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blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 303
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L] Avon as loner? (was Dorian [ Mistral <mistral@centurytel.net> ]
Re: [B7L] ~Rumours of death - how no [ "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com ]
[B7L] Re: Even I noticed there were [ "Ebony" <ebonyben@indigo.ie> ]
Re: [B7L] Avon as loner? (was Dorian [ Betty Ragan <ragan@sdc.org> ]
Re: [B7L] Offshoot of Dysfunctional/ [ Betty Ragan <ragan@sdc.org> ]
Re: [Re: [B7L] ~Rumours of death - h [ Jacqui Speel <jacquispeel@netscape. ]
Re: [Re: [B7L] Is Avon dysfunctional [ Jacqui Speel <jacquispeel@netscape. ]
Re: [B7L] Is Avon dysfunctional? [ Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@comp ]
[B7L] Avon and Marriage [ Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@comp ]
[B7L] Re: between a rock and a hard [ Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net> ]
Re: [B7L] Deja Vu [ "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com> ]
Re: [Re: [B7L] ~Rumours of death - h [ "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com> ]
Re: [B7L] Re: between a rock and a h [ "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com> ]
Re: [B7L] Is Avon dysfunctional? (wa [ "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com> ]
Subject: [B7L] Re: between a rock an [ "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com ]
Re: [B7L] Is Avon dysfunctional? [ Mac4781@aol.com ]
[B7L] playing dead [ Jacqui Speel <jacquispeel@netscape. ]
Re: [B7L] Deja Vu [ Betty Ragan <ragan@sdc.org> ]
Re: [B7L] Is Avon dysfunctional? [ Betty Ragan <ragan@sdc.org> ]
Re: [B7L] Headhunter (was Re: Avon a [ "Doraleen McArthur" <d.mcarthur@wor ]
Re: [B7L] Headhunter (was Re: Avon a [ "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.con ]
Re: [B7L] Headhunter (was Re: Avon a [ "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com ]
[B7L] Re: FC: I'm enjoying this bran [ "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com ]
Re: [B7L] Headhunter (was Re: Avon a [ "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.con ]
Re: [B7L] playing dead [ "Pat Sumner" <pat@freedomcity.fsnet ]
Re: [Re: [B7L] playing dead] [ Jacqui Speel <jacquispeel@netscape. ]
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Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 15:51:04 -0700
From: Mistral <mistral@centurytel.net>
To: B7 lyst <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon as loner? (was Dorian and Avon and *is* long ...)
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Kathryn (replying to me):
> > Lessee.... Rumors: In an enemy stronghold, with a gun pointed at him,
> > Avon kills Anna, who has betrayed him. Blake: In an [assumed] enemy
> > stronghold, with a gun pointed at him, Avon kills Blake, who [Avon
> > thinks] has betrayed him. I see what you mean. He doesn't treat them
> > alike at all.
>
> He shot Anna in *self-defence*, not because she betrayed him. The only
> reason that people re-interpret that scene as Shooting Because Of
> Betrayal is because it's a very handy way to make sense of what
> happened in "Blake". "Look!" people say, "He shot Blake because he
> betrayed him! He must have shot Anna for the same reason."
>
> Despite the fact that Anna pulled a gun on him and Blake didn't.
Eh? Do you see a _because_ in my paragraph? Of course he shot Anna in
self-defence. IMO that is _also the reason he shot Blake_ - he felt
threatened by Blake's advancing on him instead of standing still and
giving him a reasonable explanation, and even if Blake didn't pull a gun
on him, Arlen had, and she was apparently taking orders from Blake. The
extra dimension added by the betrayal simply made it much easier in both
cases for Avon to believe he was in danger for his life. I don't for a
minute believe that Avon shot Blake because of betrayal (i.e. for
revenge). But I do think the sense of betrayal is what _allowed_ him to
take the lives of people he cared for. If he hadn't already worked out
that Anna had betrayed him, he wouldn't have worked out that she might
try to kill him - even with Cally's warning cry, it wouldn't have
occurred to him to pull his gun in self-defence.
