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blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 304
Today's Topics:
Re: [Re: [B7L] Deja Vu] [ Jacqui Speel <jacquispeel@netscape. ]
Re: [B7L] playing dead [ Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana. ]
Re: [B7L] Re: between a rock and a h [ "Dana Shilling" <dshilling@worldnet ]
Re: [Re: [B7L] playing dead] [ Betty Ragan <ragan@sdc.org> ]
[B7L] BTW, speaking of Lisa's screen [ "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com ]
Re: [B7L] Avon as loner? (was Dorian [ "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl> ]
Re: [B7L] Avon as loner? (here we go [ "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl> ]
Re: [B7L] Is Avon dysfunctional? (wa [ "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl> ]
Re: [B7L] Is Avon dysfunctional? [ "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl> ]
Re: [B7L] Avon as loner? (was Dorian [ "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl> ]
Re: [B7L] if Shakespeare wrote Blake [ "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl> ]
Re: [B7L] Dealing with the TN (was: [ "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl> ]
[B7L] Third-season Avon (was Is Avon [ Mac4781@aol.com ]
Re: [B7L] Had to be seen to be ... b [ "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl> ]
Re: [B7L] Avon as loner? (was Dorian [ "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com ]
Re: [B7L] if Shakespeare wrote Blake [ "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com ]
Re: [B7L] Dealing with the TN (was: [ Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana. ]
Re: [B7L] Dealing with the TN (was: [ "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com ]
Re: [B7L] Had to be seen to be ... b [ "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com ]
Re: [B7L] It's all Zen's fault (was: [ "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com ]
Re: [Re: [B7L] Had to be seen to be [ Jacqui Speel <jacquispeel@netscape. ]
Re: [Re: [B7L] playing dead] [ Jacqui Speel <jacquispeel@netscape. ]
[B7L] Crossovers [ Jacqui Speel <jacquispeel@netscape. ]
[B7L] The best known Pauline Hanson [ "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.co ]
[B7L] Re: TV Years [ "Jane Elizabeth MacDonald" <haplo@d ]
[B7L] Rumours of Blake's death [ "Pat Sumner" <pat@freedomcity.fsnet ]
Re: [B7L] It's all Zen's fault (was: [ "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com ]
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Date: 28 Oct 00 16:43:27 PDT
From: Jacqui Speel <jacquispeel@netscape.net>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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And to change authors again in Dickens Tale of Two Cities, would Blake be=
the
hero who is saved, or would he be Sidney Carton sacrificing himself for t=
he
other two (and Servalan would be Madame Desfarges (spelling again - I hav=
e not
read the book in a long time) knitting by the gallows) =
Betty Ragan <ragan@sdc.org> wrote:
Ellynne G. wrote:
> Although the idea of Avon and Vila dragging Blake's, Foress', or anybod=
y
> else's body through the forests of Florin seems a bit much even for B7
> ("Hello, my name is Kerr Avon. It's 30 minutes into the show, so I'm
> sure you killed somebody. Prepare to die.").
Oh, they'd drag Blake's body, I'm sure, but Avon would make Vila carry
most of it. And I think Dayna would make a better Inigo. Except
Servalan would have to be Prince Humperdink, not the six-fingered man. =
And I have no idea who Buttercup would be. Hmm, no, OK, I've convinced
myself the two don't map. But it would be fun to try!
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Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 12:02:56 +1100
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] playing dead
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On Thu, Dec 04, 2036 at 06:00:24PM -0700, Jacqui Speel wrote:
> And in Hitchhiker's guide to the Galaxy Zaphod Beeblebrox (phonetic spelling)
> playing dead for a year for tax purposes
No, it wasn't Zaphod, it was Hotblack Desiato, the lead in the rock
band Disaster Area.
Kathryn Andersen
(amazing what trivia is stuck in my brain...)
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operate one of these weird black controls, labelled in black on a
black background, a little black light lights up black to let me know
I've done it. What is this, some kind of galactic hyper-hearse?"
