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blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 225
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L] See how in haiku 'Blake's [ B7Morrigan@aol.com ]
Re: [B7L] 'Twould have improved it n [ "Dana Shilling" <dshilling@worldnet ]
Re: [B7L] Time [ "Andrew Ellis" <Andrew.D.Ellis@btin ]
Re: [B7L] New book by Camille Bacon- [ Betty Ragan <ragan@sdc.org> ]
Re: [B7L] See how in haiku 'Blake's [ Betty Ragan <ragan@sdc.org> ]
[B7L] Re: Jarvik as Carrie [ Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net> ]
[B7L] Re:Haiku [ Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net> ]
Re: [B7L] Re:Haiku [ "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.co ]
Re: [B7L] Re:Haiku [ "Minnie" <minnie@picknowl.com.au> ]
Re: [B7L] New book by Camille Bacon- [ "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.con ]
Re: [B7L] See how in haiku 'Blake's [ "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.con ]
Re: [B7L] See how in haiku 'Blake's [ "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.con ]
Re: [B7L] See how in limericks 'Blak [ Penny Dreadful <pennydreadful@power ]
Re: [B7L] See how in haiku 'Blake's [ mistral@ptinet.net ]
Re: [B7L] See how in haiku 'Blake's [ "Jessica Taylor" <morgaine54@hotmai ]
Re: [B7L] See how in haiku 'Blake's [ Iain Coleman <ijc@bas.ac.uk> ]
Re: [B7L] Re:Haiku [ "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.con ]
Re: [B7L] See how in haiku 'Blake's [ "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.con ]
Re: [B7L] See how in haiku 'Blake's [ "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.con ]
Re: [B7L] See how in limericks 'Blak [ "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.con ]
Re: [B7L] See how in haiku 'Blake's [ Iain Coleman <ijc@bas.ac.uk> ]
Re: [B7L] See how in haiku 'Blake's [ "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.con ]
Re: [B7L] See how in haiku 'Blake's [ "Christine+Steve" <cgorman@idirect. ]
[B7L] Fanfic on the Web [ "Roberts, Patricia @ CSE" <proberts ]
Re: [B7L] Time [ Calle Dybedahl <calle@lysator.liu.s ]
Re: [B7L] Time [ Alison Page <alison_page@becta.org. ]
Re: [B7L] See how in haiku 'Blake's [ "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.n ]
Re: [B7L] See how in haiku 'Blake's [ "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.con ]
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Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:11:43 EDT
From: B7Morrigan@aol.com
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A weak attempt or two at Shadow:
Pretty golden balls
Pale siblings combat Orac
Cally makes a friend
or
Pretty golden balls
Men in black are no allies
Bek burns their garden
Morrigan
"When I get a little money I buy zines; and if any is left I buy food and
clothes."
(apologies to Erasmus)
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Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:13:46 -0400
From: "Dana Shilling" <dshilling@worldnet.att.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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Ellynne said:
> >>Star One: Just as he is about to shoot Blake, Travis' batteries burn
out.
> >
> >I know you're referring just to his arm, but there's an image - Blake as
> >the Duracell rabbit, with Travis having the inferior brand of battery.
Considering that Travis' arm is government issue, they must have gotten
it through a cumbersome procurement process based on sealed bids.
In other words, it's amazing the damn thing worked as well as it did.
(NASA quote: "Remember that everything you're sitting on was built
by the lowest bidder.")
-(Y)
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Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 22:53:47 +0100
From: "Andrew Ellis" <Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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>FTL travel is functionally equivalent to using a "time machine", right?
>Therefore I figure in any SF universe wherein FTL travel exists, any
>concept of "timeline" or concrete Cause and Effect can be dispensed with
>cavalierly if it's getting in one's way.
Erm. Basically. NO. At the simplest level FTL travel in itself simply allows
you to travel arbitrarily fast, but NOT backwards in time.
If I can catch the eye a passing nuclear physicist, they might confirm that
the old "wormhole" time machine relies on the twin paradox, being able to
"catch" one end of a wormhole, and being able to withstand the massive
spatial distortion associated with passing through it, and a whole load of
altruistic bods leaving the damn things lying around to no personal benefit.
