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blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 267
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L] Re: editing [ "Dana Shilling" <dshilling@worldnet ]
Re: [B7L] Re: editing Re: [B7L] Re: [ Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net> ]
[B7L] Re-Introduction [ Sestina94@aol.com ]
Cultures (was Re: [B7L] Re: editing) [ Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana. ]
[B7L] Star Four [ Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com ]
Re: [B7L] Zine Bindings [ "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl> ]
[B7L] a couple of questions ... [ "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com ]
Re: [B7L] a couple of questions ... [ "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl> ]
RE: [B7L] Zine Bindings [ Louise Rutter <Louise.Rutter@btinte ]
RE: [B7L] a couple of questions ... [ Louise Rutter <Louise.Rutter@btinte ]
Re: [B7L] Re: editing [ Tavia Chalcraft <tavia@btinternet.c ]
Re: [B7L] Zine Bindings [ Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana. ]
[B7L] is this a sneaky B7 thing? [ "Alison Page" <alison@alisonpage.de ]
Re: [B7L] Zine Bindings [ Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com ]
Re: [B7L] Re-Introduction [ Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com ]
[B7L] more Brian Croucher [ Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com ]
[B7L] Peter Miles [ Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com ]
[B7L] Cult TV [ Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com ]
Re: [B7L] Re: editing [ Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com ]
Re: [B7L] Re: editing [ Jacqueline Thijsen <inquisitioner@w ]
Re: [B7L] Zine Bindings [ "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl> ]
Re: [B7L] Selected episodes (Vericon [ padme@bantha.org (Clavda) ]
Re: Cultures (was Re: [B7L] Re: edit [ "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.co ]
Re: [B7L] Zine Bindings [ "huh" <huh@ccm.net> ]
Re: [B7L] Re: editing [ Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana. ]
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Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 21:47:21 -0400
From: "Dana Shilling" <dshilling@worldnet.att.net>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: editing
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Funny, I just e-mailed an editor about this.
Helen Krummenacker said:
> >
> As a writer who generally is prose-protective, I would like to say this
> is the kind of editing I love.
> A friend explained to me I should have Severus Snape refer to a
> ballpoint pen as a 'biro'. That's a Britisicsm I did not know the
> meaning of until a few days ago, and I was quite grateful. For all my
> Anglophiliac reading, I can only know so much about another culture.
It's true that contemporary Britons write with "biros" but I'm not sure
that, say, citizens of Albian will not write with "inkscratchers,"
"lectrostats,"
"styli," or for that matter "ballpoint pens." This is especially true for
fanfics in non-canonical settings.
-(Y)
>
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Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 18:15:39 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: editing
Re: [B7L] Re: editing
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Re: [B7L] Re: editing
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> IMHO, one should just leave the spelling to one's native spelling, and
> only worry about turns of phrase and vocabulary issues and other
> culture-specific items.
Actually, since I grew up on English books I prefer colour to color and
so forth. (Although other spelling differences like shew instead of show
don't seem as natural so I suppose I'm only being inconsistent.) I used
to get marked down on school papers because I couldn't remember to write
like an American-- but I would always try to argue that I used good
English on my paper, just not good American.
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Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 23:31:26 EDT
From: Sestina94@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re-Introduction
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Hello All,
Just a quick note to re-introduce myself to the list (I've recently
re-joined) and to send warm greetings to B7 fans one and all.
My name is Pat C. and I'm and English Teacher living in New Jersey, USA. I
first saw B7 in 1987 on public TV in Chicago where I was born and raised and
have been a rabid fan ever since. It's only been in the last two years or so
since I been connected to fandom online, but my favorite characters remain
Blake, Avon and Cally and I am especially interested in the Blake-Avon
dynamic as well as the political aspects of plot. I haven't written any
fanfic but enjoy reading it and am probably a better analyst (critic and
essayist) than a creative writer.
Looking forward to reading and responding to some excellent posts.
Yours in B7,
Ses
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Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 15:42:15 +1100
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Cultures (was Re: [B7L] Re: editing)
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On Sat, Sep 23, 2000 at 09:47:21PM -0400, Dana Shilling wrote:
> Funny, I just e-mailed an editor about this.
