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blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 197
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L] Re: posts on Shrinker & treatment thereof.
RE: Bleeding onto the page (was Re: Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of stock)
Re: [B7L] Zenith & Sally Knyvette
Re: [B7L] Re: Susan Matthews, PGP Vila, etc.
Re: [B7L] Stock equalization
Re: [B7L] Zenith & Sally Knyvette
Re: [B7L] Horizon
Re: [B7L] Una convincing Neil to do a webzine
Re: Bleeding onto the page (was Re: Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of stock)
Re: [B7L] Stock equalization
Re: [B7L] Horizon
Re: [B7L] Servalan as Jareth
[B7L] Re: APE
Re: [B7L] Zenith & Sally Knyvette
[B7L] Jackie
Re: [B7L] Horizon
Re: Bleeding onto the page (was Re: Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of stock)
Re: [B7L] Re: APE
Re: [B7L] Stock equalization
Re: [B7L] Servalan as Jareth
Re: Bleeding onto the page (was Re: Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of stock)
Re: [B7L] Servalan as Jareth
Re: Bleeding onto the page (was Re: Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of stock)
[B7L] Nexus 2000
[B7L] Re: FREE Reminder Service!
Re: [B7L] Re: FREE Reminder Service!
Re: Bleeding onto the page (was Re: Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of stock)
Re: [B7L] Re: FREE Reminder Service!
[B7L] Re: bleeding onto the page
[B7L] Re: posts on Shrinker & treatment thereof.
Re: [B7L] Zenith & Sally Knyvette
Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of stock
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Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 22:15:40 +0100
From: "Andrew Ellis" <Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: posts on Shrinker & treatment thereof.
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From: Helen Krummenacker
>Am I the only one, besides Cally, who was bothered by the other rebels
>surrounding and taunting Shrinker while Avon went off? Frankly, Avon had
>strong presonal reasons for leaving Shrinker with a gun in a cave
>without an opening.
Actually, I like to think that the cave DID have an opening. In that case,
leaving the gun means that Avon is giving Shrinker the option of using it
rather than trying to find the exit. Thus Avon allows Shrinker to sentence
himself to the fate Shrinker would expect to receive, and is an acute test
of Shrinker's concience. If Shrinker has no humanity in him, he could well
believe Avon is telling the truth, and just end it. By believing in and
seeking an exit, Shrinker must accept certain truths about himself and his
victims, and emerge a changed man.....
Avon also tests the crew. And to a man they fail ..... they all thought he
could do it.
Gnog
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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:01:06 +-100
From: Louise Rutter <Louise.Rutter@btinternet.com>
To: "'B7 Lysator'" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: RE: Bleeding onto the page (was Re: Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of stock)
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Neil wrote:
>Another trick I've employed myself is to stop in mid-sentence, when you
>know how it's going to carry on. Supposedly helps you to pick up the
>thread next time. It works too - when I've gone back to the story a day
>later, I finish that sentence in no time:)
That sounds absolutely appalling. If something's rolling, I like to keep
going till I grind to a halt. By the time I sit down to write again, I've
usually had a few more ideas on how to approach the next bit.
Louise
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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 19:44:31 +0100
From: "Nyder" <nyder@moore.britishlibrary.net>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>, "Ika" <blake@gaudaprime.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Zenith & Sally Knyvette
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Ika--
> I rather like the way there's not much effort to find Blake or fight the
> Federation in S3 - it makes a nice balance between the crusade of S1-2 and
the
> Avon-slowly-going-mad-because-he's-internalized-Blake of S4,
Seconded, and it did provide scope for character-exploring episodes like
City and Sarcophagus.
> Federation all on her own. (I think Sally Knyvette once said that if
they'd
> given control of the Liberator to Jenna and Cally they'd have got to
Servalan
> and won the war within a week...)
Ah, but then what would we do for three seasons? Mind you, I like the
thought of it becoming an all-female conflict, with the lads sidelined for a
change.
Fiona
Fiona Moore
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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 19:49:31 +0100
From: "Nyder" <nyder@moore.britishlibrary.net>
To: "Lysator" <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>, "Murray" <mjsmith@tcd.ie>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Susan Matthews, PGP Vila, etc.