So you might think about FTL making all of this easier. Whilst so doing,
remember to factor in the twin paradox, taking note the experimental
evidence confirming its effect in the vicinity of small Earth like planets,
but the evidence that Blake et al, travelling FTL do not experience "twin
paradox" difficulties when meeting relatives going on revenge trips of
chasing Travis all over the Galaxy.
Of course, a good tachnobablist could, in principle, give an argument that
simultaneously allows time travel and continuous acceleration to FTL. Might
even call the machine that does it a Travel Always Real, Dreams Including
Starwars, and it might, in some crude fashion, re introduce cause and effect
by imposing some guardians of time.
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Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 18:35:41 -0600
From: Betty Ragan <ragan@sdc.org>
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Una McCormack wrote:
> I thought people might be interested to know that there is a new book out by
> Camille Bacon-Smith (who wrote 'Enterprising Women' about media fandom).
Hey, I just bought this. Like, yesterday!
[sigh] *Why* do people insist on publishing books faster than I can
read them? :)
--
Betty Ragan ** ragan@sdc.org ** http://www.sdc.org/~ragan/
"Imposing Latin rules on English structure is a little
like trying to play baseball in ice skates." -- Bill Bryson
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Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 18:39:40 -0600
From: Betty Ragan <ragan@sdc.org>
To: lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] See how in haiku 'Blake's 7' is suddenly somehow less tacky
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Una McCormack wrote:
> Alas, I'm crap at writing haiku. So, at the end of this message, are my
> feeble attempts at the first few episodes, and your mission, should you
> choose to accept it, is to supply me with the rest.
Una, these are hysterical! Except that you're horrible cruel to "The
Web." :) I'll let you know whether I accept the mission when I find out
whether my muse is back from wherever it went on vacation.
--
Betty Ragan ** ragan@sdc.org ** http://www.sdc.org/~ragan/
"Imposing Latin rules on English structure is a little
like trying to play baseball in ice skates." -- Bill Bryson
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Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 18:32:23 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
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>
> Joyous laughter ringing through the terraces of Leeds here Ellynne, although
> this is leaving me with *extremely* strange mental images of Jarvik in a pink
> prom dress and Tarrant in an awful baby-blue tuxedo...
>
> Love,
> Ika
Jarvik in a pink dress. *That* is an image I'll treasure. For the sheer
nastiness of it.
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Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 18:43:01 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
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more correct form of Haiku for Headhunter:
Outside, Nature's green;
Within, a horror stalks our friends.
Run, Soolin! Bang! Yay!
(still, sadly lacking as a plot summary)
Aftermath:
Avon falls near ocean;
Pretty girl and father learn
Trouble follows him.
Trial:
Gan's death brings questions.
Blake needs to prove self. Travis
Needs no proof of guilt.
(sigh. Unsatisfactory, all. I think I'll write more about Snape)
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Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 13:23:33 EST
From: "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
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>From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
>Run, Soolin! Bang! Yay!
Um, not being overly enamoured of Soolin, this line (robbed of its context,
of course) leads to an interesting train of thought. <grin> Thanks, Helen!
>(sigh. Unsatisfactory, all. I think I'll write more about Snape)
By all means...
Regards
Joanne
(wondering who else is going to put her on probation now? Should I try for
Tarrant? Nah, I know what the Godmother's like...)
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Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 16:41:41 +0930
From: "Minnie" <minnie@picknowl.com.au>
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Helen wrote
>
>Aftermath:
>
>Avon falls near ocean;
>Pretty girl and father learn
>Trouble follows him.
Oh well done. More!!!!!!!!! Hey, what are the rules for this?? <VBEG>
Min.................(rubs her hands together for more poetry fun)
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Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 08:34:43 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] New book by Camille Bacon-Smith
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Betty wrote:
> Una McCormack wrote:
>
> > I thought people might be interested to know that there is a new book
out by
> > Camille Bacon-Smith (who wrote 'Enterprising Women' about media fandom).
>
> Hey, I just bought this. Like, yesterday!
We are the good taste twins!
> [sigh] *Why* do people insist on publishing books faster than I can
> read them? :)
Wretched, isn't it?
Una
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Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 08:35:43 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] See how in haiku 'Blake's 7' is suddenly somehow less tacky
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Betty wrote:
> you're horrible cruel to "The
> Web." :)
Yeah, but it deserves it...