>
> Helen Krummenacker said:
> > >
> > A friend explained to me I should have Severus Snape refer to a
> > ballpoint pen as a 'biro'. That's a Britisicsm I did not know the
> > meaning of until a few days ago, and I was quite grateful. For all my
> > Anglophiliac reading, I can only know so much about another culture.
> It's true that contemporary Britons write with "biros" but I'm not sure
> that, say, citizens of Albian will not write with "inkscratchers,"
> "lectrostats,"
> "styli," or for that matter "ballpoint pens." This is especially true for
> fanfics in non-canonical settings.
Do you mean non-cannonical or non-contemporary?
I agree, in a far future setting like B7, a citizen of Albian could
well write with a stylus -- and, indeed, it would seem odd to have a
citizen of Albian write with a "biro" or a "ballpoint pen" -- they'd
probably just write with a "pen".
I never really worried about cultural phrases until I started writing
in a fandom that had a contemporary US setting, and therefore I had to
try to use Americanisms, and not unwittingly use Australianisms.
Wheras with B7, I never really worried about it.
I think, no matter what the setting, one needs to try to avoid using
phrases and objects which are obviously out of place. But in a
far-future setting, it's easier to tell what might be out of place,
since what we see is what is there, wheras with a contemporary
setting, there will be lots of things there that a non-native won't
know about.
With a far-future setting you have to try to avoid anything obviously
contemporary, while, yes, keeping in mind the base culture (whether it
be US or British or something else). But someone talking about a
"biro" will look equally odd in B7 or in Trek, despite that one is
British and the other is USA-ian.
On the other hand a non-native in a contemporary setting can get
tripped up by little things, like the fact that in the USA, phones
don't ring out (that is, stop ringing after a few minutes), or that
newspapers are bought from vending machines, or all the different
vocabularies, of food in particular. That is the kind of thing that
only a native would spot.
Kathryn Andersen
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
"I was tracking your movements through history. I wasn't expecting
to run into you on Kings Cross station."
"Something of a coincidence."
"Isn't it just."
-- Kadiatu and The Doctor
(Doctor Who - the New Adventures: "Transit" by Ben Aaronovitch)
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Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 21:38:58 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Star Four
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There is something absolutely delightful about typing in proof corrections on a
story whose entire point is it's lack of spelling and grammar <grin>.
I'm doing Una's corrections for Neil's Molesworth story (which now has cartoons
and ink blots contributed by Andrew Williams - Avon in NHS specs suspended
upsidedown over a vat of acid has especial appeal) and it's fun putting a full
stop after a line of deeply meaningful dialogue like "Grnnn hnarr nyaroowww".
I should add that all the deliberate mistakes have been left in their pristine
glory <grin>.
The zine's almost there now. Around 120 pages and all the stories are in and
most of the layout's done and I'm struggling through the proof corrections and
Richard's helping clean up the scans of the artwork.
If all goes well, a few more weeks should see it at the copy shop.
Once that's safely done, I'll be looking for stories for a web zine. We're
going to start a library on the hermit website. We're happy to have older out
of print stories for the library and are also happy to have stories that appear
elsewhere on the web. The aim will be to provide multiple ways of indexing the
library so that people can select stories on the basis of author or content. If
we get it right (and obviously if we have enough variety of material) you should
be able to ask for humorous stories, or short stories, or even Post Gauda Prime
stories that have Blake in them.
We would also like new stories for 'The Hermit's Journal'. As readers will have
the option of selecting or deselecting adult stories (ie. you can say you don't
want to see adult material and they'll never even appear on the selection
offered), we're happy to consider stories of any nature.
If you've a story you'd like to submit, drop me a line.
Judith
--
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pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth
Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.knightwriter.org )
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Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 09:49:27 +0200
From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
To: "B7 List" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Zine Bindings
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Mistral wrote:
>I'm curious as to what sort of bindings people prefer on their
zines and why? I like the spiral bound because they lie flat, but
don't break or crimp the pages as easily as comb-bound. What
do others like?<
I too prefer spiral bindings, because you can fold the zine back all the way
and hold it easily in one hand. (I like to read in bed and zines you can't
hold properly are a pain.) The next best thing are the small, stapled zines
from Horizon and the Avon club. They're easy to hold, but sometimes they
have too many pages for the staples, and the pages in the centre get loose.
