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blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 273
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L] Re: Fantasy, satire and pr [ Bizarro7@aol.com ]
Re: [B7L] Re: Fantasy, satire and pr [ Calle Dybedahl <calle@lysator.liu.s ]
Re: [B7L] Introduction [ "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.con ]
[B7L] Terminal and endings [ Alison Page <alison_page@becta.org. ]
Re: [B7L] Re: Fantasy, satire and pr [ Russ Massey <russ@wriding.demon.co. ]
Re: [B7L] Avon (was: Rumours of Deat [ "Dana Shilling" <dshilling@worldnet ]
Re: [B7L] Re: Fantasy, satire and pr [ Tavia Chalcraft <tavia@btinternet.c ]
Re: [B7L] Typesetting preferences [ "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.n ]
Re: [B7L] Re: Fantasy, satire, etc, [ "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.n ]
Re: [B7L] Re: Fantasy, satire and pr [ "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.con ]
ObB7 Re: [B7L] Re: [OT] The Princess [ Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana. ]
[B7L] ttba guidelines [ Tavia Chalcraft <tavia@btinternet.c ]
[B7L] Dear Brutus & GT plays [ JEB31538@cs.com ]
[B7L] Dates of First Broadcast [ "rita d'orac" <orac@inorbit.com> ]
Re: [B7L] Introduction [ "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com ]
Re: [B7L] Back on Animals again (Was [ "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com ]
Re: [B7L] Typesetting preferences [ Pherber@aol.com ]
[B7L] Beware a certain seller on Eba [ JEB31538@cs.com ]
Re: ObB7 Re: [B7L] Re: [OT] The Prin [ B7Morrigan@aol.com ]
Re: [B7L] Re: Fantasy, satire and pr [ "Jessica Taylor" <morgaine54@hotmai ]
Re: [B7L] Introduction [ "Jessica Taylor" <morgaine54@hotmai ]
Re: [B7L] Beware a certain seller on [ Bizarro7@aol.com ]
Re: [B7L] Re: Fantasy, satire, etc, [ Jacqueline Thijsen <inquisitioner@w ]
Re: [B7L] Introduction [ Jacqueline Thijsen <inquisitioner@w ]
[B7L] Rare B7 zine auction: Most of [ Bizarro7@aol.com ]
Re: [B7L] Back on Animals again (Was [ "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.con ]
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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 07:35:36 EDT
From: Bizarro7@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Fantasy, satire and princess brides
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In a message dated 9/29/00 7:22:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
russ@wriding.demon.co.uk writes:
<< You might like 13th Warrior. To quote the blurb on the DVD: >>
I liked this film very much. Oddly, for all its fantasy, it might have one of
the most realistic depictions of iron age European culture and civilization
than anything ever done before.
Leah
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Date: 29 Sep 2000 13:49:16 +0200
From: Calle Dybedahl <calle@lysator.liu.se>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Fantasy, satire and princess brides
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>>>>> "Russ" == Russ Massey <russ@wriding.demon.co.uk> writes:
> You might like 13th Warrior.
Nope. It's sort of based on Beowulf, so it fails on Neil's "not myth"
criterium.
--
Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | calle@lysator.liu.se
Please pay no attention to the panda in the fridge.
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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 12:45:55 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Introduction
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Jacqueline wrote:
> At 06:31 28-9-00 +0100, Una McCormack wrote:
> >Jacqueline wrote:
> >
> > > At 07:59 28-9-00 -0500, J MacQueen wrote:
> > >
> > > >>From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
> > > >>and a demand for great wodges of cash.
> > > >
> > > >Ooh, that's what I call paying for your sins. I think GITHOG have
just
> > > >found a Jacqueline-without-Tellytubbies equivalent.
> > >
> > > Hmph, just another bloody amateur.
> >
> >The Teletubbies are indeed a cruel and unusual punishment, but I prefer
the
> >straightline simplicity of extortion.
>
> There's something to be said for that, I suppose. It's the results that
> count, after all. But there's no reason why getting those results
shouldn't
> be fun...
<scratching chin and nodding with interest> Maybe we should exchange notes
at some point?
Una
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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 14:42:17 +0100
From: Alison Page <alison_page@becta.org.uk>
To: "'blakes7@lysator.liu.se'" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Terminal and endings
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Neil was talking about unhappy endings and how he liked them (surprise). I
agree that sometimes a disastrous ending can be quite inspiring. Talking
about the time bandits: what happens at the end of that? He is orphaned when
both his parents are burned to death in a house-fire. But it was a really
up-beat end.
