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blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 58
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L] Blatant Oak Leaves
[B7L] Re: Neil vs Gen X'ers
[B7L] Re: Soul Mates
[B7L] Oak leaves
[B7L] Re: Soulmates & B7
Re: [B7L] Blatant Oak Leaves-Not
Re: [B7L] Introduction
Re: [B7L] sods and soul mates
Re: [B7L] Blatant Oak Leaves-Not
[B7L] Dorset meeting
Re: [B7L] Blatant Oak Leaves-Not
Re: [B7L] Blatant Oak Leaves-Not
Re: [B7L] Blatant Oak Leaves-Not
RE: [B7L] Blatant Oak Leaves-Not
RE: [B7L] Blatant Oak Leaves-Not
Re: [B7L] Blatant Oak Leaves-Not
[B7L] The following items...
Re: [B7L] Blatant Oak Leaves
Re: [B7L] Blatant Oak Leaves-Not
Re: [B7L] Blatant Oak Leaves - and help with TLA
Re: [B7L] Blatant Oak Leaves-Not-Oh yes it is
[B7L] Blatant Oak Leaves-Not
Re: [B7L] Re: Neil vs Gen X'ers
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 20:21:55 EST
From: Mac4781@aol.com
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Andrew wrote:
> Oh Carol ,
>
> I was just trying to be nice.
There was a <snicker> at the beginning of my comments and a smiley face at
the end. I didn't take you seriously; nor did I intend to be taken
seriously.
> And Cassabi's (sp) daughter.
Spelling is Kasabi. Her daughter's name is Veron.
Carol Mc
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Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 18:00:38 -0800
From: Susie Wright <piscescat@home.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Neil vs Gen X'ers
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Gen X hasn't yet developed the patience to wade through Neil's long, literary thesis-quality
essays on intergalactic politics.
I have to say Neil's essays are a big part of the appeal of this list! And others have posted
lengthy thoughts on the show which are also interesting. I'm often awed at the depth of
consideration these fans express. If I had that much free time.....
Also, this list is structured nicely so that it's easy to navigate. The onelist strings it all
together and there is way too much repetition in the attached texts. I didn't notice the
onelisters were young. I'm a Boomer myself.
Susie
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<i>Gen X hasn't yet developed the patience to wade through Neil's long,
literary thesis-quality essays on intergalactic politics.</i>
<p>I have to say Neil's essays are a big part of the appeal of this list!
And others have posted lengthy thoughts on the show which are also interesting.
I'm often awed at the depth of consideration these fans express.
If I had that much free time.....
<p>Also, this list is structured nicely so that it's easy to navigate.
The onelist strings it all together and there is way too much repetition
in the attached texts. I didn't notice the onelisters were young.
I'm a Boomer myself.
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Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 18:20:36 -0800
From: Susie Wright <piscescat@home.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Soul Mates
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I never thought of "soul mates" as having anything to do with romance. I see it
more of a pair of people (could be same sex, even siblings) who complement one
another, the ying to the other's yang if you will. Like a best friend only more -
someone who completely understands you, who is your touchstone. There is also an
unbreakable connection no matter how far apart you are or how infrequently you see
one another. When you're together, you're home.
Somebody attached a romantic ideal to the term "soul mate" and that's just
fantasy. Avon and Anna as soul mates? Probably not.
Susie
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Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 19:27:47 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Oak leaves
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Gan was a *wonderfully* conceived character. Bad, BAD writers for not
using him more.
Given the kinds of situations that the rebels were in, Gan's way of
looking at things was unusual and therefore all the more refreshing! I
also think he was decently intelligent if not well educated.
Gan and Avon should have been teamed up from time to time. Gan gives way
on the little things but will stanad his ground on important things--
pairing the cold brain together with the strong arms and conscience.
They'd balance out well.
Gan is an excellent people person. And yet manages it without doing a
lot of talking. Which makes him a great listener.
Have I earned my foliage? Well, if I haven't I don't care. I like saying
nice things about the group's stout heart anyway.
