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blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 54
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L] Shots Fired
Re: Re [B7L]: 'Beautiful' suffering?
Re: [B7L] 'Beautiful' suffering
Re: Re [B7L]: 'Beautiful' suffering?
Re: [B7L] Closures&assorted ranting.
[B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #53
[B7L] Cult TV
[B7L] Liberator
[B7L] Way to go
[B7L] New Mailing List
Re: Re [B7L]: 'Beautiful' suffering?
Re: [B7L] Re: Beautiful suffering
[B7L] Have a peek.
[B7L] Attention: E-Mail Misunderstanding
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Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 17:01:22 -0000
From: "Julie Horner" <jihorner@dial.pipex.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Shots Fired
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From: "Pat Patera" <patpatera@netzero.net>
> Susie wrote:
> >(I'm being a bit silly.... I was surrounded by 4 year olds
>> today at my daughter's preschool.... run away run away
>> run away)
>
> I see you surrounded by hordes of squeeking, shrieking Decimas...
> A fate *worse* than four year olds!
Aaah! Thank you! You have just tied up one of those annoying little
mental links that torture the mind for days. I have just accompanied my 4
year old to three birthday partys in one weekend. One little boy with the
loudest, squeakiest, most irritating voice I have ever heard was at all
three and I have been racking my brains to remember what it was he reminded
me of...
Julie
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Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 21:13:01 -0000
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: Re [B7L]: 'Beautiful' suffering?
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Ellynne wrote:
> Reasons we enjoy Avon's Beautiful Suffering
>
> 1) Because it makes it so easy to imagine putting arms around him and
> saying "There, there," etc.
I suspect this has a lot to do with it. In fact, I wrote an essay on this
very theme in AltaZine (not one of those replicated on Judith's website,
though). Beautiful Suffering as a means of levelling off gender-based power
disparities is nothing new - there was stacks of it doing the rounds in the
late 18th Century (apparently), to the point where Mary Wollestonecraft was
driven to write a parody of the genre (also apparently).
But give me sweaty foul-mouthed kick-ass Action Bitches any day:)
Neil
"I am not a man, I am a free number."
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Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 17:15:20 -0000
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] 'Beautiful' suffering
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Pat P (who proudly claims to be perverted) wrote:
> Avon is so superior in so many ways: smart, handsome, in control - he
> seems totally out of reach of we mere mortals.
Surely that all depends on how you define 'superior'. You could cite the
same three qualities (well, maybe not 'handsome') as evidence of him being a
total jerk you wouldn't want to touch with gloves on.
> Plus, the man needs to be beaten to within an inch of his life before he
> will deign to show a wisp of emotion.
Simply not true. I wouldn't say he emotes any less than the rest of the
regulars. Indeed, if anyone on the Liberator's got a claim to be a
wooden-faced zombie, it's probably Cally. With Gan a close second. Perhaps
you mean that he doesn't do so in those areas of the emotional spectrum you
would prefer him to?
> When it comes to female characters suffering, I don't recall much of
> this in fanfic.
Well, I've certainly done it (in Kriegspielen [Star One] and Hunter [Star
Two]) and I think Russ Massey has too. There probably isn't enough
male-written fanfic to make regular themes identifiable, at least not as
obvious as the recurrent themes in fanfic written by women.
Neil
"I am not a man, I am a free number."
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Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 17:51:15 +0000
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: b7 <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: Re [B7L]: 'Beautiful' suffering?
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In message <000d01bf8146$6da22560$e535fea9@neilfaulkner>, Neil Faulkner
<N.Faulkner@tesco.net> writes
>But give me sweaty foul-mouthed kick-ass Action Bitches any day:)
>
Bit like the one I was watching in Time Squad on UK Gold this morning:-)
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 21:32:03 +0200 (EET)
From: Kai V Karmanheimo <karmanhe@cc.helsinki.fi>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Closures&assorted ranting.
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Andrew wrote:
<Glad you enjoyed your closure, but of course, you could now try and see
them all in the correct order as well ......>
Oh, I intend to do so in the near future. Then again, I could also try
watching them in reverse order, or perhaps in alphabetical order, or...
<But I do think it would be nice if Servalan, who was off plotting another
military coup, knew about what was going on at the very last minute, and
her victory was forever tainted by
missing the end of her greatest foe ( the Federation of course, posing
absolutely no problem at all).>
This could actually be suggested with a brief overdub to the original
episode soundtrack (if the BBC decided to tamper with history and release
a "revised" edition of "Blake"): as the director's credit appears on the
screen, the volume of the music is lowered slightly and we hear Servalan's
voice exclaim: "THEY ARE WHAT!? DEAD!? OH FU - ". At which point the final
fanfare cuts her off and we are left with the logo and the sound of
the closing synth sweeps.
