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blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 269
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L] Typesetting preferences [ "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com ]
Re: [B7L] Zine Bindings [ Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana. ]
Re: [B7L] Rumours of Death question [ "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.co ]
Re: [B7L] Typesetting preferences [ "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.n ]
Re: [B7L] Re: Vila the incorrigible. [ "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.n ]
Re: [B7L] is this a sneaky B7 thing? [ "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.n ]
Re: [B7L] Typesetting preferences [ "Dana Shilling" <dshilling@worldnet ]
Re: [B7L] Re: Vila the incorrigible. [ "Dana Shilling" <dshilling@worldnet ]
Re: [B7L] Rumours of Death question [ "Dana Shilling" <dshilling@worldnet ]
Re: [B7L] Re: editing [ "Dana Shilling" <dshilling@worldnet ]
[B7L] Re: Neil's conspiracy theories [ B7Morrigan@aol.com ]
[B7L] Re: unlovable Avon [ Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net> ]
[B7L] Introduction [ "Lisa Rowland" <hkfilmfan@home.com> ]
Re: [B7L] Introduction [ Penny Dreadful <pennydreadful@power ]
Re: [B7L] Zine Bindings [ Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com ]
Re: [B7L] Typesetting preferences [ Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com ]
Re: [B7L] Typesetting preferences [ Steve Kilbane <steve@whitecrow.demo ]
Re: [B7L] Introduction [ mistral@centurytel.net ]
RE: [B7L] Introduction [ "Rhonda L. Stroud" <rstroud@uswest. ]
Re: [B7L] Re: Neil's conspiracy theo [ "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.n ]
Re: [B7L] Introduction [ "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl> ]
Re: [B7L] Re: editing [ "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl> ]
Re: [B7L] Re: Neil's conspiracy theo [ B7Morrigan@aol.com ]
Re: [B7L] Re: editing [ B7Morrigan@aol.com ]
[B7L] B7 mentioning [ "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl> ]
Re: [B7L] is this a sneaky B7 thing? [ Susan Moore <Susan.Moore@uni.edu> ]
Re: [B7L] Re: Neil's conspiracy theo [ Murray <mjsmith@tcd.ie> ]
[B7L] Brian Croucher [ Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com ]
[B7L] Brian as Fagin [ Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com ]
[B7L] Mary Ridge [ Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com ]
[B7L] Re: [OT] The Princess Bride [ B7Morrigan@aol.com ]
[B7L] Introduction [ "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com ]
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Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 20:29:48 GMT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Typesetting preferences
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Tavia wrote:
<Someone recently suggested re ttba that, in typesetting an eclectic bunch
of stories, it would be nice to have different styles of typography/layout,
so for eg, a romantic, slushy story would get a different typographical
treatment from a hard-edged, violent story.>
FWIW, and purely from my own preferences ...
I'd go for the same basic font (the simplest, cleanest, easiest to read you
have) and layout, to be as un-distracting as possible. You could always have
different styles of titles and headers/footers.
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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:29:16 +1100
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Zine Bindings
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On Mon, Sep 25, 2000 at 05:56:36AM -0700, mistral@centurytel.net wrote:
>
>
> Kathryn Andersen wrote:
>
> > Actually, on the rare occassions when someone does it this way, I
> > prefer "perfect binding" I think it's called.
>
> I've seen that advertised, but what is it exactly?
Well, I think it's the one that Judith was talking about -- glue and
tape. The same kind of thing that normal paperbacks are bound with.
> > Staples are only good if the zine isn't that thick, of course.
> > They do have the advantage of being cheap, which is important if you
> > want to bring the price of the zine down.
>
> Oh, cheap is good. Durability is important, too, since zines can
> sometimes get passed around and resold several times. I was
> just thinking more in terms of what's most pleasurable to read.
The important thing with staples is to get a large enough staple for
the thickness of the zine, otherwise the pages start falling off (or
out). If you bind the edges with cloth tape (or with those plastic
thingies) then that improves the durability and appearance. I usually
do that with my personal copies of zines.