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Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 19:41:29 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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> no no no. A soul mate is someone *exactly* like you. If you ever met
> one, you'd know *instinctively* what a soul mate really is.
> Granted, the tacky consumer culture image has made the term into a
> sleezy, lovesickness travesty. But I know better.
Agreed. I thought the term was being grossly misused as well.
A soulmate sees the world through the same (or near as makes no
discernable difference) set of eyes. It's a little bizarre, in some
ways, as you realize how near to identical your thought patterns are. On
the other hand, it's comforting in some ways. Validating, certainly. "To
be totally known, it's like innocence." Probably a misquote, but you
know I'm refering to Jenna have her mind read by Zen.
Anna may well have been a soulmate to Avon. Smart, cynical, interested
in surviving rather than doing the moral thing. Right before he shot
her, she was pulling a gun on him-- perhaps a shade of things to come,
when Avon thought Blake was going to turn them in and shot him. Makes
for all the more dark, dismal grimness, when you think about it.
> Scary, really, to see your bad qualities on parade (along
> with the good).
Yes. My best friend is a soulmate to me-- which means she's just as
over-eager to start projects and under-determined to finish them. I
don't actually expect *any* collaboration between the pair of us to
result in a finished product.
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Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 06:52:54 -0000
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Blatant Oak Leaves-Not
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Ellynne wrote:
> 1.Gan reminds me of a big, friendly dog.
>
> I don't like dogs.
Damn right, Ellynne, cats win hands down.
Which reminds me - isn't Gan *exactly* like an enormous fluffy Persian...
Neil
"I am not a man, I am a free number."
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 22:24:35 +0000
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: b7 <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Introduction
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In message <00a201bf8486$129c9900$bfe407c3@ariana>, Ariana
<ariana@ndirect.co.uk> writes
>I enjoy writing and reading fanfiction of all kinds.
<rubs hands in glee> Oh good, someone else to nag...
A useful point at which to break the news to this list that I'm in the
throes of doing the next volume of Tales from Space City - do not be
surprised if you get wheedling emails about wanting to use something or
other as a filler.
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 07:11:12 -0000
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] sods and soul mates
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Pat P wrote:
> > A diamond shines all the brighter for being stuck in a cowpat.
>
> *Now* I'm complaining!
> That's cowPIE not cowPAT
Not on this side of the Pond, it ain't.
Neil
"I am not a man, I am a free number."
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Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 13:43:03 +1100
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Blatant Oak Leaves-Not
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On Thu, Mar 02, 2000 at 10:32:10PM -0700, Ellynne G. wrote:
> 1.Gan reminds me of a big, friendly dog.
>
> I don't like dogs.
Okay, enough already. You're making me sorry I started this!
Gan is *not* like a dog, and he is *not* stupid... he's just the odd
man out. Somebody who's actually relatively *normal* in this bunch of
paranoid cynical smart-alec pragmatic activists and criminals.
I like Cally better than Gan. But I don't think that Gan is a waste
of space. It's all a matter of priorities, you see.
Avon
Cally
Blake & Vila
would all be given the lifeboats first, by me, over the others.
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Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 10:30:27 +0000 (GMT)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
cc: Freedom City <freedom-city@blakes-7.org>
Subject: [B7L] Dorset meeting
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Anyone in the Poole/Wimborne area of Worset is welcome to turn up Saturday
afternoon (4th) at my place for a B7/Cult TV meet. We'll probably start off
with a video around 12.30 and carry on until four or fiveish. Turning up part
way through is fine.
If you want directions, give me a ring on 01202 693039
Judith
--
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pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth
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Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/
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Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 04:10:18 -0800
From: mistral@ptinet.net
To: B7 List <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Blatant Oak Leaves-Not
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Kathryn Andersen wrote:
> Okay, enough already. You're making me sorry I started this!
Please don't be. You've stimulated more positive commentary
about Gan than I've seen in the last six months. Hmm. Any
commentary about Gan, actually. Surely Judith will let you retain
your oak leaves for that alone?
> Gan is *not* like a dog, and he is *not* stupid...
