left of the old system of government, doing stuff like adjusting
> education and health so they are available to everyone and then
> progressively the system would change over time.
> Just MHO though.
That would be ideal, and (to take the Avon position for a moment) therefore
probably wouldn't work - a tutor of mine once said that the reason Lenin's
purges failed is that he thought bourgeois consumer culture (B.C.C.) was
located in the heads of the bourgeois consumers and therefore by cutting those
heads off (so to speak) you would get rid of the culture. But it ain't as easy
as that, as Dana points out: the Next Generation model works a lot better, but
I'm not sure how well, since the Next Generation still had to be brought
up/trained by the Last Generation and their bourgeois consumer brains etc.
I'm using "the Revolution" in a sort of unrealizably absolute way - a complete
rupture with the systems (cultural, political, etc) of the past. Jessica's
"progress" model is a lot more realistic, but I think perhaps almost as
unattainable.
Though of course in the case of the Federation there's a lot of incoherence
already built into the system - pre-Pylene-50 at least, (I'm thinking of
Horizon in particular, thanks to whoever pointed me to that ep) planets seem to
have a degree of connection to a culture of their own outside the Federation-
inflicted B.C.C. So alternative models might be more readily available
*because* of the wide extent of Federation rule and the fact that it seems to
be an empire. The speed of travel might also mean that people are more able to
break down tyrannical systems because there are so many different models around
- and they do seem to be different, not just tourist resorts within global
capitalism (though this comes through in "Gold" on the cruise ship, it's
generated by drugs and computers and there's an accessible "real galaxy" the
tourists are being prevented from seeing.)
I'm going before I disappear up my own [navel].
Love,
Ika
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Date: Sun Jul 9 17:47:25 BST 2000
From: Ika <blake@gaudaprime.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Zenith & Sally Knyvette
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Sally:
> Mind you (taking this a little further) suppose it *had* been Jan Chappell
> who deicded to leave instead of Sally Knyvette. Given that, they wouldn't
> have needed a *new* hot-shot pilot, but assuming that the makes still wanted
> Steven Pacey ... a gunfighter might have been useful addition, no? So
> instead of Del, we get *Deeta* (whom I like a *lot*, but would hate to have
> to put up with that name and that hairdo on a weekly basis.) Somehow, I
> think both Avon and Vila would have taken to the older brother rather better
> than the younger (I do think Avon might almost have liked him) and the crew
> dynamics - Jenna, Avon, Vila, Dayna and Deeta - *would* have been quite
> interesting.
>
I love this idea (I prefer Deeta to Del anyway). Just wanted to say that. I'm
going to go away and think about it, probably in the bath.
Wouldn't Deeta and Avon be a bit too similar though? (Not so much as people,
more as character types - strong, silent, dry wit, not much emotion, etc.)
Love,
Ika
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Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 12:58:48 EDT
From: B7Morrigan@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of stock
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Mistral wrote
<snip>
> Many of the zines in my collection really fall down in this area, but
> Pressure Point and Stadler Link make the grade, with enough white
> space, a plain, legible typeface, a simple but attractive layout, and
> a much better than average job of copy-editing and proof-reading.
> Plus, even my can't-tell-a-cliché-at-three-paces eye can see that
> some of the stories are fresh and imaginative. I'm looking forward
> to finding a long, quiet evening or two for reading them.
>
I've read mine and echo Mistral's comments. The quality in both zines is
consistently high, from layout to editing to well-written and interesting
stories. I'm lobbying Neil to do another zine. Una, do us a favor, and
convince him for us <g>
Morrigan (aka Trish)
"I don't mind rough. It's fatal I'm not too keen on. "
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Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 22:50:29 +1000
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of stock
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On Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 04:20:00AM -0700, mistral@ptinet.net wrote:
>
> Neil Faulkner wrote:
>
> > <It's too bad for future fans that there won't be another print run;
> > but I hope, Neil, that you're planning to do more zines?>
> >
> > I was certainly planning to, but I've had second thoughts. Much as I enjoy
> > the designing and layouting stuff, I loathe the hassle of running off to
> > the printers and mailing the zines out. Simply procuring the stamps can be
> > a problem sometimes.
>
> Hm. I think Kathryn has a solution to this; something about PDF
> files and Linda Knights?
Yes, but that's only a solution for the US folks. I really relate to
Neil on this. I like doing the editing, layout and design, but I
really find printing and selling a chore.
I've still got 5 copies of Refractions #3 left, and 7 copies of #4.
Not to mention however many of #5 and #6.
Does anybody want them? It seems not. (grumble, grizzle, sigh)
Kathryn Andersen
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Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 13:14:03 EDT
From: B7Morrigan@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Sally Knyvette
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Neil wrote in response to Ika
<snip>
Either the motley little band of rebels were going
> to win, or the Federation were going to win. And if you look at it
> realistically, it was no contest, despite whatever Sally Knyvette might
say.