-- Zaphod Beeblebrox (The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy)
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Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 21:41:01 -0400
From: "Dana Shilling" <dshilling@worldnet.att.net>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: between a rock and a hard place
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Helen asked:
Would Blake have been conned into going to
> > Terminal
> > for heroic reasons? If so, what would happen at the end of
> > Stardrive?
"Right. Avon, Vila, get down into that hold--I'm sure she can
get it fitted a lot faster if she has some help. Soolin, get me
a cup of tea."
-(Y)
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Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 20:39:54 -0600
From: Betty Ragan <ragan@sdc.org>
To: B7 Lyst <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [Re: [B7L] playing dead]
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Jacqui Speel wrote:
> What would Orac make of the Guide (though which of the two computers is he?)
Oooh, that's what I wanna see! Orac vs. Eddie, next, on Celebrity
DeathMatch!
--
Betty Ragan ** ragan@sdc.org ** http://www.sdc.org/~ragan/
"The Himalayas are quite tall at this time of the year."
-- Vila Restal, promoting Earth tourism, _Blake's 7_
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Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 07:34:58 GMT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] BTW, speaking of Lisa's screen caputres ...
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I received the CD last week and recommend it whole-heartedly to everyone -
it's wonderful, sooo fast to load, utterly simple to operate and of course
heaps and heaps of wonderful pictures (and a very nice, neat, professional
presentation as well).
I love it. A bargain at twice (or even, in my prejudiced eyes, thrice) the
price ...
Thank you, Lisa.
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Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 12:11:37 +0100
From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon as loner? (was Dorian and Avon and *is* long ...)
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(Working my way through a week's backlog after my holiday:)
Neil wrote:
>Y'know, it's rather fun watching a bit of fur flying around on the Lyst
whilst knowing that just for once I had nothing to do with it:)<
It's I who must plead guilty here, as I think it was my reply to Helen's
post about Dorian and Avon which triggered all this response.
>Any ideas of Avon spending most of his time brooding in isolation and
shunning the proximity of his fellow crew<
I would imagine him spending most of his time studying Liberator's systems.
And there is that remark by Blake (sorry, can't remember the episode) that
Avon seems more at home with machines than people.
>probably come from reading too much fanfic.<
Neil, Neil, this is heresy from a fanzine-editor :-)
>Maybe the notion of Avon-as-loner arose from the way he can distance
himself emotionally from people (and situations in general) even when he's
in close physical proximity to them. Hence the notion (quite wrong, IMO) of
poor ickle wounded Avon hiding in his shell from the nasty big world.<
Well, that's not how I see him either. On the contrary, I regard his
emotional self-sufficiency as quite healthy. The point I was trying to
make, with my usual clumsiness, was that the fact that Avon can get on with
his crewmates doesn't have to mean that he can't be content on his own.
I suppose, it depends on how you define the word 'loner'. I meant it as
someone who doesn't need company to be happy, not as some anti-social
recluse unable to interact with other people, nor as someone who wants to
hide from the big bad world.
>Sounds more to me like an arrogant big-nosed bastard sneering down his
snoot at the brainless riffraff whose company he hav to kepe ect.<
IMHO his crewmates stop taking him seriously almost from the word go.
Jenna's early put downs are a treat (I wish she'd keep them up). Vila
always gives back as good as he gets. Cally's looks of patient indulgence
speak for themselves. When provoked, Blake can be completely blistering.
They're all more than a match for him.
Marian
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Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 12:43:19 +0100
From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon as loner? (here we go again ...)
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Sally wrote:
>it's like the 'noli me tagere' aspect of his nature, in which he appears at
once stand-offish, so much so that a lot of fan lore says he *hates* to be
touched - and the undeniable fact that when you watch the episodes, he not
only has no problem, but is actually
*inclined* to touch, even with those people he doesn't much care for.<
Yes, I love that aspect of his nature. And to me it indicates a much more
'normal' (in the sense of undamaged) man than most fans give him credit for
:-)
<snip>
>I love that line in Horizon, the quiet satisfaction of his "I am not alone
after all". Indicates strongly that he's come to want people - if only
*these* people - around (I am not saying for one minute that there are times
he doesn't go and hide in one of the most distant hold on the Liberator,
just for some time out. Then again, I'm sure Blake and probably Jenna do
too :-)).<
I interpret that line quite different. I don't hear any satisfaction. To
me it sounds like relief that he hasn't risked his life for nothing (wasting
time going down to check whether the others really are dead while that
Federation flotilla is approaching).