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Me/Murray:
> >Likewise skirting the borders of Freedom City (and not stopping to flip
> >through the mags either) but remember one of the characteristics of the
> >Cheerful Cockney/humourous "lower" (sic, guys) class character is that
s/he
> >is sensual and generally oversexed. This is a stereotype, actually, which
> >seems to get applied to most if not all oppressed groups,
African-Americans
> >and homosexuals being the two that leap to mind first.
>
> I would correct you a little in that this sensual steryotype is directed
> against groups that are _seen_ as threatening, whether they are actually
> oppressed or not.
True, now I think on it; thanks for the correction. I think I was
channelling my old gender-studies professor (who tended to be a bit
hardline) for a minute there.
For example, after the Act of Union between England and
> Scotland in 1707, many Scotsmen of all classes went south to better
> themselves. At the time, there was a huge amount of anti-Scottish
> propaganda, which included contentions that they were oversexed.<g>
Didn't know that one. Thanks-- I shall have to tell that to my--
half-Scottish-- mother :).
Fiona
Fiona Moore
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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 19:38:54 +0100
From: "Nyder" <nyder@moore.britishlibrary.net>
To: "Sarah Thompson" <sthompson162@mindspring.com>, <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Stock equalization
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Back from the Fan Olympiad and facing a massive message backlog....
Sarah,
> Fiona, in addition to Dayna and her father, and the two warlords, there is
> also an anonymous black individual in "Traitor,"
OK, missed him. Still, not much, is it?
> Even so, the African contingent in B7 is doing better than the East Asian
> contingent, which is represented only by that single rather unpleasant
> individual in "Children"-- Glinka, I think his name is.
True, hated him. Mind you, the South Asians at least get those two in
"Horizon" (not the zine-- staying OUT of that debate).
> Re: Cleopatra, I believe the argument about her racial identity has to do
> with the maternal line, and the possibility that the Ptolemies may have
> mixed with the locals to a greater extent than is generally believed.
You're right of course. After sending off that post, I suddenly thought,
wait, I have no idea if the Ptolemies mixed locally, which they're likely
to. It's not my field, but a classicist of my acquaintance tells me that
Ancient Egypt was a seriously amazing ethnic mix, to judge by the features
in tomb paintings.
> or something, but I can't remember the details.) Also, of course, it
> involves the question of what race Egyptians count as in general, and
that's
> the kind of sticky question that makes many present-day scholars want to
> throw out broad racial categorizations altogether and just talk about
> individual ethnic groups.
Wisely so.
Fiona (who got sick of a similar debate involving the sexual orientation of
historical figures ages ago).
Fiona Moore
http://redrival.com/nyder/indexx.html
Resist the Host or your Oneness will be Absorbed
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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 19:42:11 +0100
From: "Nyder" <nyder@moore.britishlibrary.net>
To: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>, <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Zenith & Sally Knyvette
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Marian:
> Imagine at the end of Aftermath, Avon teleporting up to the Liberator with
> Dayna and being confronted not by Tarrant, but by Jenna pointing a gun at
> him: "Avon, what are you doing on *my* ship?"
Ah, that would have been nice.
> Jenna would have insisted they kept up the search for Blake and I think
> Cally would have backed her. That would have given S3 the needed
direction
> and they could still have had all the adventures of that season, as the
> search for Blake would provide all the opportunity for them to encounter
all
> those nasty individuals and phenomenoms.
But I think that might have been sort of monotonous. Although the idea of
Jenna and Avon at perpetual loggerheads is one with serious potential...
Fiona
Fiona Moore
http://redrival.com/nyder/indexx.html
Resist the Host or your Oneness will be Absorbed
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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 15:15:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Wendy S. Penberriss" <penberriss@yahoo.com>
To: B7Morrigan@aol.com, blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Horizon
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--- B7Morrigan@aol.com wrote:
> > http://www.geocities.com/rooneia_vijensis/
<snip>
> Parodies are always amusing and this one is no
> exception. However, if this
> opens up THAT subject again, I'm off to find a
> bolthole.
What? Have I missed something? What subject is this?
Wendy
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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 18:24:42 -0400
From: "Dana Shilling" <dshilling@worldnet.att.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Una convincing Neil to do a webzine
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Responding to Morrigan who is ditto to Neil & Una:
> > > And if they are online, why don't they just stick their fanfic up on
> their
> > > own website?
The first time I read this I missed the "on" in "stick their fanfic up
on their own website," which I assumed was a variant of monkey &
nuts.