<snip>
It would take a mass revolt to tear
> it down and erect something new in its place, and half a dozen renegades on
> a super whizzo alien spaceship simply can't do that, no matter how super
and
> whizzo the spaceship happens to be.
Right, but as the super whizzo spaceship bounced around the galaxy destroying
Federation bases, it consumed Federation resources that might have been spent
expanding and oppressing more people. News of the Federation's inability to
catch said spaceship contributes to a lack of confidence in the existing
government, thus encouraging Outer World revolts and the leaders of
independent planets to remain so.
As the Federation is not a democracy, it's not as if the drugged populace is
going to have the opportunity to do much about a lack of confidence in the
government, but the power-players behind the scenes may be forced to act,
replacing key leaders with others.
If the Resistance ever got their act together, they might have worked to
destabilize the government and ally with the lesser of the evils within the
Federation, allowing those folk to seize power and moving towards a less
oppressive state.
Until the next Servalan came along, anyway.
Anyway, that's my justification for why they raced about blowing up things
and destroying computers without any sense. I think I put more thought into
it than Blake ever did <g>.
Morrigan (aka Trish)
"I don't mind rough. It's fatal I'm not too keen on. "
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Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 13:17:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: "rita d'orac" <orac@inorbit.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Stock equalization
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Ika <blake@gaudaprime.co.uk> wrote:
>The question of why the Mellanbys appear to be the only black >people in the galaxy is fairly easily answered ("that's the BBC >in the 70's for you"), and I think they'd have done better to >leave out an explicit reference to Dayna's race (am I right in >thinking this is the *only* time her difference from the >practically-all-white cast is mentioned)
It's brought up again in Power, when Pella says "The black woman must win" - even though she was the only woman fighting, they still felt it necessary to refer to her colour?
rita d'orac
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Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 13:29:17 EDT
From: B7Morrigan@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of stock
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Kathryn,
>
> I've still got 5 copies of Refractions #3 left, and 7 copies of #4.
> Not to mention however many of #5 and #6.
> Does anybody want them? It seems not. (grumble, grizzle, sigh)
I might want them. One of the things that gets overlooked is newbies coming
into the world of fandom. Having jumped into B7 in February, I have been
avidly acquiring fanzines but don't know very much about which zines to go
after. To assist, I've been using Judith's list of zines, some of which have
reviews, but I don't see Refractions on the list of B7 gen or adult/slash.
I'd happily buy some more zines (come on, twist my arm) if you'd give me just
a clue about them. BTW, I like both gen and adult/slash. So far my
favorites have been Neil's two zines, Star One through Three, Forbidden Star
One & Two, the Susan Lovett stories, the Lillian Shepherd/EPS stories,
Julia's zines, and I'm sure I'm leaving something out (ah yes, Nova and
Predatrix)
Morrigan (aka Trish)
"I don't mind rough. It's fatal I'm not too keen on. "
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Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 20:10:02 +0200
From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Sally Knyvette
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Morrigan (aka Trish) wrote:
>Anyway, that's my justification for why they raced about blowing up things
and destroying computers without any sense. I think I put more thought into
it than Blake ever did <g>. <
Or the writers. :-)
Marian
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Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 19:59:16 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Sally Knyvette
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> Anyway, that's my justification for why they raced about blowing up things
> and destroying computers without any sense. I think I put more thought
into
> it than Blake ever did <g>.
Pas du tout, mon amie, I think your outline strategy was pretty much what
Blake was trying to do. Not to destroy the Federation himself, but to
create - or at least encourage - the conditions under which the oppressed
masses could throw off their chains. Assuming they wanted to throw them off
in the first place.
Neil
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Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 20:53:44 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of stock
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Mistral:
> > On top of that, I'm no longer writing any fanfic myself,
>
> That's the second time you've said that. I won't pry into your
> reasons, but it's fandom's loss.
Nothing mysterious, I'm afraid, I simply don't have the time. Virtually all
of my fiction was written whilst I was an unemployed welfare scrounger, or
at the most working part-time. I tend to need 3-4 hours warm-up time before
I can even start writing, and these days I'm lucky to get even that. Regular
12-15 hour stints at the keyboard are out of the question, and it could take
me that long to produce just one paragraph. I am not a fast writer.
The fact that I haven't watched an episode in something like four years
doesn't help either.
Neil
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Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 16:00:02 EDT
From: JEB31538@cs.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Judith proctor's website
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I was just meandering around over at Judith Proctor's website, seeing what
new merchandise was available--if any. http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7
I'm waiting for the official announcement of the Blake model which is being
made. And while I was there, I happened to notice how many visitors had
been there. As of now, more people have visited the site than for the
entire year of 1999. Congratulations, Judith. The site has had over 22,000
visits.
