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blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 215
Today's Topics:
[B7L] Blake Poems [ "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com> ]
[B7L] Gan-zilla [ "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com> ]
Re: [B7L] Orbit [ Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com ]
Re: [B7L] Gan-zilla [ B7Morrigan@aol.com ]
Re: [B7L] Gan-zilla [ "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com ]
Re: [B7L] The charge against Blake ( [ "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl> ]
Re: [B7L] The charge against Blake ( [ "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com ]
Re: [B7L] Orbit [ "Christine+Steve" <cgorman@idirect. ]
[B7L] Avon Kong [ Jacqueline Thijsen <inquisitioner@w ]
Re: [B7L] Blake model [ Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@comp ]
Re: [B7L] Avon in Assassin [ Ika <blake@gaudaprime.co.uk> ]
Re: [B7L] Re: Orbit [ "Dana Shilling" <dshilling@worldnet ]
Re: [B7L] Re: Orbit [ "Dana Shilling" <dshilling@worldnet ]
Re: [B7L] Avon in Assassin [ "Dana Shilling" <dshilling@worldnet ]
Re: [B7L] The charge against Blake ( [ "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com> ]
Re: [B7L] Re: Orbit [ "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl> ]
Re: [B7L] Blake model [ Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com ]
Re: [B7L] Gan-zilla [ Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com ]
Re: [B7L] The charge against Blake ( [ "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl> ]
Re: [B7L] Parsec {was Orbit} [ "Gary" <gadam@shore.net> ]
Re: [B7L] Blake model [ Jacqueline Thijsen <inquisitioner@w ]
Re: [B7L] Blake model [ Tigerm1019@aol.com ]
Re: [B7L] Blake model [ "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com ]
Re: [B7L] Gan-zilla [ "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com> ]
Re: [B7L] Parsec {was Orbit} [ "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com> ]
Re: [B7L] Parsec {was Orbit} [ "Lysias" <lysias@apexmail.com> ]
[B7L] Tachyons [ "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com> ]
Re: [B7L] Gan-zilla [ "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com ]
[B7L] Avon'a acting [ Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net> ]
[B7L] Re: Avon, Tarrant, Guada Prime [ Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net> ]
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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 22:08:13 -0600
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Blake Poems
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Was just listening to a CD by Loreena McKennitt. This was from a bit
called Lullaby, which was actually a poem put to music for the Stratford
Festival production of .... Blake (William Blake, but that is not the
point). The basic sentiment sounded enough like Roj Blake (despite
religious references which, I admit, weren't exactly him) that I had to
put it in (text by William Blake [only the music and vocals still have
copyright, according to my understanding (just thought I'd mention it)])
that I had to post it.
O for a voice like thunder, and a tongue
To drown the throat of war! -- When the senses
Are shaken, and the soul is driven to madness,
Who can stand? When the souls of the oppressed
Fight in the troubled air that rages, who can stand?
When the whirlwind of fury comes from the
Throne of God, when the frowns of his countenance
Drive the nations together, who can stand?
When Sin claps his broad winds over the battle,
And sails rejoicing in the flood of Death;
When souls are torn to everlasting fire,
And fiends of Hell rejoice upon the slain,
O who can stand? O who hath caused this?
O who can answer before the throne of God?
The Kings and Nobles of the Land have done it!
Hear it not, Heaven, they Ministers have done it!
Yep, just your basic,
reel-back-in-horror-at-the-atrocities-committed-and-perpetuated-by-
the-powers-that-be type poem, with special references to those whose
"senses are shaken, and the soul is driven to madness" by Federation
brainwashers in The Way Back, as well as to the more generic "souls of
the oppressed," aka, average civilian in B7.
Ellynne
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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 22:35:19 -0600
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
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Subject: [B7L] Gan-zilla
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On Fri, 28 Jul 2000 12:00:33 GMT "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
writes:
> Jessica wrote:
> <Are you saying mean things about Gan, that is terrible! Firstly
> because Gan
> was (IMO) the only member of the crew you'd dare turn your back on
> ever ...>
>
> <grin> as long as you were absolutely *sure* the inhibitor was
> working the
> way it *should*.
I've always wondered what Gan would have been like without the inhibitor.
There's always the remote possibility the psycho who emerged when it was
malfunctioning was the real him (I doubt it, since he was generally too
nice in too many ways [if the Federation could do that kind of
conditioning, Blake would have been given one]).
