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blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 57
Today's Topics:
[B7L] Blakes 7 Magazines for Sale
Re: [B7L] Blatant Oak Leaves-Not
Re: [B7L] Blatant Oak Leaves-Not
FW: Re [B7L]: 'Beautiful' suffering?
Re: [B7L] Blatant Oak Leaves
Re: Re [B7L]: 'Beautiful' suffering?
Re: Re [B7L]: 'Beautiful' suffering?
Re: [B7L] Blatant Oak Leaves-Not
[B7L] Introduction
[B7L] too much blakes 7 when...
Re: [B7L] Blatant Oak Leaves
Re: [B7L] Introduction
[B7L] Re: LHO and JFK
[B7L] Re: Pat & JFK
[B7L] sods and soul mates
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Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 17:04:27 -0700
From: Penny Dreadful <pennydreadful@powersurfr.com>
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Subject: [B7L] Blakes 7 Magazines for Sale
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"kokhin looi" asks me to pass this on:
I have found some old Blakes 7 magazines in my loft that date back to Oct
81 iss1 to 13 Number 12 is missing. Can you put me in touch with anyone or
club that is interested in collecting this type of stuff.
Yours Sincerely
kokhinl@hotmail.com
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 22:32:10 -0700
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
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1.Gan reminds me of a big, friendly dog.
I don't like dogs.
2. Continuing with the dog theme, Gan is like this neighborhood dog that,
during life and death crises, has been known to give a doggy smile, wag
his tale, and walk away without ever noticing his help would be
appreciated.
3. If Avon's more like a computer than Gan, how come Gan is the only one
who's ever been impersonated by a computer--and only the _computer_
noticed?
4. At least when Cally lets aliens on board, she's been possessed. Gan
rolls out the welcome mat ("And would you like a spot of tea with your
galactic domination?").
5. When the others accidentally let hostile aliens on board and get
attacked by them, they don't conclude that maybe these are friendly
aliens who just needed to feel more welcome.
6. However, if Gan had made it to Star One, he would have stopped the war
before it started. Five minutes of his "I'm OK, you're OK" approach,
possibly followed by an attempt to start an encounter group with them and
Travis, would have scared them right out of the galaxy.
7--Oh, all right, I'm being grossly unfair. Gan was a nice guy, and the
world needs more nice guys. The B7 universe could use a mass infusion.
But he was _boring_. No angst-the limitor kept him from expressing any.
No sarcasm or appreciation for irony-which had to be his own problem. He
was the only one in the group who seemed to be _enjoying_ Cygnus Alpha.
And they never had any fun with him. Like, say, Gan and Avon marooned in
space. Gan decides to keep Avon's spirits up with an endless round of
camp songs (Avon, being wounded, can only suffer beautifully instead of
rewiring the limitor to stop Gan from ever thinking of music again). Or
Gan saves the galaxy by assuming everyone is really just misunderstood
and needs a hug (the frustrated villains suffer heart attacks while
trying to explain that, "No, we're really evil. You understand? Evil! We
kill pink, fuzzy bunnies for fun. We hired Servalan's tailors. There's
no depravity we wouldn't inflict on the universe, understand?" And Gan
just replies, "Oh, you only think you're that way. Come on, let's turn
that frown upside down. Have a smiley face sticker.")
It occurs to me that Gan could have fallen through a wormhole into the
"Back to the Beach" movie and easily passed himself off as Annette
Funnicello's long lost brother. That part where Annette's daughter
questions Annette's belief that having a pajama party with all her old
friends will somehow solve all her problems and bring her recently
seperated husband back to her and Annette says, "I don't know, life's
always just worked out that way for me."
Surely I'm not the only one who suspects that, if Gan had been in charge,
there would have been an early effort to overthrow the Federation through
means of a surfing contest? Or would he prefer cricket?
Besides, like I said, Gan was just a big, friendly dog. And I don't
_like_ dogs.
Ellynne
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Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 18:06:51 EST
From: "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
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>From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
>Surely I'm not the only one who suspects that, if Gan had been in charge,
>there would have been an early effort to overthrow the Federation through
>means of a surfing contest? Or would he prefer cricket?
