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blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 24
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L] History
Re: [B7L] History
Re: [B7L] History
Re: [B7L] History
Re: Re: [B7L] Remove
Re: [B7L] Remove
Re: [B7L] Remove
Re: [B7L] Remove
Re: Re: [B7L] Remove
Re: [B7L] Capchered agane
Re: [B7L] History
Re: [B7L] History
Re: [B7L] Capchered agane
[B7L] The Strangerers/Paul Darrow
[B7L] Re:Avon&the masses (was history)
[B7L] News from Horizon
[B7L] theme music CD
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Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 14:59:02 +0000
From: Una McCormack <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] History
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Iain Coleman wrote:
>
> On Mon, 24 Jan 2000, Una McCormack wrote:
>
> > Did I mention I'd trademarked the phrase 'many many people'? You all have to
> > pay me a fiver everytime you use it from now on. Actually, I was thinking of
> > looking into the possibility of retroactive charges, so this whole debate
> > may have proved very profitable for me.
>
> Fair enough. By the way, did I mention I trademarked "Una" in 1985?
I'm guessing that you made the common mistake and trademarked the
'Yoona' as opposed to the 'Oona' variant. Can't have been so much money
coming from that since Worzel Gummidge ended, I guess?
Una
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Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 15:38:50 +0000 (GMT)
From: Iain Coleman <ijc@bsfiles.nerc-bas.ac.uk>
To: Una McCormack <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
Cc: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] History
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On Tue, 25 Jan 2000, Una McCormack wrote:
> Iain Coleman wrote:
> > Fair enough. By the way, did I mention I trademarked "Una" in 1985?
>
> I'm guessing that you made the common mistake and trademarked the
> 'Yoona' as opposed to the 'Oona' variant. Can't have been so much money
> coming from that since Worzel Gummidge ended, I guess?
Repeat fees, my dear, repeat fees. How do you think I fund my millionaire
playboy lifestyle?
Iain
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Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 15:39:18 +0000
From: Una McCormack <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] History
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Iain Coleman wrote:
>
> On Tue, 25 Jan 2000, Una McCormack wrote:
>
> > Iain Coleman wrote:
> > > Fair enough. By the way, did I mention I trademarked "Una" in 1985?
> >
> > I'm guessing that you made the common mistake and trademarked the
> > 'Yoona' as opposed to the 'Oona' variant. Can't have been so much money
> > coming from that since Worzel Gummidge ended, I guess?
>
> Repeat fees, my dear, repeat fees. How do you think I fund my millionaire
> playboy lifestyle?
I thought you did that by being one of the Spice Girls.
Una
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Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 16:14:51 +0000 (GMT)
From: Iain Coleman <ijc@bsfiles.nerc-bas.ac.uk>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] History
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On Tue, 25 Jan 2000, Una McCormack wrote:
> Iain Coleman wrote:
> > Repeat fees, my dear, repeat fees. How do you think I fund my millionaire
> > playboy lifestyle?
>
> I thought you did that by being one of the Spice Girls.
>
_All_ of the Spice Girls. Not much profit there, though: all the cash goes
to fund my Chew-Z habit.
Iain
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Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 13:46:48 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: Re: [B7L] Remove
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Well, it's good to know we aren't boring all the newbies. Welcome
aboard, Karen. And I can see already, you're going to fit right it. <g>
I leave it to the readers whether that was a compliment or not. <eg>
--Avona
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Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 20:05:05 -0000
From: "Alison Page" <alison@alisonpage.demon.co.uk>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Remove
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lisabeth
>Ah, but then he wouldn't have been able to get in the zinger about how
>boring we are.
but remember the simple acronym ITTOYA (it's that time of year again). The
christmas computers are just kicking in. Two weeks on the net, and they're
cheeky as all heck.
This time last year it was 'Superspud' wasn't it?
Alison
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Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 20:28:36 +0000
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Remove
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In message <007201bf676f$990f22c0$ca8edec2@pre-installedco>, Alison Page
<alison@alisonpage.demon.co.uk> writes
>
>but remember the simple acronym ITTOYA (it's that time of year again). The
>christmas computers are just kicking in. Two weeks on the net, and they're
>cheeky as all heck.
It's September all year round.
>
>This time last year it was 'Superspud' wasn't it?
Oh, yes, must clean out my killfile...
I genuinely am somewhat curious as to what he thought he'd find.
Remember the one that wandered in, and wandered out complaining because
the list wasted his time with discussions about the series instead of
being just postings telling him where to buy merchandise?
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 15:37:12 EST
From: Tigerm1019@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Remove
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In a message dated 01/25/2000 2:07:34 PM Central Standard Time,
alison@alisonpage.demon.co.uk writes:
> lisabeth
>
> >Ah, but then he wouldn't have been able to get in the zinger about how
> >boring we are.
>
> but remember the simple acronym ITTOYA (it's that time of year again). The
> christmas computers are just kicking in. Two weeks on the net, and they're
> cheeky as all heck.
