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blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 209
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L] Scarlet Blakeney and typec [ "Jessica Taylor" <morgaine54@hotmai ]
Re: [B7L] Croucher Underwear [ "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl> ]
Re: [B7L] Croucher Underwear [ Jacqueline Thijsen <inquisitioner@w ]
Re: [B7L] Zenith [ "Nyder" <nyder@moore.britishlibrary ]
Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #207 [ "IC24 mail" <paulgarytaylor@ic24.ne ]
Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #183 [ "IC24 mail" <paulgarytaylor@ic24.ne ]
[B7L] Re:Avon as Chauvelin [ Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net> ]
Re: [B7L] Re: Avon as Snape... and m [ "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com> ]
Re: [B7L] Croucher Underwear [ Penny Dreadful <pennydreadful@power ]
Re: [B7L] Re:Avon as Chauvelin [ Mac4781@aol.com ]
Re: [B7L] Re: Avon as Snape... and m [ "Nyder" <nyder@moore.britishlibrary ]
RE: [B7L] Croucher Underwear [ "Andy Hopkinson" <andyrh@netcomuk.c ]
Re: [B7L] Re: Avon as Snape... and m [ sjk3@cornell.edu ]
Re: [B7L] Re: Avon as Snape... and m [ mistral@ptinet.net ]
[B7L] Cool Blake's 7 related artwork [ aDziE@hodsonfamily.worldonline.co.u ]
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Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 19:38:44 EST
From: "Jessica Taylor" <morgaine54@hotmail.com>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Scarlet Blakeney and typecasting
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Kathryn Andersen:
>I thought - Avon! <snip> Cally as Marguerite, *Avon* as Sir Percy
>Blakeney, Blake as the wild-eyed revolutionary!
>Don't you think Avon would dress up very prettily? (evil smile)
I really like that, The Scarlet Pimpernel is one of the few *classics* that
I can stomach, I remember I fell in love with it (mostly Percy) the first
time I read it.
I've been trying to do the same thing with the characters from Les
Miserables for about a month, it's hard because it's such a spanning story.
But I came up with...
Jean Valjean - Blake
Marius - Avon
Eponine - Cally
Gavroche - Vila
Initially I wanted to make Tarrant as Marius but I couldn't make it fit with
the other characters.
Good grief how do I start prattling like this, still I did just get out of
the X-men movie so be thankful I didn't start down that road...
Jessica
"I was not heroic enough to purchase
liberty at the price of caste."
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Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 12:33:32 +0200
From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Croucher Underwear
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Penny wrote:
>I think he should back the Brians with pictures of Paul Darrow in his
undies, which I am gathering would be guaranteed to bring in the masses. Et
voila, everyone's a winner.<
The December page of the Avon club Millennium calendar has a picture of PD
from 'Babes in the Wood'. He looks absolutely gorgeous in Medieval dress.
Except for the long wide sleeves it's a *very* tight outfit and probably the
nearest you can get to see PD in his undies. :-)
Marian
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Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 14:52:50 +0200
From: Jacqueline Thijsen <inquisitioner@wish.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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At 04:32 22-7-00, Penny Dreadful wrote:
>At 10:42 AM 7/21/00 +0200, Jacqueline Thijsen wrote:
>
> >I have a dream. A dream of going to England and twisting Andy's arm
>
>Or sucking up. Either works for me.
Yes, but it's been so long since I got to twist anybody's arm. I was really
looking forward to it. <sulk>
> >until
> >he consents to make that most wonderful of all things: the Brian Croucher
> >poster magazine. With nothing but single sided A1 format posters of Brian
> >wearing *that* underwear. And nothing else.
>
>Ooh, I feel all tingly...I wonder if he ever posed in a pink polkadot nightie.
And if so if it had frilly edges.
>I think he should back the Brians with pictures of Paul Darrow in his
>undies, which I am gathering would be guaranteed to bring in the masses. Et
>voila, everyone's a winner.
Maybe we should have Andy throw in some similar piccies of Steven Pacey,
which should gain us the support of the Tarrant Nostra. Any of the others
would we acceptable, too (like Michael Keating, for instance). Except for
Stephen Greif, of course.