> >
> > Maybe they're not HTML literate.
I'm certainly online in the sense of having e-mail access (demand of this
demi-devil why he hath enslaved my body and soul) but not in the sense
of having a site. Sometimes I think about launching a Webzine, but I
would certainly want to include stories other than my own--I think
having multiple styles, subjects and viewpoints is even more important
than having good editing.
>
> I'd be content if you did another paper zine Neil, and if you're looking
for
> stories, I'll send you one that you should receive shortly after Marians
<g>
-(Y)
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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 18:24:59 -0400
From: "Dana Shilling" <dshilling@worldnet.att.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: Bleeding onto the page (was Re: Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of stock)
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Answering Mistral:
> I'm told the cure is to sit down and write whatever comes out,
> whether it has anything to do with the story or not, and without
> editing; dump the garbage to get down to the good stuff.
I firmly believe that writers are either "gushers" (write it all,
let God sort it out) or "tricklers" (fingers do not strike keyboard
until 17th draft has been mentally compiled)--I don't think
it's possible to turn one into the other, although I guess an unhappy
writer might discover that s/he thought of him/herself as one
while actually being the other.
>
> 'Twould be interesting to compare people's working styles. Quick
> or slow?
In my case, fairly quick
Multiple drafts or one plus tweaking?
Some sentences get written 15 times, some once
Beginning to end,
> or jumping around?
First I write the stuff that I think is really important, plus any
particularly dire jokes that it would be in the best interests of
humanity for me to forget. Then I go back and fill things in.
>Outline or not?
Never, never, never
>Know the end when starting,
Usually, but stalling can be very productive--I've thought of
completely new twists that I thought really improved the story.
> Long obsessive sessions, or an hour a day?
Bits here and there.
-(Y)
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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 18:25:13 -0400
From: "Dana Shilling" <dshilling@worldnet.att.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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This is from Murray:
>In the series, none of Servalan's
> enemies ever asserted that she was unfit for the offices she held because
> she was a woman.
It would have been a little tough for LeGrand or Kasabi to say that,
wouldn't it?
-(Y)
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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 18:38:12 EDT
From: B7Morrigan@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Horizon
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> > Parodies are always amusing and this one is no
> > exception. However, if this
> > opens up THAT subject again, I'm off to find a
> > bolthole.
>
> What? Have I missed something? What subject is this?
>
> Wendy
Check the archives about 3 months ago (ftp://ftp.lysator.liu.se/pub/blake7/)
for the discussion about the Horizon fan club, its director, and
publications. I shan't say another word. The last time this was discussed,
my company merged and changed its name, using Horizon and another word to
form a new one.
Morrigan (aka Trish)
"I don't mind rough. It's fatal I'm not too keen on. "
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Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 08:55:01 EST
From: "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Servalan as Jareth
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>From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
>And now I have an image of her standing at the top of an M.C. Escher
>stairway, with Avon below (depending on perspective) "Everything I've
>done, I've done for you! I move the the stars for no one." ::shiver::
Shiver indeed!
Well, if Avon is representing Sarah, you can console yourself with the idea
of him frequently exclaiming that it isn't fair (Servalan's response being
to ask what his basis for comparison is), or that something is a piece of
cake (prompting something unfortunate to happen).
Regards
Joanne
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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 20:17:38 -0400
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: APE
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I emailed Apemag a few days ago... and when I logged on, about to say no
reply, they had just written telling me to send them 3.50.
Harriet
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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 20:18:49 -0400
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "Blake's 7 (Lysator)" <BLAKES7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Zenith & Sally Knyvette
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Marian wrote:
> Imagine at the end of Aftermath, Avon teleporting
>up to the Liberator with Dayna and being confronted
>not by Tarrant, but by Jenna pointing a gun at
>him: "Avon, what are you doing on *my* ship?"
I like that a lot, and her remarks in Star One prepare the ground nicely.
We could have a few episodes squabbling about control of the ship, then a
few episodes squabbling about whether to look for Blake, then a few
squabbling about whose fault it is that the trail had gone cold by the time
they started trying. And in the meantime, other issues would arise
naturally, as they did in actual season three.
Harriet
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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:53:13 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
cc: Freedom City <freedom-city@blakes-7.org>
Subject: [B7L] Jackie
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I should have posted this one earlier and I forgot.
Jackie Pearce won't be appearing at the Edinburgh Fringe after all.