But that's something that can be fixed with a sharp needle and strong
thread.
Marian
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Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 08:40:43 GMT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] a couple of questions ...
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Could anyone tell me -
1. In The Way Back, Vila says "I've had my head adjusted by some of the best
in the business. But it just won't stay adjusted."
Does anyone recall any other canonical references to this - in particular
(since this indicates it was tried more than once) how many times or how
seriously Vila was 'adjusted'? (I;'ve always assumed that he didn't get the
full treatment Blake did, as a petty criminal rather than a political, but
have realised I don't seem to have *proof* of that).
2. On the subject of compulsive theiving, can anyone tell me a British bird
that steals things?
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Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 11:21:14 +0200
From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] a couple of questions ...
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Sally asked:
>Could anyone tell me -
>1. In The Way Back, Vila says "I've had my head adjusted by some of the
best in the business. But it just won't stay adjusted."
>Does anyone recall any other canonical references to this - in particular
(since this indicates it was tried more than once) how many times or how
seriously Vila was 'adjusted'? (I;'ve always assumed that he didn't get the
full treatment Blake did, as a petty criminal rather than a political, but
have realised I don't seem to have *proof* of that).<
It's one of those things that are brought up and then never mentioned again.
>2. On the subject of compulsive theiving, can anyone tell me a British bird
that steals things?<
A question for Neil, methinks :-)
Marian
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Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 09:55:36 +-100
From: Louise Rutter <Louise.Rutter@btinternet.com>
To: 'B7 Lysator' <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: RE: [B7L] Zine Bindings
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Mistral wrote:
>I'm curious as to what sort of bindings people prefer on their
>zines and why? I like the spiral bound because they lie flat, but
>don't break or crimp the pages as easily as comb-bound. What
>do others like?
The same, for the same reasons. I find it really helps if a zine lies flat voluntarily as I often read them in bed.
Louise
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Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 10:00:50 +-100
From: Louise Rutter <Louise.Rutter@btinternet.com>
To: 'B7 Lysator' <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: RE: [B7L] a couple of questions ...
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>1. In The Way Back, Vila says "I've had my head adjusted by some of the >best in the business. But it just won't stay adjusted."
As far as I can remember, this was never mentioned again - probably best to double check with the Sevencyclpaedia on Judith's site.
>2. On the subject of compulsive theiving, can anyone tell me a British bird
>that steals things?
Traditionally, that's a magpie - and they definitely have a keen interest in anything shiny.
Louise
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Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 13:02:41 +0100
From: Tavia Chalcraft <tavia@btinternet.com>
To: 'Lysator mailing list' <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: editing
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Re various posts relating to the ballpoint pen vs biro question
Actually this particular English culture vulture would call the icky
devices either with equal facility -- if, that is, she owned one. I truly
hope that they don't survive another 10 years let alone nearly that many
centuries, however. In one recent story I tried to give the impression that
Avon essentially wrote with a stylus on some kind of super palm pilot
thingummygubbins.
This is really tricky, I never realised there were so many differences
between US and UK cultures till I started this doomed little game-ette. I
agree with Dana and Kathryn, the best ploy in Blake's Seven seems to be to
try to avoid too many overtly 21st Century references and make things up
whole cloth.
Kathryn commented that in the US:
>phones don't ring out (that is, stop ringing after a few minutes),
In which continent do they exhibit this strange feature ?
Tavia
--When the fire and the rose (and the US and UK spelling) are one
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Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:41:32 +1100
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Zine Bindings
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On Sat, Sep 23, 2000 at 04:46:50PM -0700, mistral@centurytel.net wrote:
> I'm curious as to what sort of bindings people prefer on their
> zines and why? I like the spiral bound because they lie flat, but
> don't break or crimp the pages as easily as comb-bound. What
> do others like?
Actually, on the rare occassions when someone does it this way, I
prefer "perfect binding" I think it's called. Or staples with bound
edges (or those plastic strips on the spine). That's because they sit
better in my shelves, and inside my bag when I'm reading them. I
don't tend to lay them out flat when I'm reading them, but read them
like a book. I don't like the way comb bindings get tangled up with
each other, and stick out wider than the actual zine. And I agree
that the pages don't seem to turn as easily with comb. Spiral
bindings are a good compromise.