Kathryn Andersen
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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 08:18:17 EST
From: "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Rumours of Death question
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>From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
>Shouldn't that be 'loving' man instead of 'lovable'? Doesn't lovable >mean
>someone who can be loved rather than someone who does love? It >feels to
>me that Vila's use of the word lovable would have been >correct if Dayna
>had said: "You've killed someone who loved him." >But the point here is
>that Avon loved her, so is 'lovable' correct or >not in this context?
Well, he isn't referred to as the Snarly One for nothing. There may be other
minor unspeakablenesses (coining words now...) that weren't shown on screen!
Then again, I'm only suggesting this because I woke up at 4am with this filk
fragment floating through my mind:
I am warm
Hear me snore
So loudly it's heard through the door
<shudder> My apologies to Helen Reddy...
Regards
Joanne
(who had a hard time going back to sleep after that)
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Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:44:55 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Typesetting preferences
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From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
> > What do people think? Does this make you think 'icky DTP amateur' or
'nice
> > combination of prose and typography' ? Would this be something that
might
> > work better for a webzine than a printzine?
>
> Keep it simple, keep it consistent. What I've done myself is keep all
> the prose in the same font, and done the change of style for the
> opening Title. So the title bit of a hard-edged violent story would
> be in a hard-edged violent font, and the title bit of a romantic
> slushy story would be a girly romantic kind of font. (I also use a
> caligraphic font for the poetry, but as you aren't having any poetry,
> that is a moot point.)
Pretty much what I did with Pressure Point. I used the same font throughout
(something called Cooper, which is bolder and hence easier to read, IMO,
than Times New Roman), except for titles when I picked an
appropriate-looking font where something particular was indicated. If I
used a dropped cap for the first sentence, I would put that in the title
font. Another was used for editorial asides. Chris Blenkarn's story was in
the form of a diary, so I used a scripty font for the names of the days.
But I generally go by the principle that you don't have to use all those
fonts just because they're there on your hard drive.
Talking of Pressure Point:
> >though if there was sufficient interest in another print run and Neil
gave
> >me the masters for Stadler Link and Pressure Point, then I'd do those
> >stapled too as that's how Neil's always done them)
>
> Someone should persuade Neil he really wants Judith to reprint these ...
and:
>> Well, I'd be interested in Stadler Link. (I was very glad to obtain one
of
>> the last copies of Pressure Point - lots of good stories IMO.)
>I'd be intersted in both of these so if it ever comes up I'll be glad to
buy.
I'm beginning to suspect a conspiracy. But of what kind? Are they trying
to imply that yes, they do want the zines reprinted in the hope that I will
oblige? Or, are they more subtle, more manipulative, hoping to provoke a
stubborn resistance within my mind that will refuse to allow a reprint, thus
furthering their greater goal of banishing my zines from the face of the
Earth? Or ... Do they instead intend that such a stubborn refusal would
lead me to think that I was unwittingly complying with their evil schemes,
thus prompting me to thwart them by sending the masters to Judith post
haste, and hence enslaving myself to their explicitly stated desires?
Alternatively, they might be trying to get me thinking that that is their
plan, by making it so transparent that I could only satisfy their hidden
agenda by refusing to authorise any kind of reprint whatsoever. On the
other hand, that might be exactly what they want me to think.
I shall have to ponder this matter further.
Neil
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Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:55:32 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Vila the incorrigible.
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From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
> I believe magpies are in Britain as well as all over the place. But Neil
> is the expert for this and I should le t him answer.
I think they're more or less holarctic, ie they're found right across the
northern hemisphere, certainly across Eurasia to Japan and down into
Indochina. In north America this species is known as the Black-billed
Magpie. There's also a Yellow-billed Magpie in North America, which as far
as I know is unique to that continent. There's at least one other magpie,
the Azure-Winged, which doesn't look remotely like the others (it's not
black and white, anyway), but is very pretty rare and rather uncommon. And
I've seen some so there!