He's dependable and loyal, and those are usually associated with
dogs. I certainly don't see any bad doggy qualities, like slobbery
over-eagerness. No, he's not stupid. He's intellectually slow, at
least as far as Avon's concerned (The Web), but he's sensible,
and quick to grasp the big picture, if not the details.
> he's just the odd
> man out. Somebody who's actually relatively *normal* in this bunch of
> paranoid cynical smart-alec pragmatic activists and criminals.
But that's what makes him interesting. He's the Everyman character;
the only one, really. Vila gets the fantasy-underdog-everyman bit, but
Gan is the only one who approaches normal (well, entre nous, Avon
is fairly normal for his type, but it's a rare type, so he comes across
as different.) So Gan is really useful as a contrast to the others; Gan
could have been used as a stabilizing influence. Gan is wonderful in
Shadow; just think how lovely an ongoing *three*-way tug-of-war
would have been--Blake's goals vs. Gan's ethics vs. Avon's pragmatism.
Although I have to admit that if Gan had stayed, there wouldn't have
been nearly as much wonderful Avon-Vila, I'd have liked to see more
of Avon and Gan together. They are so mismatched it's intriguing.
One of my friends has suggested that ESFJ Gan is INTP Avon's
Jungian 'shadow', and that Avon might actually be uncomfortable with
Gan because Gan embodies things that Avon is afraid of. That's not
canonically evident, but it could put an interesting spin on that duo. Avon
does insult Gan's intelligence a couple of times, but otherwise avoids
saying anything derogatory about or to him, and Gan is obviously not
afraid of or impressed by Avon. Since Avon seems to define himself
by his intellect, and what he can acquire or control, and Gan is not
interested in either, and since Gan has a much easier time getting on
with people, Gan might be the character who most easily made Avon
question his self-perception (Blake makes Avon question his perception
of others; he seems to be questioning Avon's self-perception at times,
but I think the message Avon is getting is 'maybe there are people in
the galaxy who aren't just out for themselves and still aren't fools').
The scene at the end of Breakdown comes to mind--Avon minding
the ship while everyone else clusters around Gan to welcome him
back to health, Gan's connection with the others throwing Avon's
isolation into relief, even though Avon sacrificed more to help Gan
than the others did.
> I like Cally better than Gan. But I don't think that Gan is a waste
> of space. It's all a matter of priorities, you see.
Yep. Neither of them are at the top of my lifeboat list. Not that
I'd like to have the responsibility of assigning lifeboats, mind.
Still, here are Ten Reasons to Keep Gan instead of Cally:
10. He had an ethical core without the bleeding heart.
9. There were two gung-ho rebels, but only one Mr. Average.
8. He didn't get repeatedly blindsided by his patients.
7. He was always proactive. And canny--he knew his own strengths
and weaknesses.
6. He never moped or whined. (Unlike practically everybody else.)
5. In series three, he'd have knocked Avon's and Tarrant's heads
together until they stopped feuding, got off their rear ends,
and did something.
4. In series three and four, he'd have been far more effective as
Avon's conscience than any of the others--Avon certainly
wasn't listening to Cally.
3. Mystical telepathic aliens are a bad sci-fi cliché. Average guys
trying to fit in amongst a bunch of experts can be far more
interesting. (And those Auronar proverbs? Gobbledygook.)
2. With only one female to write for, Jenna might have gotten
better parts. Better one strong female character than two
mediocre ones.
1. This one I think we agreed not to discuss ;-)
Mistral
--
"Who do you serve? And who do you trust?"
--Galen, 'Crusade'
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Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 09:39:42 EST
From: Mac4781@aol.com
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Mistral wrote (about Gan):
> No, he's not stupid. He's intellectually slow, at
> least as far as Avon's concerned (The Web),
Which part of The Web do you mean? I thought Avon's patience with Gan's
questions in the The Web indicated a degree of respect. Yes, he throws in a
disparaging remark--"It's slow. You should appreciate that problem."--but I
don't think he'd have bothered to discuss what he was doing if he didn't
think Gan could understand. And we have to remember that one of Avon's
hobbies is putting down his shipmates, all of his shipmates, so I don't take
his slurs too seriously.