> I'll let you know whether I accept the mission when I find out
> whether my muse is back from wherever it went on vacation.
Your mission, then, is track down your muse.
Una
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Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 08:47:48 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: "B7 Mailing List" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] See how in haiku 'Blake's 7' is suddenly somehow less tacky
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Steve Dobson wrote:
> How about this for Headhunter :
>
> Shame, tall man looses head
> Run round outside, make a big zap
> Damm fool halfwits save mankind
>
> ....Ahhh, bugger, too many syllables!
Trickier than it looks, isn't it? <g>
> Stardrive :
>
> Land ship on rock? D'oh!
> Fun in the sand, nice buggy dude.
> Ooops. Burn, nice Doctor, burn.
>
> Ohh, I give up!
No, no! This one works - just juggle the words around!
Land ship on rock? D'oh!
Sand dune fun - nice buggy, dude!
Oops. Burn, Doctor, burn!
Una
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Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 02:15:44 -0600
From: Penny Dreadful <pennydreadful@powersurfr.com>
To: lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] See how in limericks 'Blake's 7' is suddenly somehow
even more tacky
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Una did complain:
>> Alas, I'm crap at writing haiku. So, at the end of this message, are my
>> feeble attempts at the first few episodes, and your mission, should you
>> choose to accept it, is to supply me with the rest.
I still can't do haiku. But how about limericks?
The Way Back:
A sturdy young fellow named Blake
ventured out, and drank straight from a lake;
He couldn't be tamed
so he had to be framed
and banished from Earth, without cake.
Spacefall:
The mutiny ended in bloodshed, but then
The survivors got hooked up with something called Zen.
You'll not find a finer
deus ex machina
than Liberator. Standard By Ten!
Cygnus Alpha:
A bigmouth in really white shoes
gave all the new fishies the blues.
His god was the pits,
so they blew him to bits,
then our heroes set off on their cruise.
Time Squad:
A plucky young Auron named Cally
geared up for a suicide sally;
meanwhile another alien
gave Jenna a whalin'
after which she did not feel too pally.
The We-- well I suppose I could do all 52 (well actually 51 because there's
still one I haven't seen) but I think you get the picture.
--
For A Dread Time, Call Penny:
http://members.tripod.com/~Penny_Dreadful/
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Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 01:16:27 -0700
From: mistral@ptinet.net
To: B7 List <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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Una McCormack wrote:
> Absolutely ages ago, I started on a new plan for my website, which was to
> put all 52 episodes into haiku. These timeless poetic crystals were to be
> presented to you in flawless and beautiful HTML, so that you could all
> admire my genius.
What fun. Last year, during a dull spell on the lyst, I thought of writing
a prequel to 'Animals' in haiku. Really.
> Alas, I'm crap at writing haiku.
Me too! Liked yours, though, especially Spacefall. Let me try:
===============
Trial:
The future turns, on
Savage thinking animals,
Philosophic fleas.
Rumors of Death:
Avon's killed his Love.
Hoping to atone for this,
He does it again.
Terminal:
Blake is a mirage,
And Servalan a nightmare;
Liberator, dust...
Rescue:
You can rest easy,
No monster under your bed;
It's in the basement.
Power:
The new base is fine;
The only difficulty -
The rotten neighbors.
Warlord:
Young love and bad hair
Battle the Federation.
Farewell, Zeeona.
Hmm. No, I think it's just as tacky.
Mistral
--
"Ad hoc, ad loc, and quid pro quo. So little time! So much to know!"
--Jeremy Hilary Boob, Ph.D.
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Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 19:19:24 EST
From: "Jessica Taylor" <morgaine54@hotmail.com>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] See how in haiku 'Blake's 7' is suddenly somehow less tacky
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Una:
>Alas, I'm crap at writing haiku. So, at the end of this message, are my
>feeble attempts at the first few episodes, and your mission, should you
>choose to accept it, is to supply me with the rest.
Hey, yours are great Una, I've never heard of this sort of poetry before and
i'm not sure if I haven't missed the point entirely but
I had a go. Now I remember why I don't write poetry.
Project Avalon
Heroes abduct fake
Find out in time, bad Travis
Servalan angry
Children of Auron
Cry for help with plague
Trapped in, save my babies
Zelda up in smoke
As I said, I may have missed the point, it is fun though isn't it?