Another parallel that I thought of after I hit send - in both cases,
afterward he stands/kneels grieving over the body, completely
indifferent to his own safety. Can't see him doing that on GP if he
didn't have strong feelings for Blake.
Mistral
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Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 23:15:41 GMT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: jacquispeel@netscape.net, blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] ~Rumours of death - how not to be spotted
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Jacqui wrote:
<Somebody mentioned this problem earlier a few days ago and I think I have
a solution - they used the 'artificial brain' from Harvest of Kairos that
produced the distorting mirror image - so the spaceport control and
everybody else never 'saw' the Liberator as such.>
Yes, but given the Sopron's unique power, what on earth *did* everyone see
that they all so blithely ignored?
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Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 00:27:01 +0100
From: "Ebony" <ebonyben@indigo.ie>
To: "Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: Even I noticed there were more than two people on the ship ...
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Sally said:
>there's not a lot one can say about Gan's relationship with Servalan or the
>Travii (if anyone can even see one, do let me know :-)) and nice,
>straightforward, uncomplicated friendships like Tarrant & Dayna, Vila &
>Cally, Vila & Gan, Blake & Cally etc simply don't seem to garner as much
>interest
Does anyone have any thoughts on Servalan and Cally? I'm not suggesting
that they liked each other, but I've always got the impression that Servalan
meant what she said in Powerplay about Cally being next, after she had dealt
with Avon (or words to that effect), and that it wasn't just an off-the-cuff
remark on her part. If Servalan had read the crew's dossiers, and assuming
that the Federation had one for Cally, I can't help wondering what was in
Callys.
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Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 17:26:26 -0600
From: Betty Ragan <ragan@sdc.org>
To: B7 Lyst <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon as loner? (was Dorian and Avon and *is* long ...)
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Carol wrote:
> We'll get back to it another time. I have made myself a promise to tackle
> other projects.
Sounds very functional to me. :)
> I think it is a matter of tastes. The vision of B7 that most interests me is
> an ensemble of ordinary, shades of gray people caught up in extraordinary
> situations. Not two extraordinary people--a Blake who stands out as someone
> unlike anyone else, and a dysfunctional Avon who is drawn to Blake against
> his will--whose intertwined lives will be the focus around which everything
> else revolves.
I think this does get at the core of things, yeah. (I *do* like stories
about ordinary people in extraordinary situations, but, no, it's not
quite the way I see B7.)
Anyway, it was interesting...
--
Betty Ragan ** ragan@sdc.org ** http://www.sdc.org/~ragan/
"The Himalayas are quite tall at this time of the year."
-- Vila Restal, promoting Earth tourism, _Blake's 7_
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Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 17:40:46 -0600
From: Betty Ragan <ragan@sdc.org>
To: B7 Lyst <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Offshoot of Dysfunctional/loner thread
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Sally Manton wrote:
> Sarah Beth, I would love to know where you got the 'Blake is white' bits
> from my rather LOUDLY VOICED opinions that he's arrogant, ruthless,
> autocratic, cold-blooded, wilful-to-the-point-of-obstinate and a right
> bastard when he wants to be ...
Actually, thinking about it, I think she probably got it from *my*
enumerations of Blake's positive points. Which I did because I was sort
of asked specifically about Blake's positive points (well, in an
indirect sort of way), but I could see where that might have given an
unbalanced view of my take on the character, anyway.
> (yes, if I
> sound a bit annoyed, I apologise but I am. I've tried rather hard *not* to
> call someone else's version of the show 'unrealistic' because I don't agree
> with it.)
It is easy to find oneself getting a bit defensive in discussions like
this, isn't it?
(Umm, just realized that might sounds a little condescending. It's
definitely *not* meant to be. Goodness know, *I've* occasionally felt a
bit defensive.)
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Date: 27 Oct 00 17:07:48 PDT
From: Jacqui Speel <jacquispeel@netscape.net>
To: jacquispeel@netscape.net, blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [Re: [B7L] ~Rumours of death - how not to be spotted]
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Servalan's latest Death Star?