The problem is, the only logical reason for Cally to have believed him
when he said he was OK when it was breaking down was if she had some kind
of telepathic input - he wasn't _feeling_ violent.
Now, a true psychopath can give all the cues indicating one state of mind
(even, possibly, fooling themselves [and, in theory, and empathically
receptive telepaths]) when they're having another. If Gan wasn't in a
truly psychopathic condition, then he should have been feeling surges of
violence that Cally should have picked up on.
Heaven forbid the unthinkable, she just fell for it.
But, going back to King Kong and Fay Wray, his girlfriend _is_ dead. No
one ever said Gan didn't carry her up the Empire State Building, swatting
at attacking spacecraft (the guard[s] he killed) till he accidentally
slipped (if Blake can survive 'Blake' I see no reason why Kong wouldn't
have just needed a little first aid [especially if there's a sequal in
it]).
OTOH, Godzilla had a son, remember? Who was nice, mild mannered, and
never accused of attacking noncoms. He could also shrink down to near
human size and talk (however, Gan's lips are always synchronized with the
sounds coming out of them, so this has major flaws).
Ellynne
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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 20:18:47 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Orbit
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On Sat 29 Jul, Jessica Taylor wrote:
> Are you saying mean things about Gan, that is terrible!
> Firstly because Gan was (IMO) the only member of the crew you'd dare turn
> your back on ever and secondly well, cause he was just so all round sweet,
> besides he couldn't have been godzilla because he had the inhibiter in his
> head to stop him killing people, So there!
Jessica, please stand forward and accept the oak leaf of the Gan Defence League.
Wear it with pride <smile> and welcome to a small, but proud band who believe in
the decency, kindness and general all round niceness of Olag Gan. (And he's
cuddly too <grin>)
Judith
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Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 03:13:39 EDT
From: B7Morrigan@aol.com
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Ellynne wrote:
> I've always wondered what Gan would have been like without the inhibitor.
> There's always the remote possibility the psycho who emerged when it was
> malfunctioning was the real him (I doubt it, since he was generally too
> nice in too many ways [if the Federation could do that kind of
> conditioning, Blake would have been given one]).
>
OTOH, that sounds like a great idea for fanfic <g>
Morrigan
"When I get a little money I buy zines; and if any is left I buy food and
clothes."
(apologies to Erasmus)
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Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 07:39:33 GMT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
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Ellyne:
<[if the Federation could do that kind of conditioning, Blake would have
been given one]).>
and Trish:
<OTOH, that sounds like a great idea for fanfic <g>>
But 'twould have brought the series itself to a screaming great halt round
about - err - the start :-)
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Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 09:56:43 +0200
From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] The charge against Blake (was Orbit)
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To my:
><Besides, he couldn't be sure that any rebel group would want to have
anything to do with a convicted child molester.><
Sally commented:
>Why not <grin>? Everyone else in the galaxy completely forgets the charge
in record time - by SLD even the Powers-That-Be seem to have done so.<
True, but at the time of Cygnus Alpha Blake had no means of knowing that
everyone would so conveniently forget / ignore that charge [unless he's
clairvoyant, of course :-)].
One wonders how the other prisoners on the London would have reacted to him
if they had not been doped to the eyeballs. Usually rapists and child
molesters are at the bottom of the criminal ladder, and in prison often
prone to abuse from their fellow inmates.
Of course, we don't know whether that distinction still exists in the B7
Universe. The admiration with which Vila in Space Fall speaks about Jenna's
and Avon's feats might indicate that smuggling and grand-scale embezzlement
are still at the top of the list, but could equally just express his
personal view. [And isn't it touching how he's even offering Avon some
consolation: "You've got nothing to be ashamed of." Avon doesn't look like
he's appreciating it, though :-)]
>I mean, they *did* it to discredit him, then, when he's becoming a
galaxy-wide hero, they never think to use the most potent weapon in their
armoury against him (I might add that I find *this* plot hole a little
annoying, since it says so much about the Powers-That-Be's intelligence).<
Maybe they deduced that the Federation's reputation had now become so bad
that it lead to everyone automatically being prepared to believe that Blake
had been framed. In those circumstances there would be little use in going
through with it. But I agree that it is a gaping and irritating plot-hole.