I find both 'Star One' and 'Terminal' exhilarating. I loved Star One the
first time I saw it - and remember at that time it effectively was the last
ever B7 episode. The rebels were preparing to die for the ungrateful human
race, as far as anyone knew, including the writers and actors. Smashing.
Terminal did another good job of destroying everything, but simultaneously
lifting the spirits, somehow.
'Blake' is slightly different - probably because in hindsight we know it is
the real end. I find it exhilarating for slightly different reasons. More a
feeling of 'that's my show' - disaster every time, and leave the worst
disaster until last. 'Who's like us?'
Alison
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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 13:48:11 +0100
From: Russ Massey <russ@wriding.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Fantasy, satire and princess brides
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In message <86em23a05f.fsf@tezcatlipoca.algonet.se>, Calle Dybedahl
<calle@lysator.liu.se> writes
>>>>>> "Russ" == Russ Massey <russ@wriding.demon.co.uk> writes:
>
>> You might like 13th Warrior.
>
>Nope. It's sort of based on Beowulf, so it fails on Neil's "not myth"
>criterium.
Hmm. I think the links are tenuous, personally. Isn't Beowulf about an
individual hero defending his own community against a pair of
monsters?
13th Warrior is more about entertaining culture clash between
civilised Arabs and barbarian Norse while defending themselves
against another (sub)human culture bent on cannibalism.
Other than they both include hero figures and enemies called trolls
(though totally different from each other) I can't really see the
similarities.
--
Russ Massey
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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 11:30:55 -0400
From: "Dana Shilling" <dshilling@worldnet.att.net>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon (was: Rumours of Death question)
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Sally said:
> Not that any of
> them would probably like to have to explain *why* ...
Personally, I'd love to be on the flight deck listening to his color
commentary
on Blake's briefings to the crew. (MST4K?)
>
> <There may be other minor unspeakablenesses (coining words now...) that
> weren't shown on screen!>
Well, I'm pretty sure that he's an excellent cook but the kind who leaves
the kitchen in ruins and expects someone else to clean up.
-(Y)
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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 17:33:45 +0100
From: Tavia Chalcraft <tavia@btinternet.com>
To: 'Lysator mailing list' <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Fantasy, satire and princess brides
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Neil wrote:
>This is the stuff of LotR and rpgs like ADnD. Yet, though Tolkien is
amazingly popular (Book of the Century, remember?) and his second-rate
imitators fill the >shelves in bookshops ...
Am I alone in the world in actually rather liking LotR ? The fact that it
spawned a lot of poor imitations doesn't stop the original from having its
good moments (interspersed with the dire moments) and the fact that it's
apparently popular doesn't necessarily make it totally beneath contempt. I
was rather pleased it won the Waterstones Book of the Century poll --
there's been a lot worse published...
Tavia
--When the fire and the rose are one
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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 18:40:09 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Typesetting preferences
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From: <Pherber@aol.com>
> B7Morrigan@aol.com writes:
>
> > BTW, you may sign me up on the campaign to persuade Neil to let Judith
> > reprint "Stadler Link" and "Pressure Point." They are too good to be
OOP.
>
> Add me to the list too...
Right, that's it. I'm burying the damn things in peat. And then I'm going
to tear them into little bits, and throw all the bits in a fire and jump on
them.
At least I will when I get the masters back from Judith...
Neil
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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 18:44:16 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Fantasy, satire, etc, trying to get back on topic
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From: Calle Dybedahl <calle@lysator.liu.se>
> >>>>> "Neil" == Neil Faulkner <N.Faulkner@tesco.net> writes:
>
> > a story set in a world that is not unlike our own at some point in
> > our past, but yet is not our own and has no connection with it.
>
> That must be one of the most flawed definitions of fantasy I've ever
> seen. How can a world at the same time be "not unlike our own at some
> point in our past" yet have "no connection with it"?
It was *a* definition of a particular subset of fantasy, not intended to be
a global definition of the entire genre. It was simply a statement of
preference, not of quality - a lot of stuff outside the definition is very
good, usually better than the stuff that does fit. Shame.
"no connection" means no physical connection (like the kind that lets us
visit them, or them us), a subcreated world that we can
cognitively connect to the real world whilst knowing that the place doesn't
really exist. Much like the Star Wars universe, though there's an annoying
Tarzan reference in RotJ that drives me up the wall.