She contacted Horizon to say that she didn't feel she could realise the
director's vison of the play and had thus reluctantly left.
Judith
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Date: 11 Jul 2000 07:36:26 +0200
From: Calle Dybedahl <calle@lysator.liu.se>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Horizon
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>>>>> "B7Morrigan" == B7Morrigan <B7Morrigan@aol.com> writes:
> Check the archives about 3 months ago (ftp://ftp.lysator.liu.se/pub/blake7/)
Better archive (especially considering that Lysator's FTP machine is
having disk trouble): http://tezcatlipoca.algonet.se/ (the search
thingy doesn't work at all, but the browse mode is fine).
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and...oh bugger." -- Joe Bednorz, A.S.R
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Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 01:29:30 EDT
From: B7Morrigan@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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I know this began with Neil's comments about the difficulty juggling RL (aka
a JOB) with writing, but I don't remember who said what anymore.
'Twould be interesting to compare people's working styles. Quick
> > or slow? Multiple drafts or one plus tweaking? Beginning to end,
> > or jumping around? Outline or not? Know the end when starting,
> > or not? Long obsessive sessions, or an hour a day? Anybody?
>
> Been there done that etc. I find that I tend to write better at night, or
> at least write more at night, which just adds to my difficulties since I
> work the night shift.
>
Ditto. I just need a job that allows me to write during that all productive
window of 9PM through 3AM. I realized that while going to school (while
working full time Monday - Friday 8AM-5PM). Every single paper was written
the Saturday before it was due. I procrastinated all day Saturday, began
writing somewhere between 7PM and 9PM. Usually about 3 or 4, I'd say "the
hell with it, I'll edit it tomorrow" and then crash. On Sunday, I was always
amazed that it was a darn good paper. (4.0 avg - I swear)
I suppose biorhythms don't change much, that's also the most productive and
creative time for writing fanfic. When I've tried to push it past 3AM (and I
have) I find that between 3AM and 6AM, spellcheck becomes incredibly useful
because I forget how to spell words such as "the."
It's been interesting to read all the various manners of writing (or of
trying to write, as the case may well be). I personally have tried nearly
all of them. Some stories emerge in a gush as if I'm channelling something.
They aren't necessarily the best, but I just start typing and 40 pages later,
the damn things are complete. (I choose to look at is as "Flow" as defined by
Csikszentmihalyi, others might consider it dumping) Other stories come by
fits and starts.
> > I'm told the cure is to sit down and write whatever comes out,
> > whether it has anything to do with the story or not, and without
> > editing; dump the garbage to get down to the good stuff.
I've heard that too, but the tendency to self-edit is too strong. I remember
having a quote on my refrigerator about a day's writing might be putting one
word in and taking another out. The trick is knowing the right word.
> Another trick I've employed myself is to stop in mid-sentence, when you
know
> how it's going to carry on. Supposedly helps you to pick up the thread
next
> time. It works too - when I've gone back to the story a day later, I
finish
> that sentence in no time:)
>
Not only could I never do that, I generally work through to a section end or
a chapter end. Usually I have a clear notion of what I would like to
accomplish in a certain section and I work until that is complete.
Quick or slow? Depends on the story and the presence or disappearance of the
muse. I once tried to write a story using an outline. I mapped out
everything that was going to happen, listed the characters, their
backgrounds, descriptions, etc. I can't describe it in polite company.
Suffice that I chucked the whole thing and started over with a slightly
different premise, no outline, and ended up with a better story.
Usually, I write one draft and relentlessly tweak while writing and
rereading. I go back and reread the whole damn thing everytime I sit down to
write as if achieving the proper state of mind. It really is as if jumping
back into the story in progress. Now that's not the end. I sent that first
draft out for comments, and it evolves into a second or third draft, but
usually it's just tweaking, the heavy work is done.
My worst habit is that I am marvelous at beginning stories and less than
determined to finish them (so all you folks who labelled me anal-retentive
because I have to write to the end of a section or chapter are wrong!). I
have about ten stories that are 80% complete. I work on them when I'm in the
proper frame of mind. I'll be walking about the apartment and suddenly think
about the next section of Story B even though I've been working on Story X
for days. Story X gets put to the side then, because my creative mind is
really only useful on Story B at that time. Shamefully this is also the way
I generally read books (I'm reading about a dozen right now, and that does
not include fanzines).
