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blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 25
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L] Remove
[B7L] Gareth Interview
Re: [B7L] Gareth Interview
[B7L] Strangerers
[B7L] Fan Q eligibles
Re: [B7L] History
Motivations and Justifications (was Re: [B7L] History)
Re: [B7L] Re:Avon&the masses (was history)
[B7L] Fab cafe on January 29
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Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 10:47:52 -0000
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
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Julia wrote:
> I genuinely am somewhat curious as to what he thought he'd find.
> Remember the one that wandered in, and wandered out complaining because
> the list wasted his time with discussions about the series instead of
> being just postings telling him where to buy merchandise?
I think it ties in with the discussion we had last autumn about different
types of fan ('Mad Hatters' and 'Dormice', for want of better terms). There
are people to whom B7 is just one - minor albeit important - area of
interest, and that interest is pitched firmly at the series itself, not
straying beyond it. Then there are others to whom (grammar) the series is a
launchpad for a broader kind of social contact. Naturally the Lyst is more
for the latter type (witness the banter between Iain and Una yesterday). The
series is not forgotten, but it is not so much the focus of interest as a
centre point around which everything else revolves. (Not just in cyberspace
either - veteran con goers will know that con bar conversation is likely to
be about *anything but* B7.)
Neil
"The only good alien is a dead alien" - Ursula LeGuin
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Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 21:48:49 +0000 (GMT)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
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Subject: [B7L] Gareth Interview
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There's an interview with Gareth Thomas on
http://www.Scotsman.com/taf/theatre.taf but it probably won't be there for long,
so look fast. It's quite a good one.
Judith (still off-list)
--
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pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth
Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.nas.com/~lknight )
Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/
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Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 22:33:31 +0000
From: Julia Jones <julia.jones@jajones.demon.co.uk>
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In message <Marcel-1.46-0126214849-c72Rr9i@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>, Judith
Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk> writes
>There's an interview with Gareth Thomas on
>http://www.Scotsman.com/taf/theatre.taf but it probably won't be there for long,
>so look fast. It's quite a good one.
I see the fen get a mention... standard journalist "oooh, freaks..."
(yes, Steve, I know not all journos are the spawn of Satan:-)
Good interview, though - I second the motion, go look at it.
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 23:56:18 +0000
From: Steve Rogerson <steve.rogerson@mcr1.poptel.org.uk>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>, Freedom City <freedom-city@blakes-7.org>
Subject: [B7L] Strangerers
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The Strangerers web site has had a complete makeover since I last
mentioned it. The site address is:
http://www.sky.co.uk/strangerers
And it kicks off at 9pm on Tuesday 15 February on Sky One.
--
cheers
Steve Rogerson
http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson
"In my world, there are people in chains and you can ride them like
ponies"
The alternative Willow, Buffy the Vampire Slayer
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Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 21:59:23 -0800
From: "Sarah Thompson" <sthompson162@mindspring.com>
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Subject: [B7L] Fan Q eligibles
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Here's everything that I know of that is eligible for a gen B7 Fan Q this
year. If anyone knows of anything else, please let us all know.
Judith, or anyone else interested, feel free to post the info on a website.
The deadline for nominations is February 28. There should be full info on
the awards at the MediaWest Con website:
http://members.ao.com/MdiaWstCon/mwc.htm
We need plenty of nominations in various different categories in order for
B7 to get its own category in the awards. Otherwise we are likely to find
the B7 material in something like a general science fiction category, which
of course
means that it is almost impossible for a B7 zine to win anything when
competing with, for instance, Star Wars zines.
There is lots of good stuff this year, and fortunately we don't have to make
any decisions yet. Just nominate everything you like-- that's what I'll be
doing, anyway. Also, remember that everything must have something to run
against to make the final ballot; so even if you have a clear favorite, you
should nominate at least one other thing in the same category.
I think it is a little odd to count the adult stories as "gen," but those
are the Fan Q rules. For anyone who wonders why Nickie Barnard's excellent
story from =Pressure Point= isn't here-- because I decided that according to
the rules, it's slash, and so it's on the slash list that I will post to
Freedom City (and to anyone not on that list who wants it, if you e-mail me
privately).
Sarah T.