Jessica
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Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:26:01 +0100 (BST)
From: Iain Coleman <ijc@bas.ac.uk>
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Blake:
"Have you betrayed me?"
Give a straight answer, Blake, or
We end the series
Volcano:
If you remember
Can you tell me what happened?
I must have dozed off.
Iain
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Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:55:56 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re:Haiku
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Minnie:
> Hey, what are the rules for this?? <VBEG>
Choose an episode, and write a 17 syllable summary, or mood piece, or
whatever captures your fancy, in lines of 5/7/5 syllables. It's harder than
you initially think... <g>
Una
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Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 11:11:06 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: "B7 List" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] See how in haiku 'Blake's 7' is suddenly somehow less tacky
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Mistral wrote:
> Una McCormack wrote:
>
> > Absolutely ages ago, I started on a new plan for my website, which was
to
> > put all 52 episodes into haiku. These timeless poetic crystals were to
be
> > presented to you in flawless and beautiful HTML, so that you could all
> > admire my genius.
>
> What fun. Last year, during a dull spell on the lyst, I thought of writing
> a prequel to 'Animals' in haiku. Really.
Brilliant! Will you write it anyway and can I have it for my 'Animals'
love-in site - as proof that 'Animals' inspires people to poetry? Here's my
'Animals' haiku:
Kneel down and worship
The pinnacle of telly
- you know you want to.
They were great, Mistral, especially - well all of them, really. 'Trial' in
particular. That caught the haiku mood. I wondered if anyone was going to
try 'Rumours'. Here's my shot at it.
Caught in the crossfire,
The class war is over for
Forress and Grenlee.
The future holds no
Remembrance of things past, but
An old wall waiting.
Una
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Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 11:13:40 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: "B7 List" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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Iain wrote:
> Volcano:
>
> If you remember
> Can you tell me what happened?
> I must have dozed off.
Just to refer back to the quotation from the haiku page:
'It must register or indicate a moment, sensation, impression or drama of
a specific fact of nature. It's almost like a photo of some specific moment
of nature.'
Uncanny, Iain.
Una
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Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 11:22:01 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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Penny wrote:
> I still can't do haiku. But how about limericks?
[snip]
> The We-- well I suppose I could do all 52 (well actually 51 because
there's
> still one I haven't seen) but I think you get the picture.
Definite round robin material.
The Web:
Jenna went suddenly vague
And it turned out the cause was a plague
Of crass rights abuses,
By genetic excuses -
The court case should go to the Hague.
Una
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Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 12:04:46 +0100 (BST)
From: Iain Coleman <ijc@bas.ac.uk>
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On Wed, 9 Aug 2000, Una McCormack wrote:
>
> Brilliant! Will you write it anyway and can I have it for my 'Animals'
> love-in site - as proof that 'Animals' inspires people to poetry? Here's my
> 'Animals' haiku:
>
> Kneel down and worship
> The pinnacle of telly
> - you know you want to.
And here's mine:
Whip out your tackle
And nail it to the cheeseboard
- you know you want to.
Iain
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Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 12:15:43 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: "B7 List" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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Iain wrote:
> Whip out your tackle
> And nail it to the cheeseboard
> - you know you want to.
See! I knew you got a thrill from 'Animals'!
Una
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Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 08:11:04 -0400
From: "Christine+Steve" <cgorman@idirect.com>
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Una McCormack replied to my attempt
> > Stardrive :
> >
> > Land ship on rock? D'oh!
> > Fun in the sand, nice buggy dude.
> > Ooops. Burn, nice Doctor, burn.
> >
> > Ohh, I give up!
>
> No, no! This one works - just juggle the words around!
>
> Land ship on rock? D'oh!
> Sand dune fun - nice buggy, dude!
> Oops. Burn, Doctor, burn!
Hey cool! Have to work on a few more! I'm finally able to get a
multisystem video this weekend, so I'll be able to watch all my B7 tapes!!
YAAAYYYYYYY!!!!!
Steve Dobson.
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Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:13:09 -0400
From: "Roberts, Patricia @ CSE" <proberts@mail.cse.l-3com.com>
To: "'freedom-city@blakes-7.org'" <freedom-city@blakes-7.org>,
"'blakes7@lysator.liu.se'" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Fanfic on the Web
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I've been in touch with Sheila (encouraging her to post more fanfic) and she
tells me she is working on another Jabberwocky!!!! She mentioned that Deeta
is back!!! (She said no one stays dead in Jabberwocky.)
