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blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 265
Today's Topics:
[B7L] Nightclubs and Avon [ "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com> ]
[B7L] You know you watch too much B7 [ "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com> ]
[B7L] Current classic out-of-print z [ Bizarro7@aol.com ]
Re: [B7L] Selected episodes (Vericon [ "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.con ]
Re: [B7L] Selected episodes (Vericon [ "Doraleen McArthur" <d.mcarthur@wor ]
[B7L] Call for fiction -- further cl [ Tavia Chalcraft <tavia@btinternet.c ]
Re: [B7L] Selected episodes (Vericon [ Tavia Chalcraft <tavia@btinternet.c ]
Re: [B7L] Selected episodes (Vericon [ "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.con ]
Re: [B7L] Call for fiction for new B [ "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.n ]
Re: [B7L] Call for fiction for new B [ Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana. ]
[B7L] Brian Croucher in Oliver [ Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com ]
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Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 22:29:57 -0600
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Nightclubs and Avon
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Just thinking, it may have been as a reaction to a certain radio show
(that I admit not hearing all of) that I inserted a part in a fanfic
where Avon _did_ go to a nightclub. This is the first (and very
dramatic) hint that natural order has been overthrown in the universe
(well, OK, not _that_ dramatic. But something Strange is going on).
Ellynne
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Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 22:23:46 -0600
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] You know you watch too much B7 when....
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The other day at a bookstore, I came across a paperback that made no
impression on me whatsoever. I can't remember the title. The blurb on
the back evaporated from memory (I even went back to read it again and it
still wouldn't stick). I don't know who the author was or what the cover
looked like. Obviously, this sounds like a pretty dull book (amazingly,
it was part of a series - and it wasn't book one [no, I don't remember
what the number was (and I might not have even noticed if I don't make a
small point of trying, when convenient, not to start in the middle of a
series)]). I thought, after rereading the blurb, I'd at least remember
the details till I got home and could write them down.
Why did I want to write them down? So I can find book one, of course.
It may be chloroform in print, but the main character's name was Jenna...
Blake.
Obviously, I have to know what that's about.
Ellynne
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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 07:43:57 EDT
From: Bizarro7@aol.com
To: freedom-city@blakes-7.org, blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Current classic out-of-print zines on eBay
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Various issues of the following fanzines have been added to the ongoing
Ashton Press online eBay auction as we continue to clear out a portion of the
collection:
SLAVE
ORBIT
STANDARD BY SEVERAL
RESISTANCE
FIRE & ICE
B7 THE OTHER SIDE
STRAIGHT BLAKES
ALTERNATIVE 7
REBEL DESIRES
POWERPLAY
RAISING HELL
THREADS THROUGH INFINITY
GATEWAY TO TIME
DESTINY
INTERFACE
HORIZON
MORE NAUGHTY BITS
OBLAQUE
AVON CALLING
THE WEB
CHRONICLES
ZEN & THE ART OF REBELLION
JABBERWOCKY
THE VOID AFLAME
ISLANDS
AVON
INTERFACE
...and more!
Check it out (if only to see the covers of these classics) at: <A
HREF="http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/ashton7/">eBay View About Me for ashton7
</A> (http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/ashton7/)
Good luck.
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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:32:19 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Selected episodes (Vericon)
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Several people had suggested 'Star One' for this, whilst others felt that
it was an episode that would benefit from having seen more of the show
beforehand. Coincidentally, I'm reading 'Enterprising Women', and it turned
out C B-S has something to say about how new fans are introduced to new
shows, and how they reacted to 'Star One', which I thought you might find
interesting.
(The exchanges referred to are the one at the start where Avon mouths off
about wanting it finished and, of course, 'I have always trusted you, from
the very beginning.')
