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blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 259
Today's Topics:
RE: RE: [B7L] Horizon [ nyder@moore.britishlibrary.net ]
Re: [B7L] Re: To Heck or not to Heck [ "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl> ]
Re: [B7L] Vila's outfits [ "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl> ]
Re: [B7L] Vila's outfits [ Tigerm1019@aol.com ]
Re: [B7L] Horizon: [ "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.n ]
Re: [B7L] Vote B7 [was Re: BFI poll] [ "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.n ]
Re: [B7L] Awkward phrases [ "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.n ]
Re: FW: [B7L] Awkward phrases [ Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com ]
Re: [B7L] Re: To Heck or not to Heck [ "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.n ]
Re: FW: [B7L] Awkward phrases [ "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.con ]
Re: [B7L] Auron [ Betty Ragan <ragan@sdc.org> ]
[B7L] Gareth as Oberon [ Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com ]
Re: [B7L] Vila's outfits [ mistral@ptinet.net ]
[B7L] test - new addy [ mistral@centurytel.net ]
Re: [B7L] Vote B7 [was Re: BFI poll] [ "David Henderson" <David.Henderson@ ]
[B7L] Re: FC: 8 Hour Warning on rare [ Bizarro7@aol.com ]
Re: [B7L] Horizon: [ Steve Kilbane <steve@whitecrow.demo ]
Re: [B7L] Vote B7 [was Re: BFI poll] [ "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.con ]
Re: [B7L] Vote B7 [was Re: BFI poll] [ mistral@centurytel.net ]
[B7L] Re: To Heck or not to Heck [ Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@comp ]
Re: Re: [B7L] Auron [ "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.n ]
Re: [B7L] Vila's outfits [ "DragonFly" <dragonfly@pond65.fsnet ]
Re: [B7L] Vote B7 [was Re: BFI poll] [ Tavia Chalcraft <tavia@btinternet.c ]
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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 07:55 +0100
From: nyder@moore.britishlibrary.net
To: "tavia@btinternet.com" <tavia@btinternet.com>,
'Lysator mailing list' <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: RE: RE: [B7L] Horizon
Message-Id: <20000914174347.26010F8446@chalfont.mail.uk.easynet.net>
Judith, you're right. One shouldnt add fuel to the fire. One really shouldn't. But I'm a pyromaniac.
----Original Message-----
>From: Tavia Chalcraft <tavia@btinternet.com>
Alan
>>the pile. Even if an article or feature was dramatically out of date, it
>>was still extremely difficult to get it dropped.
Tavia
>The problem with having something called a 'newsletter' is that there tends
>to be the assumption that it will carry 'news'. This makes for a lack of
>focus and for a fairly broad set of inclusion criteria.
Yes, but even so there should be some editing. I coedited a Doctor Who newsletter in the early nineties, and there was a limit-- if we had a "news" item about, say, a BBC decision which was two months old, we'd either have to drop it, amend it ("Still no word on the proposed film since the report last September that...") or else risk looking like idiots.
>Club News will be of tremendous interest to a small group of people and
>none at all to others, but this kind of thing seems to hold a sort of
>fascination among quite a lot of people. The thing to do with club outings
>would be to expand it to include all kinds of meet-up UK wide.
Recently, though, there was a similar spat in DW fandom, when a chap wrote in to Doctor Who Magazine to complain that the sections on events etc. were all about a small group of fans and mainly the Big Finish Audios group at that. Several people countered by pointing out that they were doing things and what had the letter-writer done lately, which is fair enough but I think he had a point, in that there are lots of DW groups doing things that are interesting but not high-profile who should maybe have a bit more column space.
Alan:
>> good
>>features were being cut, like the Pete Wallbank interview, to make room
>for
>>12 month old theatre reviews.
In reference to comments made earlier, I would think the out-of-dateness of the reviews is less at issue than prioritisation. Say you've got two free pages and a stack of old theatre reviews, then by all means put them in. But say you've got two free pages, a stack of old theatre reviews, and a fresh interview with Pete Wallbank, an interesting guy and well-known artist who also just happens to have done you a zine cover for free... wouldn't it be best to bump the reviews and put them in a later issue and run the fresh goss? Yes, I *am* involved I know, and thus biased, but I think what Alan is saying throughout is that Horizon suffered from skewed priorities.