She also said it might be helpful if anyone wanting to see her finish this
story tells her so. A little nagging (and encouragement) goes a long way.
Sheila Paulson's fanfic on the web can be found at:
http://members.aol.com/Venkie/rgb/rgb.htm
Click on "Other Fanfiction."
Pat
856-338-2215
patricia.roberts@L-3Com.com
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Date: 09 Aug 2000 17:02:53 +0200
From: Calle Dybedahl <calle@lysator.liu.se>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Time
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>>>>> "Andrew" == Andrew Ellis <Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com> writes:
> Erm. Basically. NO. At the simplest level FTL travel in itself simply allows
> you to travel arbitrarily fast, but NOT backwards in time.
Wrong. Any FTL travel implies (as long as the theory of relativity
holds) the possibility for effects predating causes, which is in
practice the same as time travel. See
http://www.physics.purdue.edu/~hinson/ftl/ for much detail (written
for Star Trek, but most of it is valid for Real Life).
http://www.physics.purdue.edu/~hinson/ftl/html/FTL_part4.html#sec:ftleqvofc
goes straight to the bit about causality violation, but you probably
need to have a look at the terminology before you can make sense of it.
--
Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | calle@lysator.liu.se
"Our five main weapons are Invincible Ignorance, Not Invented Here,
FUD, derision, wild-eyed ranting, ad hominem attacks, straw men, and,
and...oh bugger." -- Joe Bednorz, A.S.R
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Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 17:22:03 +0100
From: Alison Page <alison_page@becta.org.uk>
To: "'blakes7@lysator.liu.se'" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Time
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FTL = time travel?
I think this is disagreement is based on a fallacy. If accept a
self-contradictory statement as a premise in an argument, then you can
legitimately derive any other statement you like from it. I can't remember
the Latin name for that, but it is one of those mediaeval syllogism things.
'Deductio ad absurdam' or something like that.
The statement 'FTL travel is possible for normal matter, but relativity is
true' is a self-contradictory statement, so you can argue from it that
either time travel is possible, or time travel is impossible. Because you
can prove anything from a contradictory premise.
So everyone is right
Alison
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Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 18:46:25 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] See how in haiku 'Blake's 7' is suddenly somehow less tacky
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From: Una McCormack <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
> Absolutely ages ago, I started on a new plan for my website, which was to
> put all 52 episodes into haiku.
Which would normally send me scuttling for cover (or something to chuck up
in), but these examples are clearly definitive examples of the art and inded
justify the entire form.
> The Web:
>
> Ing boring boring
> Boring boring boring bor
> Ing boring boring.
<Awestruck> That's ... so *true*
I'm afraid the best I could come up with whilst birding this morning (in the
fog, so not even that many birds to distract me) were:
Deliverance:
Avon is a god?
His fans know that anyway.
Others aren't so sure.
Breakdown:
Gan's gone round the twist.
Can the surgeon save him, and
Do we give a toss?
Rumours of Death:
Just a plot device.
No more nuts, a life cut short.
Alas, poor squirrel.
Neil
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Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 21:29:54 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] See how in haiku 'Blake's 7' is suddenly somehow less tacky
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Neil wrote:
> From: Una McCormack <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
> > Absolutely ages ago, I started on a new plan for my website, which was
to
> > put all 52 episodes into haiku.
>
> Which would normally send me scuttling for cover (or something to chuck up
> in), but these examples are clearly definitive examples of the art and
inded
> justify the entire form.
Bless your furry little socks.
> > The Web:
> >
> > Ing boring boring
> > Boring boring boring bor
> > Ing boring boring.
>
> <Awestruck> That's ... so *true*
I do think I struck a particularly raw and honest note in that one.
> Breakdown:
> Gan's gone round the twist.
> Can the surgeon save him, and
> Do we give a toss?
Nope. Bravo trying 'Breakdown' though. I didn't think there was enough plot
to fill 17 syllables.
> Rumours of Death:
> Just a plot device.
> No more nuts, a life cut short.
> Alas, poor squirrel.
Ah, those guest parts.
Una
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