Jacqueline
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Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 14:10:08 +0100
From: "Nyder" <nyder@moore.britishlibrary.net>
To: "Andy Hopkinson" <andyrh@netcomuk.co.uk>,
"Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Zenith
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Neil/Alan:
> >hardly shifting at all. I think this reinforces my general notion that
> >there is no sustainable market for B7-related merchandise, except within
> the
> >hardcore fan community which in commercial terms is negligible.
>
> I don't know about that. Zenith, being for the moment a "one off"
magazine
> means that you can't get a distributor for it, so it's up to us to contact
> all the shops. Once a network is set up however, things will move faster.
As a parallell example: how long has InVision been going for now? And that's
even more likely to sell only to the hardcore fans.
> It's most of the story. Zenith in the main has an unpaid working staff of
> two. Andy and Me. it's a different set-up with the prozines. You've got
> whole departments to pay.
While Andy and you make up the shortfall through your press-ganging
activities.
> Horizon's policy on "naughty words" was always very inconsistent, and
> appeared to change from issue to issue. I think the "Scars" story that
> appeared in H39 was a lot tougher and a lot harder
It still makes me shudder...
> Alan (Out and about selling issues of Zenith)
'ere you, move along now, we've 'ad complaints about someone disturbing the
peace... don't want your kind round 'ere now, do we?
Fiona
Fiona Moore
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Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 17:40:37 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re:Avon as Chauvelin
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> I was listening to the soundtrack for "The Scarlet Pimpernel" this
> morning, and the song "Marguerite", and these lines popped out at me:
>
> And no one has touched me
> My soul's my own
> ...
> No one moves my heart -
( I thought the line was no one knows my heart-- also appropriate for
Avon)
> But you... come close...
>
> I thought - Avon! These lines are sung by Chauvelin.
Ah! I'm a big fan of that musical, but figured most people would never
have heard of it, so I never brought it up on the list.
You've got the concept album, obviously. I recommend you get the
Broadway version, too. There "Falcon In The Dive" a new song for
Chauvelin, which also makes me think rather of Avon, perhaps around 4th
season?
"There was a dream, a dying ember,
There was a dream I don't remember,
But I will resurrect that dream,
Though rivers stream and hills grow steeper."
Or, the next lines-- "Wade in blood up to your armpits" speech?
"Down here in hell, where life is cheaper,
Now here in hell the blood runs deeper..."
And Kathryn, the idea of Avon as a fop is stunning. Of course his dry
delivery would make such lines as, "La, Sink me!" sound even odder than
they usually do. Must think about this.
Meanwhile, I'm delighted to know you appreciate good music.
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Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 19:35:54 -0600
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Avon as Snape... and more
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Don't know how I missed this the first time, but (yes, yes, spoiler
alert) there's this conversation between Harry and Hagrid at the end of
book four.
"You all righ'?" [Hagrid] said gruffly.
"Yeah," said Harry.
"No, yeh're not," said Hagrid, "'Course yeh're not. But yeh will be."
Now, I'll be the first to say the idea of Hagrid as Avon is only slightly
less weird than Mr. Ed playing Darth Vader. But, if we're looking for
evidence of B7 influence, therebye strengthening claims of Snape being
Avon-ish, every little bit helps (never mind what Rowling said. Negative
evidence has no place in these arguements).
>
> Which makes an Avon-ish character most appropriate. To a child's
> eyes,
> he's irredeemably nasty. As you get older, you recognize he's got
> problems of his own, and is a very unhappy person. You see a
> potential
> for good. If you're like me, you want to bring out that potential.
> I doubt Harry will overcome his antipathy for the man, but I can't b
> e
> sure. That's what growing up does... changes perspective.
>
That desire to just pat Avon on the shoulder and say, "There, there."
Haven't gotten that far in my feelings towards Snape (the man needs a
good, for-oily-hair shampoo, for one thing), but you never know.
Oh, no. I'm actually beginning to imagince Snape in the B7 universe.
Since he could turn Servalan into a newt, the plot difficulties would
probably get resolved way too fast (and no way am I putting the B7 crowd
in Harry's universe, they'd get caught in the crossfire between
Dumbledore and Voldemort before they could believe what was going on.