B7 material eligible for 2000 Fan-Qs
Gen and het adult
[Reprinted stories, listed in brackets, are not eligible for
awards but are included for the sake of completeness.]
Artists
Bernice Cuffe (CHRONICLES #64)
Fiona Ellem (CHRONICLES #64)
Pat Fenech (photo montages in RITES OF PASSAGE)
Mary O'Connor (THE QUIBELL ABDUCTION [new cover art])
Val Westall (ALL CHANGE, RENAISSANCE, RITES OF PASSAGE, VEMQUEST)
Andrew Williams (CHRONICLES #64)
J. T. Johnson (S.L.Y.G.O.)
Kamael Heru Er (S.L.Y.G.O.)
Poems and filks
Kathryn Andersen, "Haunting" (A), REFRACTIONS #6 (mm; AU,
1999.4)
Garnet, "Shadows" (S4, post-Orbit; gen A-V), DARK FANTASIES
#6 (mm; US, 1999.10) [Note: the zine is mostly slash and adult,
but this poem is gen.]
Stories, by author
The Aitchison Family, "Friend or Foe" (competition entry;
S2; SW crossover, Han Solo on Liberator), AVON NEWSLETTER #73
(UK, 1999.11)
Chris Blenkarn, "Diary of a Rebel Somebody" ("with apologies
to Diary of a Nobody by George and Weeedon Grossmith;" S1, Cygnus
Alpha; B; humor), PRESSURE POINT (UK, 1999)
Helen Brunton, "Destroying the Evidence" (script; S1;
humor), PRESSURE POINT (UK, 1999)
Susan Cutter, "Zipper" (adult; S2; J/V), SOUTHERN COMFORT
#10.5 (US, 1999.5)
Susan Cutter, "Traitor to the Cause" (S2, alt-pre-Keeper),
PRESSURE POINT (UK, 1999)
Marian de Haan, "A Time for Goodwill" (S1, alt-Cygnus Alpha;
A-J; Christmas story), AVON NEWSLETTER #73 (UK, 1999.11)
Pat Fenech, "The Edge of Memory" (S1, The Way Back; B),
CHRONICLES #64 (AU, 1999.8)
Pat Fenech, "Under a Dark Star Sail" (S1, The Way Back-
Spacefall; A-B), RITES OF PASSAGE (AU, 1999)
Pat Fenech, "Remember Me" (S4 - S2, post-Voice; A-B), RITES
OF PASSAGE (AU, 1999)
Alicia Ann Fox, "Xenogamy" (adult; S2; ST Voyager crossover;
A/B'Elanna), SOUTHERN COMFORT #11.5 (US, 1999.5)
Alison Glover, "Escape Velocity" (S0; Ta), CHRONICLES #64
(AU, 1999.8)
Viv Gover, "Only a Mutoid" (S1, post-SLD; A), AVON
NEWSLETTER #73 (UK, 1999.11)
Edwina Harvey, "Legends Don't Die" (S5, long after GP),
CHRONICLES #64 (AU, 1999.8)
Carrie Hewlett, "Friend or Foe" (competition entry; S3; B5
crossover, Lennier on Liberator), AVON NEWSLETTER #73 (UK,
1999.11)
[Yvonne S. Hintz, "Torture for Torture" (S2; Se-ocm;
reprinted from CENTERO #27 [apa; AU, 1988.1]), CHRONICLES #64
(AU, 1999.8)]
Pat Jacquerie, Lexa Reiss, and Erika Bloom, "Outcast of
Auron" (adult; S3; A/ocf, uc C/Ta, A/C), SOUTHERN COMFORT #10.5
(US, 1999.5)
Christine Lacey, "Drug-Induced Tranquility" (S1), PRESSURE
POINT (UK, 1999)
Bryn Lantry, "The Thirteenth Hour" (S5; A-B), RITES OF
PASSAGE (AU, 1999)
[STANDARD BY SEVEN SPECIAL #1: Deadly Night Shades (story
by Gillian Marsden; S4; Ta/ocf, A-So, uc A/Se; UK, 1982);
reprinted in MILLENIUM SPECIAL (UK, 1999)]
[THE CHAMELEONS (novella by Gillian Marsden; S5; A/ocf, A-
Ta; UK, 1985); reprinted in MILLENIUM SPECIAL (UK, 1999)]
Marian Mendez, "Flattery" (S2, alt-post-Pressure Point;
A/ocf; humor), PRESSURE POINT (UK, 1999)
Marian Mendez, "Dupe" (S5; B-A-V), PRESSURE POINT (UK, 1999)
Ana Morgan, "After Olympus" (S5; A/Se, Meegat, V),
CHRONICLES #64 (AU, 1999.8)
Ana Morgan, "Lazarus Entombed" (S3, Rumours - S0; A/Anna),
RITES OF PASSAGE (AU, 1999)
Jenni O'Connell, "Becoming" (S0 - S1, Spacefall; Zen),
PRESSURE POINT (UK, 1999)
Judith Proctor, "Revenge's Child" (S5, long after GP; So),
CHRONICLES #64 (AU; 1999.8)
Judith Proctor, "Rebel Quartet" (competition entry; S2; How