I want to emphasize again that it is definitely in fandom's best interests to
support the merchandise offered. Horizon sells SOME but not all of these,
if you want to comparison price shop. http://www.jorizon.org.uk/
Blake's Back and Liberatored audio tapes---order now. They will not be in
reprint long. These tapes are a MUST for every B7 fan.
Zenith fanzine Let's support this venture so that there will be a
Zenith 2.
Avon and Blake model kits--order Avon now and pre-order Blake. Let Judith
know what characters you want to be offered next. They will be done in order
of how many people request which characters most.
The Actor Speaks (Gareth Thomas) CD. IF you are a Gareth fan, order
this. And order it now. I'd like this project to get a lot of support, and
we GT fans have to do it ourselves since our numbers aren't that great.
Joyce
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Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 22:10:18 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of stock
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Neil wrote:
> I was certainly planning to, but I've had second thoughts. Much as I
enjoy
> the designing and layouting stuff, I loathe the hassle of running off to
> the printers and mailing the zines out. Simply procuring the stamps can
be
> a problem sometimes. And I hate taking money off people, no matter how
> willing they are to part with it.
Why not do a webzine then, Neil? That's just design and layout, and no
printing, distribution or cost at all.
Una
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Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 22:48:38 +0100
From: "Ebony" <ebonyben@indigo.ie>
To: "Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: Pressure Point out of stock
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Neil said:
> Then again ... I really am in two minds over the whole business. There
will
> *probably* be no more Hedgehog zines. But not through any negative
comment
> on the first two, because I honestly haven't had any.
I vote for more hedgehog zines, even though I never got around to buying
your second one.... Producing a third zine would give me a chance to redeem
myself <g>.
Ebony
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Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 18:07:50 EDT
From: JEB31538@cs.com
To: freedom-city@blakes-7.org, blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Judith Proctor's website
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Error correction:
I got Horizon's webite wrong when I was talking about buying merchandise.
I'm sure all you "old timers" noticed the error. It's supposed to be
http://www.horizon.org.uk/
Judith Proctor's site is http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7
Be sure you order Blake's Back and Liberatored audio tapes ASAP--while the
reprint run still lasts. These are tapes ALL B7 fans should have.
Joyce
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Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 15:36:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Wendy S. Penberriss" <penberriss@yahoo.com>
To: Jurgen van de Sanden <blakes7@hotmail.com>, blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Zenith & Sally Knyvette
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--- Jurgen van de Sanden <blakes7@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >I never saw any of those. Anything to do with the
> fan
> >club mentioned in my Programme Guide?
>
> Horizon has its own web site on www.horizon.org.uk,
> where you can find more
> info on the fan club. I can really recommend you to
> become a member.
>
OK, that suddenly makes sense of a site I found when
doing an AltaVista search on "Blake's 7." It's a
parody of Horizon's!
http://www.geocities.com/rooneia_vijensis/
Most of it seemed to be an in-joke, but the layout is
just perfect, and the zine page is a real laugh--
anyone else seen it?
Wendy
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Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 20:37:50 EDT
From: B7Morrigan@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Zenith & Sally Knyvette
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> http://www.geocities.com/rooneia_vijensis/
>
> Most of it seemed to be an in-joke, but the layout is
> just perfect, and the zine page is a real laugh--
> anyone else seen it?
Parodies are always amusing and this one is no exception. However, if this
opens up THAT subject again, I'm off to find a bolthole.
Morrigan (aka Trish)
"I don't mind rough. It's fatal I'm not too keen on. "
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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 07:13:21 +1000
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of stock
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On Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 01:29:17PM -0400, B7Morrigan@aol.com wrote:
> Kathryn,
> >
> > I've still got 5 copies of Refractions #3 left, and 7 copies of #4.
> > Not to mention however many of #5 and #6.
> > Does anybody want them? It seems not. (grumble, grizzle, sigh)
>
> I might want them. One of the things that gets overlooked is newbies coming
> into the world of fandom. Having jumped into B7 in February, I have been
> avidly acquiring fanzines but don't know very much about which zines to go
> after. To assist, I've been using Judith's list of zines, some of which have
> reviews, but I don't see Refractions on the list of B7 gen or adult/slash.
Probably because it isn't a pure B7 zine. It would be listed under
"multimedia" or something like that. Gen. There usually is some B7
in it, but it isn't always the main feature. #4 is a special issue, a
B5 novella. Check out the Refractions page
<http://www.foobox.net/~zines/refract/> for more info.
Kathryn Andersen
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-Luke Skywalker
-Princess Leia
-Han Solo
& nearly everyone else from Star Wars series.
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