And it's been very mild this year, compared to last. I hope it stays that
way. :-)
> This time last year it was 'Superspud' wasn't it?
Unfortunately, yes. I remember him only too well.
I suspect that at least part of the reason the lists get restive this time of
year is that the Americans and Europeans have usually been cooped up indoors
by bad weather and it's hot in Australia. It's more or less the same deal
with July and August flamewars.
Tiger M
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Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 19:25:23 -0000
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: Re: [B7L] Remove
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Una wrote:
> From: <KKrause658@aol.com>
> > I was at first
> > worried when I read Neil's "Avon diaries." But luckily, I'm found out
it
> was
> > a pastiche and not something seriously wrong with Neil.
>
> Oh boy, I'm chortling at this end and restraining myself nobly from
> responding, as I'm sure you can imagine! ;)
And Lisa added:
>Those are not necessarily mutually exclusive propositions, you know.
Oh thank you. Thank you so much. Nothing seriously wrong with me, luvvies.
You lot, on the other hand...
Neil
PS And now Una says she's trying to be nice to me. Whatever she's after,
she won't get it.
"The only good alien is a dead alien" - Ursula LeGuin
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Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 19:34:19 -0000
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Capchered agane
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Kerry wrote:
> The Molesworth books seem very English to me so that I can't imagine that
> anyone brought up in a non-English background would appreciate the suptle
> humer.
I can well believe that. I was only going to write the one sample but Una
Joanne Julia ect kept beging for more so I felt compeled to oblige.
Judith's already asked if she can include those already posted in her next
zine, and I've said yes, so if I do any more they'll probably go direct to
her rather than to the Lyst. I suspect there are more than a few lurkers
who would rather not hear more about the tribulashuns of being a whizzo
computer feend.
Anyway they're a bugger to write so I almost welcome an excuse not to do any
more.
Neil
"The only good alien is a dead alien" - Ursula LeGuin
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Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 14:20:37 PST
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] History
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Una wrote:
<I think you've just made the point that I was making:
Avon doesn't do these things because he's tussling in
his mind over the rights and wrongs of resistance, the
limits of his personal authority, and whether he has
the right to fight - he does these things because he
decides they're the best way for him to survive.>
Agreed. And to protect the few people who are important
to him. I wouldn't like to have to estimate how many of
the great possibly-washed he'd be prepared to sacrifice
to protect the Liberator/Scorpio crews, let alone the
few he likes, let *alone* Anna or Blake...
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Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 14:31:02 PST
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [B7L] History
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Mistral wrote:
<From Spacefall to Star One, mostly what we hear from him
strikes me more as vendetta.>
Like to give examples? I'm not saying you're wrong, but since
I didn't hear it, I'd like the chance to consider it.
<Plus, of course, I don't in the least admire making
decisions on behalf of other people you're not responsible
for. Whether Avon avoids that particular gaffe because of self-restraint or
selfishness makes very little difference
to me.>
<grin> Sorry, but IMO he actually *only* avoids it because
someone keeps stopping him. Being the selfish (if adorable)
bastard he is, he is more than prepared to make decisions
directly affecting masses of people without even *thinking*
about them...
Pressure Point - faced with exactly (as far as he and we
know) the same results as will later come of Star One,
he is ostensibly interested in just one point - will the
destruction of Control and the ensuing revolt/civil war
get him what he wants - the Liberator (of course, being
a sentimental softy, I also think he agrees because Blake
is going, but it doesn't change the main point - the effect
of his actions on the hoi polloi interest him about as
much as watching paint peel.)
Killer and the plague warning - yes, he stopped when Blake
put his foot down (I've yet to decide if that's because he
knew Blake would never agree, or because he *did*, when
made to think about it, accept the point that risking
galaxy-wide plague was a little drastic to get rid of one
Supreme Commander) but had Blake *not* been there, Avon
would IMO have let the Federation land without a qualm,
without even considering the consequences for anyone but
himself and his own.
The Keeper - less of a real example, since his suggestion
of controlling Star One is half-hearted (I don't think he
means it at all), but his phraseology is quite interesting
as a pointer to how he thinks of it - not "we could change
/defeat the Federation" but "we could *control*
everything. The Federation could belong to us." And what
is control but making decisions on behalf of others..?
Star One - as I've said before, IMO Avon is genuinely all
for the destruction. He doesn't give a damn who out there
gets hurt, as long as he gets what *he* thinks he wants
(freedom from 'it'/Blake/whatever. And the Liberator.)
Children of Auron - a whole world, Cally's world, is dying,
but he has to be forcibly shoved into putting it above his
own plans (as Julia said, a decision to *not* act is still
a decision.)
Rumours - he lets Servalan go, again putting his own wants
first and not caring what effect that might or might not
have on the coup he's stumbled into.