Green Was My Valley/ Knights of God/ Merlin: The Magic Begins
crossover, characters played by GT on Liberator; humor), AVON
NEWSLETTER #73 (UK, 1999.11)
Gillian Puddle, "Hologrammatic Nightmare" (competition
runner up; S2; RD crossover, Rimmer on Liberator; humor), AVON
NEWSLETTER #72 (nl; UK, 1999.5)
Gillian Puddle, "Light Comes in the Morning" (S3,
Sarcophagus; A-C), AVON NEWSLETTER #72 (nl; UK, 1999.5)
Steve Rogerson, "Under Control" (adult; S2, post-Pressure
Point; G/Se), DARK FANTASIES #6 (mm; US, 1999.10)
[Leah Rosenthal and Ann Wortham, "Taken In" (adult; A/J),
BLAKE'S SEVEN: THE OTHER SIDE #3 (AU, 1987); revised and
reprinted in STRAIGHT BLAKE'S #2 (US, 1995) and (credited to
Catocala) in SOUTHERN COMFORT #11.5 (US, 1999.5)]
Willa Shakespeare, "It's Snow Wonder" (adult; S4, Rescue; A-
O, implied C/Ta; humor), SOUTHERN COMFORT #10.5 (US, 1999.5)
Willa Shakespeare, "The House of Judgement" (adapted from
Oscar Wilde, Poems in Prose; A), SOUTHERN COMFORT #10.5 (US,
1999.5)
Natalie Smith (age 10) and Paul Smith (age 9), "Twikki
Visits the Liberator" (competition entry; S2; humor), AVON
NEWSLETTER #73 (UK, 1999.11)
Sarah Vernon, "Have We Met Before" (competition entry; S3;
DW crossover, DW6 on Liberator), AVON NEWSLETTER #73 (UK,
1999.11)
Ros Williams, "Friend or Foe" (competition entry; S3; ST
crossover, Kirk on Liberator; humor), AVON NEWSLETTER #73 (UK,
1999.11)
Georgina Woodcock, "Friend or Foe" (competition winner; S1;
B5 crossover, G'Kar on Liberator; humor), AVON NEWSLETTER #72
(nl; UK, 1999.5)
Georgina Woodcock, "Complaints of the Season" (S2, post-
Hostage; New Year story), AVON NEWSLETTER #73 (UK, 1999.11)
Nonfiction zines
AVON NEWSLETTER #72 (includes some short fiction; UK, 1999.5)
AVON NEWSLETTER #73 (includes some short fiction; UK, 1999.11)
Standalone zines (not including reprints)
ALL CHANGE: A Blake's 7 Audio Play (script by Judith
Proctor; S4; UK, 1999)
AVON #17: Full Circle (story by Penny Kjelgaard; S5; UK,
1999)
RENAISSANCE (two linked stories by Diane L. Holland:
"Chiaroscuro" [Renaissance AU; A-B-V] and "Purgatorio" [sequel to
"Chiaroscuro;" Renaissance AU; A-B-V]; UK, 1999.1)
S.L.Y.G.O. (novella by Jann Tarrant Johnson; S0-S5; Ta; NZ,
1999)
VEMQUEST (A Space City Round Robin [story], from an idea by
Deborah Rose; by Deborah Rose, Kat W., Alicia Ann Fox, Susan
Beth, Harriet Monkhouse, Pat Jacquerie, Margaret Sampson, Helen
Patrick, Jackie, Kassandra West, Carolyn, Hanneke, Cami, Twisted
Sister, Patti McClellan, Calle Dybedahl, Alison Page, Susan M.,
Fifitrix, Jenni; S4, Assassin; real world and multimedia
crossover; humor; UK, 1999.1)
Anthology zines
CHRONICLES #64 (AU, 1999)
[PRESSURE POINT (UK, 1999)-- technically eligible, but the editor
asks that it not be nominated]
RITES OF PASSAGE (AU, 1999)
Multimedia gen zines with B7 material
REFRACTIONS #6 (B7 poetry only; AU, 1999.4)
PROFESSIONAL HILARITY (humor; DE, 1999)
[Reprint zines, just for reference-- not eligible for awards,
except for new art, or possibly a general "best zine" for
layout:]
COLLECTED TALES FROM THE REBEL'S RETURN (reprint of B7 zine
TALES FROM THE REBEL'S RETURN [UK, 1981?], plus non-B7 stories
reprinted from ENIGMA; UK, 1999)
MILLENIUM SPECIAL (reprint of novella and story by Gillian
Marsden, THE CHAMELEONS [UK, 1985] and Deadly Night Shades [UK,
1983]; UK, 1999)
THE QUIBELL ABDUCTION (novella by Lillian Shepherd; UK,
1980.7; second edition: UK, 1999)
