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blakes7-d Digest				Volume 00 : Issue 262

Today's Topics:
  Re: [B7L] creation of man and Aurona  [ "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.n ]
  Re: [B7L] I love 1978                 [ "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.n ]
  [B7L] RE: blakes7-d Digest V00 #261   [ "Craig Ernst" <craig@thirdzone.com> ]
  Re: [B7L] Selected episodes (Vericon  [ "David A McIntee" <Master@allisurve ]
  Re: [B7L] Vote B7 [was Re: BFI poll]  [ "Dana Shilling" <dshilling@worldnet ]
  Re: [B7L] Selected episodes (Vericon  [ Tavia Chalcraft <tavia@btinternet.c ]
  Virus                                 [ "DragonFly" <dragonfly@pond65.fsnet ]
  Re: [B7L] creation of man and Aurona  [ "Alison Page" <alison@alisonpage.de ]
  Re: [B7L] Virus                       [ Lisa Williams <lcw@dallas.net> ]
  Re: Beautiful voices (was Re: [B7L]   [ "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.co ]
  Re: Beautiful voices (was Re: [B7L]   [ mistral@centurytel.net ]
  Re: Beautiful voices (was Re: [B7L]   [ "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.co ]
  [B7L] zine advert for All Change      [ Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com ]
  Re: [B7L] zine advert for All Change  [ "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.co ]
  Re: [B7L] zine advert for All Change  [ mistral@centurytel.net ]
  Re: [B7L] zine advert for All Change  [ "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.co ]
  Re: [B7L] Selected episodes (Vericon  [ "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.con ]
  Re: [B7L] I love 1978                 [ "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.con ]
  [B7L] List question                   [ "Jeroen J. Kwast" <jeroenkw@gns.get ]
  Re: [B7L] I Love 1978                 [ mistral@centurytel.net ]
  Re: [B7L] I Love 1978                 [ Calle Dybedahl <calle@lysator.liu.s ]
  [B7L] Re: I Love 1978                 [ Murray <mjsmith@tcd.ie> ]
  Re: [B7L] Virus                       [ "Kimberly Ashford" <thesseli@email. ]
  [B7L] Testing...                      [ Calle Dybedahl <calle@lysator.liu.s ]
  Re: [B7L] Testing...                  [ Calle Dybedahl <calle@lysator.liu.s ]
  [B7L] The Non-Geeks guide to Virus A  [ Louise Rutter <Louise.Rutter@btinte ]
  Re: [B7L] creation of man and Aurona  [ "Alison Page" <alison@alisonpage.de ]
  [B7L] Test                            [ Calle Dybedahl <calle@lysator.liu.s ]
  RE: Re: Re: [B7L] Vote B7 [was Re: B  [ nyder@moore.britishlibrary.net ]
  Re: [B7L] I love 1978                 [ "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.n ]
  [B7L] ADMIN: Multipart postings forb  [ Calle Dybedahl <calle@lysator.liu.s ]
  Re: [B7L] ADMIN: Multipart postings   [ Calle Dybedahl <calle@lysator.liu.s ]

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Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 19:19:42 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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From: Alison Page <alison@alisonpage.demon.co.uk>
> Ursula Le Guin has a very long standing 'AU' that most of her books fall
> into, which is of the same type as the versions Neil and Ellyne and others
> are discussing. She developed it in the 1960s before molecular biology
> advanced as far as it now has. It's interesting how she had to change it
as
> science refuted her premises one by one.

I remember occasional references to the Cetians of The Dispossessed being
hairy all over, and just ignored them (the references, that is, not the
Cetians.  Ignoring the Cetians would be to ignore the book, which is too
good to ignore).

> And that leaves only one possibility IMHO, which is that humans were taken
> from earth in the far distant past, and put onto other planets. It's worth
> noting that you'd have to take the whole ecosystem too, so that there
would
> be food the transplanted humans could digest.
>
> If you want to write a story where humans go to a planet and find
> human-looking inhabitants, with food they can eat, and people they can
mate
> with (cf Star Trek) then that's the only back-story that makes sense.

Pretty much, yes.  Though it doesn't explain the latex headwear.  Or green
Vulcan blood.  Nor doubtless many other things which I can't catalogue
because Star Trek is far too silly for me to bother watching it.