Well, I would, for what it's worth. Then Gan can be trained in impersonating
Merv Hughes (though I don't know about that moustache - I don't think it's
really Gan at all); and Judith & co would love to be trained to chant the
mantra "Legend, deadset legend", I'm sure!
Regards
Joanne
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 20:44:46 +1100
From: Andrew Williams <AWilliams@daikin.com.au>
To: "'blakes7@lysator.liu.se'" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: FW: Re [B7L]: 'Beautiful' suffering?
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Neil wrote:
>(if it was me, I would probably have hidden in a cupboard or something).
Thus Vila is vindicated yet again (Headhunter).
Andrew.
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 05:52:17 EST
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Andrew wrote:
> Gan was more handsome than Tarrant (ducks).
<snicker> Oh, Andrew, if that's the only thing you can come up with that Gan
is "better" at than Tarrant, then you belong in the Tarrant Nostra. We're
engraving your name in the record books immediately. However, we are not
including you in our ranks of sharpshooters as we think your eyes may be a
tad dodgy. :)
Ellynne wrote:
> 4. At least when Cally lets aliens on board, she's been possessed. Gan
> rolls out the welcome mat ("And would you like a spot of tea with your
> galactic domination?").
LOL! Good one.
But while I'm here, I'd like to get a bit serious about Gan who is often so
underappreciated.
> But he was _boring_. No angst-the limitor kept him from expressing any.
Alas, alas. I see a far more complex and interesting Gan than you do. No
angst? This is the poor guy who had to reluctantly admit he was staying on
Liberator because "I have to. I... I want to stay alive. And to do that I
need people I can rely on. I can't be on my own." That's suffering, and
it's better suffering because he's not sobbing his eyes out and wearing his
heart on his sleeve.
Gan knows he's a liability, that there are times when he's going to be
helpless to help. Wonderful angst potential there.
> No sarcasm or appreciation for irony-which had to be his own problem.
I rather liked it that Gan was able to relate to people without defensive
irony and sarcasm as protective armor. That doesn't mean he wasn't aware of
irony, as in SHADOW:
AVON: Your professional simplicity is beginning to irritate me.
ENFORCER: Well think of it as a temporary problem. Move.
GAN (after whopping enforcer and knocking him out): Simple enough for
you?
> He
> was the only one in the group who seemed to be _enjoying_ Cygnus Alpha.
I'd say he was making the best of a very bad situation.
> Surely I'm not the only one who suspects that, if Gan had been in charge,
> there would have been an early effort to overthrow the Federation through
> means of a surfing contest? Or would he prefer cricket?
I wouldn't mind seeing either. Cricket would have been a lot more
entertaining and far less dangerous than revolution, and it couldn't have
been any less successful than the more violent attempts to bring down the
Federation that we saw in the show.
But this image of Gan as a fuzzy teddy bear (or dog) does seem to overlook
his take charge with a vengeance approach in SPACEFALL.
GAN: Look, we only need the hand. If you want to stay attached to
it, do as you're told.
When you are as large as Gan is, you can go a long way on intimidation factor
alone. And he used that with chilling effectiveness in SPACEFALL. I can't
watch that bit without getting shivers up my spine. Gan's the man!
Carol Mc
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Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 18:39:00 -0000
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: Re [B7L]: 'Beautiful' suffering?
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Louise wrote:
> Try "Sleepy Hollow" - I don' t think I've ever seen anyone faint so many
times in a film :-)
But that's a Tim Burton film, I believe, and therefore breaks all the rules
by definition,
Neil
"I am not a man, I am a free number."
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Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 18:55:52 -0000
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: Re [B7L]: 'Beautiful' suffering?
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Steve K wrote:
> > The trouble with action bitches is that however positive a depiction of
> > women they may be (though the positivity of the values they embody is
> > questionable within a gender-free context), they cannot escape being a
> > vicarious expression of male doubts over the authenticity of the
machismo
> > myth.
>
> Hmm. While I can't argue the male fantasy thing, I can poke the latter
> a bit: namely, action-oriented, tough, violent responses to a situation
> aren't the sole perogative of the male.