Marian
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Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 12:46:48 GMT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] The charge against Blake (was Orbit)
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Marian wrote:
<True, but at the time of Cygnus Alpha Blake had no means of knowing that
everyone would so conveniently forget / ignore that charge [unless he's
clairvoyant, of course :-)].>
Also true, but then given that, wouldn't he better off going and searching
for other rebels, who (having a less-than-glowing view of Federation
justice) would be more likely to give his story of a frame-up credit than
ordinary criminals?
Can't help feeling that had he turned up on, say, Avalon's door with an open
invitation, there would have been enough real rebels dazzled (like My
Darling) by this great big beautiful toy - err, I mean struck by the
possibilities of this wonderful weapon against oppression - to fill the
spots on the flight deck quite satisfactorily.
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Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 09:39:30 -0400
From: "Christine+Steve" <cgorman@idirect.com>
To: "B7 Mailing List" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Orbit
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Gnog wrote :
>
> Now there is a new angle for Orbit (no not the Avon - Villa scene).
> Egrorian. He is an eccentric man, who regards himself as a genius, but
> becomes banished on a lonely planet, with a hero worshipping adolescent
for
> company. (Insert stuff for other list here). How would you expect Egrorian
> to behave ? Is his performance in Orbit really that unbelievable, or just
> the product of prolonged isolation of that sort of man.
I like this view. A genius, used to hearing the praise of his fellow workers
until he begins work on powerful weaponry, when he's cast out. I'm sure
Egrorian considered himself better than all his co-workers, and the feelings
of rejection and anger are probably enhanced over the period of isolation.
The only person he's got to take it out on was Pinder, using him to get the
praise and recognition he feels he deserves and becoming violent when he
doesn't get the right reaction.
Steve Dobson.
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Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 15:34:09 +0200
From: Jacqueline Thijsen <inquisitioner@wish.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Avon Kong
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The Gan as Godzilla or King Kong discussion has given me strange images on
the brain again. The worst of them: a giant Avon (wearing black leather, of
course) climbing the empire state building clutching an adoring Meegat in
one hand.
Brrrr....
Jacqueline
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Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 10:15:27 -0400
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Blake model
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Judith wrote:
>Ian says he's going to start work on Travis next week.
May we enquire how far down the production line Jarriere is waiting?
Harriet
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Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 15:48:04 GMT
From: Ika <blake@gaudaprime.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon in Assassin
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sorry, can't remember who...
> > Bite your tongue <g> ... no, we already *knew* from Assassin that
> > although My Darling has a thousand and three talents and virtues
> > (okay, a thousand talents and about three virtues), acting skill is
> > *definitely* not among them.
> >
Helen:
> Okay, am I the *only* one who thinks that Avon did a pretty good
> befuddled, harmless strandee?
I thought he was fine - but then I think Avon overacts pretty much all the
time. Even when he's not acting. The example that springs to mind is his
confrontation with Servalan - "Oh no, it is not *natural*" etc...
(And yes, I do think that's Avon overacting not PD)
Love, Ika
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Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 10:48:37 -0400
From: "Dana Shilling" <dshilling@worldnet.att.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Orbit
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Replying to Marian and Mistral:
(Marian)> > Judging by the scene in Space Fall, Avon feels very protective
towards his
> > brother. It's my take [but of course I don't expect anyone to agree
:-)]
> > that the reason for Avon's strong protectiveness towards Blake is that
Blake
> > reminds him of his brother.
>
(Mistral)> That's rather close to my view--Avon's brother was an idealist,
> his idealism got him killed, so Blake's idealism attracts and angers
> Avon at the same time. Add that on top of Avon's natural cynicism
> and I think you'd get some pretty strong push-pull.
My take on it is that Avon starts out feeling comprehensively
irritated by Blake because he reminds him of his brother--he
can't quite stop being influenced by decades of quarreling over
the last digestive biscuit.
-(Y)
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Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 10:53:51 -0400
From: "Dana Shilling" <dshilling@worldnet.att.net>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Orbit
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Sally said:
> Avon has this strong disinclination to think very much about other people
> (with three, maybe four reluctant and unadmitted exceptions, including the
> brother and maybe not even including Servalan), which means that they *do*
> very easily slip 'out of sight, out of mind'.
We're not talking about humanity in general here, we're talking about
Tarrant.
Avon is NOT a member of the Tarrant Nostra. Although he certainly doesn't
hate Tarrant anywhere near as much as Vila does.