> The most  usual trick is to posit some alien race who wanted to make use
of
> humans. They have obviously gone to a lot of trouble, so we must have been
> very useful to them. I would say that use was not as tractable servants. I
> was thinking perhaps mercenaries, or explorers of dangerous environments.
> That would explain why we are so aggressive and inquisitive.

Erm, surely the other way round.  Our aggressive and inquisitive qualities
would be what could make us useful as mercenaries, explorers etc.

> The other possibility is that earth civilisation has risen and fallen many
> times, and colonised the stars, only to lose the knowledge. So why no
> remains to be found? Perhaps they used a technology without metals,
perhaps
> a biological technology.

Now now, you'll only end up upsetting the archaeologists.
>
> Or perhaps we are the first wave of human colonisers, and we will be
> destroyed, and Blakes 7 is set a million years in the future.

I certainly favour a boom-and-bust scenario for the centuries between now
and B7, however many centuries that might be.  This is mainly to reconcile
the state of technology seen in the series with what we might really have in
a thousand years time.  The Federation, in many respects, seems pretty
primitive.  A Great Social Collapse could also allow a few far-flung pockets
of colonisation to survive and progress further than the mainstream, leading
to the Altas, the Sarcophagus Alien's homeworld, possibly also the Auronar
(though they didn't seem that much more advanced than the Federation).

They may have been more than one Collapse, generating a patchwork of worlds
at various levels of development.  Some at the cutting edge, others reduced
to pre-Industrial barbarism (think Sarran, Cephlon, Xenon, and Goth which
even has a 'Lost Time' in its folklore).  And somewhere in the middle, the
Federation, achieving dominance not through technological superiority but
more through sheer size and brute force.  (Voltaire or whoever was wrong -
the gods of war tend to prefer the big battalions.)

Personally, I see the B7 universe as one that has only recently emerged from
a state of collapse (the Federation's not that old, after all) and is
nevertheless teetering on the brink of another.  This would put the
Federation in a fragile position and give Blake good reason to think he
could succeed.

Neil, who once had an overlong article on the origins of the Federation
printed in an old Horizon newsletter and is now asking everyone who has a
copy to rip out the offending pages because a lot of it was crap.

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Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 19:22:05 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] I love 1978
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From: Una McCormack <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
> And then we were staggered at just how bad 'I Lost My
> Heart to a Starship Trooper' was.

Always knew you had no taste.

Neil

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Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 14:05:57 -0500
From: "Craig Ernst" <craig@thirdzone.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] RE: blakes7-d Digest V00 #261
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Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 20:18:03 +0100
From: "David A McIntee" <Master@allisurvey.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "Beanish" <padme@bantha.org>, <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Selected episodes (Vericon)
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> From: Beanish <padme@bantha.org>
> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
> So, I've been asked to help schedule a con viewing room.
> 
> So, what 2 - 4 episodes would you show to a newbie, not necessarily
> to hook them or introduce them to the series, but to give them a bit of
> Blake's 7 flavor in this context?  Or, if you prefer, below is what my
> draft to the head honcho of viewing rooms currently says.  Comments?
> 
>       A few of them stand alone enough to be shown       
>       out of context.  Time Squad, Seek-Locate-Destroy, Aftermath
>       and Powerplay all introduce new characters, so they have enough
>       exposition for newbies without dragging.

None of them are really any good, though.
 
I'd show The Way Back or Space Fall, then Star One/Aftermath/Powerplay.
Remember that what fans consider the best episodes may not be the best ones
to show newbies. Rumours Of Death, or City At The Edge Of The World for
example rely on some familiarity with the characters featured.

Alternatively, if one from each season- 

Season 1- Mission To Destiny or Project Avalon from season 1 (both good
standalones - most of the others season 1 eps would feel incomplete to
newbies, except Duel, which to a US audience would be a shameless rip off
of the Trek episode Arena)
Season 2- Shadow or Star One. The latter is the end of an arc, and a season
finale, but does stand alone as an SF adventure (and should leave the
viewer wanting more)
Season 3- Sarcophagus or Death-Watch
Season 4- Sand, Assassin or Gold
 

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Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 16:39:16 -0400
From: "Dana Shilling" <dshilling@worldnet.att.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Vote B7 [was Re: BFI poll] 
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Like Neil, I taped over something I should have
kept: in my case, Rock Follies, a sort of all-female
B7 with no shooting--in both cases, one keeps expecting
the likeable-though-often-annoying protagonists to
triumph, but things just keep getting worse, and worse,
and worse...