><grin> Can't agree (everyone pretend to be surprised ...) I think he's
'fond' of Cally, he likes her (as he is Dayna) and can work well with her in
one of her good episodes (Voice being an example) but I see very little
evidence that he actively enjoys her conversation or company as such (I love
that line about "the sparkling company on the flight deck" from
Sarcophagus - he's speaking to one of the *least* sparkling people to ever
set foot on the Liberator, after Gan and the Altas). And I'd love to know
how you square that 'prepared to take him as he is' bit with Children of
Auron/Rumours of Death, where Cally seems to me to resent the fact that he
won't defer to her
morals (but then my Cally is not a tolerant person. Neither is my Avon <g>
for that matter.)<
Well, to me Cally's behaviour in Children and Rumours seems dreadfully out
of character compared to what we see in the rest of the show. But you're
right, I should have said "she usually takes him as he is". It's all those
indulgent and tolerant looks she casts him whenever he's being obnoxious,
that give me the impression. Also, I regard her as clever enough to realise
that trying to change a man like Avon is an exercise in futility :-)
>Actually, this could be used as an argument that he *is* a loner by
instict, but I think it's more complicated than that. Avon prefers the
company of people he likes/enjoys more to being alone<
I don't agree with the word 'more'. I'd settle for 'equally', maybe :-)
Just IMHO of course.
>Errr ... this seems to have gotten rather off the 'is Avon a loner' thread.
So what do I think of that idea? Well, as usual, that it's not that simple
with Avon, is it :-)?
We can agree on that :-)
Marian
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Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 12:54:10 +0100
From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
To: "B7 Lyst" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Is Avon dysfunctional? (was Re: Avon as loner?) (long)
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Betty wrote:
> Now, me, I think he *was* dysfunctional in certain ways, and to a
certain extent (more so as time went on and his circumstances got worse and
worse). . . .<
IMHO Avon keeps functioning exeptionally well through all the setbacks in
S3-4. I read all the transcripts of S4 before before I saw any of the
episodes and and I couldn't understand the Avon-goes-mad theory because on
paper his actions were as logical as ever. (Yes, even him shooting Blake -
he thought the bloke had betrayed him, turned bounty hunter for real and
lured them into a trap.)
When at last I got the videos of S4 and saw Darrow trying to portray a mad
Avon (and failing IMHO) that I understood where the theory came from. But
it never convinced me :-)
Marian
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Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 14:57:03 +0100
From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Is Avon dysfunctional?
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Carol Mac wrote:
>This is where we disagree again. I think. I don't think his approach to
emotional issues and interpersonal relationships is so severely maladjusted
that he isn't able to cope with the consequences. But that's a judgment
call and there really isn't much to say about it except that the manner in
which he copes with Anna's betrayal indicated a mentally and emotionally
healthy individual to me. Yes, there was an initial shock, but then he
pulled himself together and went on.<
Exactly. I can't see any difference in Avon's behavior in S3 prior and
after Rumours. He seems to recover very quickly from the shock of Anna's
betrayal, he even manages to put his own misery aside when he goes to check
on Cally.
Yes, he has a reason for that - the need to get her to agree they go mining
that asteroid. But to me that whole enterprise sounds as such an unlikely
project that it makes me suspect him of having come up with it solely to get
an excuse for checking on her :-)
>I thought he was actually better at reading people than most of his
shipmates, but not out of an instinctual empathy with the human race. He
observed people and learned from those observations.<
His "He's a crusader" is IMHO the best description of Blake from the whole
series.