Tavia
>Why the page restrictions...? Surely the solution is simply to include
>everything and print more?
With our lot, you'd wind up with something the size of a church Bible.
>with names). If so, well done, it was an excellent read. But it seems more
>pointful to go away and try to make something different and exciting than
>to try and change a club newsletter into something it's never going to
>easily be.
Again, though, that's not as easy as it sounds. Horizon has the advantage of having a ready-made readership, an established history, and a war chest of members' fees. Zenith is more or less starting from nought. It's done amazingly well considering that, but it doesn't have Horizon's fan-club backing or DWM's traditional readership.
Fiona
http://redrival.com/nyder/indexx.html
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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 19:49:56 +0200
From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: To Heck or not to Heck
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Neil wrote:
>The episodes prove conclusively that in the future, nobody swears at all.<
Well, Avon definitely says "Damn!" in Star One, or is that not regarded as
swearing? :-)
Marian
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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:00:59 +0200
From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
To: "Lysator List" <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Vila's outfits
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Judith asked:
>What were Vila's best outfits?<
My favourites are the red hooded parka from Deliverance, the yellow shirt
from Horizon and the Orange tunic from Dawn of the Gods. I also like the
brown outfit from Trial and the red costume from the Keeper.
>He didn't dresss to impress in the way that Avon did and I find many as a
result don't stick in my mind.<
A thief and pickpocket needs to dress inconspiciously. ;-)
>The worst one was the one with the yellow plastic thingy round the
shoulder.<
I absolutely agree. That yellow band is awful. Maybe the costume designers
found the outfit too dull and decided to liven it up? :-)
Marian
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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 14:12:49 EDT
From: Tigerm1019@aol.com
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Vila's outfits
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In a message dated 09/14/2000 1:00:11 PM Central Daylight Time,
maya@multiweb.nl writes:
> >The worst one was the one with the yellow plastic thingy round the
> shoulder.<
>
> I absolutely agree. That yellow band is awful. Maybe the costume
designers
> found the outfit too dull and decided to liven it up? :-)
Nah. I think it was some alien lifeform that was slowly devouring him, poor
fellow. No wonder he had such a low opinion of aliens. ;-)
Tiger M
"A friend is one to whom one may pour out all the contents of one's heart,
chaff and grain together, knowing that the gentlest of hands will take and
sift it, keep what is worth keeping and with a breath of kindness blow the
rest away." - Arabian Proverb
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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:33:31 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Horizon:
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From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
> I'm an interested party, and I'm going to do my damndest to avoid posting
> anything on this thread. I hope others will do likewise.
>
> The Lyst is a place for people to socialise and share what they enjoy. If
we
> start arguing, no matter how valid the points being raised, it just sours
the
> atmosphere.
That sounds horribly Giesian. The Lyst is a place for open discussion of
anything relating to B7. We ought to acknowledge that there are differences
of opinion that can lead to arguments, and burying the facts in the name of
keeping the atmosphere unsoured is precisely the kind of ostrich behaviour
that Horizon practices.
That said, I'm staying off this thread myself. For one thing, we've been
through all this twice in the past year and I don't see how an update on the
Great Goose Goddess' latest misdemeanours is going to bring about any
meaningful changes in the way Horizon operates.
More importantly, for me at any rate, it's the autumn migration season and
birding takes precedence. Why does this topic always rear its head in the
migration season?
Neil
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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:47:36 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Vote B7 [was Re: BFI poll]
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From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 2:45 PM
Subject: [B7L] Vote B7 [was Re: BFI poll]
>Neil wrote:
>>The British Film Institute have just published the results
>>of their poll on the Top 100 British TV programmes of all time.
>>
>>B7 isn't on it.
>>
>>But the list was culled from critics, producers and other industry
>>insiders. Now they've thrown it open to public, so if you want
>>to vote for our lovable mob, nip over to
>> http://213.253.19.130/features/tv/100/index.html
>Done. They say they'll announce the results on October 5, so get down
>there everyone...