Oddly, for such a noisy and abundant species, I can't recall hearing one in
any episode of B7.
Neil
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Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:48:08 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] is this a sneaky B7 thing?
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From: Una McCormack <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
> What about De Niro's loony character in 'Taxi Driver'? Isn't he called
> Travis?
Apparently he was the source of inspiration for a certain indie group in
desperate need of a name for themselves. I recently listened attentively to
a World Service programme on Travis, the band, to see if any mention might
be made of a certain TV series, only to be disappointed.
Neil
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Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 18:55:02 -0400
From: "Dana Shilling" <dshilling@worldnet.att.net>
To: "'Lysator mailing list'" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Typesetting preferences
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Tavia asked:
> Someone recently suggested re ttba that, in typesetting an eclectic bunch
> of stories, it would be nice to have different styles of
typography/layout,
> so for eg, a romantic, slushy story would get a different typographical
> treatment from a hard-edged, violent story. Obviously one would have to
> limit the total number of designs (3 or maybe 4) and make sure that they
> fitted together well in the whole zine.
If done well, I think this is great--although it's obviously harder to make
up
three or four templates that look good together than to make up one
really good template. It sounds like you will either be not be having
illustrations
or will have limited ones, in which case variety of type can add a lot of
visual
pleasure.
>Would this be something that might
> work better for a webzine than a printzine?
Alas it is a bugger to do really good typography on any kind of Website, and
in fact better type control is a real benefit of paper publishing.
-(Y)
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Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:07:07 -0400
From: "Dana Shilling" <dshilling@worldnet.att.net>
To: "Lysator List" <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Vila the incorrigible.
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Marian said:
>
> He could have been considered a challenge - "We *will* cure this
> cleptomaniac one way or another!"
I think the writers were thinking of the Soviet Union and widespread
use of "psychiatric" therapy on dissidents and troublemakers--even
a repressive society that's not particularly affluent can find funds for
this purpose.
-(Y)
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Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:11:22 -0400
From: "Dana Shilling" <dshilling@worldnet.att.net>
To: <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Rumours of Death question
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Marian (whose English is a damn sight better than
any non-English language of mine, and quite possibly
better than MY English) asked:
> Shouldn't that be 'loving' man instead of 'lovable'? Doesn't lovable mean
> someone who can be loved rather than someone who does love? It feels to
me
> that Vila's use of the word lovable would have been correct if Dayna had
> said: "You've killed someone who loved him." But the point here is that
> Avon loved her, so is 'lovable' correct or not in this context?
It's correct in a somewhat compressed sense. I think what Vila means
is "Avon is so harsh and unfeeling that he would seldom have any chance
at getting close enough to anyone to love her."
It's a little like one of Sondheim's songs from "Company," in which one
of the numerous unfavorable comments about a friend's latest girlfriend
is "She's tall enough to be your mother."
-(Y)
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Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:13:50 -0400
From: "Dana Shilling" <dshilling@worldnet.att.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: editing
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A shorter alternative to Ellynne G. 's lovely Liberator answering machine
message:
+Idealists, poor but honest, press one now....+
But wait, why would Avon be recording the answering machine tape anyway?
Blake would insist, as Captain and Registered Owner (pro tem). Or he'd
get Cally to do it--she's the Communications Officer.
To leave a message, Press One
To take over my brain, Press Two
OK, maybe not.
Julia said:
> > I'm moving to California later this year. I have this horrible
> > feeling
> > that after a couple of years, I'm going to need British beta readers
> > to
> > de-Americanise as well as de-Australianise my writing.
Yes, and you'll have BEE-TA readers on one side of the Atlantic and
BAY-TA readers on the other.