'Ironically, the very significance that fans find in these exchanges is so
embedded in an understanding of the series to that point that prospective
fans meeting 'Star One' as their first experience with the product leave it
knowing they have had a meaningful encounter with series fandom, but not
knowing what that meaning was supposed to be - the experience of
encountering the episode is emptied of content, has not yet taken on
symbolic meaning, and is experienced only as a potentially meaningful
moment. Fans assume, correctly in many cases, that when they have developed
the proper understanding of the series, they will fall back on the memory
of their first viewing of 'Star One' as a meaningful encounter.' [p. 140.]
Well, I had already seen most of B7 when I saw 'Star One', so I can't
comment on whether this would have been my experience. Still, it suggests
there are pros and cons of showing it: new viewers know something is going
on but aren't quite sure what, whilst getting the feeling that they really
want to see more.
Una
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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 00:12:53 -0400
From: "Doraleen McArthur" <d.mcarthur@worldnet.att.net>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Selected episodes (Vericon)
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From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
>Blake's 7 without The Way Back makes no sense to me. I don't see how one
>could understand the rest of the story without it. Not to mention it being
>rather good.
"The Federation is a bad dictatorship. Blake was a leader in the
anti-Federation movement, was brainwashed into being pro-Federation, and
then when he started to regain his memories the Federation convicted him
falsely of child molestation and shipped him to a penal colony."
Don't get me wrong, I like it too.
--Katie
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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 14:52:56 +0100
From: Tavia Chalcraft <tavia@btinternet.com>
To: 'Freedom City mailing list' <freedom-city@blakes-7.org>,
'Lysator mailing list' <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Call for fiction -- further clarification
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At risk of boring everyone to death on this one, I will say briefly: Thanks
everyone for your massive support on this project. Keep 'em coming.
In clarification of various wibbles voiced on FC, essentially, the only
things I really won't accept are:
-- stories whose sole purpose is to take the mick about Blake's Seven
(wobbly sets...) or its characters, singly or multiply
-- crossovers
-- smut (as Neil so ably puts it)
-- poetry or non-fiction
-- stuff available on the Web
Moreover, this exclusion list is _not_ because I feel that such material is
morally wrong, squicksome, or indeed, something that I don't want to read
myself from time to time. (After all, I read loads of novels that have
absolutely nothing to do with Blake's Seven. I just don't plan on
publishing them right now.)
I've had lots of really lovely dark serious stuff featuring particularly
Blake and Avon, and am certainly not averse to having loads more, but to
balance lighter-toned pieces would also be very welcome, as would anything
featuring 'the girls' ie Jenna, Cally, Dayna, Soolin, Servalan ... you
remember them?
And to clarify, 'mixed' also means 'gen welcome' ...
Cheers folks
Tavia
--When the fire and the rose are one
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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 17:52:41 +0100
From: Tavia Chalcraft <tavia@btinternet.com>
To: 'Lysator mailing list' <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Selected episodes (Vericon)
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Re Una's perceptive thoughts on Star One:
When it comes down to it, _if_ one is trying to make converts, then showing
them a damn good episode, that makes many different people's top 10 lists,
that contains all of: adventure + science fiction + angst + drama + B-A
[[and hints of B/A]] + sparkling dialogue + concern for social consequences
of one's actions + Avon on a particularly good hair day + a cliff-hanger
ending &c&c... might just be a good thing.
If it spoils the drama a bit to have missed the run-up, well, at least the
new fan stands a chance of seeing the run-up, whereas if you show them an
ep they hate ... Actually, wasn't I one of the people who said 'no, not
Star One'...? Damn ... there goes any chance of appearing logical and
consistent ...
Tavia
--When the fire and the rose are one
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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 18:08:44 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: "'Lysator mailing list'" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Selected episodes (Vericon)
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Tavia:
> Re Una's perceptive thoughts on Star One:
Well, Camille Bacon-Smith's, to be fair.
> When it comes down to it, _if_ one is trying to make converts, then
showing
> them a damn good episode, that makes many different people's top 10
lists,
> that contains all of: adventure + science fiction + angst + drama + B-A
> [[and hints of B/A]] + sparkling dialogue + concern for social
consequences
> of one's actions + Avon on a particularly good hair day
And the jacket. Don't forget the jacket.