Trouble is, if you take the trouble to be really honest with yourself, there
are plenty of British TV productions that are ever so slightly better than
B7. I can't help thinking of The Singing Detective, The Monocled Mutineer,
Hot Metal, One Foot in the Grave, and if I had to pick an all-time personal
favourite it would probably be A Very Peculiar Practice even though no one
else seems to have watched it.
Two classics I have not seen but did score highly in the BFI Top 100 were
Cathy Come Home and Edge of Darkness. Both of these were recently cited on
Radio 4 as examples of the 'cutting edge of BBC drama', along with ...
Blakes 7.
Unfortunately, they were cited by Ainsley Elliot of the panel discussion
show Do Go On. Since Elliot is actually Griff Rhys-Jones, his co-host is
Melanie Hudson, and one of the guests always sounds uncannily like Graeme
Garden, I suspect a certain level of irony was being deployed here.
Neil
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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:22:32 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Awkward phrases
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From: Andrew Williams <AWilliams@daikin.com.au>
> I can't understand how 'scrumptious' fits - "They don't take too kindly
too
> scrumptious on Kairos" - unless Scrumptious is the name of a lady-friend
or
> something....
Eating your lady-friends is a topic for the Other List.
Neil
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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 09:04:01 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: FW: [B7L] Awkward phrases
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On Thu 14 Sep, Andrew Williams wrote:
>
> Judith wrote:
>
> >On Mon 11 Sep, Andrew Williams wrote:
> >>
> >> I feel that Vila's remark in Harvest, "They don't take (too?) kindly to
> >> scrumping on Kairos", is hideously out of place. It's all too Billy
> Bunter
> >> and Jennings & Derbyshire etc.
> >
> >You're getting confused with 'scrumptious'. 'Scrumping' is stealing
> apples
> >from an orchard - presumably the root of the word scrumpy (a form of rough
> >cider).
> >
> >Hence, Vila is refering to theft of something that grows locally on Kairos.
>
> No, I'm not getting confused, I know exactly what scrumping means. My point
> was this is a very "English schoolboy" kind of phrase and as out of place as
> if he had said "What a super wheeze to pull on the half-term hols!" or
> "Wizard!" It also seems dated to me - more applicable to a time when fruit
> was coveted as a treat (children being thrilled with an orange in their
> Christmas stocking).
>
> I can't understand how 'scrumptious' fits - "They don't take too kindly too
> scrumptious on Kairos" - unless Scrumptious is the name of a lady-friend or
> something....
Well, I associate the word 'scrumptious' with comics and Billy Bunter, midnight
feasts in the dorm, etc., but I don't recall the word scrumping in that context.
Maybe it's just too long since I read Jennings.
Do you think Vila suffered from being the 'comic' character?
I still wince over the 'parking meteors' joke in Ultraworld. Trevor Hoyle
should have known better. It clashes so horribly with the complete lack of
personal transport shown in the series. I also hate it for being a bad SF
cliche - ultra-powerful computer destroyed by clever humans doing something
simple. I found it just as annoying when Kirk destroyed another one by telling
it to calculate pi. Data's urge to become human hits the same button.
It's peddling reassurance - look guys, no matter how big and poweful computers
become, good old human ingenuity/emotions will always win out. I far prefer to
look at what would happen if human ingenuity did't win out. Although
'Redemption' isn't a fantastic episode, it does at least try to take a different
route in this respect. It takes Orac to beat the System.
Judith
--
http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs,
pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth
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Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/
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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:01:47 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: To Heck or not to Heck
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From: Marian de Haan <maya@multiweb.nl>
> Neil wrote:
> >The episodes prove conclusively that in the future, nobody swears at
all.<
>
> Well, Avon definitely says "Damn!" in Star One, or is that not regarded as
> swearing? :-)
Actually he'd just solved the final clue in a crossword he was doing, "Mad
back wall to hold back water (3)". It sounded like 'damn!' because this was
clearly an inconvenient time to stumble on the solution.