The best thing I've learned about writing is to walk away and let my
subconscious sort through things. When I'm not happy with how something is
working, I go read, walk the dogs, or go to bed. I usually have a better
approach the next day.
Morrigan (aka Trish)
"I don't mind rough. It's fatal I'm not too keen on. "
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Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 07:10:09 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: APE
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Joyce:
> Una, you are the only one I remember saying that you ordered APE. Would
you
> give us a report on the Blake's 7 cartoon strip in it when you get the
> magazine?
Certainly will, altho' I don't know any criteria by which to judge comic
strips.
Una
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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:48:08 -0600
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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On Mon, 10 Jul 2000 18:25:13 -0400 "Dana Shilling"
<dshilling@worldnet.att.net> writes:
> This is from Murray:
> >In the series, none of Servalan's
> > enemies ever asserted that she was unfit for the offices she held
> because
> > she was a woman.
> It would have been a little tough for LeGrand or Kasabi to say that,
> wouldn't it?
> -(Y)
>
At last, I understand how Kasabi and LeGrand messed up so easily. It was
all part of an intricate scheme to undermine the Federation's faith in
female leadership in general (one leader in particular). Sure, it was
extreme, but they kept thinking what they could get away with if Travis
was running the show. It might also explain a certain defense lawyer
Travis had. She was really working for the other side.
Anna Grant then had to go and buck the trend (I'm assuming she had a much
better plan Avon's arrival messed up).
Perhaps Avon's peculiar behavior in Power could be put down to him
accidentally thinking Pella was part of this conspiracy?
Ellynne
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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:43:02 -0600
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Servalan as Jareth
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On Tue, 11 Jul 2000 08:55:01 EST "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
writes:
>
>
>
> >From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
> >And now I have an image of her standing at the top of an M.C.
> Escher
> >stairway, with Avon below (depending on perspective) "Everything
> I've
> >done, I've done for you! I move the the stars for no one."
> ::shiver::
>
> Shiver indeed!
>
> Well, if Avon is representing Sarah, you can console yourself with
> the idea
> of him frequently exclaiming that it isn't fair (Servalan's response
> being
> to ask what his basis for comparison is), or that something is a
> piece of
> cake (prompting something unfortunate to happen).
>
This sounds more like something Vila would do.
Which would make the baby he's rescuing exactly who...?
Ellynne
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Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 00:06:01 -0600
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: Bleeding onto the page (was Re: Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of stock)
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On Mon, 10 Jul 2000 18:24:59 -0400 "Dana Shilling"
<dshilling@worldnet.att.net> writes:
> Answering Mistral:
> > I'm told the cure is to sit down and write whatever comes out,
> > whether it has anything to do with the story or not, and without
> > editing; dump the garbage to get down to the good stuff.
> I firmly believe that writers are either "gushers" (write it all,
> let God sort it out) or "tricklers" (fingers do not strike keyboard
> until 17th draft has been mentally compiled)--I don't think
> it's possible to turn one into the other, although I guess an
> unhappy
> writer might discover that s/he thought of him/herself as one
> while actually being the other.
> >
> > 'Twould be interesting to compare people's working styles. Quick
> > or slow?
>
Depends.
Mostly, I'm a gusher - if I can get going (if I go slow, I tend to wind
up hating all five of the words I've gotten out). I also often get loads
of background detail worked out in my head. For one story, I had to work
out details of how a person's mother died, various people with
information about it, what happened to his dad, how his folks met, what a
family portrait looked like, the appearance, names, etc. of various
relatives - all of which never made it into the story.
Then, I got that done, got a bit finished and realized I had to go do
more of the same for another character - all of which boiled down to one
oblique line where the character says something about his wife.
I have complete geneologies on characters who never appear in some
stories. I know half the crew of the older sister of a minor character.
The sister may get mentioned. I don't see the crew (who are a very
interesting bunch) coming into it.
For another story, I started with setting up Avon to meet a certain
character. There was a plot device all ready to go. Both characters
would spend considerable time running around with no idea what was going
on. The problem was, Avon's a very uncooperative person to write when
he's being kept in the dark.
Then I made a joke on the lyst about Avon being from the Addams family.
Then, I got thinking about it and wrote a short piece where Avon was from
the Addams family (he walks into the haunted mansion where all the
somewhat macabre weirdness is going on and realizes he has come home at
last).