(For those having an hour change this weekend the mnemonic is 'spring for=
ward
fall back')
"Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com> wrote:
Jacqui wrote:
<Somebody mentioned this problem earlier a few days ago and I think I ha=
ve =
a solution - they used the 'artificial brain' from Harvest of Kairos that=
=
produced the distorting mirror image - so the spaceport control and =
everybody else never 'saw' the Liberator as such.>
Yes, but given the Sopron's unique power, what on earth *did* everyone se=
e =
that they all so blithely ignored?
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Date: 27 Oct 00 17:10:46 PDT
From: Jacqui Speel <jacquispeel@netscape.net>
To: "Blakes 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [Re: [B7L] Is Avon dysfunctional? (was Re: Avon as loner?)]
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Or perhaps they were following their own game plans - 'While "they" are
chasing Blake et al, I can feather my own nest' - and consider the end of=
the
Soviet Union - all sorts of local powerbases acting on their own account
Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au> wrote:
> =
> My excuse for ignoring this plothole is that much of the relevant
> security records went up in smoke along with Star One. That, or as soon=
> as Avon got his mitts on Orac, he went on a Seek-Locate-Destroy mission=
> of his own.
After all, if macho-man Jarvik can tamper with his computer records
(or get someone to do so) then Avon certainly could!
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Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 20:15:19 -0400
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Is Avon dysfunctional?
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Carol answered Betty:
>> And one of the themes she claims to see =
>>a lot in fanfic involves the tension between the =
>>need for independence and the need for emotional ties. =
>
>I've never seen that independence and emotional ties
> were mutually exclusive, so I can't relate to that.
Isn't that the point - that the tension may or may not be resolved into a=
balance in which they aren't mutually exclusive?
>> The impulse to revenge is normal, if not, IMO, laudable. =
>> I do regard what Avon did in "Rumours" as extreme. =
>>Disturbingly so.
>
>He had put in enough safeguards that I don't see it as all that
disturbing.
How about they torture him in such a manner that he can't rub the back of=
his neck?
>Avon's reactions told me that he had complete =
>trust in Soolin and that he understood what she =
>was up to from the get go. His disgusted look =
>was acting intended to support her endeavor. =
Even in this case, it indicates that he thought looking disgusted would b=
e
an adequate reaction to betrayal by a colleague, rather than something mo=
re
histrionic to make sure the guards got the point.
And even when he shoots Anna, he doesn't make half such a song and dance
about it as he does with Blake. Then, he really does ham it up so much
that I'm almost prepared to believe that they set it all up to fool someo=
ne
watching...
Carol continued:
>I was thinking about what you said about Paul's blank
> expression and it occurred to me that is exactly =
>what I see at STAR ONE ...
...
> He's at the point where his emotions are finally in balance. =
>Blake will get what he wants; Avon can be happy for him. =
>And Avon will get what he wants, which makes him happy for =
>himself. The conflict between them is over; only the good remains.
But at that moment on Star One, there's no guarantee that either of them
will get anything they want. The likeliest end to their conflict is that=
both of them will be dead in a few hours.
And in my version, both of them are wearing extremely flattering shades o=
f
dark grey. But then my family was one of the last to get a colour
television.
Harriet
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Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 20:16:11 -0400
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Avon and Marriage
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Ellynne speculated about Avon's romantic possibilities:
>he found it conducive to his survival to get married - =
>only to have Mary Sue's hopes thrown apart as the life =
>anddeath imperative only immediately vanishs (sort of =
>a 'Mary Sue wakes up and smells the coffee' scenario).
But smelling coffee is the only pleasant thing to do with it, so this
doesn't sound too bad a scenario to me.
>Mansfield Park: He might express an interest in Fanny,
> but only until she had been sufficiently saved from =
>marrying the guy she didn't want.
What about Mary Crawford? Together, they come up with a romantic plan to=
rob a bank and elope.
Harriet
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Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 17:49:54 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: between a rock and a hard place
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Ellynne said:
> The
> thing about Blake is, when faced with two choices that he cannot except,
> he either creates a third or stands around dithering looking for a third.