-(Y)

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Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 22:25:36 +0100
From: Tavia Chalcraft <tavia@btinternet.com>
To: 'Lysator mailing list' <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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>> So, what 2 - 4 episodes would you show to a newbie, not necessarily
>> to hook them or introduce them to the series, but to give them a bit of
>> Blake's 7 flavor in this context?

David suggests:
>The Way Back or Space Fall, then Star One/Aftermath/Powerplay
>Season 1- Mission To Destiny or Project Avalon from season 1
>Season 2- Shadow or Star One
>Season 3- Sarcophagus or Death-Watch
>Season 4- Sand, Assassin or Gold

Death-Watch would be quite a good stand-alone one. Nice plot, good 
characterisation, some degree of original sf elements. (To copy the 
discussion on FC.) Other suggestions might be Space Fall (if you want a 
flavour of the series I'd avoid The Way Back), Seek-Locate-Destroy, Project 
Avalon, Redemption, Countdown, all of which offer a reasonable flavour 
without including anything too off-putting or overly giving away the 
plot... I'd be tempted to avoid both Sarcophagus (which I hate) and Shadow 
(which I love) for the same reason of avoiding alien take-over episodes. 
Mission to Destiny is just appallingly dull. I'd avoid Star One because 
it's so much better with all that goes before. I can't comment on the 
season 4 choice, the only ones I like much are ones that wouldn't be 
suitable.

Tavia

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Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 10:42:19 +0100
From: "DragonFly" <dragonfly@pond65.fsnet.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>, <blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se>
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First of all, thanks for all the kind words about my review - I hope those
of you who get to go enjoy it as much as I did.

As for Gareth Thomas - well even though I was not a huge fan before after
seeing him in Midsummer Night's Dream I have to say he is one of the best
actors alive and on meeting him - he is one of the sweetest, kindest,
nicest, charming, adorable men alive. - I just had to say that. - I was a
very big B7 fan before but now after meeting Gareth Thomas I am a huge huge
fan of the actors as well - are they all as nice as Gareth?

okay - I do use the attachments to view my emails from the list and I am now
very concerned that I may have this virus -  Nothing as yet is acting odd -
what are the symptoms is it going to mess up my whole system - does anyone
know a cure?

Also the I love 1978 was great I was really worried that it wasn't going to
get much of a meantion that or they would be the guest speakers was going to
take a cure micky take of it and rip it to pieces but as it was a BBC
programme they possibly thought better of it.  Paul Darrow had me chuckling
for ages about the kuntucky fried chicken as I have not seen that episode
and now when ever I see it I am just going to remember that and laugh. -

Oh and if any of you are interested I have know obtained tape 26 of the
series I am collecting just 16 more tapes to go.!!!

all for now
Julia - Loughborough, Leics

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Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 22:24:38 +0100
From: "Alison Page" <alison@alisonpage.demon.co.uk>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] creation of man and Auronar
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Judith said -

>"Can humans eat buddlea?" Judith asks with interest.  We know it to exist
on
>virtually every planet in the known galaxy <grin>.

Or perhaps the elder civilisation just wanted the buddleia, and the humans
hid amongst the cuttings

>Sounds like potential for a wonderful epic novel there.

Go to it!

Alison

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Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 17:13:35 -0500
From: Lisa Williams <lcw@dallas.net>
To: <blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Virus
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DragonFly wrote:

>okay - I do use the attachments to view my emails from the list and I am 
>now very concerned that I may have this virus -  Nothing as yet is acting 
>odd - what are the symptoms is it going to mess up my whole system - does 
>anyone know a cure?

Looking at the file (in the "infected" folder where my virus-checking 
software dutifully placed it, so it never even showed up in my email 
files), it appears to be the KakWorm script. The Symantec Antivirus website 
has a writeup on it, including a link to a tool that should fix the damage 
if the script has already been run. It also refers you to a patch which 
should fix the MS Outlook security hole which allows the thing to execute 
in the first place.