There's also a moment in SLD, when they are after the cipher machine, when
Avon asks for Gan's technical assistance. Blake is standing right there, but
it's Gan that Avon chooses to be his assistant. It's another indication that
Avon respects Gan's abilities and trusts his competency.
As we've been watching episodes for SC/FC discussions, I don't see that Avon
is any more disparaging of Gan than he is of anyone else. I think he must
recognize that while Gan hasn't had the educational opportunities that Alphas
enjoy, he is a quick study.
> I'd have liked to see more
> of Avon and Gan together. They are so mismatched it's intriguing.
I enjoyed them together. I would even go so far as to say their
personalities complemented each other rather than being a mismatch. Gan
seemed to bring out the best (well, as good as it gets ;) in Avon, and Avon
seemed to encourage Gan's desire to learn.
One of the eps we recently watched was Project Avalon, and I was most
impressed when Avon gave Cally and Gan an opportunity to come up with a
better plan than running away when the Federation ships spotted them. Avon
must have realized there wasn't another option, but he respected Cally and
Gan enough that he wanted them to reach that conclusion on their own.
> Since Avon seems to define himself
> by his intellect, and what he can acquire or control, and Gan is not
> interested in either, and since Gan has a much easier time getting on
> with people, Gan might be the character who most easily made Avon
> question his self-perception
I didn't see any indication that Gan prompted Avon to question his
self-perception, but I do think Avon sensed that Gan was secure in who and
what he was and found that soothing. It would have been interesting if Avon
had taken that a step further and questioned why he wasn't secure and
comfortable with what he is.
Carol Mc
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Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 15:48:44 -0000
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: "B7 List" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Blatant Oak Leaves-Not
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All this Cally-bashing is getting my goat. Here are 10 reasons why Cally is
better than Gan.
1. Cally reads minds. Gan doesn't even have one.
2. No-one has a crisis of confidence that endangers the crew as a result of
Cally's death. In fact, no-one seems to give a monkey's that she's died at
all.
3. Cally lasted twice as long as Gan (three seasons as opposed to one and a
half).
4. Cally had a rock hard gun in 'Time Squad'. Gan can barely hold a gun.
5. Cally is a woman.
6. Gan is a man.
7. When Cally goes off her head, she doesn't pull comedy faces.
8. Cally was nice enough to loosen the restraints on Gan, and Gan repaid her
by kicking the crap out of her.
9. Cally has a ready supply of drugs.
10. You don't get festooned with foliage if you admit to liking Cally.
I'll get my coat.
Una
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Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 19:30:10 -0000
From: Louise Rutter <Louise.Rutter@btinternet.com>
To: "'B7 Lysator'" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: RE: [B7L] Blatant Oak Leaves-Not
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Neil wrote:
>Which reminds me - isn't Gan *exactly* like an enormous fluffy Persian..
Ack, no!!! Persian cats are almost unanimously snooty, foul-tempered things
who absolutely do not under any circumstances give a toss about anything
other than their own comfort. Far more like Avon than Gan....
Gan's a moggy of the kind that follows you round the house and jumps onto
your lap purring the instant you sit down.
Louise
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Date: Fri, 3 Mar 100 16:54:14 +0000
From: huh@ccm.net
To: "'B7 Lysator'" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: RE: [B7L] Blatant Oak Leaves-Not
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>
> Ack, no!!! Persian cats are almost unanimously snooty, foul-tempered things
> who absolutely do not under any circumstances give a toss about anything
> other than their own comfort. Far more like Avon than Gan....
>
>
You must have a different kind of Persian over there then. Persians are almost
uniformly quiet, sweet and stupid over here. Sort of animated fluffy mops which
drape themselves prettily over things. I have a friend who bred many champions
and his comment was that they were kind and thick. Too thick to even notice
their own comfort actually, since their facial bones are pressed into their
skulls leaving little room for brains of any kind. And Avon has given a toss
about things besides his own comfort, he just rates it rather highly. I do
myself, come to think of it. My own, I mean, not his.