>
> and Marian:
> <He needed a crew.>
>
> And of course decided that the only people in the galaxy who would meet
his
> exacting standards of stalwart rebel cohorts were the likes of Arco and
> Vila. :-)
Yes, but whenever he met any real rebels and asked them to join him,
they ALL remembered that they had a pressing engagement in Sector
Five...
-(Y)
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Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 10:58:29 -0400
From: "Dana Shilling" <dshilling@worldnet.att.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon in Assassin
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Betty said:
>
> As representative of the majority view, I must add, however, that I
> don't think the slave traders *cared* what his story was or whether he
> was telling the truth, just about how much he was likely to fetch on the
> auction block.
You'd think the BBC would have recognized the palpable need to hire a
few extras to mill around and look saleable...in fact, if online auctions
had been available then, they could have financed S5 just from seeing
how much the fen would have paid for the privilege.
-(Y)
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Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 09:17:37 -0600
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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> Marian wrote:
> <True, but at the time of Cygnus Alpha Blake had no means of knowing
> that
> everyone would so conveniently forget / ignore that charge [unless
> he's
> clairvoyant, of course :-)].>
>
Although he'd forgotten it, Blake first had a big reputation (I assume
under an alias) as leader of the Freedom Party. Then, when he was
caught, they brainwashed him into being the Federation poster boy. Then,
when the brainwashing began to wear off, they framed him for certain
crimes.
I'm thinking transformation #1 probably served more as a warning than
anything else. The only people who really bought it were probably
borderline brainwashed themselves, but (PR points aside) it probably hit
the morale of anyone borderline interested in joining rebel groups to see
how totally the government could twist someone around who'd been a
supporter.
When the false charges came along, people in the know probably had a fair
idea what was going on (sheltered defense attornies who only hung out
with privileged Alphas aside). For it to work, I think we have to assume
that anyone who knew enough to know who Blake _really_ was had to know
enough to think the charges were false.
Probably why the Federation stopped bringing the issue up. If your best
attack starts becoming part of everyone's image of you as an oprressor,
you probably stop bringing it up.
Naturally, Blake didn't know that. All he knew was that things had
worked out on the London so most of the prisoners either believed him or
had enough faith in his ability to plan an escape/charisma/whatever that
they acted as if the charges didn't matter. He didn't have any reason to
believe that would happen with the next group he ran into. He didn't
know rebel movements all over the galaxy had been working nonstop on his
PR.
Then again, Blake's defense attorney may have had the sense to leave what
he'd found (previous to being shot) where someone sympathetic could find
it or perhaps he left information on his computer Avon (or his brother
[previous to Orac, even Avon might have had problems doing the long
distance download - and I doubt the guy's hard drive was just lying
around all that time]?) somehow got ahold of it.
Ellynne
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Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 19:34:21 +0200
From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Orbit
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Dana wrote:
>My take on it is that Avon starts out feeling comprehensively
>irritated by Blake because he reminds him of his brother--he
>can't quite stop being influenced by decades of quarreling over
>the last digestive biscuit.
I can't see Avon quarreling over the last biscuit - he would just grab and
eat it. But maybe his irritation was brought on by the fact that his
brother always beat him to it. :-)
Marian
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Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 08:14:04 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Blake model
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On Fri 28 Jul, Tigerm1019@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 07/28/2000 12:51:01 PM Central Daylight Time,
> Judith@blakes-7.com writes:
>
> > Ian says he's going to start work on Travis next week.
>
> Is this Travis 1 or Travis 2?
Travis 2, I believe.
Judith
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Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 11:10:19 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Gan-zilla
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On Sat 29 Jul, Ellynne G. wrote:
> I've always wondered what Gan would have been like without the inhibitor.
> There's always the remote possibility the psycho who emerged when it was
> malfunctioning was the real him (I doubt it, since he was generally too
> nice in too many ways [if the Federation could do that kind of
> conditioning, Blake would have been given one]).
I always thought that the limiter was feeding scrambled implses into his brain
when it malfunctioned. That was the problem, it hadn't stopped working, it was
malfunctioning.
>
> The problem is, the only logical reason for Cally to have believed him
> when he said he was OK when it was breaking down was if she had some kind
> of telepathic input - he wasn't _feeling_ violent.
That particular scene does give me problems because it seems to be very
calculated on GAn's part, whereas most of the time you got the feeling that his
actions were beyond his control and were sometimes a response to severe pain.