>For instance, it was his sure knowledge that his third-season shipmates
would support him that made him go through the elaborate effort to keep them
out of it.<
I find it touching how in Rumours, Avon implicitly trusts his crewmates to
get him out of the Federation prison. With him away there was nothing to
prevent Tarrant from taking Liberator and run. Cally had been against it
from the start and neither Vila nor Dayna would have been able to stop
Tarrant abandoning him. Yet Avon seems to be absolutely certain that
they'll be there when he needs them. It's one of his most trusting moments.
>And that's fine, if it appeals. Why not interpret the show in a way that
makes it more enjoyable for you. <
And aren't we all glad that the show leaves so much for us to inrterpretate?
:-)
Marian
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Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 15:10:12 +0100
From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon as loner? (was Dorian and Avon and *is* long ...)
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Sally wrote re Hostage:
>"Leave me, watch yourself." Depends on how serious you think he was at
that minute - I think he was (to coin a phrase) dead serious.<
IMHO he was dead serious, but out of pure self interest :-) By now Travis's
fixation on Blake must be apparent to the others. Which means that Avon
knows that when Blake runs, Travis will go after him. So, the faster and
further away Blake runs, the safer Avon will be. Cold, logical reasoning
:-)
Marian
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Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 15:24:04 +0100
From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] if Shakespeare wrote Blakes 7
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Natasa wrote:
>Hence we so often miss proper motivation for his actions - or at
least, for the moments when he changes his mind. For example, we are given
prefectly solid motivation for his preventing Jenna to bring Blake back from
Cygnus Alpha, but we haven't got a clue what happens inside Avon afterwards.
Likewise, there is no mistery about Avon's reasons for wanting to desert the
crew in Breakdown or Horizon, but it's total mistery why he eventually fails
to do so.<
Well, to me his reason for returning to Liberator in Breakdown is perfectly
clear. With Kayn, who has already sold out Liberator to the Federation,
knowing his identity, it must be clear to Avon that Farron's promise of
safety is worthless. This really leaves him no alternative but to return to
Liberator.
Of course, it is also possible that he was disappointed by the level of the
technology in the computer section of the space station, or even that he
found his future colleagues less challenging than Liberator's crew :-)
Marian
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Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 15:36:23 +0100
From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
To: "B7 Lyst" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Dealing with the TN (was: Is Avon dysfunctional?)
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Betty wrote:
>Well, first of all, I don't think Avon has a particular problem with
things like dealing with the Terra Nostra,<
Actually, it seems to me he has strong objections to doing business with
them. Whether this was on moral grounds is debatable of course, and if it
was he would never admit it anyway :-) His reasons may be that he doesn't
think it's going to work, in which he's right, and that taking part in the
negotiations will bring him into danger, which it does.
Marian
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Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 09:37:15 EST
From: Mac4781@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Third-season Avon (was Is Avon dysfunctional?)
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Marian wrote:
> Exactly. I can't see any difference in Avon's behavior in S3 prior and
> after Rumours. He seems to recover very quickly from the shock of Anna's
> betrayal, he even manages to put his own misery aside when he goes to check
> on Cally.
I do see a difference in his behavior, but it's a positive difference to me,
a difference that is only obliquely related to Anna, in that his quest for
vengeance set up the changes. RUMOURS forced Avon to get involved with his
crew. He'd been trying to maintain a distance up until then. And once he
got involved, he couldn't get uninvolved. RUMOURS also showed the
third-season crew how deeply Avon could care for someone. So I see a lot of
positive things coming out of RUMOURS, and that's what allowed the crew to
become the gestalt that Dorian refers to in RESCUE.
> Yes, he has a reason for that - the need to get her to agree they go mining
> that asteroid. But to me that whole enterprise sounds as such an unlikely
> project that it makes me suspect him of having come up with it solely to
get
> an excuse for checking on her :-)
I completely agree with this. It was so typically Avon. His actions show
that he cares.
And there's that wonderful line that for me personifies the Avon I see on the
screen: "Regret is part of being alive. But keep it a small part."