The Symantec page on this worm is at: 
http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/wscript.kakworm.html .

And if you don't have virus-checking software examining your email as it 
downloads, I'd suggest that you do so. And make sure you keep it up to 
date. Switching to another email client program would be a good idea, too; 
Outlook Express has more than its share of security holes, plus it's widely 
used, so is often targeted by email worms like this. At the very least, 
make sure you have installed any recommended patches and activate whatever 
security features it's got.

         - Lisa
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Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 12:14:02 EST
From: "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: Beautiful voices (was Re: [B7L] Vote B7)
Message-ID: <F197rxUn3AkTR60oVex0000efb4@hotmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed

>From: mistral@centurytel.net
>What I particularly want is PD reading "In faith, I do
>not love thee with mine eyes..."

Ouch.

Regards
Joanne
(need I say more?)



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Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 20:14:30 -0700
From: mistral@centurytel.net
To: B7 List <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: Beautiful voices (was Re: [B7L] Vote B7)
Message-ID: <39C58896.5A232618@centurytel.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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Joanne MacQueen wrote:

> >From: mistral@centurytel.net
> >What I particularly want is PD reading "In faith, I do
> >not love thee with mine eyes..."
>
> Ouch.

What? You don't like that one, or is your irony subroutine switched off?

Mistral

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Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 14:21:55 EST
From: "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: Beautiful voices (was Re: [B7L] Vote B7)
Message-ID: <F216YhwNsoiDK85qKiP0000fb1a@hotmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed

>From: mistral@centurytel.net
> > Ouch.
>What? You don't like that one, or is your irony subroutine switched off?

If that means what I think it means, then the latter.

Regards
Joanne
(who can't really afford the time to resolidify herself from the melted 
state that thinking about that idea would cause. Stop it now, I say...)



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Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 19:33:10 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
To: Freedom City <freedom-city@blakes-7.org>
Cc: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] zine advert for All Change
Message-ID: <Marcel-1.46-0917183310-480Rr9i@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII

This zine was written after I got pissed off with Barry Letts' radio plays. 
It's an audio script and Avon does not enjoy inflicting pain nor have anything
to do with the Purple Nightingale, Vila does not over-eat, Soolin does not lose
all her intelligence, Dayna does get to do something with weapons, Tarrant is
not taken over by a mind-control device and there's no hyperspace.  Beyond that,
you have to judge it for yourselves.  It is however affordable, being the
cheapest zine that I sell...

Here's the first couple of pages.


(BLAKE'S 7 THEME TUNE FADING INTO: INTERIOR, A LARGE ROOM IN XENON BASE.  ORAC'S
HUM CAN BE HEARD IN THE BACKGROUND)

VILA: 	Pick a card, any card.

DAYNA:	All right, what's the trick?

VILA:	You have to pick a card first, then memorise it and put it back in the
deck.

SOOLIN:	I know that one.  Either the cards are all identical or else he marks it
with a fingernail as you put it back.

VILA:	(offended) I'll have you know that I am a class act, highly skilled at
presti... prest...  Highly skilled anyway.

SOOLIN:	I'll bet.

VILA:	Go on, Dayna.

DAYNA:	Oh, all right.

ORAC:	Fascinating.

VILA:	There!  I always knew somebody would appreciate me some day.

ORAC:	Not you.  The teleport project.  It was, after all, merely a matter of
time before the teleport was developed independently.  I have just intercepted a
Federation message confirming their willingness to buy the teleport system
recently completed by Zebulon Probert of the Feynman Corporation.

DAYNA:	A teleport!

SOOLIN:	But that's our main advantage over the Federation.

DAYNA:	Don't you mean it was our main advantage?

VILA:	Five of spades!  It was the five of spades wasn't it?

SOOLIN and DAYNA:	Shut up, Vila! 



(CUT TO INTERIOR.  SMALL OFFICE ACOUSTIC)

DEVA:	Probert?

BLAKE:	What is it, Deva?  I'm busy.

DEVA:	There's something I think you ought to know.

BLAKE:	(impatient)  Well?

DEVA:	I've just been speaking to the project manager...

BLAKE:	And?

DEVA:	The Federation have seen our test results.  They're impressed.  They're
sending an investigative team from Space Command to run independent tests on the
prototype and intend to purchase the system for the military if it functions
reliably.  They'll be here in three days time.

