From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V00 #291 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: <blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se> archive/volume00/291 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 291 Today's Topics: Re: Re [B7L] Fantasy, SF and all tha [ "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com ] Re: [B7L] Christmas presents [ "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com ] Re: [B7L] Some more random thoughts [ Tavia Chalcraft <tavia@btinternet.c ] [B7L] Cambridge theatre trip [ Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@comp ] Re: [B7L] Christmas presents [ Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@comp ] Hello + 3 questions [ "Gavin Murphy" <gmurphy2001@hotmail ] [B7L] Logic of Empire [ Jacqui Speel <jacquispeel@netscape. ] Re: [B7L] Christmas presents [ "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.co ] [B7L] A Family Affair [ Tavia Chalcraft <tavia@btinternet.c ] Re: [B7L] Some more random thoughts [ "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com> ] Re: [B7L] Question about a serial st [ Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com ] Re: [B7L] Hello + 3 questions [ "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.con ] Re: [B7L] Logic of Empire [ "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.con ] Re: [B7L] Some more random thoughts [ "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl> ] [B7L] I'm also chasing a story ... [ "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:12:32 GMT From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: Re [B7L] Fantasy, SF and all that stuff Message-ID: <LAW-F267GIWJiE9Yqrx00005a64@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Joanne suggested: <Argh. Vicar of Dibley cross-over, anyone?> Actually, Geraldine would be rather wonderful, methinks, but what was the name of the dear little old lady with the creative cooking instincts? *That's* who I want. On Scorpio. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:13:17 GMT From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Christmas presents Message-ID: <LAW-F202bLAX3cf3edn00000ee1@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Tavia wrote: <The interesting adventure would be to try and give Avon something... > Actually <grin> that wasn't nearly so hard, I ended up with an idea for something from every one of the 1st season crew and *several* from Blake and/or Vila (note to self. Need to think up a Christmas burble again this year. There's something about the Far-Too-Festive Season and Our Heroes that goes *so well* together in my mind ...) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:29:19 +0100 From: Tavia Chalcraft <tavia@btinternet.com> To: 'Lysator mailing list' <blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: Re: [B7L] Some more random thoughts about Rescue Message-ID: <01C03907.905BBF20.tavia@btinternet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ellynne wrote lots of interesting stuff about Dorian and Avon, which I've partially snipped... >I always thought there was a deliberate, disturbing message ... their >similiarities seem to be getting lined up. Dorian is extremely >intelligent and the selfish survivor out for himself Avon claims to be. >He's quickly established as gifted with computers ... >and is hard at work on a teleport >system. Then there's the way Dorian enjoys playing games with Avon, >giving him the puzzle pieces and watching him put them together. What's >also interesting is Avon's basic understanding of Dorian, the way he >doesn't trust him and refuses (unlike his usualy style) to get drawn into >Dorian's brain games. His attitude seems to be, 'I already know >everything about you I need to.' > >True, he's right, but it also suggests something else, that Avon >understands Dorian because of underlying similarities. I've always loved that bit of Rescue, and felt that the episode deserved a less icky ending. I always wondered what would have happened if Dorian had joined the 4th season crew rather than Soolin -- there would certainly be an interesting power struggle for control of Scorpio, and Orac. IMO, Dorian shows an explicit, shall we say 'interest' in Avon, and certainly seems to me at one stage to be suggesting parallels between himself and Avon, almost trying to recruit Avon to his way of life. I find Avon's reaction interesting since it seems to be plain disgust... >but maybe this >was an attempt to foreshadow Avon's decline and growing ruthlessness over >S4. Any thoughts? ... which makes me think that this isn't quite what's going on. Tavia http://www.viragene.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:56:18 -0400 From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: [B7L] Cambridge theatre trip Message-ID: <200010181356_MC2-B763-A87A@compuserve.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Nicola asked: >would you like to see Stephen Pacey's play, = >"A Family Affair" at the Cambridge Arts Theatre? I kept thinking this sounded familiar, and then, having rewatched episode= three of Xena season four on Saturday - Steven as Gabby's grandson, the Destroyer? Harriet ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:56:28 -0400 From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: Re: [B7L] Christmas presents Message-ID: <200010181356_MC2-B763-A884@compuserve.