-(Y)
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Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:23:55 EDT
From: B7Morrigan@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Neil's conspiracy theories (was Typesetting preferences)
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In a message dated 9/25/00 7:04:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
N.Faulkner@tesco.net writes:
> I'm beginning to suspect a conspiracy. But of what kind? Are they trying
> to imply that yes, they do want the zines reprinted in the hope that I will
> oblige? Or, are they more subtle, more manipulative, hoping to provoke a
> stubborn resistance within my mind that will refuse to allow a reprint,
thus
> furthering their greater goal of banishing my zines from the face of the
> Earth? Or ... Do they instead intend that such a stubborn refusal would
> lead me to think that I was unwittingly complying with their evil schemes,
> thus prompting me to thwart them by sending the masters to Judith post
> haste, and hence enslaving myself to their explicitly stated desires?
> Alternatively, they might be trying to get me thinking that that is their
> plan, by making it so transparent that I could only satisfy their hidden
> agenda by refusing to authorise any kind of reprint whatsoever. On the
> other hand, that might be exactly what they want me to think.
This SO reminds me of the scene from "The Princess Bride" where Vizzini and
the Dread Pirate Roberts have a duel of wits. It sounds very much like
Vizzini, though I imagine Neil would prefer to be the Dread Pirate Roberts.
Morrigan
"I find sometimes it's easy to be myself; sometimes, it's better to be
somebody else." Dave Matthews
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Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 17:57:50 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: unlovable Avon
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> Shouldn't that be 'loving' man instead of 'lovable'? Doesn't lovable mean
> someone who can be loved rather than someone who does love? It feels to me
> that Vila's use of the word lovable would have been correct if Dayna had
> said: "You've killed someone who loved him." But the point here is that
> Avon loved her, so is 'lovable' correct or not in this context?
>
Technically you are correctin the use of language.
Philosophicqally and logically, can one really love where one does not
believe oneself loved in return? I generally think of that sort of
hopeless longing as a crush, not love. (Your first language may not have
that form of distinction) I could never love someone who was not at
least a close friend and gave me a sense of trust and empathy. However,
I get crushes on all sorts of people. I expect Avon could not give
deeply of his emotions where there was no return. Therefore, whether he
is lovable will effect how he loves.
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Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:07:58 -0700
From: "Lisa Rowland" <hkfilmfan@home.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Introduction
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Hi all!
I thought that I'd finally de-lurk and introduce myself. My name is Lisa
Rowland and I'm an American fan. I have to admit that I resisted watching
Blake's 7 for nearly 15 years.
Why?!
Well, back in the mid-80's during college, I discovered Dr. Who. I was told
by a fellow Whovian that I ought to check out this other great British SciFi
series called Blake's 7. I told her I would. Another person overheard our
conversation and told me "you don't want to do that. It's awful! They blow
up the coolest ship then when they run out of stories, they kill off the
entire crew!" I admit that this immediately put me off. So even though it
would show up on local PBS stations or even SF conventions, I resisted.
Earlier this year, I met another Whovian who convinced me to watch "The City
on the Edge of the World". Michael Keating as Vila was wonderful! I loved
the concept of a cowardly thief, and it was good to see someone like that be
the hero and get the girl. (I found out later this was rare to focus on
Vila.) I found Tarrant to be totally obnoxious, and Avon to be intriguing.
I let me friend know this.
He, of course, knew he "had me". He then persuaded me into seeing the first
season. This helped explain the little plot holes…like who WAS Blake and
where the heck was he? After the second episode, I was hooked! My favorite
characters are Vila (of course!), Avon and the first Travis. I have to
admit that I've only seen episodes through the middle of the 3rd season
(Cally is still around), and I'm looking forward to the rest, although with
some trepidation that they're going to loose the Liberator (one of the most
interesting ships to grace a TV screen) and that the characters themselves
are going to die. Having this foreknowledge has slowed my viewing progress
somewhat.
Anyway, I hope I'll be able to make some meaningful contributions to your
discussions. The previous threads have all been very interesting. Here's a
question for you all…which actor do you prefer playing the character of
Travis, and why? Do you view the character as the SAME character, or do you
see them as individuals?