How I wish there could be 2 versions of seasons 3 & 4... one with Blake
still with the crew. Would Blake have been conned into going to Terminal
for heroic reasons? If so, what would happen at the end of Stardrive?
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Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 20:56:24 -0600
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Deja Vu
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On Fri, 27 Oct 2000 19:58:44 GMT "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
writes:
> Steve wrote:
> <Maybe Forress could be a candidate to join the crew.>
>
>
> and Iain:
> <A bit too dead, though, which is a disadvantage.>
>
> That never stopped any of us before ...
>
I hear the voice of Miracle Max adding (more or less), "For your
infromation, there's different kinds of dead: there's sort of dead,
mostly dead, and all dead." And, as Miracle Max also said, "I'm good at
dead,"
Although the idea of Avon and Vila dragging Blake's, Foress', or anybody
else's body through the forests of Florin seems a bit much even for B7
("Hello, my name is Kerr Avon. It's 30 minutes into the show, so I'm
sure you killed somebody. Prepare to die.").
Ellynne
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Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 21:02:05 -0600
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [Re: [B7L] ~Rumours of death - how not to be spotted]
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On 27 Oct 00 17:07:48 PDT Jacqui Speel <jacquispeel@netscape.net> writes:
> Servalan's latest Death Star?
>
> "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Jacqui wrote:
> <Somebody mentioned this problem earlier a few days ago and I think
> I have
> a solution - they used the 'artificial brain' from Harvest of Kairos
> that
> produced the distorting mirror image - so the spaceport control and
>
> everybody else never 'saw' the Liberator as such.>
>
> Yes, but given the Sopron's unique power, what on earth *did*
> everyone see
> that they all so blithely ignored?
>
Well, given the nature of sopron and given the nature of the average
Federation guard (when suffering a severe attack of plot
expediantitis)... er, bigger idiots than themselves?
Or maybe Avon got a cloaking device up and running for the duration of
the episode?
Ellynne
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Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 21:25:32 -0600
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: between a rock and a hard place
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On Fri, 27 Oct 2000 17:49:54 -0700 Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
writes:
>
> How I wish there could be 2 versions of seasons 3 & 4... one with
> Blake
> still with the crew. Would Blake have been conned into going to
> Terminal
> for heroic reasons? If so, what would happen at the end of
> Stardrive?
>
Blake gets Soolin to get on the communications gear (since she was least
likely to be on any Federation wanted lists) and pretend to be a rather
hysterical escapee from the space rats (preferably one who isn't sure if
she's gotten the communications gear working and who obviously isn't
receiving messages). Something with lots of sobbing and stuff (Soolin
doesn't get much chance to do things like this, but I imagine she got
good at putting on whatever kind of act she needed to to survive while
with the creeps who killed her family) like, "Please, can anyone hear us?
We escaped from the Space Rats. They're pursuing us. I don't know how
to fly this ship. Del - our pilot - they shot him. I think he's dying.
Please, is there anyone out there? I'm a Federation citizen [good spot
to insert name if Avon's been able to get Orac to dig up any missing and
important citizen lists (or maybe just something implying convincingly
well connected)]." etc. Perhaps have someone making convincing sobbing
sounds in the background (another female [Dayna] would be best, but Vila
may have better acting skills for the part) for Soolin (sounding very
like someone about to lose it herself) to intermittently tell to be
quiet, and finally scream at (insert a few convincing sobs of her own),
before sounding like she's more or less gotten a grip on herself and
begin repeating her message again.
They should probably have waited to do this till the pursuit ships were a
few minutes away (the less time the guys flying them have to think, the
better [but not so soon that the pilots don't have time to rethink
shooting]). Done right, the pilots could think
1) There is a wounded pilot, possibly one of their own, onboard
2) There is a reasonably ranking Federation citizen onboard who, rather
obviously, can't manage the radio much less the flight controls
And, most importantly -
3) Tells the male pilots who have been in space or at male dominated
military bases for who knows how long that there is a highly distressed
damsel in their firing ranges who will, no doubt, be incredibly grateful
to anyone who rescues her (as, they may assume, will her presumably well
connected daddy).
They only need to buy five minutes to get out of this, after all.