Then, I thought "Why not?"
An adult version of Wendesday Addams came into the story. Then, she
changed her wardrobe, got a haircut, and wasn't an Addams (neither was
Avon, whose connection to her, naturally, also changed [thank goodness]).
Mostly, though, I get mental pictures with a general idea of what's going
on and why and just have to right it into some kind of sense and connect
it to other scenes.
Don't know what this says about my mind.
Ellynne
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Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:34:26 EST
From: "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Servalan as Jareth
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>From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
>This sounds more like something Vila would do.
>Which would make the baby he's rescuing exactly who...?
Not only that, but who would be Hoggle? Whichever female member of the crew
you would prefer to become Princess of the Land of Stench, I suppose. Though
if Avon continues to equal Sarah in this equation, some may get some mileage
out of him having to kiss whoever our Hoggle equivalent is.
I keep thinking Tarrant=Sir Didymus, and Zen=the bloke in the garden with a
bird for a hat. I shouldn't be.
Regards
Joanne
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Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 00:47:28 -0700
From: mistral@ptinet.net
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Neil wrote:
> Dammit, you're inspiring me!
>
> (Mistral snickers to herself, "It's working, it's working ha-ha-ha!!")
Plus tweaking: "Bwa-ha-ha!!"
Mistral
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Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 04:52:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: "rita d'orac" <orac@inorbit.com>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Nexus 2000
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If anyone is interested, I have now uploaded my pics from Nexus. They are currently sitting on http://www.ritaweb.com (www.vilaworld.com is still sulking). Also, Nexus wobblevison episode is now up on Emma Peel's site at http://www.avon.tvheaven.com and there are more Nexus pics on Simon & Louise's site at http://www.blakes-7.co.uk
Be warned though, the pics on my site take a while to load - but they're worth the wait!
rita d'orac
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Umm, either something really weird is going on here or I completely missed
the episode where Avon and Vila forget to attend the Annual Revolutionarys
Conference (ARC) and decide to devote their lives to endorsing personal
organisers...
Seriously, what is this?
Jessica
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Date: 11 Jul 2000 11:40:30 +0200
From: Calle Dybedahl <calle@lysator.liu.se>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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>>>>> "Jessica" == Jessica Taylor <morgaine54@hotmail.com> writes:
> Seriously, what is this?
Something that had never appeared on the B7 mailing list before you
sent it here...
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Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 19:59:23 EST
From: "Jessica Taylor" <morgaine54@hotmail.com>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: Bleeding onto the page (was Re: Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of stock)
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>From: B7Morrigan@aol.com
>To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
>Subject: Re: Bleeding onto the page (was Re: Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of
>stock)
>Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 01:29:30 EDT
Mistral:
> 'Twould be interesting to compare people's working styles. Quick
> > > or slow? Multiple drafts or one plus tweaking? Beginning to end,
> > > or jumping around? Outline or not? Know the end when starting,
> > > or not? Long obsessive sessions, or an hour a day? Anybody?
I usually like to draft on paper if I'm writing a story, though I can do
essays straight onto a computer. And I tend when a hit a wall to start
writing something easier while my head clears, like the other day someone
here said something that gave me an idea and later I started writing a *what
were they like as children* story it was fun and I usually find that this
sort of distraction writing gets me focused again.
Neil (I think):
> > Another trick I've employed myself is to stop in mid-sentence, when you
>know
> > how it's going to carry on. Supposedly helps you to pick up the thread
>next
> > time. It works too - when I've gone back to the story a day later, I
>finish
> > that sentence in no time:)
Morrigan:
>Not only could I never do that, I generally work through to a section end
>or
>a chapter end. Usually I have a clear notion of what I would like to
>accomplish in a certain section and I work until that is complete.
Agreed, It'd drive me nuts and I don't think I get a lot of satisfaction
unless I feel that I've actually completed or achieved something, but
obviously that's something that will be differant for everyone.
>Quick or slow? Depends on the story and the presence or disappearance of
>the
>muse. I once tried to write a story using an outline. I mapped out
>everything that was going to happen, listed the characters, their
>backgrounds, descriptions, etc. I can't describe it in polite company.
>Suffice that I chucked the whole thing and started over with a slightly
>different premise, no outline, and ended up with a better story.