>
> Now, a true psychopath can give all the cues indicating one state of mind
> (even, possibly, fooling themselves [and, in theory, and empathically
> receptive telepaths]) when they're having another. If Gan wasn't in a
> truly psychopathic condition, then he should have been feeling surges of
> violence that Cally should have picked up on.
Or it came and went in surges (when the limiter fed him another current pulse or
whatever and when she was 'listening' he wasn't at his worse?
Cally's ability to read emotion was very limited. I can think of two occasions
when she picked up Avon's emotional state (Hostage and Terminal) but I don't
recall her ever reading anyone else.
Judith
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Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 20:01:40 +0200
From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] The charge against Blake (was Orbit)
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To my:
><True, but at the time of Cygnus Alpha Blake had no means of knowing that
everyone would so conveniently forget / ignore that charge [unless he's
clairvoyant, of course :-)].><
Sally replied:
>Also true, but then given that, wouldn't he better off going and searching
for other rebels, who (having a less-than-glowing view of Federation
justice) would be more likely to give his story of a frame-up credit than
ordinary criminals?<
But would he know where to *find* other rebels? His own rebel activity
seems to have been confined to Earth, which makes it doubtful whether he
would have known about dissidents on other planets. And if he had those
groups would have been wiped out after he'd spilled the beans to his
interrogators prior to his brainwashing. So even if he got his memory back
those people would no longer be there.
The Federation would take care to keep any rebel attacks from the news. And
the rebels wouldn't be advertising their whereabouts. On his first mission,
in Time Squad, Blake is reduced to sit waiting for the rebels to make
contact with him.
So I don't think he had much option but to go to the one place where he
could expect to find people willing to join him, if only to get off the
planet. And he genuinely seems to be convinced of the need for a larger
crew. Probably his first priority was to get a crew to fly the ship. He
may have planned to recruit a rebel force later. But the trouble he had
with his small band of reluctant followers must have made him think better
of that. :-)
Marian
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Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 14:01:16 -0400
From: "Gary" <gadam@shore.net>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Parsec {was Orbit}
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I'm not sure about the one second on arc at that distance, but the correct
'yardstick' for a parsec is 3.26 light years. I suppose if an ear of corn
were that far away it would not subtend an angle that large. The crowd does
note your exposure of Han Solo's use being incorrect. However, I must add
that Star Wars had the best usage of the jump to hyperspace being
*dangerous* and *time-consuming*. In series like B7 and Doctor Who and the
Star Trek
series' they just simply get the order to go warp whatever and basically
just slam the gas and go... At least Han explains it takes time for the
computer to get it right and it's just simply not a safe, free thing. Of
course, they gloss over it in later movies anyway, just like everybody else
does.
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Date: Thursday, July 27, 2000 4:33 PM
Subject: Re: [B7L] Orbit
>On Thu 27 Jul, rita d'orac wrote:
>> I was running late this morning and caught "Godzila" (cartoon series) on
TV.
>>
>> Won't go into the details of the plot (yes I know I should have been at
work by now),
>> but the mad scientist referred to a "Tachyon Signal" being sent from an
alien craft at
>> the bottom of the sea. The others on the boat asked him what Ta
>> chyons were and he described them as "high density electro-magnetic
paticles".
>
>And the fact that they go faster than light passes un-noticed <sigh>.
>
>God, I hate bad science!
>
>It isn't exactly hard to generate technobabble that at least has some
relevence
>to real science. I think the thing that makes me wince hardest in the
whole
>Star Wars saga is when Han Solo uses 'parsec' as a unit of time. (It's
actually
>the distance at which an object has as parallax of one second of arc -
fingers
>crossed that I haven't got that wrong...)(a second is a fraction of a
degree)
>
>At least B7 isn't too bad in this respect, though they are rather cavilier
about
>how long it takes to get places - that's inconsistent plotting as much as
>anything else though. Remember Star One where they talk about how they're
so
>far from anywhere that it would take ages for anyone to get out there -
then the
>fleet make it in about three hours! (I always assume that there was a fleet
>doing border patrol that they didn't know about, but it's still a bit
flimsy.)
>
>Judith
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>
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Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 20:52:13 +0200
From: Jacqueline Thijsen <inquisitioner@wish.net>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Blake model
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At 09:14 29-7-00, Judith Proctor wrote:
>On Fri 28 Jul, Tigerm1019@aol.com wrote:
> > In a message dated 07/28/2000 12:51:01 PM Central Daylight Time,
> > Judith@blakes-7.com writes:
> >
> > > Ian says he's going to start work on Travis next week.