Kai
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Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 14:40:22 -0500
From: Michael Bailey <michaelabailey@netzero.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #53
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Hi Pat,
I think that most of the guns sounded alike. The guns all looked like the same design. So I
think that Avon shot first. Of course this could be found incorrect but there is not enough
information to say it is wrong or correct. It's fun though isn't it?
Also, I am planning on unsubscribing from this list in a little while due to mail issues, so
if anyone has a question for me I will be on the blakes-7@onelist.com list. To subscribe
goto: http://www.onelist.com/list/blakes-7 I hope to get it going.
Mike
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Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 21:04:06 +0000 (GMT)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
cc: Freedom City <freedom-city@blakes-7.org>
Subject: [B7L] Cult TV
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Latest from Cult TV - CULT TV PRODUCTIONS ARE PLEASED TO ANNOUNCE THE LATEST
CONFIRMED GUESTS FOR:
THE SEVENTH ANNUAL CULT TV FESTIVAL
27-30 OCTOBER 2000
BARTON HALL
TORQUAY, DEVON, UK
The following have all agreed to attend the event subject to work and personal
commitments: ROGER MURRAY LEACH
Is a freelance Production Designer. He will be best known to TV fans for his
work on the "Liberator" from Blake's Seven where unusually his distinctive
design was chosen for the exterior model instead of that provided by Visual
Effects Designer, Ian Scoones. As well many of the sets for the first year of
this series he also worked on many classic Doctor Who stories of that period
including "The Ark In Space", "Planet of Evil", "The Deadly Assassin" and "The
Talons of Weng Chiang".
PETER PURVES
Known to a generation of television viewers from his eleven year's presenting
popular children's magazine show "Blue Peter". Initially starting his career as
an actor Peter also played Doctor Who Companion Steven Taylor alongside William
Hartnell during 1965/66. Since leaving Blue Peter in 1978 Peter has remained in
the public eye as a presenter of shows such as "StopWatch" and "Kick Start". He
was most recently seen returning to Blue Peter to help uncover their box for the
year 2000, which he helped bury in 1971. We are delighted that Peter has agreed
to make a rare appearance at Cult TV.
IAN RICHARDSON
Is one of the UK's leading actor's best known for his role as scheming
Machiavellian MP Francis Urquhart in the "House of Cards" trilogy. In addition
to this he has appeared in "Tinker, Tailor, Solider, Spy", "Brass", "Porterhouse
Blue", "An Ungentlemanly Act", "Mountbatten - The Last Viceroy", "Blunt"," The
Fourth Protocol", "Brazil", "Whoops Apocalypse" and Max Reiner in the
"Highlander" episode, "The Sins of The Father".
Most recently he has appeared in "The Magicians House" playin Stephen Tyler, as
Dr Joseph Bell mentor to a young Arthur Conan Doyle in "Murder Rooms" and as
Lord Groan in the BBC's lavish adaptation of "Gormenghast".
These guests join the following that have already been announced, namely:
PATRICK MCGOOHAN (Dangerman, The Prisoner)
ROBERT LLEWELLYN (Kryten from Red Dwarf)
CAROLINE JOHN (Liz Shaw from Doctor Who)
STEPHEN GREIF (Travis from Blake's Seven)
BRIAN JOHNSON (Visual Effects Designer from Space 1999, Alien etc)
PAUL CORNELL (Writer)
Please remember that we normally expect around 20 guests on the weekend and as
soon as more guest details are confirmed they will be announced.
Full details of all of the above guests including biographies as well as details
of how to book are available from the Cult TV websites at
www.culttv.net/events.htm and www.cult-tv.freeserve.co.uk. Further information
is also announced via the Cult TV e-mail lists at OneList. These can be accessed
via the above sites.
Issued by
PAUL R JONES
Cult TV Casting Director
20:00 GMT: Thursday 24th February 2000
Please note that this message supersedes all previous guest announcements.
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Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 16:54:10 -0500
From: Michael Bailey <michaelabailey@netzero.net>
To: "Blake's 7 Mailing List" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>,
"Blake's 7 Mailing List" <blakes-7@onelist.com>
Subject: [B7L] Liberator
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Hi Everyone,
I have recently been trying to find a model or replica of the Liberator does
anyone know where I can go to find this?