As I mentioned above, I prefer Stephen Greif's Travis. This isn't merely
because I saw him first. I find that Stephen's Travis has a lot more menace
than Brian's. His overall presence is stronger and he just "feels" more
intimidating. A friend of mine was over recently, and I showed her both
"Duel" and "Gambit". Her response was similar to mine. She said that
Stephen's Travis radiated more "power." I tend to agree with this
assessment.
Nice to meet you all!
Lisa
Seattle, WA
USA
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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 00:20:02 -0600
From: Penny Dreadful <pennydreadful@powersurfr.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Introduction
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Hello Lisa!
>which actor do you prefer playing the character of
>Travis
(Gosh I'm torn...the forces of GITHOG have been plying me with fine wines
and exotic spices, singing songs of love beneath my balcony...the least I
could do in return is...NO! SNAP OUT OF IT, PENNY!)
Croucher.
>and why?
Shinier boots.
Nah, there's a lot more to it than that, and no you cynical types it cannot
*all* be summed up in the phrase "Zenith (Available Now From Judith Proctor
At Very Reasonable Rates), pp. 42".
He's more excitingly unpredictable. He is the manic rabid poodle to Greif's
well-trained doberman. And at least in "Trial" and "Gambit" he gets to be a
bit more multifaceted than Greif ever got to be, but without losing his
reprehensibility.
>Do you view the character as the SAME character, or do you
>see them as individuals?
I see two actors playing a single character, pre- and post-mental meltdown.
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Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:29:51 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Zine Bindings
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On Mon 25 Sep, Tavia Chalcraft wrote:
> For ttba, I may well buy a cheap binder,in which case the driver will be the
> number of pages I end up with and what the el-cheapo binder catalogues happen
> to offer me. I've seen binders offered for about L80, but they may well be
> duff, I haven't investigated in detail. I may have to spiral bind because of
> the number of pages (after all my wibblings...)
Cheap comb binders may not have variable margin settings, etc. A lot depends on
what you want to do and how fit you are. Julia has experience of small thermal
binders - you could pick her brains with regard to those.
If using a comb or spiral binder, remember that different zines will use
different sizes of comb. Don't be tempted to use a slightly bigger or smaller
comb to use up old stock. The results can be pages that catch every time they
are turned.
Do try using one first if it requires punching. Old zine eds will tell you that
RSI of one form or another is not a trivial risk.
> >but if you go to a copy shop, you'll have to pay VAT if they only do the
>> binding. There is no VAT on books, but there is VAT on copying and binding
>> if done separately.
>
> By the way, Judith, I would guess (as a limited company) I will be able to
> reclaim the VAT ?
Don't see why not. That's not an option for me as I'm under the VAT turnover
threshold, but if your turnover as a company is over the VAT threshold then it
removes all the problems associated with VAT on copying. Books are zero rated
when you sell them, so no problems there.
> God I hate UK tax law, but whether one charges VAT on the output and whether
> one reclaims VAT on the input are two entirely independent questions (I spent
> days making sense of their brochure but this does seem to be the case). ie,
> If VAT on materials is a significant cost, for a UK zine publisher, it might
> just be worth setting yourself up as a limited company so that you can
> reclaim it.
Not worth it - but I do reclaim any tax losses against my husband's tax.
> BUT then you'd probably have to run your accounts through an accountant and
> unless you already do that for some other reason, that would be expensive.
I did an evening class in accounting many years ago - if nothing else, I keep
readable accounts.
One rule is keep accounts for everything. Not least, because if you know when a
zine was paid for, then you're in a better position to keep track of what went
wrong if a zine goes missing. Certificates of posting are handy too.
> [Sorry this is dull as ditch-water to all non-UK people but there may be
> mileage in suggesting forming a limited company simply for the purposes of
> reclaiming VAT to more than one UK person on this list.]
Doesn't the turnover threshold apply whatever kind of business you are? (I
could easily be wrong there) I don't think the paperwork on lots of small items
of stationary would be worth it though. Do stamps have VAT? I spend a fortune
on stamps.