Look, I'm a picky bastard!
A problem with F/SF, including B7, is that it throws the doors wide open,
inviting the inclusion of all sorts of elements that are part of the genre
but don't necessarily belong in a single work. Taking B7, and defining it
rather simply as Science Fiction, we could potentially consider including
things like:
- bug-eyed monsters, who exist only to destroy humanity.
- angelic superbeings with awesome mental powers, who exist only to put us
in our place.
- big battles with colossal spaceships
- alien invaders who infiltrate us by looking exactly like people we used to
know (we somehow overlook the lumbering gait and blank-eyed stares)
- previously unknown atomic elements and bands of the electromagnetic
spectrum
- parallel universes where we swap places with our evil counterparts (except
Avon, who would presumably swap with something too horrible to contemplate)
- time travel (probably to London in AD 2000).
- a strange time warp in which everyone ages to the point of death on
entering, but somehow revert to their spritely youthful selves on departure.
- knobbly ice-cream cones with sink plungers instead of arms.
- lost planets where the culture has somehow reverted to the Stone Age, Dark
Ages, or something astonishingly similar to Ancient Rome.
- great scientific breakthroughs made by mad scientists stranded on barren
planets with only their beautiful daughters for company. (If she's so
beautiful, how come he's always so pigging ugly?)
- animals with augmented intelligence who revolt against their human
slavemasters.
- pan-galactic empires with the military hardware of the 1960s.
- the emergence of the next phase of human evolution, as if evolution ever
happened in pre-planned phases.
- an uppity NASA probe that now thinks it's a god.
and doubtless many more. All of them could be accomodated in a B7 plot, in
fact some of them were in the series and others have been in fanfic.
They're all legitimate SF themes, even if most of them have got a bit
hackneyed (though that doesn't stop them being reused, with a bit of
imaginative flair). But that's not to say that they all belong in 'proper'
B7 (whatever that is). I suspect most of us would rule out some of those
options as 'improper' to B7, though that's not to say that all of us would
rule out the same ones.
In mundane genres (romance, thriller, war movie etc) the constraints are
much tighter. That's not to say that there are no hackneyed tropes that
ought to be binned from the start, but there are (I strongly suspect) far
fewer of them. Mundane movies have to find their originality within firmly
straitened circumstances, in fact the good ones tend to succeed because of
the constraints rather than despite them.
I think the same goes for F/SF too. The only difference is, the writer can
choose the constraints under which s/he operates. Not 'There are no
limits', but 'There are limits. I'm using these.'
Neil
>
> Even if you chose interpretations of "unlike" and "connection" that
> are wide/narrow enough to make the definition make some sort of sense,
> it throws out works that are generally agreed to be fantasy. For
> example, Tanith Lee's World Fantasy Award winner "Death's Master" gets
> thrown out, because that world is nothing like our own at any point in
> time (unless you weaken "like" to the point of being totally
> meaningless), and Donaldson's series about Thomas Covenant gets thrown
> out because Covenant _comes_ from our world.
>
> If you're a bit picky with the "connection" stuff, Lord of the Rings
> goes as well, since Gandalf and most of the dwarves appear in the Elder
Edda.
> --
> Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN |
calle@lysator.liu.se
> "Just about anything can be done if you are demented enough."
> -- Christopher C. Petro, scary.devil.monastery
>
>
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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 19:49:44 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: "'Lysator mailing list'" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Fantasy, satire and princess brides
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Tavia:
> Am I alone in the world in actually rather liking LotR ? The fact that it
> spawned a lot of poor imitations doesn't stop the original from having
its
> good moments (interspersed with the dire moments) and the fact that it's
> apparently popular doesn't necessarily make it totally beneath contempt.
I
> was rather pleased it won the Waterstones Book of the Century poll --
> there's been a lot worse published...
It is without a doubt my Desert Island Book. In fact, they can stuff the
Bible, and I'd have 'The Silmarillion' instead. I've loved Tolkien since
pre-school age, and I'll never stop loving his books. In fact, my Desert
Island Cultural Artefact would be LOTR over B7.
Una
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Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 06:18:57 +1100
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: ObB7 Re: [B7L] Re: [OT] The Princess Bride
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On Tue, Sep 26, 2000 at 03:59:56PM -0400, B7Morrigan@aol.com wrote:
> "My name is Inigo Montoyo. You killed my father. Prepare to die."