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Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 18:15:06 -0500
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Blatant Oak Leaves-Not
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Gan did play cricket - he was a very solid and dependable middle-order
batsman, as Chris Blenkarn's cricket story reveals.
To be boring, re the general attack - well, I saw a rather different Gan,
the man who told the guard on the London "we only need the hand" and looked
so convincing I wouldn't have trusted that limiter.
Over the years, I've become fascinated by the parallels between Avon and
Gan - both saw the women they loved murdered by the state (or thought they
did - anyone who wants to argue that Gan's woman was really a Federation
agent who set him up is welcome to try) and took revenge on the killer.
Harriet
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Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 18:18:42 EST
From: Bizarro7@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se, freedom-city@blakes-7.org
Subject: [B7L] The following items...
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...are currently up for auction on eBay from Ashton Press
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Out-take photo of Michael Keating
B7 Liberator Bumper Stickers
The Blakes 7 Review (w/ Gareth Thomas interview)
Australian 1994 B7 Calendar w/art by Katheryn Anderson of Blake, Avon etc.
Broody Michael Keating photo still
B7 Blake and Avon cartoon print
1983 Paul Darrow flyer from the play "Don't Start Without Me"
Lovely Publicity b&w of Michale Keating
1980's Paul Darrow flyer from the play "A Sting in the Tale"
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Color 8x10 of Sally Knyvette + Steven Pacey, others onstage at Visions Con
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Good luck!
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Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 22:16:04 -0000
From: "Andrew Ellis" <Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Blatant Oak Leaves
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>Spelling is Kasabi. Her daughter's name is Veron.
>
>Carol Mc
Thanks.
Andrew
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Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 22:22:56 -0000
From: "Andrew Ellis" <Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Blatant Oak Leaves-Not
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>Avon
>Cally
>Blake & Vila
>would all be given the lifeboats first, by me, over the others.
<grin ?>
Well, you try and stop Avon getting there first.
And you try and stop Gan letting the others go first.
Blake and Vila in the same boat. Isn't that the wrong list !
<end grin ?>
Andrew
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Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 22:19:09 -0000
From: "Andrew Ellis" <Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Blatant Oak Leaves - and help with TLA
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>There was a <snicker> at the beginning of my comments and a smiley face at
>the end. I didn't take you seriously; nor did I intend to be taken
>seriously.
>
Ditto. (both posts)
Please accept my apologies for not understanding all of the nifty little
symbols. I did once post saying that I did not understand all of the little
TLA's, snips etc. Anybody know a good URL to help ?
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Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 22:47:02 -0000
From: "Andrew Ellis" <Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com>
To: "B7 List" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Blatant Oak Leaves-Not-Oh yes it is
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A bit of fun....
Una, here are ten reasons (based on yours) why Gan is better than Cally
>
>1. Cally enables other people to receive her thouhts (she can't actually
read minds), Gan just tells them straight out.
>2. People missed Gan so much that it resulted in a crisis of confidence
that endangers the crew.
>3. Cally lasted twice as long as Gan (no need to edit that one)
>4. Cally had a rock hard gun in 'Time Squad'. Gan doesn't see the need for
guns.
>5. Cally is a woman. (no need to edit that one)
>6. Gan is a man. (no need to edit that one)
>7. Cally goes off her head, often.
>8. Cally was stupid enough to loosen the restraints on Gan.
>9. Cally was a drug dealer. (OK stretching it a bit now)
>10. You don't get festooned with foliage if you admit to liking Gan and
your name is Andrew.
>
>I'll get my coat.
>
The anti Cally feelings expressed above are not the actual thoughts of the
author, but the pro Gan ones are.
Andrew
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Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 16:48:31 PST
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Blatant Oak Leaves-Not
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After Mistral wrote (about Gan):
<No, he's not stupid. He's intellectually slow, at least as far as Avon's
concerned (The Web),>
Carol queried:
<Which part of The Web do you mean? I thought Avon's patience with Gan's
questions in the The Web indicated a degree of respect.>
<grin> I think he's so thrilled with this great big glorious new toy that
he'd be showing it off to just about *anyone* who was there at that stage
(with the possible exception of someone like Jarriere). And Gan
*appreciates* how wonderful it all is, which helps (a fellow feeling and all
that).