Judith
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Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 18:28:45 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Typesetting preferences
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On Mon 25 Sep, Tavia Chalcraft wrote:
> Someone recently suggested re ttba that, in typesetting an eclectic bunch
> of stories, it would be nice to have different styles of typography/layout,
> so for eg, a romantic, slushy story would get a different typographical
> treatment from a hard-edged, violent story. Obviously one would have to
> limit the total number of designs (3 or maybe 4) and make sure that they
> fitted together well in the whole zine.
Ugh. I like my fonts easy to read and leave it to the story to set the mood.
>
> What do people think? Does this make you think 'icky DTP amateur' or 'nice
> combination of prose and typography' ? Would this be something that might
> work better for a webzine than a printzine?
On the web, I'm a firm believer in using whatever font the reader wants - in
other words whatever they have set their browser to display as a default. If
there's anything I really hate it is sites that set the font size and over-ride
the browser, thus making it too small for me to read easily. (I also remove the
background on 80% of sites I visit as they ruin the contrast)
Judith
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Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 22:16:49 +0200
From: Steve Kilbane <steve@whitecrow.demon.co.uk>
To: "tavia@btinternet.com" <tavia@btinternet.com>
Cc: "'Lysator mailing list'" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Typesetting preferences
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> What do people think? Does this make you think 'icky DTP amateur' or 'nice
> combination of prose and typography' ?
It comes down to this: a story lives or dies by its ability to transport
the reader, and make them forget they're just reading a piece of text.
The purpose of the presentation is to make reading as effortless as
possible. To paraphrase someone from a related field: if you notice the
presentation, it isn't doing its job well enough.
Some changes in typeface help: italics as emphasis (not bold or underlined),
and, in some cases, a change of viewpoint without explicitly stating it.
These are very easy to over-use. Courier sometimes works as an indication of
another medium (computer screens, or lab reports, or something) rather than
narrative prose, but they come at the cost of reminding the reader that the
rest *is* narrative prose, rather than a world to be inhabited.
> Would this be something that might
> work better for a webzine than a printzine?
I'd say it's not suitable for a webzine either. There's a reason why
magazine covers are different in style from the articles within them, and
why they're different again from a book. All the little style changes are
to catch your eye, and make you see as many potential items of interest as
possible. That's the last thing you want in a story, however it's published.
steve, somewhat biased on the matter.
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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:12:01 -0700
From: mistral@centurytel.net
To: B7 List <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Introduction
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Lisa Rowland wrote:
> which actor do you prefer playing the character of
> Travis, and why? Do you view the character as the SAME character, or do you
> see them as individuals?
I must go with the Dreadful one on this. Travis II is the maniac
for me, by a nose. While I admire Greif's performance - especially
in Deliverance IIRC - it's Croucher who makes me care about
Travis. His performance in Trial makes it perhaps the only ep in
which I'm more interested in what's going on in the Federation
than on the Liberator (well okay, except for that scene where
Avon is working on the anti-detection screen and Vila and Jenna
come onto the flight deck.) Sometimes I think Travis II brings out
my few maternal instincts - I want to give him a hug and make it
all better. (EW! I can't believe I SAID that! Must be tireder than
I thought.)
> Lisa
> Seattle, WA
> USA
Ooh. Hello. Are you watching the broadcasts on KBTC?
Mistral
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"It seems that I'm some kind of a galactic yo-yo."
--the third Doctor
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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 09:20:06 -0700
From: "Rhonda L. Stroud" <rstroud@uswest.net>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: RE: [B7L] Introduction
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Hello Lisa,
Welcome to the list. There are a few other Puget Sound natives lurking
around here. Are you watching B7 on PBS?
Rhonda
Seattle
-----Original Message-----
From: Lisa Rowland [mailto:hkfilmfan@home.com]
Subject: [B7L] Introduction
Hi all!
Nice to meet you all!