Neil
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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:06:58 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: "Lysator List" <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: FW: [B7L] Awkward phrases
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Judith:
> I still wince over the 'parking meteors' joke in Ultraworld. Trevor Hoyle
> should have known better. It clashes so horribly with the complete lack
of
> personal transport shown in the series. I also hate it for being a bad SF
> cliche - ultra-powerful computer destroyed by clever humans doing
something
> simple. I found it just as annoying when Kirk destroyed another one by
telling
> it to calculate pi. Data's urge to become human hits the same button.
I have to say that whilst all that bit with the riddles in 'Ultraworld' is
obviously pants, Orac's line 'Encore!' cracks me up.
Una
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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 13:21:15 -0600
From: Betty Ragan <ragan@sdc.org>
To: B7 Lyst <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Auron
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Fiona wrote:
> Wrote an unpublished article on it once, analysing what we know about Auron from an > anthropological point of view. If people are interested I could put it up on the Web or
> something.
Well, I'd be interested...
> I notice that this seems to be the dominant view on the lyst, but how then do you
> account for the dating given in the legend Cally tells in "Dawn of the Gods"?
> For there to have been at least two million years between the first arrival of the
> gods and the end of the story, they would have had to come from Earth in paleolithic
> times. Although I suppose the "gods" could have picked up and transplanted the odd
> Terran sample...
I figure the "two million years" is probably exaggeration. It's a very
impressive, fairly round number, but who the hell keeps track of two
million years? For all we know "two million" might be the Auron
equivalent of "too many to count" (the way "forty days and forty
nights," as I understand it, was in Biblical times).
--
Betty Ragan ** ragan@sdc.org ** http://www.sdc.org/~ragan/
"I love hearing that lonesome wail of the train whistle as
the magnitude of the frequency of the wave changes due to
the Doppler effect." -- Sidney Harris
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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:24:56 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Cc: Freedom City <freedom-city@blakes-7.org>
Subject: [B7L] Gareth as Oberon
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Nottingham Play House have just sent me a publicity photo of Gareth as Oberon.
It's up on the web site and it's very nice indeed. Wonderful costume, and for
those (why am I thinking of you, Joyce?) who lust over a glimpse of bare chest,
I can promise you'll be very happy indeed.
Judith
--
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pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth
Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.knightwriter.org )
Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/
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Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:16:09 -0700
From: mistral@ptinet.net
To: B7 List <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Vila's outfits
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Judith Proctor wrote:
> What were Vila's best outfits?
>
> He didn't dresss to impress in the way that Avon did and I find many as a result
> don't stick in my mind.
Mostly they don't stick in my mind, either. The patchwork-looking
one that he wears in series A does stick, and it's what I usually
picture a Blake-era Vila in, tho' it's fairly neutral on like/dislike.
Off the top of my head, I like the reddish shirt in 'Orac' and
especially the black shirt in 'Weapon' the best; and am always
annoyed that they didn't give him something more flattering in 'City'.
Mistral
--
"Ad hoc, ad loc, and quid pro quo. So little time! So much to know!"
--Jeremy Hilary Boob, Ph.D.
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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 18:04:16 -0700
From: mistral@centurytel.net
To: B7 List <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] test - new addy
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1. ____ A common abbreviation for Time
2. ____= mc^2
3. ____ Direction opposite of N
4. ____ A type of pullover short-sleeved shirt, usually cotton knit
Just checking the new e-mail, sorry.
Mistral
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Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 12:16:05 +1000
From: "David Henderson" <David.Henderson@jcu.edu.au>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Vote B7 [was Re: BFI poll]
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>Trouble is, if you take the trouble to be really honest with yourself,
there
>are plenty of British TV productions that are ever so slightly better than
>B7. I can't help thinking of The Singing Detective, The Monocled Mutineer,
>Hot Metal, One Foot in the Grave, and if I had to pick an all-time personal
>favourite it would probably be A Very Peculiar Practice even though no one
>else seems to have watched it.
I would have to put "Lipstick on your collar" above "The singing detective"
if only for the dancing camels. I really enjoyed "A very peculiar practice"
(the first season more thatn the second).
>Cathy Come Home and Edge of Darkness. Both of these were recently cited on
Ohhh! "Edge of Darkness"...now THAT was a pretty damn impressive show.