Agreed, but there is a difference in the stock responses of the typical male
and female action hero. The former might do little more than flare his
nostrils or narrow his eyes menacingly (if you can see them behind his cool
mirror shades), whilst the latter typically screams, hollers, shudders,
quivers, retches and leaves a glistening trail of cold sweat in her wake.
> It's only seen that way because it's usually portrayed that way.
And portrayals are pernicious things.
Neil
"I am not a man, I am a free number."
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 14:08:28 EST
From: Prmolloy@aol.com
To: rilliara@juno.com, blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Blatant Oak Leaves-Not
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In a message dated 3/2/00 1:52:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, rilliara@juno.com
writes:
<< 1.Gan reminds me of a big, friendly dog.
I don't like dogs.
I LOVE dogs (have two of my own) but let's face it, their thought processes
pretty much revolve around sniffing things, marking things, eating things,
and sleeping. Gan might be a big St. Bernard - a recuse type dog with
generations of instinct bred into him, but there are no deep thought echoing
in his large doggy brain.
2. Continuing with the dog theme, Gan is like this neighborhood dog that,
during life and death crises, has been known to give a doggy smile, wag
his tale, and walk away without ever noticing his help would be
appreciated.
3. If Avon's more like a computer than Gan, how come Gan is the only one
who's ever been impersonated by a computer--and only the _computer_
noticed?
Since we're on the animal theme, Avon's more like a cat than a computer:
self-possessed, independent, and intolerant of the wrong attention. I think
he does the hissing pretty well too. (there a story about Vila turning into
a beagle and Avon turning into a cat that is quite on point here).
4. At least when Cally lets aliens on board, she's been possessed. Gan
rolls out the welcome mat ("And would you like a spot of tea with your
galactic domination?").
Very much like a large Golden Retreiver wagging his tail furiously at the
burglars breaking into your home.
5. When the others accidentally let hostile aliens on board and get
attacked by them, they don't conclude that maybe these are friendly
aliens who just needed to feel more welcome.
Perhaps a lick, or a sniff in the right place will do ....
6. However, if Gan had made it to Star One, he would have stopped the war
before it started. Five minutes of his "I'm OK, you're OK" approach,
possibly followed by an attempt to start an encounter group with them and
Travis, would have scared them right out of the galaxy.
I don't think Star One permitted animals - too much slobbering on the
critical computers and all that ...
7--Oh, all right, I'm being grossly unfair. Gan was a nice guy, and the
world needs more nice guys. The B7 universe could use a mass infusion.
But he was _boring_. No angst-the limitor kept him from expressing any.
No sarcasm or appreciation for irony-which had to be his own problem. He
was the only one in the group who seemed to be _enjoying_ Cygnus Alpha.
And they never had any fun with him. Like, say, Gan and Avon marooned in
space. Gan decides to keep Avon's spirits up with an endless round of
camp songs (Avon, being wounded, can only suffer beautifully instead of
rewiring the limitor to stop Gan from ever thinking of music again). Or
Gan saves the galaxy by assuming everyone is really just misunderstood
and needs a hug (the frustrated villains suffer heart attacks while
trying to explain that, "No, we're really evil. You understand? Evil! We
kill pink, fuzzy bunnies for fun. We hired Servalan's tailors. There's
no depravity we wouldn't inflict on the universe, understand?" And Gan
just replies, "Oh, you only think you're that way. Come on, let's turn
that frown upside down. Have a smiley face sticker.")
It occurs to me that Gan could have fallen through a wormhole into the
"Back to the Beach" movie and easily passed himself off as Annette
Funnicello's long lost brother. That part where Annette's daughter
questions Annette's belief that having a pajama party with all her old
friends will somehow solve all her problems and bring her recently
seperated husband back to her and Annette says, "I don't know, life's
always just worked out that way for me."
Surely I'm not the only one who suspects that, if Gan had been in charge,
there would have been an early effort to overthrow the Federation through
means of a surfing contest? Or would he prefer cricket?
Besides, like I said, Gan was just a big, friendly dog. And I don't
_like_ dogs.
Ellynne
I do, and Gan was a lovely pet. It's a terrible fact that all pet owners
must face: our pets have a much shorter life span than we do. At least Blake
was never faced with the decision of putting Gan down; Travis was considerate
enough to arrange for Gan to go out heroically, serving his master to the end.