Lisa
Seattle, WA
USA
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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 18:49:22 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Neil's conspiracy theories (was Typesetting preferences)
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From: <B7Morrigan@aol.com>
> N.Faulkner@tesco.net writes:
<snip>
>
> This SO reminds me of the scene from "The Princess Bride" where Vizzini
and
> the Dread Pirate Roberts have a duel of wits. It sounds very much like
> Vizzini, though I imagine Neil would prefer to be the Dread Pirate
Roberts.
Not really. I can think of better names to go by.
Dread Pirate Wesley
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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 19:42:52 +0200
From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Introduction
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Lisa Rowland wrote:
>As I mentioned above, I prefer Stephen Greif's Travis. This isn't merely
because I saw him first. I find that Stephen's Travis has a lot more menace
than Brian's. His overall presence is stronger and he just "feels" more
intimidating. A friend of mine was over recently, and I showed her both
"Duel" and "Gambit". Her response was similar to mine. She said that
Stephen's Travis radiated more "power." I tend to agree with this
assessment.
I agree totally. For me Greif is Travis and I've never been able to adjust
to Brian Croucher's version. Also, Croucher's face is much too smooth
compared to Greif's, which gives the impression of intense suffering. The
eye patch doesn't 'fit' Croucher. With Greif it becomes part of his face,
it blends in, while on Croucher it just looks very silly, IMHO.
I think Croucher would have been better served if the producers had created
the role of a new villain for him, maybe as Travis's younger brother,
blaming Blake for his brother's death and wanting to take revenge.
Marian
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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 19:48:17 +0200
From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: editing
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Dana wrote:
>But wait, why would Avon be recording the answering machine tape anyway?
Blake would insist, as Captain and Registered Owner (pro tem). Or he'd get
Cally to do it--she's the Communications Officer.<
And after that Avon would sneak in to erase the message and put up his own
:-)
Marian
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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:55:12 EDT
From: B7Morrigan@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Neil's conspiracy theories (was Typesetting preferences)
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> Not really. I can think of better names to go by.
>
> Dread Pirate Wesley
You actually saw the movie?
Morrigan
who was convinced only women knew of the existence of "The Princess Bride."
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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:57:17 EDT
From: B7Morrigan@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: editing
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In a message dated 9/26/00 1:47:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, maya@multiweb.nl
writes:
> Dana wrote:
> >But wait, why would Avon be recording the answering machine tape anyway?
> Blake would insist, as Captain and Registered Owner (pro tem). Or he'd get
> Cally to do it--she's the Communications Officer.<
>
Marian:
> And after that Avon would sneak in to erase the message and put up his own
> :-)
Or forward the calls elsewhere leaving Blake to wonder why no one is
interested...
Morrigan
"I find sometimes it's easy to be myself; sometimes, it's better to be
somebody else." Dave Matthews
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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 20:00:01 +0200
From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
To: <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] B7 mentioning
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Today on the BBC's general knowledge quiz 'The Weakest Link' one of the
questions was: "Paul Darrow played Avon in which SF series?" The candidate
got the question right.
Marian
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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:01:50 -0500
From: Susan Moore <Susan.Moore@uni.edu>
To: lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] is this a sneaky B7 thing?
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Alison Page wrote:
> I've just been reading a 'police procedural' thriller, set in rural Iowa,
> about a sheriff's deputy investigating a multiple murder in a remote
> farmhouse. It's written by a guy who actually *was* a sheriff's deputy in
> rural Iowa, so you get the picture.
> Is this a coincidence? We were talking on the other list about whether one
> in a thousand people in the USA have even heard of Blakes 7, so it seems
> strange either way, either as coincidence or as deliberate reference.
>
> A further piece of evidence is that, completely inexplicably, when 'Travis'
> kills the guy he wants revenge on, he cuts his hand off post-mortem, and
> keeps it. The hand is never found and this action is never explained in the
> plot, it's just a piece of gratuitous weirdness.