> His "He's a crusader" is IMHO the best description of Blake from the whole
> series.
One of my favorite moments that shows how well Avon knows the others is when
he translates for Tarrant at the end of SARCAPHAGUS:
TARRANT: You sure you're up to this, Cally?
AVON: Translated, that means how do you feel?
> I find it touching how in Rumours, Avon implicitly trusts his crewmates to
> get him out of the Federation prison. With him away there was nothing to
> prevent Tarrant from taking Liberator and run.
Nothing except Tarrant himself. I was not surprised that Tarrant was one of
the two who teleported down to fetch Avon. Given Tarrant's loyalty and his
strong sense of responsibility, I don't think he was far from the teleport
the entire time Avon was gone.
Carol Mc
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Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 16:06:02 +0100
From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Had to be seen to be ... believed?
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Sally asked:
>What do people have most problems swallowing? The science? (DotG, for
instance - Black hole ahoy! Or Justin's experiments?) The SFX? (actually,
the Andromedan's addiction to Kitchen front ship design never bothered me
...) The characters? (Now this is *definitely* my field - trying to take
Governor le Grande seriously ... oh dear oh dear).<
O dear indeed. Taking Voice from the Past seriously... Travis's mummy
disguise... :-)
>So when do *you* hear that little mental 'twang' when said suspension gives
way entirely?<
When one of the regulars is made to act uncharistically stupidly / totally
out of character for plot reasons. Glaring examples are:
Aftermath: Avon leaving Orac in the care of a blind man while knowing that
Servalan is after it. No matter how much blows on the head he's had, his
sense for self preservation will make him hang on to his only means for
returning to Liberator. He would have taken Orac with him to his bedroom,
ordered it to shrink and put it under his pillow :-)
Sand: Servalan falling in love with a man as unappetising as Don Keller.
(He could have been an Adonis in his youth but somehow I doubt that.)
Servalan crying. Tarrant wooing the woman responsible for the death of his
brother.
Seek-Locate=Destroy and others: Blake letting the man who killed 20 (30?)
of his friends go free to kill some more.
Power: That silly kiss. Avon's in a hurry to get away, so why waste time
on a defeated enemy?
Terminal (and this is my pet hate): Avon knowingly walking into a trap and
delivering himself into his enemy's hands without a proper rescue plan. Him
being caught isn't going to help Blake at all. I can accept Avon doing
stupid things, but this seems much too illogical for him.
Marian
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Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 20:22:21 GMT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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Marian wrote:
<By now Travis's fixation on Blake must be apparent to the others. Which
means that Avon knows that when Blake runs, Travis will go after him.>
No he won't, not with that sort of bartering chip lying there bleeding into
the snow. Remember Travis's earliest assessment of his bete noir "he has
one reliable fault ... loyalty." And Avon's own crack about the "great big
bleeding heart." and most importantly how Travis *got* Blake to Exbar in the
first place (not that I'd blame you for forgetting Inga, goodness knows I
try to).
He had Blake (literally) cold, and (due to yet another rush of
cliched-cillan-itis) let him live to get away. Now he can have one of
Blake's crew, injured and in his hands ..? He's not *that* stupid (even in
Hostage) as to pass it up ...
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Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 20:28:07 GMT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] if Shakespeare wrote Blakes 7
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Marian wrote:
<With Kayn, who has already sold out Liberator to the Federation, knowing
his identity, it must be clear to Avon that Farron's promise of safety is
worthless. This really leaves him no alternative but to return to
Liberator.>
Which, as Farren points out, is more than likely to be destroyed in the next
hour.
Well, as Servie says, there no one more free than a dead man.
I always liked Suzann Lovett's suggestion from 'The Road to Hell' - he came
back in case the Liberator *didn't* make it. But then I love that story
anyway ...
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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 07:07:43 +1100
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Dealing with the TN (was: Is Avon dysfunctional?)