(Thought I'd pipe up because everyone seems to go for spiral bindings,
and I thought I'd better reveal that not everyone thinks that way.)
Staples are only good if the zine isn't that thick, of course.
They do have the advantage of being cheap, which is important if you
want to bring the price of the zine down.
Kathryn Andersen
(who uses staples)
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"Try to look on the bright side. It must have something. None of the
guests have ever left early. In fact, none of them have ever left at
all."
-- Vila Restal, on Cygnus Alpha (Blake's 7: The Way Back [A1])
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Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 18:53:04 +0100
From: "Alison Page" <alison@alisonpage.demon.co.uk>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] is this a sneaky B7 thing?
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I've just been reading a 'police procedural' thriller, set in rural Iowa,
about a sheriff's deputy investigating a multiple murder in a remote
farmhouse. It's written by a guy who actually *was* a sheriff's deputy in
rural Iowa, so you get the picture.
Anyway, the whole book is about the search for this total psychopath. Here
are some of the descriptions of him, from witnesses.
'ex-military, a complete sociopath'
'a killing machine'
'moves like a cat.. very fast'
'withdrawn from human society'
'bears a grudge'
'driven by the need for revenge'
And so-on in familiar vein. Anyway, you can guess why I am posting. Yes,
when the guy is finally tracked down he is living under the alias 'Travis'.
Is this a coincidence? We were talking on the other list about whether one
in a thousand people in the USA have even heard of Blakes 7, so it seems
strange either way, either as coincidence or as deliberate reference.
A further piece of evidence is that, completely inexplicably, when 'Travis'
kills the guy he wants revenge on, he cuts his hand off post-mortem, and
keeps it. The hand is never found and this action is never explained in the
plot, it's just a piece of gratuitous weirdness.
So, am I seeing B7 where it is not, or not?
Alison
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Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 08:39:48 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Zine Bindings
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On Sun 24 Sep, mistral@centurytel.net wrote:
> I'm curious as to what sort of bindings people prefer on their
> zines and why? I like the spiral bound because they lie flat, but
> don't break or crimp the pages as easily as comb-bound. What
> do others like?
I prefer spiral to comb binding. The corners of combs can be rather sharp, and
I do think spiral binding is less damaging to the pages, though you do still
get some damage. If you own a binder, then that may make cost the deciding
factor as to what is used.
Staples are the cheapest form, but they make it a real pig to open the pages. I
only do two stapled zines - Cheeseboard and Coin (though if there was sufficient
interest in another print run and Neil gave me the masters for Stadler Link and
Pressure Point, then I'd do those stapled too as that's how Neil's always done
them)
I use fastback binding myself. That's a glue binding, rather like a paperback
book, with a tape along the spine. That has the pro of the zines almost never
getting damaged because they pack really well in boxes and on shelves, but they
don't open flat as nicely as spiral bound zines. Having a choice of tape colour
can be a bonus when designing the overall look of the zine.
Digest zines are best with a centre staple. The argument there is over whether
you trim the page edges or not. Trimmed looks neater when the zine is closed,
but when you read the stories, the margin size gradually changes and I find that
a bit disconcerting.
There's also the kind of thermal binding where you use a plastic cover that has
the glue for the spine already in it. They can look quite nice and appear the
same as fastback binding at first sight.
I've listed all the ones I know about and their pros and cons for
publishers as well as readers for Tavia's benefit as it's quite a maze deciding
what to use. The things to take into account are readability, appearance and
cost (and VAT in the UK can have unexpected effects upon the latter).
Judith
PS. Tavia, when deciding what bindings to use, find what your office can offer.
YOu may find your options very restricted there, but if you go to a copy shop,
you'll have to pay VAT if they only do the binding. There is no VAT on books,
but there is VAT on copying and binding if done separately.
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Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 10:14:22 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re-Introduction
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Hello Pat,
Great to see you back again!
I remember your interests in the political aspects.
I was watching Rumours of Death this morning on UK Gold (missed the scene of
Avon in the prison cell due to a bad connection on the back of the satellite box
<grrr>) and was wondering if Anna Grant's revolution would have stood a chance
if Avon hadn't arrived on the scene. (For the purposes of argument, one can
assume that Major Grenlee did/didn't get the alarm raised)
And did Anna intend to sieze power herself or establish a 'people's council'? I
rather incline towards the former. She was cold-blooded and a good actress.