BLAKE:	Then I'd better finish this documentation quickly, hadn't I?

DEVA:	That's not all.

BLAKE:	(sighs)  You're obviously determined to tell me everything.

DEVA:	Flight control say the Al-Biruni isn't on her scheduled approach.  They
should have picked her up on the scanners by now.

BLAKE:	So, why tell me?  I'm not travelling on her.

DEVA:	Probert certainly isn't.

BLAKE:	Just what are you implying?

DEVA:	That Probert isn't your real name.

BLAKE:	Let me get this straight.  I'm just about to deliver one of the most
important projects this corporation has seen in a decade, and you're trying to
tell me that I'm an imposter?

DEVA:	(a little nervous)  This place may be a dump in the middle of nowhere,
but they did hire a good computer security expert.  I know my job, Blake. 

BLAKE:  I see.  (beat)  People looking for me generally have one of three
motives.  You aren't pointing a gun at me, so we'll eliminate the first one. 
That leaves you as an amateur rebel or a blackmailer.  Which is it?

---------------------------

This zine costs 1.60 pounds in the UK including postage.  (cheques to Judith
Proctor, 28 Diprose Rd, Corfe Mullen, Wimborne, Dorset, BH21 3QY) Overseas
prices and details of how to pay by credit card can be found on
http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7

-- 
http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 -  Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs,
pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth
Thomas, etc.  (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.knightwriter.org )
Redemption '01  23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/

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Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 16:43:58 EST
From: "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] zine advert for All Change
Message-ID: <F68cdC5FsPmD2zwSnwy000146d2@hotmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed

>From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
>This zine was written after I got pissed off with Barry Letts' radio plays. 
>It's an audio script and Avon does not enjoy inflicting pain nor have 
>anything to do with the Purple Nightingale

Nor tends to use phrases like "belly full of boo juice", I trust? That line, 
to me, is a verbal equivalent to the Deathwatch jacket. I'm sure there are 
others, but that's the one that comes to mind immediately.

Regards
Joanne
(Mistral, repeat after me: I did not see anything about a jacket on the 
Lyst, I did not see anything about a jacket on the Lyst. Repeat until you 
believe it.)
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Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 23:03:47 -0700
From: mistral@centurytel.net
To: B7 List <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] zine advert for All Change
Message-ID: <39C5B042.6B371521@centurytel.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Joanne MacQueen wrote:

> (Mistral, repeat after me: I did not see anything about a jacket on the
> Lyst, I did not see anything about a jacket on the Lyst. Repeat until you
> believe it.)

The thing you fail to appreciate, Joanne, is that without 'TJ', I find
Deathwatch entirely unbearable. Imagine, if you will, what that
must be like, to find 'TJ' the *best* thing about that ep. Everything
else is so cringe-worthy, I am forced to grasp at 'TJ' as a lifeline.

Mistral
--
Art is moral passion married to entertainment. Moral passion
without entertainment is propaganda, and entertainment without
moral passion is television.--Rita Mae Brown

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Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 17:11:07 EST
From: "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] zine advert for All Change
Message-ID: <F55mlLeux5fNmc613Io0000f710@hotmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed

>From: mistral@centurytel.net
>Imagine, if you will, what that
>must be like, to find 'TJ' the *best* thing about that ep. Everything
>else is so cringe-worthy, I am forced to grasp at 'TJ' as a lifeline.

<turns head to one side, considers this for just a moment> I have to say the 
Elvis wig perched on Mr Pacey's head for the purpose of telling the brothers 
apart is worse than the jacket. (No, Godmother, that isn't your cue, I 
assure you. Curses, Mistral, thinking can put you between a rock and a hard 
place.) That pointy gesture of Avon's that Max treats as an invitation to 
shake hands is pretty bad because of the analysis of what it all means. 
Umm...

Regards
Joanne
(CLD and CLM legislation indices now. Finish them!)


