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blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 249
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L] recasting (was Coltrane) [ Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@comp ]
Re: [B7L] Join the Q [ "Dana Shilling" <dshilling@worldnet ]
Re: [B7L] Why Not Blake II? [ "Doraleen McArthur" <d.mcarthur@wor ]
Re: [B7L] Mail [ "Doraleen McArthur" <d.mcarthur@wor ]
[B7L] CreditQuest [ "Dana Shilling" <dshilling@worldnet ]
[B7L] Re:honesty & Avon [ Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net> ]
Re: [B7L] CreditQuest [ "Alison Page" <alison@alisonpage.de ]
Re: [B7L] Join the Q [ "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.con ]
Re: [B7L] CreditQuest [ Tavia Chalcraft <tavia@btinternet.c ]
Re: [B7L] Re:honesty & Avon [ Tavia Chalcraft <tavia@btinternet.c ]
Re: [B7L] Why Not Blake II? [ Ika <blake@gaudaprime.co.uk> ]
Re: [B7L] casting, recasting etc. [ "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.n ]
Re: [B7L] CreditQuest [ Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones. ]
[B7L] caption contest [ Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com ]
Re: [B7L] Re:honesty & Avon [ B7Morrigan@aol.com ]
Re: [B7L] Re:honesty & Avon [ Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones. ]
RE: [B7L] recasting (was Coltrane) [ nyder@moore.britishlibrary.net ]
Re: [B7L] Why Not Blake II? [ "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.co ]
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Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 17:56:25 -0400
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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Jessica admitted:
>very well, you too are a genius.
Makes it all seem worthwhile somehow.
Harriet
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Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 18:28:36 -0400
From: "Dana Shilling" <dshilling@worldnet.att.net>
To: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>,
"B7 List" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Join the Q
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In response to various Q discussants:
>
> I could envisage doing a Q study using statements like: 'I like stories
> which are about polictical activism'; 'I like science fiction'; 'I like
> fantasy'; 'I like dystopic fiction'; 'I like character-driven stories'; 'I
> like romance fiction' etc. etc., but I don't think that would quite do
what
> Alison was after, which would indeed involve industrial strength
statistics
> and, as Garak says about all suicide missions, is well outside my field of
> expertise.
However B7 is, perhaps, atypical of fandom, because there are Avon fans
who are not necessarily science fiction, fantasy, dystopian, or indeed even
B7 fans.
>
> > Perhaps we could arrange a grant.
With your luck it would turn out to be an Anna Grant--
i.e., initial bliss leads you to do things you'd otherwise
regret; it disappears; and returns years later to ruin
your life.
-(Y)
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Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 16:37:46 -0400
From: "Doraleen McArthur" <d.mcarthur@worldnet.att.net>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Why Not Blake II?
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From: Ika <blake@gaudaprime.co.uk>
> Oh, I *really* like this way of looking at it - thanks - it's that
interplay
> between manipulation and sincerity that fascinates me about Blake...
Me Too.
> I am wearing a new jumper that makes me look like Blake, btw, only smaller
and
> with pink hair. It only cost 33p.
I'm picturing Blake with pink hair. It's, umm, difficult. Let's see.
No... no... oh, God, now I can see it except he's got a clown suit on. He's
losing the battle to maintain his dignity...
--Katie
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Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 16:41:50 -0400
From: "Doraleen McArthur" <d.mcarthur@worldnet.att.net>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Mail
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From: Wendy S. Penberriss <penberriss@yahoo.com>
> Can anybody tell me how to suspend the list for short
> periods, without actually unsubscribing? I went away
> for a week and I had a HUNDRED emails in my inbox!
You could get it in digest form if there isn't a space issue - then
you'll have fewer, larger messages. Doesn't clutter up the inbox as badly.
--Katie
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Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 21:55:09 -0400
From: "Dana Shilling" <dshilling@worldnet.att.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] CreditQuest
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I know (although I haven't read it) that there's a
zine called VemQuest that takes off from the
question of whether a Vem is a lot of money.
What about the credit--I assume that it's
a quid, give or take a bit. (But that would
make a "ten credit touch" unrealistically
iinexpensive.)
Are there smaller units (i.e., would a newspaper
be a quarter-credit, twenty=five centicredits--or, for that
matter, free and compulsory, like the TV screens
in 1984?) Do people pay for everything with
credit or debit cards, or is there cash?
Do people get paid a salary, or do they just work
and get issued whatever the Federation deems is
suitable for their Grade? What would be a typical
Alpha, Beta, etc. salary?
I mean, five million credits just doesn't seem like
enough money to go through all that trouble for...
-(Y)
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Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 21:53:47 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re:honesty & Avon
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>
> Judging him by some of the INT scientists on this list - all of them at
> once. (yes, I include myself in that remark, I'm not embarrassing the
> others by mentioning names).