>
When I first got into fandom, the New Horizons club was still around,
and they had these stickers with various sayings on them, that you
could stick on envelopes and suchlike. One of them was:
"My name is Dayna Mellanby. You killed my father. Prepare to die."
(-8
Kathryn Andersen
(back on the air! Yay!)
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Cally: They're taking too long.
Avon: That's the trouble with heroics, they seldom run to schedule.
(Blake's 7: Seek-Locate-Destroy [A6])
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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 21:55:32 +0100
From: Tavia Chalcraft <tavia@btinternet.com>
To: 'Lysator mailing list' <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>,
'Freedom City mailing list' <freedom-city@blakes-7.org>
Subject: [B7L] ttba guidelines
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A little more information about submission guidelines for my new zine,
ttba, is now available on my website: http://www.viragene.com/ This
includes the fact that I am also very interested in art submissions for the
zine.
I intend to update this site periodically.
Tavia
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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 19:20:27 EDT
From: JEB31538@cs.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Dear Brutus & GT plays
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Julia, thanks for your review of Midsummer's Night Dream. Remember to do
one for Dear Brutus, too.
I would be interested in seeing some more reviews by other people of
Midsummer Night's Dream and, also, Dear Brutus when it happens. Since
different people notice different things, it's always helpful to have more
than one review of something.
And for everyone like me who will never see GT in person in a play, you can
order a PAL video copy of Hamlet. GT plays Hamlet's murderous stepfather
and, of course, meets an untimely end. I have no clue if the video is the
entire Hamlet which would be over three hours or if it's a shortened version.
I suspect it's a shortened version. According to yesterday's Horizon
Newsflash # 52, you can soon order this video by visiting Horizon's website.
http://www.horizon.org.uk
I was under the impression that the information is not currently up yet.
There was no delivery estimated time mentioned for when the video would
arrive. Of course, I'm already in the process of ordering and just trying
to figure out how to convert the 17 pounds cost for USA into US dollars for
my check. I think it's 29.05 dollars counting the extra dollar for the check
fee. It's too bad that video copies aren't available of Gareth Thomas plays
in general. I know for sure there would be one person buying them all.
Joyce
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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 20:29:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: "rita d'orac" <orac@inorbit.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Dates of First Broadcast
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Julia "DragonFly" <dragonfly@pond65.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>I am trying to obtain the dates on which each of the episodes were first
>broadcast. I have all dates for the first two series but I don't have any
>dates for the third and forth series...can anyone help.
>Oh I'm off to see Dear Brutus on Sat. 7th October - Next week!!!!!!!
I think this website lists them all:
http://epguides.com/Blakes7/
...and I'm seeing the two GT plays on that day too - come and say hello!
rita d'orac
"If you think of this mouse as a space captain..."
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Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 02:36:12 GMT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Introduction
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Katie wrote:
<I'm not the only person in the world who finds Terminal more depressing
than Blake.>
Terminal is a bit of a 'weepie' while Blake is an ice-cold shock.
<For some reason I spend all of Terminal thinking "Good-bye, Zen; Good-bye
Liberator; Good-bye Cally; Good-bye curling iron guns; sniffle...">
I sniffled for Zen and the Liberator, but have to admit that I didn't mind
so much about Cally - firstly since I don't miss her but IMO Avon most
definitely *does* which makes for angst-without-regrets <veg>; secondly
because Zen's death is handled bee-yootifully in the episode, made one of
the two emotional highlights - Zen and the ship get a great send-off, but
(since no one knew the series was coming back and Jan Chappell wasn't) Cally
gets bugger-all of a send-off, she and Dayna are pretty much wallpaper after
the first twenty seconds. And then her death is off-screen.
It's sad, actually. Gan got a good parting episode (Pressure Point) and
Jenna at least got one written for her (The Keeper), even if it's somewhat
of an insult to the character :-( - and one could argue that Blake got
*three*, all great (Star One, Terminal - even if he's only in one scene, it
glows, and the character throws a shadow over the entire ep - and Blake).
Even Brian Croucher got to star in his last one. But Cally gets a bare
handful of lines in Rescue, and Vila's later, very apt "who cared about
Cally?"
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Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 02:38:56 GMT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Back on Animals again (Was Introduction)
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After I wrote:
<I don't know any Mysteries, sorry. Would saying three compliments for
Animals do (they'd be fairly mysterious-without-a-capital)?>
Una wrote:
<Hmm, OK, so long as you stick a Hail Mary at the end.>
Right (I can do this. I can *do* this.)