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Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 09:16:25 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Selected episodes (Vericon)
Message-ID: <003301c02148$c1851460$0d01a8c0@codex>
Content-Type: text/plain;
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> > From: Beanish <padme@bantha.org>
> >
> > So, what 2 - 4 episodes would you show to a newbie, not necessarily
> > to hook them or introduce them to the series, but to give them a bit of
> > Blake's 7 flavor in this context?  Or, if you prefer, below is what my
> > draft to the head honcho of viewing rooms currently says.  Comments?
> >
> >       A few of them stand alone enough to be shown
> >       out of context.  Time Squad, Seek-Locate-Destroy, Aftermath
> >       and Powerplay all introduce new characters, so they have enough
> >       exposition for newbies without dragging.

Definitely 'The Way Back'. I really do think that 'The Way Back' is an
excellent introduction to the show (it *is* what it was written for, after
all!) and can't see why one wouldn't use it as such.

Then, if we're going for one from each season, and picking ones which are
excellent standalone stories: 'Shadow', 'Deathwatch', and I'm tempted to say
'Animals', but almost anything from the second half of season 4 would do
(obviously not 'Blake' which would kind of spoil it), since they're much of
a muchness. 'Gold', perhaps, is the best 'taster' one. These would have a
good mix of the characters, and give a taste of the show. Alternatively, you
could skip season 4 entirely and show 'Star One'.


Una

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Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 09:07:41 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] I love 1978
Message-ID: <003201c02148$c127d930$0d01a8c0@codex>
Content-Type: text/plain;
	charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Neil:

> From: Una McCormack <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
> > And then we were staggered at just how bad 'I Lost My
> > Heart to a Starship Trooper' was.
> 
> Always knew you had no taste.

<blush> How could I have shown myself up so badly?


Una

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Date: Mon, 18 Sep 100 10:55:37 +0200 (CEST)
From: "Jeroen J. Kwast" <jeroenkw@gns.getronics.nl>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] List question
Message-Id: <200009180855.e8I8tcP16912@tragebak.gns.getronics.nl>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Hello everyone,

I am getting a lot of spam lately on this e-mail account. I only use this account for the B7 list. How is it possible that I get spam?

If i resubscribe from another e-mail account, should I be worried for more fish??  I even got a spam get rich with the [B7L] on it!!!


Thanx for your thoughts,

Jeroen

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Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 01:44:46 -0700
From: mistral@centurytel.net
To: B7 List <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] I Love 1978
Message-ID: <39C5D5FE.6C19AE4F@centurytel.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Calle Dybedahl wrote:

> Those of you out there who insist on using Microsoft products for your
> mailreading, and who aren't using up-to-date third-party scanners to
> alleviate MS' suicidal security policies, are quite likely infected
> with a virus by the time you read this.

Is it in the digest, too? (No, I'm not using MS, but I do have to
load it onto this computer next week and I'd like to be safe.)

About the HTML. I've noticed that one of my lists has a message:
'Non-text portions of this message have been removed', or some
such in a few posts. I suppose it's not possible to do that here or
you'd have done it already? Just curious.

Mistral
--
Art is moral passion married to entertainment. Moral passion
without entertainment is propaganda, and entertainment without
moral passion is television.--Rita Mae Brown

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Date: 18 Sep 2000 12:42:23 +0200
From: Calle Dybedahl <calle@lysator.liu.se>
To: mistral@centurytel.net
Cc: B7 List <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] I Love 1978
Message-ID: <86u2bevv5c.fsf@tezcatlipoca.algonet.se>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

>>>>> "mistral" == mistral  <mistral@centurytel.net> writes:

> Is it in the digest, too?

Yes, but with any luck the digesting process has messed it up enough
to be harmless.

> I suppose it's not possible to do that here or you'd have done it
> already? Just curious.

Harder than I hoped it would be. Will keep trying.
-- 
 Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | calle@lysator.liu.se
             Try again. Try harder. -*-  Fail again. Fail better.

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Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 13:57:27 +0000
From: Murray <mjsmith@tcd.ie>
To: Lysator <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: I Love 1978
Message-Id: <l03110706b5ebb6650b61@[134.226.96.44]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

I admit that I wallowed in the nostalgia of being nine again when I watched
that programme. The things of interest were:

1. Linda Carter: Still as good looking as ever.

2. B7: Lovely performances from Jackie (as stunning as ever), Paul, Gareth,
and Peter.

3. Simon: I remember all the hours spent playing that game.

4. Space Invaders: So it was invented in Japan in 1978? That was very
interesting information; but I don't associate it with 1978, as it had not
spread around the world at the time, and it only impinged on my
consciousness in the early 1980's.