> --
I agree, Julia. (Although, does *liking* and reading up on science
qualify me to reply to this? I'm an INT clerk/artist-- I know, I'm in
the wrong field. But I can't get a science degree through a
correspondence course.) Oh, and on the 'morality of deception'-- someone
seemed to get very huffy when I said a person is partly responsible for
making the wrong assumptions if you don't lie-- on my own behalf, a
typical use of deception on my part is keeping somone from knowing what
their birthday present is in spite of strong hinting. I don't think of
that as a moral issue at all.
Many of Avon's deceptions are basically immoral, most obviously his
embezzlement scheme. However, I don't find it difficult to believe that
he would find it easier on his conscience to tell Blake he was going
down to a planet to take a look around than to say he was going to scout
out the military base defenses if the *full* truth was that he was
goingdown in order to take a look around *at potential career
alternatives*. One is a lie, the other is as much truth as he wants to
give. If Blake thinks Avon is taking a look into something that will
benefit the rebellion, Blake jumped to conclusions on his own. More
likely, Gan would say that it's nice that Avon's scouting around and
Blake will say, "I hope we hear back from him; he doesn't have much in
the way of personal belongings to come back for."
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Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 08:23:17 +0100
From: "Alison Page" <alison@alisonpage.demon.co.uk>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] CreditQuest
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Dana said -
>What about the credit--I assume that it's
>a quid, give or take a bit. (But that would
>make a "ten credit touch" unrealistically
>iinexpensive.)
Unrealistically inexpensive? In 1979 that was the top end of the market :-)
'Ten quid for a shag? There's posh'
>I mean, five million credits just doesn't seem like
>enough money to go through all that trouble for...
reminds me of Austin Powers
Alison
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Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 08:53:55 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: "B7 List" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Join the Q
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Dana:
> In response to various Q discussants:
> >
> > I could envisage doing a Q study using statements like: 'I like stories
> > which are about polictical activism'; 'I like science fiction'; 'I like
> > fantasy'; 'I like dystopic fiction'; 'I like character-driven stories';
'I
> > like romance fiction' etc. etc., but I don't think that would quite do
> what
> > Alison was after, which would indeed involve industrial strength
> statistics
> > and, as Garak says about all suicide missions, is well outside my field
of
> > expertise.
> However B7 is, perhaps, atypical of fandom, because there are Avon fans
> who are not necessarily science fiction, fantasy, dystopian, or indeed
even
> B7 fans.
Interesting one - something you'd need to capture at the statement
development stage.
> > > Perhaps we could arrange a grant.
> With your luck it would turn out to be an Anna Grant--
> i.e., initial bliss leads you to do things you'd otherwise
> regret; it disappears; and returns years later to ruin
> your life.
<Head in hands> I know, I know.
Una
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Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 11:33:50 +0100
From: Tavia Chalcraft <tavia@btinternet.com>
To: 'Lysator mailing list' <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] CreditQuest
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Dana wrote:
>What about the credit--I assume that it's
>a quid, give or take a bit.
I had assumed the exchange rate would be closer to 1 Federation credit = 5
sterling pounds.
>(But that would
>make a "ten credit touch" unrealistically
>iinexpensive.)
Which makes sense for these prices here/now-abouts, though I can't say it's
an issue I paid much attention to back in 1978.
>Do people pay for everything with
>credit or debit cards, or is there cash?
I speculate cash would have entirely disappeared on hi-tech worlds in
favour of an electronic system. After all, that's practically already
happened. I have an awful tendency to look in my wallet, find a bunch of
cards, the sterling equivalent of precisely nada, and about sterling
equivalent 50 pounds in both swiss francs and US dollars -- on grounds I
only really need cash for taxis and I only take taxis when I'm not at home.
The Federation equivalent for my habit might well be carrying round some
gold/uncut gems (/drugs?) etc as the universal cash equivalent.
>or, for that
>matter, free and compulsory, like the TV screens
> in 1984?)
I assume news by e-mail, or similar (again nearly currently true). Hence
free and possibly compulsory.
Tavia (de-lurking after around 5 years; hello everyone!)
-- When the fire and the rose are one
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Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 14:30:45 +0100
From: Tavia Chalcraft <tavia@btinternet.com>
To: 'Lysator mailing list' <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re:honesty & Avon
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Julia wrote:
>Judging him by some of the INT scientists on this list - all of them at
>once. (yes, I include myself in that remark, I'm not embarrassing the
>others by mentioning names).
An awful lot of people's jobs turn out to involve (or even comprise) making
factually accurate, legally verifiable statements that nevertheless are
wholly and intentionally misleading (cynical musings of an INTJ
ex-scientist ).
Tavia
--When the fire and the rose are one
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Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 16:22:47 GMT
From: Ika <blake@gaudaprime.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Why Not Blake II?
Message-Id: <200009031522.QAA12647@smtp.uk2net.com>
Me/Katie:
> > I am wearing a new jumper that makes me look like Blake, btw, only smaller
> and
> > with pink hair. It only cost 33p.