I'll even let Bob Peck get away with wearing long socks and a slouch hat in
that dinosaur missadventure movie cause of his role in "EoD".
ummmm now how to bring some B7 content into this post....Ah! Bleak outlooks
and grey quaries abound in EoD and B7 (yes lame I know)
later
daveH
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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 22:54:02 EDT
From: Bizarro7@aol.com
To: freedom-city@blakes-7.org, blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: FC: 8 Hour Warning on rare B7 fanzine auction
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In a message dated 9/14/00 2:08:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
vampry@attglobal.net writes:
<< >The September 15th round of rare and out-of-print B7 fanzines from the
Ashton
>Press collection will be rolling off today, beginning in about 8 hours. If
>any of you haven't had a chance to check this out, now's the time to peek.
Uh, where is this, please?>>
<A HREF="http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/ashton7/">eBay View About Me for
ashton7</A>
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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 21:53:13 +0200
From: Steve Kilbane <steve@whitecrow.demon.co.uk>
To: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
Cc: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Horizon:
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> The Lyst is a place for open discussion of
> anything relating to B7. We ought to acknowledge that there are differences
> of opinion that can lead to arguments, and burying the facts in the name of
> keeping the atmosphere unsoured is precisely the kind of ostrich behaviour
> that Horizon practices.
True, but as we've seen in the past, it tends to get off facts and into
personal interpretation too quickly. The archives are there, for those who
want to know.
> Why does this topic always rear its head in the
> migration season?
Why then, I dunno. but it keeps coming up as a variant on a FAQ. It's reached
the point where it should be answered with a URL to summaries of past
dredgings.
steve
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Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 07:42:17 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Vote B7 [was Re: BFI poll]
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Harriet (I think)/DaveH:
> >Trouble is, if you take the trouble to be really honest with yourself,
there
> >are plenty of British TV productions that are ever so slightly better
than
> >B7. I can't help thinking of The Singing Detective, The Monocled
Mutineer,
> >Hot Metal, One Foot in the Grave, and if I had to pick an all-time
personal
> >favourite it would probably be A Very Peculiar Practice even though no
one
> >else seems to have watched it.
>
> I would have to put "Lipstick on your collar" above "The singing
detective"
> if only for the dancing camels. I really enjoyed "A very peculiar
practice"
> (the first season more thatn the second).
Am I the only person in the world who thinks Dennis Potter was a vastly
over-rated writer whose bloated epics verge on being total shit?
Another TV show I thought was vastly over-rated was 'Our Friends in the
North'. There was another show on at roughly the same time called 'Holding
On', which was a vast novel type show, which I liked more, but which did
lose itself halfway through.
However, 'Monocled Mutineer' was amazing. 'Very Peculiar Practice' also,
altho' I would go for season 2, because it is so surreal and sinister (and
repeated once, on UK Gold - and then we moved house and lost cable access -
d'oh!).
> >Cathy Come Home and Edge of Darkness. Both of these were recently cited
on
>
> Ohhh! "Edge of Darkness"...now THAT was a pretty damn impressive show.
> I'll even let Bob Peck get away with wearing long socks and a slouch hat
in
> that dinosaur missadventure movie cause of his role in "EoD".
EoD is an amazing piece of television. Fastest repeat ever. Bob Peck's
performance is astonishing. 'Cathy Come Home' I've never seen, tho' I'd be
interested to see if it still stands up as drama, or whether its high status
is as a result of the impact it had.
How about 'Middlemarch'? I thought that was superb, even better than 'Pride
and Prejudice'. And personal preference would make me point to the BBC film
of 'Persuasion'.
> ummmm now how to bring some B7 content into this post....Ah! Bleak
outlooks
> and grey quaries abound in EoD and B7 (yes lame I know)
I shall nod sagely and hope that passes as B7 content.
Una
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Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 01:04:04 -0700
From: mistral@centurytel.net
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Una McCormack wrote:
> > ummmm now how to bring some B7 content into this post....Ah! Bleak
> outlooks
> > and grey quaries abound in EoD and B7 (yes lame I know)
>
> I shall nod sagely and hope that passes as B7 content.
This got me to thinking. Perhaps we should change the abbreviation
for 'obligatory' from Ob. to Og. Then Una could be frequently
thrilled to see 'OgB7' all over the place.
