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blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 38
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L] Police
Re: [B7L] bullies
[B7L] radw
Re: [B7L] radw
Re: [B7L] radw
Re: [B7L] radw
Re: [B7L] radw
[B7L] speaking of merchandise
Re: [B7L] Police
[B7L] Nonviolent/Massacre
Re: [B7L] Servalan's Manipulations (was Animals.. me too)
[B7L] PGPs
Re: [B7L] speaking of merchandise
Re: [B7L] PGPs
Re: [B7L] PGPs
Re: [B7L] PGPs
Re: [B7L] PGPs
Re: [B7L] Servalan's Manipulations (was Animals.. me too)
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Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 19:57:18 -0000
From: "David A McIntee" <Master@allisurvey.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Police
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> From: Neil Faulkner <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
> There are two references to a police force in the series, both 4th
Season.
> Dayna 'reminded' Plaxton of the time she'd reported a missing ground car
to
> the police as stolen, and the General in Traitor referred to
investigation
> of Practor's murder as a job for the police (and since he had already
been
> told that Sleer had commandeered the investigation, we can infer that
> Servalan was posing as a police commissioner).
>
> Blake was appointed as an official law enforcement officer in the final
> episode. Reeve's rank of Investigator (in Sand) suggests he was a police
> officer (maybe one of Sleer's subordinates).
I suspect that Federation security forces probably break down in much the
same way as the former Soivet bloc - with the "police" being troops
belonging to the Interior Ministry rather than the Defence Ministry
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Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 19:59:51 -0000
From: "David A McIntee" <Master@allisurvey.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "B7 Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] bullies
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> From: Julie Horner <jihorner@dial.pipex.com>
> To: B7 Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
> Subject: Re: [B7L] bullies
> Date: 07 February 2000 20:20
>
> From: "Pat Patera" <patpatera@netzero.net>
>
> > Mistral wrote:
> <then big snip including Pat's comments on intimidating US cops
> and the quote from Nazi Germany:
> 'At what point did you realize what your nation was becoming?"
> The answer: "When our peace officers looked like soldiers."
Historically, most peace officers have been drawn from the ranks of
soldiers in most parts of the world - so that isn't much of a warning sign!
> Assuming that peace officers are what we might otherwise understand to be
> police officers, this seems to correspond to what we see of law
enforcement
> in the Federation, i.e. as far as I am aware there are is no distinction
> between law enforcers and the military.
As I replied to Neil's post, I reckon Federation police are akin to the MVD
in the old Soviet system.
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Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 23:40:36 +0000
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] radw
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I decided to go lurk in another fannish group, since I was off work ill
but not ill enough to stay in bed.
rec.arts.drwho doesn't seem to like Blake's 7 much... Apparently the
show is dead, the reruns on the BBC should be stopped at once, and its
mailing list talks about nothing but homoerotica. God, I am tempted to
delurk...
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"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 16:55:10 -0700
From: The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca>
To: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
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Subject: Re: [B7L] radw
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Go ahead and bring up B7. Some radwers are lamers.
On Tue, Feb 08, 2000 at 11:40:36PM +0000, Julia Jones wrote:
> I decided to go lurk in another fannish group, since I was off work ill
> but not ill enough to stay in bed.
>
> rec.arts.drwho doesn't seem to like Blake's 7 much... Apparently the
> show is dead, the reruns on the BBC should be stopped at once, and its
> mailing list talks about nothing but homoerotica. God, I am tempted to
> delurk...
> --
> Julia Jones
> "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
> The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
>
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Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 20:07:36 EST
From: KKrause658@aol.com
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In a message dated 2/8/00 6:57:02 PM Eastern Standard Time,
julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk writes:
<< ec.arts.drwho doesn't seem to like Blake's 7 much... Apparently the
show is dead, the reruns on the BBC should be stopped at once, and its
mailing list talks about nothing but homoerotica. >>
homoerotica? Has everyone been talking code that I missed? j/k and what do
"whovies" talk about?
Karen
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Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 19:30:32 -0600
From: Lisa Williams <lcw@dallas.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] radw
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KKrause658@aol.com wrote:
>homoerotica? Has everyone been talking code that I missed?
I suspect that the reference was to the Other List. It's still silly, of
course, 'cause we talk about het smut over there, too.