1. It had one of my very very favourite Avon-moments, where he comes
charging in and almost slips and falls (what can I say, another favourite is
where he whacks himself with his own gun in Destiny). It's fun, and the sort
of thing *real people* (as apart from Fictional Heroes) do ...
2. His hair looks comparitively good for 4th season.
3. Michael Keating is very good, and I really like the line 'I don't see why
I should be punished for your guilty conscience.' - it's very Vila-esque.
4. Ardus is a good guest character (and has a *wonderful* face), though I'm
already sick and tired of the 'death-to-Servalan-spotters' thread (it's a
smidge hard to take her purported need to stay unrecognised seriously, given
her total and brainless lack of disguise.)
5. The breif 'sorry sir' scene between Tarrant and Slave has a dorky charm
(Slave is definitely dorkiness personified IMHO, but usually there is no
charm to it).
6. Og is unquestionably one of the Most Memorable aliens of the series.
Unforgettable, actually ...
7. Servalan's outfit, while hardly attractive, is a beautiful piece of
costume-as-characterisation as the Commissioner as an overpainted vulture.
8. Justin dies (albeit about 52 minutes after I wanted him to.)
Hell, that's eight. Better stop now before I start admiring the Astroturf
...
Hail ... errr (with a nod to B7 non-religiosity) the President???
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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 23:42:09 EDT
From: Pherber@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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In a message dated 9/29/00 11:16:59 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
N.Faulkner@tesco.net writes:
> Right, that's it. I'm burying the damn things in peat. And then I'm going
> to tear them into little bits, and throw all the bits in a fire and jump on
> them.
>
> At least I will when I get the masters back from Judith...
>
See? We *knew* you're a reasonable sort of fellow. And we didn't even have
to summon the penguins...<eg>
Nina
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Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 00:34:37 EDT
From: JEB31538@cs.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se, freedom-city@blakes-7.org
Subject: [B7L] Beware a certain seller on Ebay
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I just noticed that warp10 was selling some B7 stuff on Ebay. Beware of
this extremely rude idiot. He has no clue the difference between Monthlies
and Poster Books. What he calls a Monthly Poster Book # 2 is a B7 Monthly #
2 and NOT a rare Poster Magazine/Book # 2.
I recently sold my B7 Monthlies for under $2 an issue to two people on the
lists. B7 Monthlies can be had very cheaply if you are patient.
warp10 is New Eye Studio and the Ebay specific seller Jeff Maynard is very
abusive if you dare to disagree with him. Just check out his negative
comments and you can see that this man is a total jerk. I didn't leave him
negative feedback simply because I didn't want to subject myself to his
abuse. And Ebay itself will do nothing to protect you against abuse. It
doesn't care. I did, however, about 6 months ago warn both lists about
him.
I strongly advise all B7 people to avoid bidding on items from warp10 in the
future.
Joyce
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Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 01:26:28 EDT
From: B7Morrigan@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: ObB7 Re: [B7L] Re: [OT] The Princess Bride
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In a message dated 9/29/00 4:41:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
kat@welkin.apana.org.au writes:
> On Tue, Sep 26, 2000 at 03:59:56PM -0400, B7Morrigan@aol.com wrote:
> > "My name is Inigo Montoyo. You killed my father. Prepare to die."
> >
> When I first got into fandom, the New Horizons club was still around,
> and they had these stickers with various sayings on them, that you
> could stick on envelopes and suchlike. One of them was:
>
> "My name is Dayna Mellanby. You killed my father. Prepare to die."
Gosh, fantasy and some wicked humor. You'd think B7 and "The Princess Bride"
have something in common.
Another quote from the movie (Christopher Guest's character) might be made of
Blake:
"Good heavens...are you still trying to win? You've got an over developed
sense of vengeance. It's going to get you into trouble someday. "
or perhaps Avon.
Morrigan
Protons have mass? I didn't even know they were Catholic!
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Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 16:14:25 EST
From: "Jessica Taylor" <morgaine54@hotmail.com>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Fantasy, satire and princess brides
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>Thinking about it, my Ideal Fantasy Film would have a lot of elements in
>common with my Ideal B7 Movie.
<snip>
>The hardest part in both cases is fitting in the penguins.