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Alison told me: >'The Sisters of perpetual indulgence' Yes, them! I'd love it if they survived to reach Freedom City. Joanne failed in her attempt: > will not mention the somewhat dubious idea that = >popped into her head of Jarriere in a nun's habit - oh. Now you've gone and done it! How did you know the sisters, by the way? Kathryn told me: >Gift vouchers. Ah, gift tokens is what I'd call them. "Certificate" was suggesting to m= e "I bought you a present, honest, but I lost it somewhere." Harriet ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 20:37:17 GMT From: "Gavin Murphy" <gmurphy2001@hotmail.com> To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Subject: Hello + 3 questions Message-ID: <F26c0Ne0PaLI9mK6PYz00006f1a@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hello, This is my first post, after one of my self initiated British Sci-Fi rest periods I have recently started to watch all 52 Blakes episodes from the start. What is making this nice is that my Girlfriend has never seen them , or any british Sci-fi to speak of and she is loving it. Anyway I have been a fan of British Sci-Fi for about 14 years, and for what it is worth I live in Oregon,USA. A couple of questions for the list. 1. Is it cool to "trade" videos on this list?? 2. I love Dr.Who/Blakes 7 I am craving some other related british sci fi-so this leads me to these questions---> What do you think about Terry Nations SURVIVORS?? I have heard that it is an accquired taste and that it is not that good? Is it really that bad?? I am ready to start getting some of the Bill Baggs/Independent Dr. Who "Offshoot" videos, if you had to tell a hardcore "darker" 70's Who & Blakes 7 fan to pick one of the offshoot videos to start with which one would you go with and why?? Any help would be appreciated! Gavin _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Oct 00 13:47:18 PDT From: Jacqui Speel <jacquispeel@netscape.net> To: "Blakes 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: [B7L] Logic of Empire Message-ID: <20001018204718.24529.qmail@ww181.netaddress.usa.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Having recently heard this production I 'see' a problem with the logic of= the final argument. I use the above verb after due consideration (others who = have heard it will understand what I am getting at: like The Mousetrap (play) = it would be incosiderate to reveal the ending) Do others who have heard it have any comments? ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home= =2Enetscape.com/webmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 08:05:13 EST From: "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Christmas presents Message-ID: <F275RArVc4Iu1B6gVs1000084d1@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> >Now you've gone and done it! Does that mean I have to write another Jarriere filk to a Beatles tune? I remember the circumstances where I had to do that last year rather vividly. >How did you know the sisters, by the way? Oh, there's a Sydney chapter. They tend to appear at the Mardi Gras, or on the news if the Rev Fred Nile has been particularly virulent about homosexuals, transvestites, etc - anyone he deems abnormal. This is beginning to sound like topic migration from the spinlist, so I'll stop here. Regards Joanne _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 23:42:44 +0100 From: Tavia Chalcraft <tavia@btinternet.com> To: 'Lysator mailing list' <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>, 'Freedom City mailing list' <freedom-city@blakes-7.org> Subject: [B7L] A Family Affair Message-ID: <01C0395D.4A969C20.tavia@btinternet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just got back from 'A Family Affair', I think the second night, so I might well have been the first Blake's Seven fan to see it. I know lots of people will be going to see it, so I'll try not to spoil it for you.... The play has been translated from the French and, if one believes the programme notes, the dialogue concomitantly rewritten to fit to an English audience's expectations -- interestingly the translator/director considered (but I don't think did in the end) toning down the language of the daughter to prevent her swearing so much. The translator/director commented that one could have translated the scenario from French to English, or even north London Turkish Cypriot, but that because the family felt so French, and the setting so archetypically French, that would have risked missing the point. I tend to agree, but the result was a slightly uneasy mixture of English (or Scottish!) accents, jarred by the occasional French reference and the very French cafe bar setting. I'd say the play was 'typical' French farce, and about half the actors were playing it for farce while the other half were playing it seriously, which perhaps didn't work all that well. Unfortunately French farce with English accents inevitably reminds one of 'Allo 'Allo ..., especially with Rik Mayall taking the lead role, Henri, the disconsolate bar owner. Generally he carried it off well, but sometimes to my mind at least let it slip too far into rather physical comedy (too much gesticulation), where pathos might have been more appropriate. Steven Pacey's role, as Henri's spoilt younger brother Philippe, didn't really challenge him. Suffice to say that Philippe is not a particularly pleasant character... The set was excellent, simply but effectively setting up the archetypal French bar -- but where was the espresso machine ??? Anyway, in summary, enjoyable but not hugely profound. Tavia http://www.viragene.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 22:04:47 -0600 From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Some more random thoughts about Rescue Message-ID: <20001018.220448.-121481.1.rilliara@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:29:19 +0100 Tavia Chalcraft <tavia@btinternet.com> writes: > IMO, Dorian shows an explicit, shall we say 'interest' in Avon, and > certainly seems to me at one stage to be suggesting parallels > between > himself and Avon, almost trying to recruit Avon to his way of life. > I find > Avon's reaction interesting since it seems to be plain disgust... > This is an interesting thought. OTOH, Dorian seems to have had an obvious need for Avon as part of his gestalt. But, going up to five from one, maybe he thought he could spare one. Of course, there's also the question about how much of a link Dorian had to the intellect of his victims. As the creature in the cellar, Avon may have had to put up with psychically experiencing whatever Dorian wanted to do and maybe Dorian would have still been able to pick his brain afterwards for ways to improve Orac. The idea of Dorian as a crew member, even if he'd had to join and the cave had been destroyed, doesn't quite work for me mainly because he makes Servalan look like a moral paragon. Still, it would have been interesting until someone shot him. Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 20:54:57 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com> To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: Re: [B7L] Question about a serial story Message-ID: <Marcel-1.46-1018195457-518Rr9i@blakes-7.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Sun 15 Oct, B7Morrigan@aol.com wrote: > I am hoping with the wealth of knowledge out there, someone can help me track > down a story. > > I've been happily immersed in a box full of "Gambits" for the last week or so > (when not overwhelmed by RL). I read a story called "Day of the Bounty > Hunter" that appears serially in the Gambit zines. I read part 1 in Gambit > 10; part 2 in Gambit 12; part 3 in Gambit 13. Part 3 ends with "To be > continued but part 4 is not in Gambit 14. > > I did a search using the author's name (S.R. Mowatt) on Judith's site but I > didn't get any matches, leading me to believe that the info isn't indexed > that way. Did you try a search under 'Mowatt'? I haven't tried it myself, but I don't think the site search engine remembers single letters like S and R, so it might not have recognised what you were looking for. I don't think the series was completed in Gambit, unfortunately. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.knightwriter.org ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 08:24:38 +0100 From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk> To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: Re: [B7L] Hello + 3 questions Message-ID: <02b701c0399d$f9260100$0d01a8c0@codex> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gavin wrote: > This is my first post, after one of my self initiated British Sci-Fi rest > periods I have recently started to watch all 52 Blakes episodes from the > start. Hi Gavin, welcome aboard! > What is making this nice is that my Girlfriend has never seen them , > or any british Sci-fi to speak of and she is loving it. That's great: my other half can't stand B7 (except for Gambit, Orbit, and Vila). > What do you think about Terry Nations SURVIVORS?? I have heard that it is an > accquired taste and that it is not that good? Is it really that bad?? Not at all: 'Survivors' is still really powerful viewing. There are some episodes that will stick in your mind for a long time, particularly from the first season, like the first episode, 'The Fourth Horseman', and 'Law and Order'. I think the second and third seasons are not as good (they turn into 'The Good Life' with candles), but there are still some great odd episodes, particularly 'The Last Laugh', which is one of the most of the most powerful episodes of anything I've ever seen. Ian McCulloch, who plays Greg in 'Survivors' is in my list of Acting Gods (his guest appearance in 'Colditz' is just amazing). Hmm, B7 content to this post. OK: B7 takes place in the aftermath of a disaster a long time ago. Maybe it wasn't atomic wars, and it was the plague from 'Survivors'. Una ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 08:26:40 +0100 From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk> To: "Blakes 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: Re: [B7L] Logic of Empire Message-ID: <02b801c0399d$f9864970$0d01a8c0@codex> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jacqui wrote: > Having recently heard this production I 'see' a problem with the logic of the final argument. I use the above verb after due consideration (others who have heard it will understand what I am getting at: like The Mousetrap (play) it would be incosiderate to reveal the ending) Do others who have heard it have any comments? I get what you mean and understand the problem you're suggesting. I personally think that LoE has a *fantastic* ending, which exploits the medium it's using brilliantly. I guess I found the end so breath-taking I was prepared to overlook any potential problems. Una ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 11:09:02 +0200 From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl> To: "'Lysator mailing list'" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: Re: [B7L] Some more random thoughts about Rescue Message-ID: <000c01c039ac$3d2d21e0$0cef72c3@marian-de-haan.multiweb.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tavia wrote: >IMO, Dorian shows an explicit, shall we say 'interest' in Avon, and certainly seems to me at one stage to be suggesting parallels between himself and Avon, almost trying to recruit Avon to his way of life. I find Avon's reaction interesting since it seems to be plain disgust...< A nice example of Avon being not the callous bastard he likes to pretend to be :-) Marian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 11:43:33 GMT From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] I'm also chasing a story ... Message-ID: <LAW-F54SrvvFerbTEn4000067ee@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed ... and I did try to find it on your search engine, Judith <g> Does anyone know where Helen Parkinson's 'A Second Chance' was published? I believe it's the story that 'By Unfrequented Ways' (which I have recently read and *adore*) is the sequel to, and I would love to find a copy (if anyone has one they would like to seel, please contact me :-) or if they just know where it was publsihed so I know where to start searching, I would be eternally grateful. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V00 Issue #291 **************************************