- Lisa
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Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 13:16:28 EST
From: "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] radw
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>From: Lisa Williams <lcw@dallas.net>
>I suspect that the reference was to the Other List. It's still silly, of
>course, 'cause we talk about het smut over there, too.
Lurking through Deja.com, I got the impression the person was referring to a
much older "disagreement" here.
<smile> We can't, of course, help it if the gentleman is not up-to-date or
misinformed as to the current state of affairs...
Regards
Joanne
(palm itching - which may mean that overtime money is coming my way! <grin>
And just before I go on holiday, too!)
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Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 21:13:29 -0600
From: "huh" <huh@ccm.net>
To: "Lysator List" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] speaking of merchandise
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Wasn't it this list which was dinged for lack of merchandise information? I
consider it my humble duty to point out that e-bay has a teleport bracelet
with claims of close contact to steven pacey up for bid. way out of my
league, but fascinating. now if he had just hung around he would have
caught this oh so important post! ;)
i hope i haven't broken any rules here- i don't recall reading that
merchandise mention was off limits. :)
I'd be happy to complete my video collection myself. sigh. Which to do, by
videos or actually buy a few fanzines? moan. I hate decisions. Of course I
can charge videos....
lisabeth
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coarse in their nervous sensibilities...will always be
the favored beverage of the intellectual."
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Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 19:24:08 -0700
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Police
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In an attempt to reconcile the rather confusing legal administration in
B7, maybe the confusion is more in a mixed up chain of command. Perhaps
military troops can be put under the (technical) control of police and
perhaps vice versa? This would still make things difficult for the
military and civilian leadership since, on the one hand, you have law
enforcement coming from people who may not see the civilian leader
assigned them as their 'real' leader. OTOH, the military might be uneasy
in acting too aggresively, knowing their people were used to taking
orders from the people they wanted them to go against.
Ellynne
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Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 19:38:21 -0700
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Nonviolent/Massacre
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The question came up why, in ep 1, Blake's friends peacefully surrender,
even though they know what's happened to other peacefully surrendering
types.
1) Personal belief--these may have been people who felt strongly about
nonviolence.
2) Going out with dignity--if you're surrounded and unarmed, some
pretence of acting on your own terms, even if it changes nothing, may be
preferable.
3) It HAS happened before. Blake isn't with the group. Could the
'peaceful surrender' speach have been a repeat of what Blake said when he
surrendered? A last ditch, desperate effort both to warn Blake and to try
and bring back his memory?
Ellynne
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Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 22:04:46 -0700
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Servalan's Manipulations (was Animals.. me too)
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On Mon, 07 Feb 2000 20:01:35 -0500 Cam MacLeod <cmacleod@ilap.com>
writes:
>
> Pat P wrote:
>
> >What if there were certain 'embarassments' Servalan/Sleer wanted to
> be
> >rid of? Federation citizens that she could not have (legally)
> >eliminated. People who knew things about her. How convenient if she
> >could program Avon to visit these folks. How even more convenient
> if
> >such encounters resulted in the untimely demise of those persons?
> >Persons such as: Dr. Mueller, Dr. Plaxton, the rotund Space
> Princess
> >Purser (Gold), the crooked miner (Games), Dr. Egrorian, Zukan, (the
> list
> >of 4th season fatalities is a long one) ... Blake!
>
The only problem seems to be the things Servalan _didn't_ use them for.
What was the point in having Zukan set up Xenon base and reveal its
location? And why go through the trouble of killing off Zukan if she
could have had Avon do it? And why did Avon have such a high fatality
rate around people she apparently wanted alive?
Besides, I think Servalan was practical enough, if she was really
controlling Avon, to push him into working directly with her and letting
Tarrant and the others run the rebellion for her.
What if _Servalan_ wasn't the one manipulating them? Who else could it
have been?
Well, I suppose it could have been the revenge of Travis' eyepatch. Maybe
this is the story behind how Blake lost his eye.
Ellynne
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Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 00:59:07 PST
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] PGPs
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Sarah wrote:
<Reading this soon after Gillian Marsden's "Chameleons" has gotten me
thinking about PGPs. (Er, that's Post Gauda Prime, aka Series 5, for
anyone new to B7 fanfic jargon.) Do most fans enjoy them? More or
less than other genres of fan fiction? What constitutes an especially
good one?>
The right people surviving, of course <grin>
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Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 18:30:15 +0000
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: Lysator List <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] speaking of merchandise
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In message <017901bf72ab$a470e760$3064e0d1@huh>, huh <huh@ccm.net>
writes
>I'd be happy to complete my video collection myself. sigh. Which to do, by
>videos or actually buy a few fanzines? moan. I hate decisions. Of course I
>can charge videos....