>
>Neil
Let's see, a fantasy film set on a planet which has geography much like
ours. The main character is a cynical and witty penguin (what are your
feelings about animals that talk?) who wears chain mail, a plot that is not
too black and white involving interplanetary intrigue. The penguin (I
haven't named him yet) must decide whether to reveal that the government of
a small planet is being controlled by the leader of a bigger one, this
decision is made most difficult because the penguin believes that the news
could cause a civil war on the little planet with lots of people dead (I
think that may need some work, but you get the idea). It would of course be
a cutting piece of social satire and could be filmed using that hand-held
camera method popular in recent American cop-shows to create a gloomy mood.
The film could end ironically somehow...
Hmm, I smell a winner.
I think I covered everything, witty dialogue, a plausible setting, gloomy
atmosphere and I even managed the penguins <veg>
Best Wishes
Jessica
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Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 18:16:50 EST
From: "Jessica Taylor" <morgaine54@hotmail.com>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Introduction
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Sally wrote:
>It's sad, actually. Gan got a good parting episode (Pressure Point) and
>Jenna at least got one written for her (The Keeper), even if it's somewhat
>of an insult to the character :-( - and one could argue that Blake got
>*three*, all great (Star One, Terminal - even if he's only in one scene, it
>glows, and the character throws a shadow over the entire ep - and Blake).
>Even Brian Croucher got to star in his last one. But Cally gets a bare
>handful of lines in Rescue, and Vila's later, very apt "who cared about
>Cally?"
I think that was the most moving thing about Rescue, the anonymity of
Cally's death and the way the others reacted so stoicly as though they were
all pretty much desensitized to death by that point except for Vila. The
scene when Tarrant wakes up by the fire and asks about Cally and the only
response was Avon saying "Cally's dead" is probably (IMHO) one of the
saddest ever on B7.
Best Wishes
Jessica
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Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 05:15:20 EDT
From: Bizarro7@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se, freedom-city@blakes-7.org
Subject: Re: [B7L] Beware a certain seller on Ebay
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In a message dated 9/30/00 12:35:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, JEB31538@cs.com
writes:
<< warp10 is New Eye Studio and the Ebay specific seller Jeff Maynard is
very
abusive if you dare to disagree with him. Just check out his negative
comments and you can see that this man is a total jerk. >>
So *that's* where he got to. This is the same guy who was ripping off fans
over ten years ago, at convention dealer's tables and through mail order. I
guess he hasn't changed a bit over the years; just found a new technology to
carry on with.
Leah
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Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 11:11:59 +0200
From: Jacqueline Thijsen <inquisitioner@wish.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Fantasy, satire, etc, trying to get back on
topic
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At 18:44 29-9-00 +0100, Neil Faulkner wrote:
>Much like the Star Wars universe, though there's an annoying
>Tarzan reference in RotJ that drives me up the wall.
Which reference is that?
>- alien invaders who infiltrate us by looking exactly like people we used to
>know (we somehow overlook the lumbering gait and blank-eyed stares)
Well, on monday mornings that's only natural.
Jacqueline
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Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 11:20:37 +0200
From: Jacqueline Thijsen <inquisitioner@wish.net>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Introduction
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Una, then me, then Una again:
> >
> > >The Teletubbies are indeed a cruel and unusual punishment, but I prefer
>the
> > >straightline simplicity of extortion.
> >
> > There's something to be said for that, I suppose. It's the results that
> > count, after all. But there's no reason why getting those results
>shouldn't
> > be fun...
>
><scratching chin and nodding with interest> Maybe we should exchange notes
>at some point?
I'll be sure to make the time for it at Redemption.
Jacqueline
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Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 05:38:01 EDT
From: Bizarro7@aol.com
To: freedom-city@blakes-7.org, blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Rare B7 zine auction: Most of latest round ends TODAY
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If you haven't had a chance to check out the latest out-of-print, rare B7
fanzines from the Ashton Press collection, drop by *today*. The latest batch
will be rolling off of eBay within the next 13 hours or so, and they will be
gone for good. Now's a good time to grab a rarity at a bargain.
A new batch of completely different, rare zine titles will be going up
shortly; check back daily! Good Luck. <A
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Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 12:47:39 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Back on Animals again (Was Introduction)
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Sally wrote:
> Right (I can do this. I can *do* this.)
[ snip]
> Hell, that's eight. Better stop now before I start admiring the Astroturf
You manage ten, and you get your own very special page on my Animals
website.
Una
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