Ellynne
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Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 22:08:18 -0600
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Is Avon dysfunctional? (was Re: Avon as loner?) (getting even longer)
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On the question of Avon trusting Blake and therefore realizing he is
vulnerable through that trust and, consequently, being that much more
willing to believe Blake has betrayed them.
It happens. I could tell you about a textbook example (it always scares
me when people start acting so much like a description in a pop
psychology book that they look like a bad classroom skit done to
illustrate the point). A woman from a bad family environment (lots of
verbal abuse and constant put downs) had some self esteem problems. A
really great guy proposed to her and she accepted. She then immediately
began acting like an out and out jerk till the engagement was broken off.
She later married a guy who, frankly, was a complete loser (this was all
extremely distressing to the friends who watched this particular episode
of self destruction).
As near as anyone could ever verbalize it, the fact that a guy she
considered wonderful was in love with her was, in and of itself, suspect.
The thinking seemed to be, "I'm awful. If he knew the real me, he'd dump
me. I'll prove it." (Although I also wonder if there wasn't a part of her
trying to prove he loved the 'real' her no matter how awful that real her
was [there really are people who do this. They want to be reassured but,
since the real problem is how they view themselves and not how others
treat them, no reassurance is ever good enough (no, I don't consider Avon
in quite this league of dysfunctionalness as a general rule)]). She then
went for a guy who was a jerk, but that made him 'safe.' He was at the
level she thought she deserved and she knew what she was getting. Go for
a guy who's going to leech off of you and treat you like dirt, and you at
least know where you stand (I am _not_ making this up).
OK, application to Avon. He trusts Blake - but he doesn't trust _trust_.
He's putting his guard down and, in his experience, that's just opening
yourself up to attack. He _knows_ he's vulnerable. There may also be
some problems on the receiving end. Why should someone trust _him_? Why
_shouldn't_ Blake sell him out? He knows the kind of person Blake is, he
knows he wouldn't do that - but why _shouldn't_ he? Avon's gone out of
his way to tell him _not_ to trust him, to antogonize him, to prove he
means nothing to him, to point out to him that they should look out for
themselves, not these ideals. Why _shouldn't_ Blake act the way so many
people in Avon's experience would act in these circumstances? The way
Avon has always said people _should_ act, looking out for themselves and
not caring about anyone else?
Ellynne
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Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 05:41:21 GMT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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Helen said:
<How I wish there could be 2 versions of seasons 3 & 4... one with Blake
still with the crew. <snip> what would happen at the end of Stardrive?
IMO, he'd have made the same decision as Avon did. He wouldn't have said
the "who?" - wouldn't have answered Dayna, or said anything at all.
PS - have to admit, Ellynne's version was much much more fun ...
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Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 04:30:17 EDT
From: Mac4781@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Is Avon dysfunctional?
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Harriet wrote:
> Isn't that the point - that the tension may or may not be resolved into a
> balance in which they aren't mutually exclusive?
One would think that based on CB-S's words, but it doesn't happen to be the
case, IME. The general opinion (and my opinion as well) is that inadequate
research led her to draw a number of erroneous conclusions. Jenkins' book
came out a short time later and IMHO received more adulation than it deserved
because it followed such a shoddy effort. I don't think Jenkins came even
close to capturing the essence of fandom or fan writing as well as two
members of our lists have. Una's study in 1998 and Sarah's essays on slash
stories. All IMHO.
Carol Mc
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Date: 28 Oct 00 11:32:08 PDT
From: Jacqui Speel <jacquispeel@netscape.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] playing dead
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And in Hitchhiker's guide to the Galaxy Zaphod Beeblebrox (phonetic spell=
ing)
playing dead for a year for tax purposes
"Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com> wrote:
On Fri, 27 Oct 2000 19:58:44 GMT "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
writes:
> Steve wrote:
> <Maybe Forress could be a candidate to join the crew.>
> =
> =
> and Iain:
> <A bit too dead, though, which is a disadvantage.>
> =
> That never stopped any of us before ...