5. Grease: As was said in the episode, there is some smut in the film,
particularly in the song 'Greased Lightning'. It was only about ten years
ago that I fully realised what _was_ in that song, and was somewhat shocked!

6. I remember 'I Lost My Heart to a Starship Trooper', and listening to the
song again caused me to have a thought. It would make a good fanfic story
if, centuries in the future, a Federation scholar rediscovers the song, and
it is regarded as a prophecy of the Federation's future greatness. What do
people think?



Murray

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Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 10:18:04 -0400
From: "Kimberly Ashford" <thesseli@email.msn.com>
To: <blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Virus
Message-ID: <002401c0217b$43d37740$57080a3f@default>

> Looking at the file (in the "infected" folder where my virus-checking
> software dutifully placed it, so it never even showed up in my email
> files), it appears to be the KakWorm script. The Symantec Antivirus
website
> has a writeup on it, including a link to a tool that should fix the damage
> if the script has already been run. It also refers you to a patch which
> should fix the MS Outlook security hole which allows the thing to execute
> in the first place.
>
> The Symantec page on this worm is at:
> http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/wscript.kakworm.html .
>

My computer had the KakWorm virus (OK, technically it's a worm and not a
virus) -- it crashed Outlook Express.  Get rid of it as soon as you can!!!


Kim
thesseli@msn.com
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one are _you_, boy?"

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Date: 18 Sep 2000 17:52:02 +0200
From: Calle Dybedahl <calle@lysator.liu.se>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Testing...
Message-ID: <86d7i1wvdp.fsf@tezcatlipoca.algonet.se>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative

Nothing interesting here...
-- 
 Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | calle@lysator.liu.se
	 "I'd rather hang on to madness than normality" -- KaTe Bush

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Date: 18 Sep 2000 17:53:52 +0200
From: Calle Dybedahl <calle@lysator.liu.se>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Testing...
Message-ID: <867l89wvan.fsf@tezcatlipoca.algonet.se>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

>>>>> "Calle" == Calle Dybedahl <calle@lysator.liu.se> writes:

That didn't look too good...
-- 
 Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | calle@lysator.liu.se
       "I like darkness, because it shows us light" -- Victoria McManus

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Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 17:51:29 +-100
From: Louise Rutter <Louise.Rutter@btinternet.com>
To: 'B7 Lysator' <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>,
	'B7freedom-city' <freedom-city@blakes-7.org>
Subject: [B7L] The Non-Geeks guide to Virus Avoidance
Message-ID: <01C02199.1451EC40@host5-99-57-124.btinternet.com>

The computer literate may delete now. I hope nobody minds me taking up 
bandwidth with this, but obviously some people need to know....:-(

Basically, to avoid viruses, DO NOT OPEN STRANGE E-MAIL ATTATCHMENTS. The 
only attatchment it is safe to open is one that you have actually 
requested; for instance if you asked someone to e-mail you a copy of a 
story an attatchment would clearly be reasonable. Any attatchment you have 
not directly solicited is suspect, even if it is from someone you know.

I delete 90% of e-mail attatchments unopened. (Debra, that included your 
post to Freedom City yesterday I'm afraid). If you want people to read your 
posts, folks, make sure you send them in plain text, not obscure-format 
text attatchments.

If you think an attatchment may contain something of interest and you don't 
want to delete it unread, it is safe to open it in Notepad. Right click on 
the attatchment, copy, open Notepad and paste. Notepad is a very simple 
text-only format and simply will not run programs, including viruses. 
Pasting into Notepad may result in unpleasant formatting, but that can be 
lived with.

Claire's infected attatchment pasted into Notepad shows the few lines of 
her message with scattered random punctuation marks but still perfectly 
readable. This was followed by a page of utter gibberish with only four or 
five scattered words. While it takes a computer geek to tell you that this 
is a virus, any idiot can see it is not plain text.
If you're uncertain what the attatchment was meant to be when you've pasted 
it into Notepad, you can always e-mail the sender and ask them if they 
meant to include it or not.