_Bad_ idea... really bad... terribly bad... hmmm).
Ellynne
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Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 20:06:53 -0600
From: Penny Dreadful <pennydreadful@powersurfr.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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At 02:52 PM 7/22/00 +0200, Jacqueline Thijsen wrote:
>Yes, but it's been so long since I got to twist anybody's arm. I was really
>looking forward to it. <sulk>
All right, you can be the Bad Cop, and I'll be the Not-Quite-So-Bad Cop
(don't forget to pack the teletubbies tapes).
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Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 07:48:46 EDT
From: Mac4781@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re:Avon as Chauvelin
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Helen wrote:
> There "Falcon In The Dive" a new song for
> Chauvelin, which also makes me think rather of Avon, perhaps around 4th
> season?
I've always considered "Falcon" to be Travis music vid material. "The
Riddle" (though it's already been made into numerous music vids in numerous
fandoms) is perfect for a B7 ensemble vid. I very slightly prefer the
version on the Broadway cast CD. But with the exceptions of those two songs,
I like the concept CD better.
And for years and years, long before Pimpernel was revised and reached
Broadway, friends and I have said that we'll be sorely disappointed if Steven
Pacey isn't cast as Sir Percy if/when the musical is produced in London.
Carol Mc
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Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 13:03:38 +0100
From: "Nyder" <nyder@moore.britishlibrary.net>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Cc: <LizR2@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Avon as Snape... and more
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Helen:
> somehow I'm thinking "boy Servalan"
Malfoy as a cross-gendered Servalan? Makes sense. Except Crabbe and Goyle
haven't got Travis' brains.
> thinking that the series is, by nature, going to be a prolonged
> coming-of-age story.
Ah, you've got the secret. In fact, what I like best about the series is
that it does get more complex as the books progress. In book one, you get
the situation from the eyes of an eleven-year-old (good guys, bad guys,
amusing verses, not-too-mortal peril), but gradually as things go on the
peril gets more mortal, the characters more ambiguous, and the situations
less easily solved. I was thinking about Dumbledore the other day; how at
the beginning of the series he's amusing and silly, and indeed he gets no
less so, but as the books progress Rowling lets us see more and more of the
sharp edges under the silliness.
> Which makes an Avon-ish character most appropriate. To a child's eyes,
> he's irredeemably nasty. As you get older, you recognize he's got
> problems of his own, and is a very unhappy person.
True. Or, in my case, you recognise that such people, while not necessarily
admirable, are understandable. Personally I've never lost my antipathy for
Avon, but I have a certain respect for him.
Fiona
Fiona Moore
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Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 15:49:19 +0100
From: "Andy Hopkinson" <andyrh@netcomuk.co.uk>
To: "Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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Penny wrote:
>All right, you can be the Bad Cop, and I'll be the Not-Quite-So-Bad Cop
>(don't forget to pack the teletubbies tapes).
Great I love Teletubbies...
Andy.
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Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 12:40:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: sjk3@cornell.edu
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Avon as Snape... and more
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> Oh, no. I'm actually beginning to imagince Snape in the B7 universe.
> Since he could turn Servalan into a newt, the plot difficulties would
> probably get resolved way too fast
>
> Ellyne
She got better. :-)
Sandra Kisner
sjk3@cornell.edu
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Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 08:56:47 -0700
From: mistral@ptinet.net
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Fiona wrote:
> Malfoy as a cross-gendered Servalan? Makes sense. Except Crabbe and Goyle
> haven't got Travis' brains.
Perhaps they shared them out.
Mistral
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Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 21:10:32 +0100
From: aDziE@hodsonfamily.worldonline.co.uk
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Cool Blake's 7 related artwork at my new web site
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Dear All,
If you would like to see some examples of my artwork featuring the
Liberator in various scenarios, please take time to visit my web site
at;
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At the present moment in time I am working on a 3D model of a pursuit
ship that I will incorporate into a batch of futher Blake's 7 related
scenes.
If you have any ideas for new images or have any comments regarding my
web site, then please do not hesitate to email me at;
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Many thanks for your support,
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