> =
I hear the voice of Miracle Max adding (more or less), "For your
infromation, there's different kinds of dead: there's sort of dead,
mostly dead, and all dead." And, as Miracle Max also said, "I'm good at
dead,"
Although the idea of Avon and Vila dragging Blake's, Foress', or anybody
else's body through the forests of Florin seems a bit much even for B7
("Hello, my name is Kerr Avon. It's 30 minutes into the show, so I'm
sure you killed somebody. Prepare to die.").
Ellynne
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Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 12:47:32 -0600
From: Betty Ragan <ragan@sdc.org>
To: B7 Lyst <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Deja Vu
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Ellynne G. wrote:
> Although the idea of Avon and Vila dragging Blake's, Foress', or anybody
> else's body through the forests of Florin seems a bit much even for B7
> ("Hello, my name is Kerr Avon. It's 30 minutes into the show, so I'm
> sure you killed somebody. Prepare to die.").
Oh, they'd drag Blake's body, I'm sure, but Avon would make Vila carry
most of it. And I think Dayna would make a better Inigo. Except
Servalan would have to be Prince Humperdink, not the six-fingered man.
And I have no idea who Buttercup would be. Hmm, no, OK, I've convinced
myself the two don't map. But it would be fun to try!
--
Betty Ragan ** ragan@sdc.org ** http://www.sdc.org/~ragan/
"The Himalayas are quite tall at this time of the year."
-- Vila Restal, promoting Earth tourism, _Blake's 7_
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Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 12:59:36 -0600
From: Betty Ragan <ragan@sdc.org>
To: B7 Lyst <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Is Avon dysfunctional?
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Ellynne G. wrote:
> The thinking seemed to be, "I'm awful. If he knew the real me, he'd dump
> me. I'll prove it."
I find it not entirely implausible that this is -- in part, and to a
small degree -- something Avon is doing.
> (no, I don't consider Avon
> in quite this league of dysfunctionalness as a general rule)]).
I very much agree with this, however.
> She then
> went for a guy who was a jerk, but that made him 'safe.'
Hmm, would Avon's version of the jerk be Servalan? :) (I *think* I'm
kidding about that...)
> OK, application to Avon. He trusts Blake - but he doesn't trust _trust_.
> He's putting his guard down and, in his experience, that's just opening
> yourself up to attack. He _knows_ he's vulnerable. There may also be
> some problems on the receiving end. Why should someone trust _him_? Why
> _shouldn't_ Blake sell him out? He knows the kind of person Blake is, he
> knows he wouldn't do that - but why _shouldn't_ he?
Yes, this is very much the way I see it. Nice summary (unlike my own
incoherent ramblings :)).
--
Betty Ragan ** ragan@sdc.org ** http://www.sdc.org/~ragan/
"The Himalayas are quite tall at this time of the year."
-- Vila Restal, promoting Earth tourism, _Blake's 7_
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Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 12:34:30 -0400
From: "Doraleen McArthur" <d.mcarthur@worldnet.att.net>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Headhunter (was Re: Avon as loner?)
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> Katie wrote re Animals:
> <Oh no, I did that one the same day. Og's got a heck of a head on him
> there. I enjoyed that.>
>
> Hey Una, you may have another convert ...
See, though, I couldn't really evaluate it rationally, because I kept
thinking "oh, but I've got to be nice to it for Una's sake." There are
definitely other episodes that bother me more, though. "Kairos", for
example, even though I adore them bluffing Servalan with the, er, lunar
lander.
> Yep. Extremely silly but lots of fun, and Vena is one of the few people
> that Avon takes a *liking* to IMO ... I like Headhunter. And like the
next
> one - Assassin - even more, even if Avon (and Soolin) not shooting Piri in
> three seconds flat is another one of those 'suspension of disbelief goes
> twang' moments. It's a good 'Our Heroes Behaving Badly' episode, which I
> always enjoy (see Horizon :-)).
Well, I'll see how I like "Headhunter" then - I'm off to the
treadmill-in-front-of-the-VCR, (which is a really wonderful combination)
once I finish e-mail.
--Katie
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Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 22:41:48 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Headhunter (was Re: Avon as loner?)