Tell me about it. I had an english assessment a few monthes back at school
where we had to write a story in a set amount of time (I forget how how long
exactly). I wrote a plan, worked out how it would go but of course as soon
as I got in there there were things that didn't make sense, things I didn't
like and I also ended up with a completely differant story. It takes a lot
of discipline to stick to an essay/story plan and I've found that often they
can be more hinderance than help.
Jessica
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Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 20:04:48 EST
From: "Jessica Taylor" <morgaine54@hotmail.com>
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>To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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>Date: 11 Jul 2000 11:40:30 +0200
>
> >>>>> "Jessica" == Jessica Taylor <morgaine54@hotmail.com> writes:
>
> > Seriously, what is this?
>
>Something that had never appeared on the B7 mailing list before you
>sent it here...
>--
> Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN |
>calle@lysator.liu.se
> "No one expects the waterbuffalos of packet loss!" -- simes
>
Oh how embarassing, I am so sorry Calle, I guess I wasn't paying attention.
sorry
Jessica
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Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:30:52 +0100
From: Alison Page <alison_page@becta.org.uk>
To: "'blakes7@lysator.liu.se'" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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I find Bruce Chatwin got it completely right - the human brain becomes more
creative when walking. If I'm stuck on some writing (not really talking
about fanfic here) then walking a couple of miles does the trick. My brain
just starts banging out ideas as soon as my heart speeds up with the walk.
Not sure if its the exercise or the sensory input.
What I dislike most about working in an office, as I have been doing the
past 12 months, is that they don't have any provision for popping out for a
walk. Not anywhere I've worked anyway
Alison
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Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 04:04:13 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: posts on Shrinker & treatment thereof.
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Helen wrote:
<Am I the only one, besides Cally, who was bothered by the other rebels
surrounding and taunting Shrinker while Avon went off?>
It's nasty, yes, but as I can't honestly say I'd do any better ...
While I can see the capacity for this sort of behaviour in all three of them
- yes, even Vilakins if he's pushed - I assume that, in this case, a lot of
it arises from their own feelings of guilt over the fact that they let Avon
go into this danger (like any this lot could have stopped him, but then
guilt rarely is reasonable). I'm firmly of the opinion that Avon doled out
information on his little revenge plan both grudgingly and very, very
carefully - at the start of Auron, for instance, Tarrant and Vila have
*agreed* to the plan, have agreed to go to Earth, but (IMHO) are waaayyy too
cozily complacent to have any idea what exactly Avon intends to do when he
gets there (put himself up for an indefinite period of torture by
specialists).
By the time they got to Earth, they'd presumably found out the gory
details-to-be, but it appears from Dayna''s and Tarrant's reaction to seeing
Avon in the cell "What have they been doing to you?" that they still only a
hazy idea what they'd let him let himself in for, up till that point.
Their lashing out at Shrinker - an obvious target - was IMO a nasty but very
human reaction to *that,* and to the fact that they'd all so blithely
agreed to it in the first place (Cally hadn't, so didn't have the guilt to
deal with.)
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Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 08:12:22 -0400
From: "Christine+Steve" <cgorman@idirect.com>
To: "B7 Mailing List" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Zenith & Sally Knyvette
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Marian wrote :
> Imagine at the end of Aftermath, Avon teleporting up to the Liberator with
> Dayna and being confronted not by Tarrant, but by Jenna pointing a gun at
> him: "Avon, what are you doing on *my* ship?"
>
I'm not sure Jenna would have allowed Zen to pick up Avon, if she'd gotten
onboard first. I think she would have headed off to concentrate on finding
Blake, maybe picking up some new recruits of her own. By the time Avon had
Orac take over Zen and arrange a pick up, there could have been a number of
people on board loyal to Jenna - all looking for Blake. Once she had Blake
onboard, then they could have searched for Cally and Vila, but maybe Avon
would have been left out of the party.
Steve Dobson.
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Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 08:15:34 -0400
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of stock
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Neil wrote:
> And if they are online, why don't they just stick
> their fanfic up on their own website?
Una suggested:
>Maybe they're not HTML literate.
Or they're short of confidence in their own work, and want someone else to
give it a seal of approval (or suggest how to rewrite it).
And being online doesn't necessarily mean having a website.
Also - if people are looking for online B7 fiction (actually, I much prefer
to read on paper, but I know some don't), it might be easier if it's
concentrated in a couple of well-known sites rather than hundreds of
individual ones.
Harriet
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