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Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 09:09:21 +0000
From: Una McCormack <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] History
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Iain Coleman wrote:
>
> On Tue, 25 Jan 2000, Una McCormack wrote:
>
> > Iain Coleman wrote:
>
> > > Repeat fees, my dear, repeat fees. How do you think I fund my millionaire
> > > playboy lifestyle?
> >
> > I thought you did that by being one of the Spice Girls.
> >
>
> _All_ of the Spice Girls.
Hmm, by day, Iain Coleman is a mild-mannered physicist tampering with
the forces of life itself, by night - Uber Spice.
It figures.
Una
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Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 09:50:59 -0800
From: mistral@ptinet.net
To: B7 List <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Motivations and Justifications (was Re: [B7L] History)
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Sally Manton wrote:
> Mistral wrote:
> <From Spacefall to Star One, mostly what we hear from him
> strikes me more as vendetta.>
>
> Like to give examples? I'm not saying you're wrong, but since
> I didn't hear it, I'd like the chance to consider it.
Hmm. That's a tough one, because the reason I said 'strikes me'
is because it's mostly subjective on my part; you know, more in
the tone of voice, and the emphasis of particular words; in things
not said as much as said. In fact, it makes me wish sometimes
that I knew what was in Gareth Thomas's head when he was
voicing the dialogue. But since you ask, I'll try to illustrate what
gives me the impression.
His attitude is more "me against them" than "us against them".
Ex: 'I intend to see that heart torn out' (Spacefall); 'I will destroy
it if I can' (Duel); and the one that really bugs me 'it's the only
way I can be sure that I was right' (Star One). There are several
more similar examples that point to this as a *personal* crusade.
And the emphasis is so often on the word *I*. He's much more
impassioned when talking about what the Federation did to *him*
('They butchered my family, my friends. They murdered my past
and gave me tranquilized dreams,' etc.) than he is when talking
about the way the Federation treats its citizens. That's perfectly
understandable, of course; but because of the tone, the former
sounds more like motivation, the latter like justification.
He doesn't coordinate his efforts with other rebels very often at
all, even though he's in an ideal position to coordinate a galaxy-
wide rebellion; but that would make it less personal and he'd
have to consider the needs and goals of others.
Another thing that points to it being personal is the number of
times he lets Travis and Servalan escape. He's more interested
in rubbing their noses in it than in good tactics. They're both
meaningful targets; Servalan's loss particularly would cause
some real disruption (no, it wouldn't bring the Federation down
*by itself*, but then neither would anything else they did) and
Travis was not only 'the best' Servalan had, he was a high-ranking
officer who had been known to order the deaths of citizens
unlawfully. The worst example of this is that Blake *should not*
under any circumstances have let Travis escape with the
knowledge that Star One's location was on Goth. But hurting
Travis's ego was more important than the rebellion, apparently.