>
> I'm picturing Blake with pink hair. It's, umm, difficult. Let's see.
> No... no... oh, God, now I can see it except he's got a clown suit on. He's
> losing the battle to maintain his dignity...
>
This thread has got way away from the subject line, but I'm starting to think
I've inadvertently answered the original question: Because Blake II might have
pink hair.
Thanks for 5 solid minutes of laughter at the thought of Uncle B in his clown
suit. (Hmm... am starting to think of one of those stories where they have to
dress a certain way to fit in with "local customs" - better stop there...)
Love,
Ika
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Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 18:07:24 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] casting, recasting etc.
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From: Russ Massey <russ@wriding.demon.co.uk>
> Faulkner <N.Faulkner@tesco.net> writes
> >
> >Considering my DVD collection <snip>
> The only one there which slightly surprises me in 'Starship Troopers'.
> Obviously you appreciate the ironic subversion of the original's 'war
> brings out mans finest qualities', but why this film over Blade Runner
> or Aliens?
Gizza chance, I've only just started buying the things. Bladerunner is a
high profile contender for Best SF Movie Ever Made, but I've seen it so many
times it's not a high priority purchase. Aliens is also pretty good, but I
don't think the reactionary elements are meant to be ironic. Fortunately
they're only a small part of the larger Vietnam Action War Feminist Bug-eyed
Monster slugfest.
Actually my most-watched disc is Walking With Dinosaurs. Given the large
amount of gueswork inevitable in something like that, I suppose you could
call it SF of a kind...
Neil
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Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 18:48:42 +0100
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: b7 <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] CreditQuest
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In message <001701c0154a$009fa6c0$b1684e0c@dshilling>, Dana Shilling
<dshilling@worldnet.att.net> writes
>What about the credit--I assume that it's
>a quid, give or take a bit. (But that would
>make a "ten credit touch" unrealistically
>iinexpensive.)
A quid was worth more twenty years ago than it is now. Although whether
the price of that which has a price of ten credits would have been
considered cheap at ten quid in 1979 is another matter.
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 18:41:08 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Cc: Freedom City <freedom-city@blakes-7.org>
Subject: [B7L] caption contest
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We've just put up a new picture for the caption contest.
http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7
See what inspired Richard to come up with: "The hills are alive with the sound
of music" as a caption!
Judith
--
http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs,
pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth
Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.knightwriter.org )
Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/
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Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 16:24:56 EDT
From: B7Morrigan@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re:honesty & Avon
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> Julia wrote:
> >Judging him by some of the INT scientists on this list - all of them at
> >once. (yes, I include myself in that remark, I'm not embarrassing the
> >others by mentioning names).
>
Tavia added:
> An awful lot of people's jobs turn out to involve (or even comprise)
making
> factually accurate, legally verifiable statements that nevertheless are
> wholly and intentionally misleading (cynical musings of an INTJ
> ex-scientist ).
>
And some of INTx folks who are not scientists put the talent to use when
writing performance appraisals of subordinates <g> or tabulating their own
boss's accomplishments.
Morrigan
the corporate staff warrior
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Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 18:52:40 +0100
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re:honesty & Avon
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In message <39B1D95B.46B7@jps.net>, Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
writes
>I agree, Julia. (Although, does *liking* and reading up on science
>qualify me to reply to this? I'm an INT clerk/artist-- I know, I'm in
>the wrong field. But I can't get a science degree through a
>correspondence course.)
Wandering off-topic - you can get a science degree though a
correspondence course, although you do have to go to summer school for a
lot of the courses. The Open University offers a BSc course, and
although it's a lot more difficult (and expensive) for people leaving
outside Britain, it's not impossible.
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 10:47 +0100
From: nyder@moore.britishlibrary.net
To: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>,
blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: RE: [B7L] recasting (was Coltrane)
Message-Id: <20000903215332.47B05F918B@chalfont.mail.uk.easynet.net>
Julia:
>In message <200008291010_MC2-B166-FA00@compuserve.com>, Harriet
>Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> writes
>>This may have had something to do with a
>>throwaway remark at Who's 7 in October 1996, when Paul Darrow mentioned
>>that they'd once discussed what nationalities the various characters were,
>>and decided Avon was South African.
>
>I didn't hear that conversation, but I've still used Avon as white South
>African to build a background for him in a work-in-progress (because I
Recommended on that score, IF you can get hold of it: the film "The Wilby Conspiracy," with Sydney Poitier as an anti-apartheid activist forced into an unlikely alliance with Michael Caine as a mining engineer and Saeed Jeffrey as a Marxist intellectual.
Fiona
http://redrival.com/nyder/indexx.html
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Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 08:01:38 EST
From: "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Why Not Blake II?
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>From: Ika <blake@gaudaprime.co.uk>
>(Hmm... am starting to think of one of those stories where they have to
>dress a certain way to fit in with "local customs"
I think you've just explained Egrorian's hairstyle to me!
Regards
Joanne
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