> >
> > Is this Travis 1 or Travis 2?
>
>Travis 2, I believe.
Yesss!!!! Yesss!!!! Yesss!!!! Want one!!!! Want one!!!! Want one......
But only if it really is Travis 2.
Jacqueline
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Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 15:12:21 EDT
From: Tigerm1019@aol.com
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Blake model
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In a message dated 07/29/2000 12:59:41 PM Central Daylight Time,
Judith@blakes-7.com writes:
> > Is this Travis 1 or Travis 2?
>
> Travis 2, I believe.
Thanks, Judith. :-)
Tiger M
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Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 21:47:15 GMT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Blake model
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Tiger M/Judith:
<Is this Travis 1 or Travis 2?>
<Travis 2, I believe.>
Have we got enough takers for a Vila yet? (and I'm with Harriet on the
Jarriere too, surprise surprise).
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Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 19:30:08 -0600
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Gan-zilla
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On Sat, 29 Jul 2000 11:10:19 +0100 (BST) Judith Proctor
<Judith@blakes-7.com> writes:
> Cally's ability to read emotion was very limited. I can think of
> two occasions
> when she picked up Avon's emotional state (Hostage and Terminal) but
> I don't
> recall her ever reading anyone else.
>
Me either, but it's the only reason I can think of for anyone with an IQ
higher than a drumstick's to untie a guy who'd just been violently
attacking friends minutes before. It's either that or that terrible
affliction, fluctuating IQ, that so many TV characters suffer from.
Ellynne
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Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 19:45:49 -0600
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Parsec {was Orbit}
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On Sat, 29 Jul 2000 14:01:16 -0400 "Gary" <gadam@shore.net> writes:
> I'm not sure about the one second on arc at that distance, but the
> correct
> 'yardstick' for a parsec is 3.26 light years. I suppose if an ear of
> corn
> were that far away it would not subtend an angle that large. The
> crowd does
> note your exposure of Han Solo's use being incorrect.
If it had been a TV series, someone would have had a scene where they
talked about space flight to Dr. Who Companion or other character whose
main purpose is to say "Huh?" with conviction so someone else can launch
into plot exposition or other explanations.
Han: It gets [X] parsecs past light speed-
Dr. Who Companion: Huh? I thought parsecs were a distance thingy.
Han: [Looks at DWC as if he can't believe anyone doesn't understand this]
Not when you're talking about _how fast_ the ship goes [doesn't add 'you
dumb twit' but the thought is implied]. It's short for parsecs per hour.
Next Scene: Han is talking to Chewie in the engine room
Han: Hey, Chewie, you won't believe this. I finally met someone dimmer
than Luke.
(Author's note: The opinions expressed by the characters are their own
and do not reflect the opinions of the management).
Ellynne
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Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 20:03:45 -0800
From: "Lysias" <lysias@apexmail.com>
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Gary writes to Judith:
>I'm not sure about the one second on arc at that distance, but the corr=
ect
>'yardstick' for a parsec is 3.26 light years. I suppose if an ear of co=
rn
>were that far away it would not subtend an angle that large.
Well, Judith's definition wasn't quite complete, while I'd say yours was=
more a value than a definition.
What's Pi? Is it the ratio of a circle's circumference to its radius, or=
is it 3.14159265359(and so on)?
The definition of a Parsec is the distance at which a point object would=
subtend an angle of one second, when the observer moves one astronomica=
l unit (the distance between the earth and the sun) perpendicular to the=
line of sight. That is, you make a measuremet of the angle to the objec=
t, race one AU sideways, then measure the angle again. The difference be=
tween the two angles can be used to give you the distance.
As for Tachyons... As far as we know, they don't interact with normal ma=
tter. So there.
Just don't get me started on Neutrino beams!
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Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 22:06:42 -0600
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Tachyons
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Thoughts on the Tachyon Funnel:
So the name didn't make sense. Maybe Egrorian was one of those
scientists who was messing in the lab one day, got a weird effect, even
learned how to do something with it, but never actually managed a sound
theory to explain the phenomena. Instead, he just spouted a lot of
technobabble to try and cover.
So it was pretty bad technobabble. What did we expect from him?