> + a cliff-hanger
> ending &c&c... might just be a good thing.
That's the basic idea: 'Star One' is B7 at its very best. Let 'em have it.
> If it spoils the drama a bit to have missed the run-up, well, at least
the
> new fan stands a chance of seeing the run-up, whereas if you show them an
> ep they hate ... Actually, wasn't I one of the people who said 'no, not
> Star One'...? Damn ... there goes any chance of appearing logical and
> consistent ...
We aim to confuse.
Una
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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 08:02:33 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Call for fiction for new B7 zine
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From: Tavia Chalcraft <tavia@btinternet.com>
> I haven't noticed a lack of submissions in the past 48 hours. Anything
but.
> Torrent more like. I suspect that your reputation may scare potentials off
> whereas sweet little fluffy bunny rabbit Tavia ...
Chuck her a carrot, someone.
> Or maybe you are just a
> lot more picky about what you accept than I am ??
If anything your restrictions are tighter than mine. I suspect my blanket
ban on Bad Science might be to blame. Either that or it's personal.
> Actually one of the
> reasons for banning humour was that it appears to be 'common knowledge'
> that 'that Neil bloke' likes humour, so I thought I'd try not to queer
your
> pitch too much.
If I've got such a reputation then it's probably my own fault, since some of
my material has had something of a frivolous slant. But I don't like all
humour, only certain kinds. I returned part I of Soldiers of Love to Judith
after listening to only half of it. I found it resolutely unfunny. If my
first two zines contained a lot of humour, that's because people sent me
humorous stuff. I prefer to run serious fiction.
> I'm worried about getting a chorus of (something like) 'you mangy tosser,
> your story xyz on FC was *** so what right have you got to lecture to us'.
> But then everyone in B7 fandom is so nice, they wouldn't do that, now
would
> they?
No, they wouldn't, you pustulous web-footed reptile.
> >especially with artsy writers who are deliberately breaking the rules
>
> You mean like starting every other sentence with 'and' ?
There are some editors who have some very firm ideas about how the English
language should be used. And starting sentences with conjunctions is one of
the things that can raise their hackles. Others may urge you not to
gratuitously split infinitives. Such things I personally do not on insist.
One thing I do tend to alter is unwitting Americanisms. These are usually
'comitted' (I mean, we're talking about some serious criminality here) by US
writers who are unaware of how British usage might differ. The US writers
I've tackled on this point have been unanimously happy for me to make any
necessary changes, which I would only do for dialogue spoken by the series
characters, not originals or in the main narrative prose.
Neil
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Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 07:16:56 +1100
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Call for fiction for new B7 zine
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On Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 08:32:29PM +0100, Neil Faulkner wrote:
> The hardest part of editing, I find, is getting a story to finish neatly on
> the end of the page. If it falls a bit short, no great problem, but if it
> runs a few lines over then you can be in for a serious headache.
Long live desktop publishing programs, plus the ability to chuck in
your own illos, and one can usually jiggle it so that it fits. If all
else fails, one can tweak the size of the font or suchlike.
Kathryn Andersen
(supposed to be doing illos for Staked Blake...)
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Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 17:51:34 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Cc: Freedom City <freedom-city@blakes-7.org>
Subject: [B7L] Brian Croucher in Oliver
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Brian Croucher will be at the Marlowe Theatre, Canterbury from Tues 26 Sept to
Sat 30 Sept playing Fagin in Oliver.
The show is based on the musical and Brian gets to sing a couple of songs.
The show is almost completely sold out; if you want to see it, Thursday matinee
is your best chance unless there are any returns and there's only about 20
tickets left for that performance.
box office is 0122 7787787
Judith
PS. Thanks to Alan Stevens for the information.
PPS. I've got a flyer for Lenin in Love and I'll get it up on the web site
shortly.
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Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/
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