Judith
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Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 13:16:54 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Cc: Freedom City <freedom-city@blakes-7.org>
Subject: [B7L] more Brian Croucher
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It's a busy year for Brian Croucher...
He'll be appearing in panto playing Alderman Fitzwarren and the Sultan of
Morocco in Dick Whittington at the Palace Theatre, Alcester St, Redditch,
Worcester from Tues Decembe2 12 to Sunday January 7.
box office 01527 65203
Thanks to Alan Stevens for the above.
Judith
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Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 13:22:47 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Cc: Freedom City <freedom-city@blakes-7.org>
Subject: [B7L] Peter Miles
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Peter Miles who played Secretary Rontane in two Blakes 7 episodes (and was
interviewed in Zenith) will be peforming in 'The Great American Songbook' at
Wimbledon Theatre on Sunday 8th October at 8pm.
tickets are 10 -12 pounds and the box office number is 0208 5400362
Thanks to Alan Stevens for the above. Alan's not totally sure what sort of
music it covers, but says he's sure Peter has sung jazz at some point and that
he'd expect a wide range of American songs from past to present.
Judith
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Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/
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Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 11:42:47 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Cc: Freedom City <freedom-city@blakes-7.org>
Subject: [B7L] Cult TV
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Martin Bower is no longer able to make Cult TV this year, but Gareth Thomas
(Blake), Stephen Greif (Travis1) and Roger Murray Leach (production designer)
are still fine.
It's usually a good weekend. A con I'd recommend even if it didn't have B7
guests.
See www.culttv.net or follow the link from my website.
Judith
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Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/
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Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 08:17:46 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: editing
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On Sun 24 Sep, Helen Krummenacker wrote:
> > IMHO, one should just leave the spelling to one's native spelling, and
> > only worry about turns of phrase and vocabulary issues and other
> > culture-specific items.
>
> Actually, since I grew up on English books I prefer colour to color and
> so forth. (Although other spelling differences like shew instead of show
> don't seem as natural so I suppose I'm only being inconsistent.)
Well, that's what I call 'Jane Austen' English - 'show' is the norm in the UK in
any case, so you are being consistent <smile>.
Judith
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Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/
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Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 21:06:11 +0200
From: Jacqueline Thijsen <inquisitioner@wish.net>
To: 'Lysator mailing list' <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: editing
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At 13:02 24-9-00 +0100, Tavia Chalcraft wrote:
>Kathryn commented that in the US:
> >phones don't ring out (that is, stop ringing after a few minutes),
>
>In which continent do they exhibit this strange feature ?
In Holland the phones stop ringing after 15 times. (You'd start counting,
too, if you were bored enough.) I don't know why they do this, but I think
it's bloody annoying. Especially when you're trying to call an office when
you *know* someone's there, but they just don't feel like answering the phone.
Jacqueline
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Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 21:24:35 +0200
From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
To: "Lysator List" <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Zine Bindings
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Judith wrote:
>Staples are the cheapest form, but they make it a real pig to open the
pages. I only do two stapled zines - Cheeseboard and Coin (though if there
was sufficient interest in another print run and Neil gave me the masters
for Stadler Link and Pressure Point, then I'd do those stapled too as that's
how Neil's always done them)<
Well, I'd be interested in Stadler Link. (I was very glad to obtain one of
the last copies of Pressure Point - lots of good stories IMO.)
>I use fastback binding myself. That's a glue binding, rather like a
paperback book, with a tape along the spine. That has the pro of the zines
almost never getting damaged because they pack really well in boxes and on
shelves, but they don't open flat as nicely as spiral bound zines.<
I consider this the worst kind of binding. You need two hands and sometimes
a lot of force to keep the pages open, which makes it impossible to read the
zine in bed. Also, some of my fastback bound zines have the printing so far
towards the inner margin that the text almost disappears under the binding,
which makes them difficult to read under any circumstances.
Personally, having not much money to spend on zines, I prefer the cheapest
form.