Mistral
--
"Ad hoc, ad loc, and quid pro quo. So little time! So much to know!"
--Jeremy Hilary Boob, Ph.D.
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Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 07:23:09 -0400
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: To Heck or not to Heck
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Neil replied to me:
>>Vila could say flippin' heck, but I don't think any others would.
>
>Not even Vila, I'd say. The episodes prove conclusively
> that in the future, nobody swears at all.
I don't really think of flippin' heck as swearing... it's too quaintly
old-fashioned to count.
Harriet
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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 21:09:13 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: Re: [B7L] Auron
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> >> All this talk about religion and culture has got me wondering, what
does
> >> everybody think about Auron's religion and cultural background?
>
> Wrote an unpublished article on it once, analysing what we know about
Auron from an anthropological point of view. If people are interested I
could put it up on the Web or something.
This person at least is interested. Not that I'd agree with any of it:)
> >I'd agree with the human origins. Indeed, I would insist on it, and
have
> >done to the point of converting Judith :). Since their cultural
origins lie
>
> I notice that this seems to be the dominant view on the lyst, but how then
do you account for the dating given in the legend Cally tells in "Dawn of
the Gods"? For there to have been at least two million years between the
first arrival of the gods and the end of the story, they would have had to
come from Earth in paleolithic times. Although I suppose the "gods" could
have picked up and transplanted the odd Terran sample... I favour the
parallell evolution theory myself.
Unfortunately, whilst there is such a thing as convergent evolution, it is
almost certainly not going to produce extra-terrestrials who could pass for
human. Convergent evolution fits form to function, equipping organisms who
fill similar ecological niches with similar physical characteristics. For
example, consider auks and penguins. Both have broadly similar black and
white colouration (black above, white below), webbed feet on short legs, and
wings that function as flippers for swimming underwater. Both are coast
dwellers feeding almost exclusively on fish. Nevertheless, you don't need
to be an ornithologist to tell a puffin from a penguin. (For one thing,
walk up to a puffin and it will fly away. A penguin could only waddle.)
Despite the differences between them, auks and penguins share much of their
evolutionary history - both are birds. If humans and auronar evolved
separately, on different planets, with no shared evolutionary history at
all, then they would have more apart than in common. Even if Earth and
Auron were broadly similar planets, they would have very different
evolutionary histories. The chances of an alien lifeform evolving to look
like Jan Chappel with a perm are simply too small to seriously consider.
Ergo the Auronar (and all other humanoids in B7) are ultimately from Earth.
The idea of a long-lost ancient alien race kidnapping humans in our distant
past to colonise distant worlds is certainly a possibility, at least in
theory. Homo sapiens has been around for tens of thousands of years and
needn't have to change much morphologically if transplanted to a suitable
planet. So the option is there, even though I don't particularly like it
myself.
Neil
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Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 06:29:22 +0100
From: "DragonFly" <dragonfly@pond65.fsnet.co.uk>
To: "Lysator List" <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Vila's outfits
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hi I noticed that on Judiths page a number of you are going to see Gareth
Thomas in a Midsummer's Night Dream in nottingham. If I had known I would've
come and long and met you all but my hubby surprised me and had already
booked the tickets for TOMORROW!!!
So I am extremely excited - Despite being sighned of work for 2 weeks with
exhustion I will drag myself half dead to see it. I will be at the matanee
showing if anyone else is going let me know.!
Julia Lawson
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Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 19:16:53 +0100
From: Tavia Chalcraft <tavia@btinternet.com>
To: 'Lysator mailing list' <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Vote B7 [was Re: BFI poll]
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Neil wrote:
>Trouble is, if you take the trouble to be really honest with yourself,
there are plenty of British TV productions that are ever so slightly better
than B7.
Without even taking much time to be honest (and at severe risk of being
assassinated), there are many many British television productions that are
significantly better than B7. However there is precisely none that I love
as much. And that is one thing I have never been able to understand: what
is it about Blake's Seven that inspires my absolute loyalty (I voted for
it), without necessarily making me think it great television?
Tavia
--When the fire and the rose are one
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