But just a few minutes later, there's that wonderful moment where Gan is
working on some switches in the teleport, and Avon pushes him out of the
way, quite casually, without a word or look, as you would push a lump of
wood out of the way. It is sooooo unthinkingly dismissive and hurtful - and
brilliantly Avonish. There's *something* in his way, not someone.
Avon puts Gan down not in the give-and-take way he spars with Vila, but in a
much harsher, dismissive way ("virtually alone, then" from Weapon. Ouch). In
Pressure Point, during Avon's deadly mine-field sprint, Gan is waiting, arms
out, to catch him - does he get any acknowledgement, or thanks? Not likely,
Avon turns straight to thank *Blake*. When Gan apologises in Shadow for
getting them caught, Avon's reply is decidedly snarky, and his later
'natural stupidity' remark is *really* nasty (if wonderful).
But then there's giving up his bolt-hole in Breakdown, then supports going
into the danger zone (as long as it's undefined <g>) to save him... and in
Project Avalon, there's a scene where they are in the background, discussing
something to do with the pilot's controls. I'm not sure whether he's
explaining something to Gan, or they're working together on a technical
problem, but Avon is totally different, he's obviously listening to what Gan
is saying, seems to be treating him with more respect than I think we ever
see when they're in the foreground.
I think he recognises and uses Gan's technical competency and willingness to
learn (and do as he's told – something often lacking in the rest of them) as
far as it goes, accepts that the brute strength is also useful, and cares –
a very very little – in that mild team way, but has *absolutely* no interest
in him as a human being, even less than the rest of the crew (there isn't
even the tinge of hosility that appears in Avon & Jenna's relationship).
The contempt is absolutely genuine IMO. Comes down – at least partly – to
the quality of mind – not how bright they are, but how *interesting*. Gan's
not stupid, but he *is* mentally straightforward, he thinks in a clear,
uncomplicated way – something Avon never does even by accident, and
something he finds about as interesting as that block of wood he treats Gan
as. Whereas Vila – not IMO any more intelligent per se than Gan - is
mentally fluid, quick-witted, amusing and unpredictable. So while Avon does
fling insults his way, the quality is much less dismissive, mocking,
malicious but not so brutally uninterested.
<One of the eps we recently watched was Project Avalon, and I was most
impressed when Avon gave Cally and Gan an opportunity to come up with a
better plan than running away when the Federation ships spotted them.>
Oh dear, I saw *that* as a baiting snarl – they're wasting time glaring
impotently at him when he *knows* they won't/can't come up with anything
better. It's a sharp put-down, of Cally as well as Gan, when they stupidly
(I-his-O) baulk at what has to be done, and done fast (he's still snarling
later – "speculation and fast turns aren't going to make it any shorter").
But then, different Avons for different folks…
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Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 08:36:28 +1100
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Neil vs Gen X'ers
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On Thu, Mar 02, 2000 at 06:00:38PM -0800, Susie Wright wrote:
> Also, this list is structured nicely so that it's easy to navigate.
> The onelist strings it all together and there is way too much
> repetition in the attached texts. I didn't notice the onelisters were
> young. I'm a Boomer myself.
The attached texts are 100% the fault of the persons posting, and 0%
the fault of onelist itself. They are demonstrating a disease
peculiar to modern newbies who use mailing software like Lotus notes.
Thus, they demonstrate with every post, their youngness, not in age,
but in newbie blunders.
Calling the attention-span thing and the short posts thing a "gen-X"
characteristic is, IMHO, incorrect. For one thing, I believe *I'm*
technically supposed to be a gen-X person (somebody told me that once),
and I figure a lot of people on this list will be around this same
age. For another, and more pertinent point, the short-message posting
pattern - didn't we establish that it's a personality type thing?
Introverts (especially INT*s) tend to go for the long, thoughtful,
analytical postings, and extroverts go for the short, low-content,
yes-I-agree-with you postings.
So maybe the onelist list ought to be called the Extrovert list...
Kathryn Andersen
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