Charge? If by that, you mean buy on a credit card, you can do that for
fanzines as well:-)
--
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"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 19:08:33 -0000
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] PGPs
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Sally wrote:
> Sarah wrote:
> <Reading this soon after Gillian Marsden's "Chameleons" has gotten me
> thinking about PGPs. (Er, that's Post Gauda Prime, aka Series 5, for
> anyone new to B7 fanfic jargon.) Do most fans enjoy them? More or
> less than other genres of fan fiction? What constitutes an especially
> good one?>
>
> The right people surviving, of course <grin>
Anyone except Avon, in other words:)
Neil
"...Lennon got in the habit of issuing vague orders for the creation of
evocative sounds (he once asked Martin to make a song sound like an
orange)."
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Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 20:20:32 +0000
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: b7 <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] PGPs
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In message <001e01bf7332$1f73b920$e535fea9@neilfaulkner>, Neil Faulkner
<N.Faulkner@tesco.net> writes
>Sally wrote:
>
>Anyone except Avon, in other words:)
>
But Neil, get-Avon fans quite enjoy seeing him die, as long as it's done
soulfully.
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Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 12:40:12 PST
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] PGPs
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Julia wrote:
<But Neil, get-Avon fans quite enjoy seeing him die, as long as it's done
soulfully.>
And at great lovingly described length...
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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 07:31:28 +1100
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] PGPs
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On Wed, Feb 09, 2000 at 12:59:07AM -0800, Sally Manton wrote:
> Sarah wrote:
> <Reading this soon after Gillian Marsden's "Chameleons" has gotten me
> thinking about PGPs. (Er, that's Post Gauda Prime, aka Series 5, for
> anyone new to B7 fanfic jargon.) Do most fans enjoy them? More or
> less than other genres of fan fiction? What constitutes an especially
> good one?>
>
> The right people surviving, of course <grin>
I dunno... of course I can't really talk, seeing as my favourite
character is the one who survives the most anyway. But it would be
interesting to see one where, say, Dayna and Soolin were the only
survivors, if only for the change.
I do enjoy them, not necessarily more than other types. The advantage
a PGP has is that it is open-ended, so it can go on for a long time;
which is of course, only enjoyable if it *is* a good one.
What makes a good PGP? Well, of course, the normal things which make
a good story of any kind: good characterisation, plot, and style.
Originality of plot is a plus - if it's one of those ones where XYZ is
rescued by ABC, and look here, we have a brand new experimental ship
which is better than anything anybody else has got, let's go off and
have adventures - well, it needs to be very well written, otherwise
I'd be tempted to go "Ho hum, been there, done that..."
If Jabberwocky counted as a PGP (which it isn't, because it's an AU)
then it has extra interesting stuff besides that which makes it worth
reading, despite the fact that they do actually have a "brand new
experimental ship which is better than anything anybody else has got"
for one thing, the character of Jabberwocky itself is fun.
In one way, it's rather difficult for me to comment, because for me,
nothing will displace Ana Dorfstad's "The Pattern of Infinity" as the
best PGP ever written - and this is likely to be partially nostalgia,
because it was the first piece of fanfic of any kind that I read.
What does it have? Well, for one thing, it doesn't actually start
*after* "Blake". It tells of the events of "Blake" and leading up to
"Blake" from Blake's point of view. So that's an interesting change
of perspective. It isn't until you get to part 2 that you get to the
post-"Blake" timeperiod. Then there's the characterisation,
especially Avon.
Gee, I'm going to have to re-read it again soon, aren't I?
Kathryn A.
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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 08:38:17 EST
From: "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Servalan's Manipulations (was Animals.. me too)
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>From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
>Well, I suppose it could have been the revenge of Travis' eyepatch. Maybe
>this is the story behind how Blake lost his eye.
It's obviously too hot for me in Sydney today - this post has just merged
with Neil's Molesworthian explanation for Travis' change in appearance, to
no sensible effect whatsoever.
Or I need two weeks holiday more than I knew...
Regards
Joanne
(Thanks, Ellynne <smile>)
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