Marian
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Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 15:41:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: padme@bantha.org (Clavda)
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Selected episodes (Vericon)
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Thank you very much, everyone who chimed in on this question. I haven't
actually re-watched much of the series lately (in anticipation of our group
going through the series over this academic year, starting Tuesday right
after the Buffy/Angel season premiere *grin*), but I know that there are
folks here who can argue the pros and cons of every episode in wonderful
detail.
[ In trying to reach a decision, I've found I have very mixed loyalties.
I have to choose what's best for the con-goers, but I'm very reluctant
to spoil anything for the people volunteering the con who will be around
the end of season two by that point. ]
[ On the other hand, if this con is going to run at all well, they won't
have time to be in the video room, particularly at specific hours if I
warn them off. So okay, I'll dismiss that worry. :) But I find that
I was worried about spoiling intense character moments (Rumours, City,
Terminal) rather than plot points (character deaths, season transitions). ]
So first off, I guess I *have* to show Star One (oh the torture!). Thanks
to everyone, and especially to Una for Camille Bacon-Smith's comments on
the subject.
So now the question is whether to do it with the couple episodes before
or the couple episodes after, to give several early episodes to give
Star One a context, or to give people a smattering of all four seasons.
Judith commented that very few people are going to sit in a video room
for several hours straight at a con, so I'll give up on continuous
shots except for maybe the first two episodes.
I'm interested that a few folks recommended Redemption. It works well
with Orac, but I've always found the Altas more than usually cheesy
for Blake's 7. Of course, I mentioned Orac-Redemption as a possibility
myself.
Well. For a plot-wise introduction to the series, I think I'd do
The Way Back-Space Fall, Seek-Locate-Destroy, Star One (then perhaps
Death-Watch, Sand or Gold if I can sneak in a fifth episode). This gives
short shrift to the later characters, but gives us Servalan and Travis,
and individually strong episodes (I'm not sure many third or fourth
season episodes really work excellently in isolation).
For individually strong episodes, I'd do SDL, Star One, Rumours, and
Sand, Gold or Orbit. If I can do a fifth, Breakdown or Shadow. I have
mixed feelings about Orbit for people who don't already know the
characters well, but they'll definitely get a lot out of it, just not
every drop of conflict and angst.
So there's my choice. Further feedback is welcome, but I think I'll
just wait a few days and one or the other will jump out at me.
I notice no-one selected Breakdown, which I consider a strong episode--
except for the awkward laughter at the end and that poor David Jackson
didn't get to actually act much. It has fine Avon and (separately)
Blake moments, that seem to me to get to the root of their tug-of-war
without directly stating it. Jenna gets to be a real pilot. And I
quite like Julian Glover. Am I missing something WRT this episode?
Thanks again!
Claudia
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"I am, you know."
"What?"
"Yours." -- Willow and Tara, 'Who Are You?'
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Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:30:47 EST
From: "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: Cultures (was Re: [B7L] Re: editing)
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>From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
>don't ring out (that is, stop ringing after a few minutes), or that
>newspapers are bought from vending machines,
<smile> That reminds me of something I read in one of the papers - an
American saw a box marked Australia Post and went looking for money, only to
find it was for sending letters.
I'm not sure we go in for "Post" as part of Australian newspaper mastheads.
Plenty of "Herald"s, though.
Regards
Joanne
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Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 18:39:14 -0500
From: "huh" <huh@ccm.net>
To: "Lysator List" <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Zine Bindings
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> Well, I'd be interested in Stadler Link. (I was very glad to obtain one
of
> the last copies of Pressure Point - lots of good stories IMO.)
I'd be intersted in both of these so if it ever comes up I'll be glad to
buy.
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Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:12:46 +1100
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: editing
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On Sun, Sep 24, 2000 at 09:06:11PM +0200, Jacqueline Thijsen wrote:
> At 13:02 24-9-00 +0100, Tavia Chalcraft wrote:
>
> >Kathryn commented that in the US:
> > >phones don't ring out (that is, stop ringing after a few minutes),
> >
> >In which continent do they exhibit this strange feature ?
>
> In Holland the phones stop ringing after 15 times. (You'd start counting,
> too, if you were bored enough.) I don't know why they do this, but I think
> it's bloody annoying. Especially when you're trying to call an office when
> you *know* someone's there, but they just don't feel like answering the phone.
Ah, so they do it in Holland as well as Australia, do they?
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