Louise

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Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 22:59:06 +0100
From: "Alison Page" <alison@alisonpage.demon.co.uk>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] creation of man and Auronar
Message-ID: <000001c02194$dba6ec00$ca8edec2@pre-installedco>
Content-Type: text/plain;
	charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Me, Neil

>> I was thinking perhaps mercenaries, or explorers of dangerous
environments.
>> That would explain why we are so aggressive and inquisitive.
>
>Erm, surely the other way round.  Our aggressive and inquisitive qualities
>would be what could make us useful as mercenaries, explorers etc.


Either way. I was just thinking along the 'we are gentically modified from
homo erectus' train. but yes, probably if you wanted aggressive yet flexible
explorers you'd start with a primate species. Or perhaps hyenas.


Alison

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Date: 18 Sep 2000 19:44:28 +0200
From: Calle Dybedahl <calle@lysator.liu.se>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Test
Message-ID: <86vgvtvca7.fsf@tezcatlipoca.algonet.se>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

-- 
 Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | calle@lysator.liu.se
           Maintainer of the Blake's 7 mailing list. Mail for info.

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Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 17:28 +0100
From: nyder@moore.britishlibrary.net
To: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>,
	"b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: RE: Re: Re: [B7L] Vote B7 [was Re: BFI poll]
Message-Id: <20000918174902.CB8F6F831E@chalfont.mail.uk.easynet.net>

----Original Message-----
   >From:    	"Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
 
   >Good grief yes, I'd forgotten Gangsters.  That was brilliant, especially the
   >final ep.  I felt especially sorry for the Indian guy who finally got to
   >visit the England he'd adored from afar for years, only to get mugged by a
   >gang of skinheads.  Not sure I'd have liked to have seen B7 made in that
   >comic strip style, though (ob ref).
 
Oh come on-- it would have livened up the third series titles no end to have slides reading "MOST THRILLING DRAMA OF LOVE AND HATE!!!" etc. interspersed with the action. And the series finales just cry out for a "Continued Next Week..." (*really* ob ref)

Fiona "My name's John Kline not John Wayne" Moore
http://redrival.com/nyder/indexx.html

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Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 11:43:23 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] I love 1978
Message-ID: <000201c0219f$65cca140$e535fea9@neilfaulkner>
Content-Type: text/plain;
	charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

From: Una McCormack <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
> Neil:
> > > And then we were staggered at just how bad 'I Lost My
> > > Heart to a Starship Trooper' was.
> >
> > Always knew you had no taste.
>
> <blush> How could I have shown myself up so badly?

I must admit, I was sorely disappointed in you.  I hope you have a more
appropriately higher appraisal of 'Dance Yourself Dizzy' by Liquid Gold and
Baccara's unforgettable 'Yes Sir, I Can Boogie'.

Otherwise there really is no hope for you.

Neil, who also thinks a Lieutenant Pigeon revival is long overdue.

------------------------------

Date: 18 Sep 2000 20:16:11 +0200
From: Calle Dybedahl <calle@lysator.liu.se>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] ADMIN: Multipart postings forbidden
Message-ID: <868zspva50.fsf@tezcatlipoca.algonet.se>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Hello. I've been digging around in the innards of the listbot and
managed to add some filter functionality to it. This means that in the
future multipart postings (such as, for example, the recent virus)
will be rejected. The most common types of multipart postings are:

* MS Outlook-style "text-and-HTML" posts. Don't use it. Tell you
  client to send plain text and nothing but plain text.

* Attachments. Don't use them. If you want to distribute a file, put
  it on a web page and post the URL, or post an offer to send it to
  those who want it.

I hope this will be acceptable to most of you out there.

-- 
 Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | calle@lysator.liu.se
             Try again. Try harder. -*-  Fail again. Fail better.

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Date: 18 Sep 2000 20:20:22 +0200
From: Calle Dybedahl <calle@lysator.liu.se>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] ADMIN: Multipart postings forbidden
Message-ID: <863dixv9y1.fsf@tezcatlipoca.algonet.se>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

>>>>> "Calle" == Calle Dybedahl <calle@lysator.liu.se> writes:

> I hope this will be acceptable to most of you out there.

Oh, I forgot to say:

If your post is rejected, you will get a mail saying so, as long as
your posting had a valid "From" address (which it should have, unless
you've made an effort to mess it up).

-- 
 Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | calle@lysator.liu.se
              Please pay no attention to the panda in the fridge.

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