Trish
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 20:28:50 -0000
From: "Ariana" <ariana@ndirect.co.uk>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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Hello everyone
"Who she?" you probably all asked when I posted that bit about the
"Strangerers" on Sky One. Given the stunned silence I got as a reaction, I
think it would have been a good idea if I introduced myself first! :)
I'm 27, and although I was born and raised in France, I've been working for
three years in London. In real life, I'm a computer technician, but I'm also
a big telly addict, with a particular interest in sci-fi shows. Recent
interests have included Star Trek: The Next Generation, Deep Space Nine, and
Space: 1999. Assuming there's any interest, you can read the results of my
passage in those fandoms at http://www.alpha.ndirect.co.uk. My only "real"
claim to fame is winning Sky One's Trekmasters competition last year!
I enjoy writing and reading fanfiction of all kinds. In fact, the first I
heard of Blake's 7 was when I started lurking on the alt.startrek.creative
newsgroup and stumbled on a discussion about slash. OK, so that probably
wasn't the most orthodox introduction to the unfortunate show! ;)
More recently, I've been hearing a lot of good about the series from
Space:1999 fans, and not least, from my boyfriend, who holds that Blake's 7
is one of the best TV shows ever. So now, the BBC is showing the series
again, and I'm looking forward to finding out what the palaver is all about!
Ariana
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 20:58:25 -0000
From: "Alison Page" <alison@alisonpage.demon.co.uk>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] too much blakes 7 when...
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you listen to the radio, and rate songs particularly highly when you can fit
them to B7 characters...
I was reading some poetry and the same thing started happening. Auden isn't
my absolute favourite poet but I think he fits B7 particularly well for some
reason. He's very slashy (of course), rather camp and dark at the same time.
Most people probably know this one, but it never struck me how well it
fitted Servalan. In almost every detail (I suppose you'd have to change the
last word to .. what?... test tubes?) I've flipped the pronouns too of
course
Perfection, of a kind, was what she was after
And the poetry she invented was easy to understand
She knew human folly like the back of her hand
And was greatly interested in armies and fleets;
When she laughed, respectable senators burst with laughter
And when she cried the little children died in the streets
Alison
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 21:26:57 -0000
From: "Andrew Ellis" <Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Blatant Oak Leaves
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><snicker> Oh, Andrew, if that's the only thing you can come up with that
Gan
>is "better" at than Tarrant, then you belong in the Tarrant Nostra. We're
>engraving your name in the record books immediately. However, we are not
>including you in our ranks of sharpshooters as we think your eyes may be a
>tad dodgy. :)
Oh Carol ,
I was just trying to be nice.
If you really want to know, Gan was more mature than Tarrant. But then so
was Dayna. And Vila. And Cassabi's (sp) daughter. And Servalan. Get the
picture.
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Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 14:41:12 -0700
From: Penny Dreadful <pennydreadful@powersurfr.com>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Introduction
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At 08:28 PM 02/03/00 +0000, Ariana wrote:
>Hello everyone
Hello Ariana. Welcome to the house of fun.
>"Who she?" you probably all asked when I posted that bit about the
>"Strangerers" on Sky One. Given the stunned silence I got as a reaction, I
>think it would have been a good idea if I introduced myself first! :)
I have been posting here for well over a year and have become quite
accustomed to the sound of stunned silence in response -- although I prefer
to think of it as speechlessness in the face of my awesome intellect and
impeccable prose.
ObB7,
GAN [cheerfully]: So how 'bout that Space-Hockey game last night?
REST OF CREW: (Moopy silence.)
GAN: Any of you have a chance to catch it?
[Cally and Jenna roll their eyes at each other. Vila clutches his head and
curls up into an even tighter ball. Blake and Avon continue the icy-staring
contest they have been engaged in for the last half hour]
GAN: The Mars Mutoids looked like they had it sewed up, but then their
goalie ran low on blood serum and the Cygnus Alpha Psychos really started
kicking...
ORAC: Gan! Fetch! [A brightly coloured space-rubber ball bounces across the
flight deck floor and out the door with Gan in dogged pursuit]
[Several more minutes of silence]
BLAKE: Orac, just out of curiosity, how did you manage to throw that ball?