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On Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 03:36:23PM +0100, Marian de Haan wrote:
> Betty wrote:
> >Well, first of all, I don't think Avon has a particular problem with
> things like dealing with the Terra Nostra,<
>
> Actually, it seems to me he has strong objections to doing business with
> them. Whether this was on moral grounds is debatable of course, and if it
> was he would never admit it anyway :-) His reasons may be that he doesn't
> think it's going to work, in which he's right, and that taking part in the
> negotiations will bring him into danger, which it does.
I agree that Avon has strong objections to doing business with them...
and I don't think it was solely pragmatic... well, perhaps that's not
the way to put it. Would one call it "moral grounds" when he quite
reasonably figures that if you get the Terra Nostra to help with the
revolution then the cure would be worse than the disease? The Terra
Nostra are bad news whichever way you look at them. Blake was
terribly naieve to think that it was a good idea. But then, he'd
probably never dealt with them before. Vila had, and I suspect that
Avon might have too, hence his knowledge that they were bad news.
Kathryn Andersen
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Gan: They need help!
Avon: Do they?
Gan: Well, you heard him.
Avon: It's not quite the same thing.
Jenna: Avon's right. We need more information.
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Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 20:31:35 GMT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Dealing with the TN (was: Is Avon dysfunctional?)
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After Betty wrote:
<Well, first of all, I don't think Avon has a particular problem with things
like dealing with the Terra Nostra,>
Marian wrote:
<Actually, it seems to me he has strong objections to doing business with
them <snip> His reasons may be that he doesn't think it's going to work,>
Have to agree, but of course, Avon didn't think they had a hope in hell of
winning from the word go ("what do you want to be, rich or dead?").
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Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 20:38:58 GMT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Had to be seen to be ... believed?
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Marian wrote:
<Terminal (and this is my pet hate): Avon knowingly walking into a trap and
delivering himself into his enemy's hands without a proper rescue plan. Him
being caught isn't going to help Blake at all. I can accept Avon doing
stupid things, but this seems much too illogical for him.>
Oh he *did* think up a rescue plan, Marian, I'm sure. Nineteen or twenty of
them at least. But after staying awake for thirty hours, then getting that
spectacular shaking up from the fluid cloud, everything he could think of
was so very (and increasingly) improbable and nonsensical that he just gave
up and went for the Cavalry Charge that has always worked so well before.*
(*except that it very often didn't, but being tired he forgot that small
point.)
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Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 21:02:15 GMT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] It's all Zen's fault (was: Avon as loner?)
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Marian wrote:
<Well, to me Cally's behaviour in Children and Rumours seems dreadfully out
of character compared to what we see in the rest of the show.>
Well, let us try to be fair (it doesn't to me, but leave that for the moment
:-))
I've already established to My Own Satisfaction that Avon had a tummy bug in
DeathWatch. Now suppose it was the futuristic (and veeeerrry slow-moving)
Bug-That's-Going-Around right the way through Zens' airconditioning system
through third season (I work in an office - we have colds that last longer
than the War of the Roses)
So we get ...
- a further explanation of Avon's relative lack of sparkle in Volcano/Dawn
(he picked it up on Sarran).
- Dayna gets a touch of it round about Kairos - being young and ultra-fit,
she throws it off easily, but it explains her thickness in letting Servie
go.
- Cally picks it up just before Children and that makes *her* sour and
rather crabby.
- it appears to go away for a while, but Tarrant definitely has a dose in
Moloch.
- then My Poor Darling gets it back in Deathwatch (seeing as he is cheif
candidate for Suffering, Beautiful or definitely *Not*, this is only fair).
Well, I like it ...
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Date: 29 Oct 00 13:40:09 PST
From: Jacqui Speel <jacquispeel@netscape.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [Re: [B7L] Had to be seen to be ... believed?]
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One reason why Servalan was lying about Blake being dead in Terminal - su=
rely
she would have had it broadcast over all the news-services across Federat=
ion
territory and beyond?
"Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com> wrote:
Marian wrote:
<Terminal (and this is my pet hate): Avon knowingly walking into a trap =
and =
delivering himself into his enemy's hands without a proper rescue plan. =
Him =
being caught isn't going to help Blake at all. I can accept Avon doing =
stupid things, but this seems much too illogical for him.>
Oh he *did* think up a rescue plan, Marian, I'm sure. Nineteen or twenty=
of =
them at least. But after staying awake for thirty hours, then getting th=
at =
spectacular shaking up from the fluid cloud, everything he could think of=
=
was so very (and increasingly) improbable and nonsensical that he just ga=
ve =
up and went for the Cavalry Charge that has always worked so well before.=
*
(*except that it very often didn't, but being tired he forgot that small =
point.)
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Date: 29 Oct 00 13:46:26 PST
From: Jacqui Speel <jacquispeel@netscape.net>
To: "Blakes 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [Re: [B7L] playing dead]
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There appears to be a timewarp here.
Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au> wrote:
On Thu, Dec 04, 2036 at 06:00:24PM -0700, Jacqui Speel wrote:
> And in Hitchhiker's guide to the Galaxy Zaphod Beeblebrox (phonetic
spelling)
> playing dead for a year for tax purposes
No, it wasn't Zaphod, it was Hotblack Desiato, the lead in the rock
band Disaster Area.
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Date: 29 Oct 00 13:48:22 PST
From: Jacqui Speel <jacquispeel@netscape.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Crossovers
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Just watched Dr Who Timeslash =
That laugh (and that hair!)
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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 09:13:20 EST
From: "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] The best known Pauline Hanson quote (was Avon as loner?)
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That's right, Sally: "Please explain".
>From: Mistral <mistral@centurytel.net> >Sally Manton wrote:
> > Goodness, Joanne proved quite conclusively that it isn't even >
>canonical that the Lobster Top is red!
>Really? I'm sorry to have missed that
So'm I. Way I feel at the moment, however, that isn't entirely surprising.
Regards
Joanne
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Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 22:56:40 -0000
From: "Jane Elizabeth MacDonald" <haplo@death-gate.freeserve.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: TV Years
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Just turned on Sky One for the end of TV Years 1981 at 9-30 pm and they were
showing Blake's 7. I missed most of it but I saw a picture of Dayna and
Tarrant. Did anyone see the whole thing?
Jane
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Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 23:03:28 -0000
From: "Pat Sumner" <pat@freedomcity.fsnet.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Rumours of Blake's death
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From: "Jacqui Speel" <jacquispeel@netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [Re: [B7L] Had to be seen to be ... believed?]
> One reason why Servalan was lying about Blake being dead in
Terminal - surely
> she would have had it broadcast over all the news-services across
Federation
> territory and beyond?
I disagree with this.
It was established in series one (Seek-Locate-Destroy to be precise)
that all news of Blake's 'activities' was being suppressed. The
official story would have been that Blake was rotting on Cygnus Alpha.
If it was then announced that Blake had been killed (on Jevran or
anywhere that wasn't Cygnus Alpha), then that would cast doubt on the
official story established previously; and by extension would cast
doubt on all official Federation announcements.
- Wildean
"Most people are other people. Their thoughts
are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry,
their passions a quotation."
-- Oscar Wilde
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Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 23:45:36 GMT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] It's all Zen's fault (was: Avon as loner?)
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Further to the Bug-That-Didn't-Die ...
It just occurred to me that this is a perfect explanation for Avon's looking
for Blake *in* the third series (for those who can't accept the simple 'of
course he does, it's Blake' argument :-)).
It's obvious. Given the 'mother's-home-remedies' that the others suggest ...
Vila's patented faux-chicken and soma soup, Tarrant's militarily-tough
senega-and-ammonia and caster oil, and Cally's totally indecipherable and
unspeakable Auron potions ("my people have a saying ... the worse it taste,
the better it must be for you") AND Zen's offering of assorted
unpronouncable chemicals (with the new improved petroleum flavour) ... he's
desperate to get the recipe for Great-Grandma Rojina's
Ersatz-Blackcurrent-Concentrate-and-Rum Toddy (hey, the mindwipe didn't take
*everything* ...)
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