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Katie wrote:
> > Katie wrote re Animals:
> > <Oh no, I did that one the same day. Og's got a heck of a head on him
> > there. I enjoyed that.>
> >
> > Hey Una, you may have another convert ...
>
> See, though, I couldn't really evaluate it rationally, because I kept
> thinking "oh, but I've got to be nice to it for Una's sake."
I'm pleased to see that emotional blackmail is working as a tool for
getting people to re-evaluate 'Animals'.
Una
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Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 21:49:32 GMT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Headhunter (was Re: Avon as loner?)
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Una wrote:
<I'm pleased to see that emotional blackmail is working as a tool for
getting people to re-evaluate 'Animals'.>
Yeessss ... I could always try it for 'Voice From the Past' but somehow I
don't think I'm as skilled at it as you are (doesn't help when *I* can see
the faults as well).
Actually, I was going to make you an offer when the next
voting-for-Lisa's-pages comes along. You vote for Redemption for me, I'll
vote for Animals for you (and that *is* a good offer, you will notice that
none of my 'Animal Good Points' involved how lovely My Darling or anyone
else looked, which is of course *what matters most* in screen captures ;-))
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Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 21:59:34 GMT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: FC: I'm enjoying this brand new show about a bloody big ship...
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Una wrote:
<even B7 knew very well that you can't give everyone enough lines with a
crew of seven.>
Well, you could if they didn't all liek the sound of their own voices as
much as Our Heroes do <g>
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Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 23:07:32 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Headhunter (was Re: Avon as loner?)
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Sally wrote:
> Una wrote:
> <I'm pleased to see that emotional blackmail is working as a tool for
> getting people to re-evaluate 'Animals'.>
>
> Yeessss ... I could always try it for 'Voice From the Past' but somehow I
> don't think I'm as skilled at it as you are (doesn't help when *I* can
see
> the faults as well).
OK, emotional blackmail and a limitless capacity for self-delusion.
> Actually, I was going to make you an offer when the next
> voting-for-Lisa's-pages comes along. You vote for Redemption for me,
I'll
> vote for Animals for you (and that *is* a good offer, you will notice
that
> none of my 'Animal Good Points' involved how lovely My Darling or anyone
> else looked, which is of course *what matters most* in screen captures
;-))
You're on.
Una
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Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 23:06:07 +0100
From: "Pat Sumner" <pat@freedomcity.fsnet.co.uk>
To: "b7 lyst" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] playing dead
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From: "Jacqui Speel" <jacquispeel@netscape.net>
Subject: [B7L] playing dead
And in Hitchhiker's guide to the Galaxy Zaphod Beeblebrox (phonetic
spelling)
playing dead for a year for tax purposes
Terribly sorry about this, but I must point out that it wasn't Zaphod
Beeblebrox (you spelt him correctly) who was spending a year dead for
tax reasons, but Hotblack Desiato (universe-famous rock star lead of
Disaster Area).
Unless of course you've come across yet anbother version of the Guide.
Maybe in series 4 of Blakes 7, it was Servalan that was spending a
year dead for tax reasons...
Wildean
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Date: 28 Oct 00 16:38:25 PDT
From: Jacqui Speel <jacquispeel@netscape.net>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [Re: [B7L] playing dead]
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Well, ZB is 'slightly' more memorable as a person. (And it is a long time=
since I watched/read it)
What would Orac make of the Guide (though which of the two computers is h=
e?)
"Pat Sumner" <pat@freedomcity.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
From: "Jacqui Speel" <jacquispeel@netscape.net>
Subject: [B7L] playing dead
And in Hitchhiker's guide to the Galaxy Zaphod Beeblebrox (phonetic
spelling)
playing dead for a year for tax purposes
Terribly sorry about this, but I must point out that it wasn't Zaphod
Beeblebrox (you spelt him correctly) who was spending a year dead for
tax reasons, but Hotblack Desiato (universe-famous rock star lead of
Disaster Area).
Unless of course you've come across yet anbother version of the Guide.
Maybe in series 4 of Blakes 7, it was Servalan that was spending a
year dead for tax reasons...
Wildean
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