The rights and wishes of others come entirely secondary to
his cause. He lays claim to the Liberator and its contents in the
name of his cause, even though Jenna and Avon surely ought to
have some say in the matter. His stated reason for rescuing the
others from Cygnus Alpha? 'I need a crew'. And when the others
don't jump at the chance to join up with him because they're
afraid for their lives if they go: 'You're pathetic. I should leave
you to rot. You want to live like slaves? Live or die at the whim
of a madman, then fine.But you're not taking me down with you.
I'm getting out. I'm better off without you.' He lies to his own
people (Cygnus Alpha, Pressure Point) and breaks his word to
them (Time Squad) to get them to do what he wants. And twice
in Time Squad we're told that anyone who doesn't want to join
in the fight can opt out. (Translation, courtesy Jenna and Gan:
be dropped off somewhere to be recaptured by the Feds.) And
his treatment of Sarkoff is *extremely* disturbing.
And then there's the System. The system has slaves, too. One of
them died to help him escape. Blake didn't see it happen, of course,
but the risk, at least, was apparent. If it's all about freedom and
oppression, why didn't he take the time to free the system's people?
Three planets would be a lot easier to free than the Federation.
Particularly as Orac had already damaged the system. But Blake
didn't even pause to think about whether the slave who helped him
was hurt, whether the damage to the system was severe enough
to compromise the safety of the humans on the station, etc., etc.
No, it's straight back to Earth sector without a backward glance.
Yes, the system isn't Blake's fight; but surely some compassion or
regret or a token blow for freedom in honor of the slave who aided
them is in order? So again, it seems Blake's grudge against the
Federation is personal.
*Note:* None of this qualifies as *proof* that Blake's motivations
are more personal than altruistic. But taken all together, it strikes
*me* as a pattern.
<snip>
> Perhaps you can claim that Avon is not making these choices
> *on behalf* of people so much as *about* them, but again
> I think that's a semantical argument (one that the said
> people might not appreciate the finer points of <g>).
Mm. Well, if I were one of the people, I would appreciate it.
Thing is, everything affects everything else. You can't make
any major decisions without affecting other people. But you
can resist the temptation to usurp others' rights to decide for
themselves. (And if someone else is violating their rights, and
they don't wish to fight back, that's their business, too.) Avon
mostly minds his own business unless asked; Blake jumps
right in whether he's wanted or not, when it suits him.
I do agree with you and Julia about taking no action *is* an
action. But sometimes, it's the *right* action.
Mistral
--
"Who do you serve? And who do you trust?"
--Galen, 'Crusade'
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Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 09:55:20 -0800
From: mistral@ptinet.net
To: B7 List <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re:Avon&the masses (was history)
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Ellynne G. wrote:
> >Children of Auron - a whole world, Cally's world, is dying,
> >but he has to be forcibly shoved into putting it above his
> >own plans (as Julia said, a decision to *not* act is still
> >a decision.)
> >
> This episode has some real odd points when you think about it. Avon has
> let the Anna issue sit on the back burner for a couple years or more
> (don't tell me it took him this long to dig up the official cover story
> on Anna's death). Then, suddenly, this is all he can concentrate on.
IMO, combination of two things. (1) First time he's been
in charge instead of Blake; (2) Guilt over not being able to
find Blake stirs up guilt over Anna's death.
> That aside, I think Avon discounted a lot of what Cally told him she was
> getting from Zelda. Although he doesn't say it, he could have plenty of
> reasons for being wary. Zelda could be lying.
He did say he suspected a trap. And he was right. You
remember the old saw about paranoia, yes?
Mistral
--
"Who do you serve? And who do you trust?"
--Galen, 'Crusade'
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Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 15:52:09 -0500
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: Freedom City <freedom-city@blakes-7.org>,
"Blake's 7 (Lysator)" <BLAKES7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Fab cafe on January 29
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Just to remind those in the Manchester area that some of us will be at the
Fab cafe on Portland Street (hordes of Tysonians permitting) on Saturday
from between six and seven until some time or other. Be there or be
somewhere else.
Harriet
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