Ellynne
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Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 04:10:43 GMT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [B7L] Gan-zilla
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After Judith wrote:
<Cally's ability to read emotion was very limited. I can think of two
occasions when she picked up Avon's emotional state (Hostage and Terminal)
but I don't recall her ever reading anyone else.>
Ellynne added:
<Me either, but it's the only reason I can think of for anyone with an IQ
higher than a drumstick's to untie a guy who'd just been violently attacking
friends minutes before. It's either that or that terrible affliction,
fluctuating IQ, that so many TV characters suffer from.>
Yes, but remember she was firmly *against* restraining him in the first
place ("such things are barbarous" with that glower at Blake), and that when
he was out cold so there were no emotions for her to pick up on.
Me, I just assume that she was so upset by the restraints, that she was
*looking* for an excuse to get rid of the damn things. (She'd learned better
by Voice - unfortunately, Vila found a whole new stupid reason to do the
same thing ... :-)
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Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 20:38:00 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Avon'a acting
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> OTOH, I don't think his acting the innocent in Gambit can have convinced
> Blake for a minute.
>
> Marian
Hell, no! Even without ORAC's sense of timing for reversion to full
size. Avon was doing his best impression of a teenage boy having no idea
why Dad's car was out of gas when Dad'd filled it on his way home last
night.
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Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 21:01:33 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Avon, Tarrant, Guada Prime
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> That's Avon's fatalistic streak :-) The possibility that Tarrant could have
> survived the crash simply didn't enter his mind.
I haven't viewed this tape in a while, but this comment is in line with
my interpretation:
> There's also the possibility that Avon had persuaded himself to check (and
> couldn't do it until he had a flyer to get him there) and that's how he came
> in contact with Blake's flyer and ended up following it.
They teleported; the ship crashed. Who says they didn't end up off the
plateau it crashed on, or on the other side of a canyon, or whatever?
Avon quite likely was able to hide ORAC and check on the other's, but
hadn't figured out yet how to reach the wreck.
Also, on Terminal, there was no one besides Avon and friends to find out
what happened after the explosions. Guada Prime, on the other hand, was
a populated planet, with plenty of technology. Someone would surely
notice a wrecking spaceship. Some one was sure to come. If they were
coming to render medical assistance, they could do so better than Avon,
especially siince he wasn't carrying medical equipment when he left
Scorpio. (Envision if you will, him coming back, finding an injured
Tarrant, "Don't die yet, I think I've got most of the pieces of the
medical scanner. Once I insert all the chips back in order, and rewire
it to get around the missing parts, I should be able to run a diagnostic
on you. That should indicate what all of your injuries are, unless that
was a really vital component that rolled off intot he flames over there.
Then once it's instrcted me how to treat you, I can repair the tissue
regenerators and we'll be ready to go in about, say 3 hours, barring any
broken fuses.")
If the people who would come t othe ship were going for other reasons
than rendering assistance, such as making an arrest or tearing the thing
apart for salvage, Avon might have been able to help Tarrant by killing
the people if he took them by surprise, but he'd have to have awfully
good timing to be able to determine their intentions were hostile before
Tarrant was beyond his ability to assist.
Meanwhile, he had 3 other crewmembers to think of. Soolin, and the
attack as they reached the place, had both given him good reasons to
think none of them would find Guada Prime a picnic spot. He, with
typical Avon mathematics, went to see if 3 crewmembers were safe, rather
than 1.
> What I find most fascinating about the scene where Avon is willing to
> sacrifice himself for Tarrant is Tarrant's change of attitude. In TERMINAL
> Tarrant was surprised that Avon came back for him; Tarrant didn't yet realize
> that Avon cared about him. By GAMES Tarrant is saying "Avon wouldn't run out
> on us." And by BLAKE he realizes that Avon would take over the controls to
> allow him to escape. That Avon doesn't deny he was willing to take over the
> controls confirms his intent for me. Avon wouldn't stand still for an
> "accusation" of altruism if it wasn't true. :)
>
> Carol Mc
Well put, Carol.
It was discussions on this lyst that made me realise how Avon and
Tarrant's relationship had changed by this point in time. And Tarrant's
telling Avon that both of them would die if he released the controls,
was the fastest, smartest way of getting him to go. Avon couldn't save
Tarrant's life by taking the controls; Avon trusted his evaluation.
Better one live than both die; once again, the mathematics of Avon.
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