ORAC: (Moopy silence.)
...and so on.
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Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 15:17:13 -0800
From: Susie Wright <piscescat@home.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: LHO and JFK
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Bravo, Ellynne!!
re: Oliver Stone was really hired by Servalan to cover up how a slightly unbalanced
Federation thug by the name of Travis... etc.
And Pat... Oliver Stone is a movie director who made "JFK" based on a lawyer's (Garrison)
book about his investigation into the assassination and the subsequent cover up of critical
information. It is widely believed that Lee Harvey Oswald wasn't alone and that there were
at least 2 men on a grassy knoll along the route of JFK's limo.
The preschool kids aren't as bad as the Decimas, they're not noisy but they are lively. I
end up hanging with the class clown types until the preschool teacher comes over and shushes
them/me. Always a rebel at heart! Oh well...
Susie
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Bravo, Ellynne!!
<p>re: <i>Oliver Stone was really hired by Servalan to cover up how a slightly
unbalanced Federation thug by the name of Travis</i>... etc.
<p>And Pat... Oliver Stone is a movie director who made "JFK" based on
a lawyer's (Garrison) book about his investigation into the assassination
and the subsequent cover up of critical information. It is widely
believed that Lee Harvey Oswald wasn't alone and that there were at least
2 men on a grassy knoll along the route of JFK's limo.
<p>The preschool kids aren't as bad as the Decimas, they're not noisy but
they are lively. I end up hanging with the class clown types until
the preschool teacher comes over and shushes them/me. Always a rebel
at heart! Oh well...
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Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 15:20:49 -0800
From: Susie Wright <piscescat@home.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Pat & JFK
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Sorry, someone already answered your question... I'm just replying as I come to the messages
in the digest. Sometimes I do read the whole digest before I reply, but not this time.
Anyway...
Susie
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Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 13:54:45 -0800
From: Pat Patera <patpatera@netzero.net>
To: B7 Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] sods and soul mates
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Neil wrote:
>Since when have I discussed British labour laws? I know sod all about them.
I was speaking metaphorically about the serious subjects you present.
For example:
>Authentic male responses to dangerous situations seem to be confined to.
>'serious' action dramas, such as realistic war films (Platoon, The Thin Red
>Line, etc). Within the context of the primarily escapist, the machismo
>myth still rules.
and
>Making Avon vulnerable wouldn't so much generate an erotic response as magnify a >pre-existing one, as a result of the shift in relative empowerment.
Not that I am complaining! You always give me lots to think about.
I am just too silly and scattered to take up the thread.
> A diamond shines all the brighter for being stuck in a cowpat.
*Now* I'm complaining!
That's cowPIE not cowPAT
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re: Soul Mates off topic
Ellynne wrote:
>If there's one term the English language would be better off without,
>it's "soul mates." It's also been attacking me lately - even in B7!
>As near as I understand it, "soul mate" is some vague idea about this
>perfect person waiting out there and, once you meet them, life is like
>some perfect (and sappy) romance novel.
no no no. A soul mate is someone *exactly* like you. If you ever met
one, you'd know *instinctively* what a soul mate really is.
Granted, the tacky consumer culture image has made the term into a
sleezy, lovesickness travesty. But I know better.
I once met a soul mate: a fellow as flaky and ill-suited for this plane
of existence as myself. We would have been a disaster if we ever teamed
up for any sort of relationship or - horrors!!! living arrangement. Talk
about the blind leading the blind! But it is wonderful to meet someone
who *thinks* exactly as you do, and *sees* the world in the same way, in
the same shades of gray. A rare (fortunately) and eye opening
experience. Scary, really, to see your bad qualities on parade (along
with the good).
Were any of the characters on B7 soulmates? The closest would have been
Soolin and Anna. Except that Soolin was straightforward and Anna
underhanded. So no, they were simply both pragmatic. Jenna and Anna?
Closer: pragmatic and idealistic. We really don't know Anna well enough
to guess. Blake and his clone might have been soul mates. Just imagine
how much trouble the two of them could have gotten into as a team.
They'd be dead in a week!
Pat
P.S. Avona, loved your Way To Go's (tee hee)
--
"Never give up. Never surrender."
-- Galaxy Quest
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