>
> So, am I seeing B7 where it is not, or not?
I don't know. I'm in rural Iowa (not too far from where the author lives) and
they just finished a run of Blake's 7 on public television. I could try to
contact the author and ask.
Susan M.
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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 19:06:43 +0000
From: Murray <mjsmith@tcd.ie>
To: Lysator <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Neil's conspiracy theories (was Typesetting
preferences)
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Morrigan,
>> Not really. I can think of better names to go by.
>>
>> Dread Pirate Wesley
>
>You actually saw the movie?
>
>Morrigan
>who was convinced only women knew of the existence of "The Princess Bride."
As a man, I can assure you that not only do I know of the existence of 'The
Princess Bride'; it is also one of my favourite films.
Murray
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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 14:35:28 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Brian Croucher
Message-ID: <Marcel-1.46-0926133528-bc8Rr9i@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
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Having just got a flyer from the theatre for 'Oliver!', I think I'd recommend
the show on the basis of that alone. It's an absolutely wonderful picture of
Brian Croucher as Fagin gloating over a handful of jewellery.
It may be a day or two before we've got it scanned onto the web site, but if the
show lives up to the picture, then my advice if you live anywhere near
Canterbury is to phone the Marlowe theatre and get one of the few remaining
tickets (if they haven't already gone by now). Take this Thursday afternoon off
work...
Judith
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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 20:38:14 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Cc: Freedom City <freedom-city@blakes-7.org>
Subject: [B7L] Brian as Fagin
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If you want to see Brian Croucher as Fagin, the picture is now up.
See http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 under cast news.
Judith
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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 20:24:37 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Cc: Freedom City <freedom-city@blakes-7.org>
Subject: [B7L] Mary Ridge
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News has just reached us of the recent death of Mary Ridge. Mary was the
director of Terminal, Rescue, Power, Animals, Headhunter and Blake.
Having listened to Mary speaking on 'Solstice' I have to say that she came
across as a fascinating woman. She was intelligent and thoughtful and it was
obvious that both Paul and Gareth had enormous respect for her. I was
occasionally reminded of two naughty schoolboys caught out by their teacher.
She started in television in the early days. I often wonder how easy it was for
women then. Women directors aren't that common even now.
I wish I'd had the chance to meet her.
Judith
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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 15:59:56 EDT
From: B7Morrigan@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: [OT] The Princess Bride
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In a message dated 9/26/00 2:05:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mjsmith@tcd.ie
writes:
> As a man, I can assure you that not only do I know of the existence of 'The
> Princess Bride'; it is also one of my favourite films.
Bless! A man who loves both B7 and "The Princess Bride." Can we clone you?
Are there any of you available in the US?
Morrigan
"My name is Inigo Montoyo. You killed my father. Prepare to die."
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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 20:32:04 GMT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Introduction
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Lisa R wrote:
<I thought that I'd finally de-lurk and introduce myself. My name is Lisa
Rowland and I'm an American fan.>
Hello and welcome.
<My favorite characters are Vila (of course!), Avon and the first Travis. >
<gurgle> I'd put the 'of course' after Avon (though I do love Vilakins
dearly, he's so ... so ...), other than that, very good (if Fearless
Leaderless) taste. I like both Travii actually (as long as I can forget
Hostage - Croucher is *not good* in Hostage) but No 1 is still that bit
better.
<they're going to loose the Liberator (one of the most interesting ships to
grace a TV screen)>
Yes, I have to admit I wept (well, I have to admit I wept during Dumbo too.)
<and that the characters themselves are going to die.>
Nonononono ... the great thing about *that* ending is there isn't actually
any of the characters in 'Blake' that actually *can't* be resurrected. (I am
Firmly and Unswervably of the Opinion that Blake, Avon and Vila survived.
And Servie - who wasn't even *in* it - got killed on the way to GP.)
And fanfic-wise, I've also seen plenty of Cally-resurrections and even a few
Gan ones.
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