Mike
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Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 12:39:34 -0800
From: Pat Patera <patpatera@netzero.net>
To: B7 Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Way to go
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They all suffered ignominious deaths, accomplishing nothing.
How would each of the B7 crew have preferred to die?
Blake: in battle of words with Avon
Avon: information overload makes his head explode
Vila: tumble in and drown in a big brewers vat of soma
Cally: ascend to a higher plane of consciousness
Jenna: smothered in a big bear hug by Blake
Travis: in a mutual strangulation death grip with Blake
Dayna: in a mutual strangulation death grip with Servalan
Tarrant: doing daredevil loop de loop stunts in Scorpio
Soolin: in a shootout with herself, aka Games
Servalan: dressed to kill
Pat
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Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 17:32:01 -0800
From: Pat Patera <patpatera@netzero.net>
To: B7 Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] New Mailing List
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Kathryn made a dynamic rebel raid at the new list, a raid of which rebel
Cally would approve; and KA *didn't* get caught and tortured by Travis.
"Good job!" said Blake.
"She couldn't have done it without my research," Avon reminded.
"I don't want to go!" Vila wailed.
"Shut up, Vila!" they all chorused. "She has gone and come back
already."
Yes, I lurked a few days at the onelist list and yes, it seems highly
skewed to newbies, but it also has very much of a Gen X feel: posts are
mostly one liners or short graphs, commenting on long blocks of repeated
text and multi-lined sig files. It feels young. And yes, it's a pain to
scroll thru in digest mode.
I shall, hencewith, answer my own question about why Michael started a
new list: Gen X hasn't yet developed the patience to wade through Neil's
long, literary thesis-quality essays on intergalactic politics. (And
British labor laws.)
Patient Pat
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Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 07:41:25 +1100
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: Re [B7L]: 'Beautiful' suffering?
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On Sat, Feb 26, 2000 at 09:13:01PM -0000, Neil Faulkner wrote:
> But give me sweaty foul-mouthed kick-ass Action Bitches any day:)
Oh my. Blake's 7 meets Alien...
Kathryn A.
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Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 10:49:19 +0000 (GMT)
From: Iain Coleman <ijc@bsfiles.nerc-bas.ac.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Beautiful suffering
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On Sat, 26 Feb 2000, Helen Krummenacker wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Feb 2000, Neil Faulkner wrote:
>
> > Is it just me, or is there wider cause for concern about anyone who could
> > regard any form of suffering as 'beautiful'?
>
> You are not alone, Neil. I have, however, refrained from enquiring too
> closely, as I am just an innocent little Catholic boy and the answers
> would make me go all pink.
>
> Iain
>
> I take it you boys have never been to a tragedy in a theater,
Well, I've acted in a few.
> particularily of the operatic variety? What about scultures such as the
> "Pieta"? A great deal of art is built on human suffering, glorified by
> the juxtaposition of the small scale of humanity struggling against a
> large and often hostile universe.
>
I am a Big Fan of tragedy. However, I don't think tragedy is the same
thing as 'beautiful suffering' in this context at all. Tragedy has a
spitirual power which comes from the intensity of the tragic hero's
struggle against an inevitable bad end. Its profundity is fundamentally
religious. As far as an innocent like me can tell, the enjoyment of Avon's
suffering is rather less spiritual and rather more erotic.
Iain
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Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 06:53:16 EST
From: Bizarro7@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se, freedom-city@blakes-7.org
Subject: [B7L] Have a peek.
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I did up one of my B7 cartoons in a hand-colored print this weekend and it's
up for display on Annie's ongoing eBay auctions. Since I seldom did any of my
cartoons in color back in the 80's, this particular illo has never been seen
in this form before. She's also added a bunch of new stuff including B7
goodies, and will be adding a lot of B7 rarities through the week for
auction. Come and take a peek at:
http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/ashton7/
...and remember that it's very easy and free to register to bid on eBay.
Leah
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Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 15:37:15 -0500
From: Michael Bailey <michaelabailey@netzero.net>
To: "Blake's 7 Mailing List" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Attention: E-Mail Misunderstanding
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Attention:
I think there was a misunderstanding which happenes frequently in e-mail. I am
NOT leaving the lyster list due to any reason other than I want to get less
e-mail because of space and time and I want to get my list going. I enjoy
talking to everyone so much that I think I just changed my mind.... See you all
on the list!
Mike
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