Traitor - you wrote <his decision at Helotrix that getting
information that might protect both Scorpio's crew and many
other planets was more important than getting involved in
the fight for Helotrix..> I agree that he wanted to
protect the Scorpio crew, but I didn't see any sign that
'many other planets' even entered his thinking during the
whole episode. What *did* was that the expansion of the
Federation, and the annexation of those planets, might
prove a danger to Xenon base (himself and his own again)
and against *that* danger, he was prepared to sacrifice
any number of the population.
Perhaps you can claim that Avon is not making these choices
*on behalf* of people so much as *about* them, but again
I think that's a semantical argument (one that the said
people might not appreciate the finer points of <g>).
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Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 23:27:21 +0000
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: b7 <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Capchered agane
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In message <000301bf6775$aa413d20$e535fea9@neilfaulkner>, Neil Faulkner
<N.Faulkner@tesco.net> writes
>Anyway they're a bugger to write so I almost welcome an excuse not to do any
>more.
Now where did I put that whip...
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 00:31:42 -0000
From: "Angua" <angua@viper244.demon.co.uk>
To: "Blake's 7 Lysator List" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] The Strangerers/Paul Darrow
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The February Sky magazine has a three page article about the Strangerers, their
new SF series which features Paul Darrow. There is a tiny thumbnail picture of
Paul, who appears to be sporting several sticking plasters on his nose. The
caption reads :
Seedy Man
(Paul Darrow)
The dodgiest receptionist you're ever likely to meet. His hotel is the perfect
cover for the aliens when they need a place to stay.
The series starts on Tuesday February 15th on Sky One. The website also seems to
have some content now, lots of animated things and stuff :
http://www.sky.co.uk/strangerers/
I'll try and scan the pic if anyone is interested in seeing it, but it's very
dark and indistinct *grumble*. Oh, and I believe the series is featured in this
month's Dreamwatch magazine too.
Cheers,
Louise
http://starriders.net - Babylon 5 & Crusade, Blake's 7, SF cult tv and movies,
free graphics, and more
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Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 20:41:57 -0700
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re:Avon&the masses (was history)
Message-ID: <20000125.204202.12070.0.Rilliara@juno.com>
>Killer and the plague warning
Avon's attitude toward disease is, to say the least, interesting. Add
this to his response earlier in the ep where he never cares about being
infected, and it gets almost eerie.
>Children of Auron - a whole world, Cally's world, is dying,
>but he has to be forcibly shoved into putting it above his
>own plans (as Julia said, a decision to *not* act is still
>a decision.)
>
This episode has some real odd points when you think about it. Avon has
let the Anna issue sit on the back burner for a couple years or more
(don't tell me it took him this long to dig up the official cover story
on Anna's death). Then, suddenly, this is all he can concentrate on.
Rather than try to unravel that twisted psyche, let me point out one
thing: he was right. He only had a little time. If Orac had him wait five
minutes longer, he might have missed the boat entirely.
It makes me wonder if, on some unconscious level, he didn't know more
about what was going on than he usually does. How still eludes me, but
the coincidence level is pretty high.
That aside, I think Avon discounted a lot of what Cally told him she was
getting from Zelda. Although he doesn't say it, he could have plenty of
reasons for being wary. Zelda could be lying. Cally (who has mistaken
_one_ rock for _both_ her parents) might be deceived about who she's
getting messages from. Also, Cally's warning is a little unclear.
"They're all dying" does not necessarily mean everyone on the planet.
Granted, Zelda probably wouldn't be contacting Cally over all this
distance if her rhododendrons had mildew, but you can never tell with
some people.
Short of a planetary crisis, Zelda seems to be _witnessing_ a dangerous
situation (she never says _we're_ dying) that Auron should be able to
handle on a local level, since Auron's technology seemed largely on par
with the Federation's. Other Aurons can get there faster than a ship
light years away, etc.
In fact, disease seems to have been Auron's Achilles heel (having
successfully protected themselves from most offworld disease, the Auron
government promptly cut all related medical budgets and cut the spaceport
decontamination procedures to the bone to save tax dollars). For almost
any other problem, Liberator could have done next to nothing compared to
what Auron could be expected to do for itself.
Ellynne
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Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 03:09:23 EST
From: Mac4781@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se, freedom-city@blakes-7.org
Subject: [B7L] News from Horizon
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The following news is just in from Horizon:
Steven Pacey is playing the part of Basil Hallward in 'The Picture of Dorian
Gray' this Sunday (30th January) on Radio 4 at 3pm.
It is a two part play with part two on the following week (Sunday 6th
February). It is also repeated on Saturday 5th February at 9pm with part two
being repeated on Saturday 12th February.
Carol Mc
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Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 18:27:08 +0000 (GMT)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
cc: Freedom City <freedom-city@blakes-7.org>
Subject: [B7L] theme music CD
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I work as a volunteer in an Oxfam shop, and we just had donated a CD of theme
music from 20 popular SF shows. One of those is a version of the B7 theme
(fairly disco in style).
first person to offer 6 pounds plus postage gets it (all money bar postage goes
to Oxfam) I can take dollars in cash.
Please reply to me off-list as I'm not currently subscribed.
Judith
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