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blakes7-d Digest				Volume 00 : Issue 61

Today's Topics:
	 [B7L] First Impressions: "Cygnus Alpha"
	 FW: [B7L] Introduction
	 [B7L] Neil vs GenX'ers
	 Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Cygnus Alpha"
	 Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Cygnus Alpha"
	 [B7L] First Impressions: "Cygnus Alpha"
	 Re: [B7L] Introduction
	 Re: [B7L] Re: Neil vs Gen X'ers
	 Re: [B7L] Introduction
	 Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Cygnus Alpha"
	 Re: [B7L] Introduction
	 Re: [B7L] Introduction
	 [B7L] Re: Altazine & Boomers
	 [B7L] Baby Boom and Meyers-Briggs
	 Re: [B7L] Introduction
	 Re: [B7L] 'Beautiful' suffering
	 Re: [B7L] Re: Neil vs Gen X'ers
	 Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Cygnus Alpha"
	 Re: [B7L] Re: Neil vs Gen X'ers
	 Re: [B7L] Baby Boom and Meyers-Briggs
	 Re: [B7L] Baby Boom and Meyers-Briggs
	 Re: [B7L] 'Beautiful' suffering
	 Re: [B7L] 'Beautiful' suffering
	 Re: [B7L] Neil vs GenX'ers
	 Re: [B7L] 'Beautiful' suffering
	 Re: [B7L] Baby Boom and Meyers-Briggs
	 Re: [B7L] 'Beautiful' suffering
	 Re: [B7L] Baby Boom and Meyers-Briggs
	 Re: [B7L] Baby Boom and Meyers-Briggs
	 Re: [B7L] Neil vs Gen X'ers
	  [B7L] First Impressions: "Cygnus Alpha"
	 Re: [B7L] Baby Boom and Meyers-Briggs

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Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:13:13 +1100 
From: Andrew Williams <AWilliams@daikin.com.au>
To: "'blakes7@lysator.liu.se'" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] First Impressions: "Cygnus Alpha"
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Ariana wrote....

>(When the prisonners reach the haunted house... er, Vargas's castle)
>
>GAN:    What do you think it is?
>VILA:   The architectural style is early Maniac.
>ARCO:   We need food and shelter.
>VILA:   But do we need them that badly?

Ariana, you have opened my eyes to the idea that B7 is just homage to
Scooby-Doo:

"Gee, the mystery machine has broken down again.  Shall we go back to that
town we just drove through and get help?"
"No, let's go to that creepy, isolated castle on the hill.  The one with the
barren, leafless trees silhouetted against a dark and foreboding sky."
"Mmmm.  Rooby Racks!"
"Look!  The agent of evil just happened to be the only other major character
in the entire episode!  In a sheet!"
Servalan: "And I would have got a way with it, too, if it wasn't for you
pesky kids!"

>I hope Avon will soon get over that habit of tossing guns around. He throws
>away the Liberator weapon when Blake and Jenna ignore his threat, and
later,
>when they all saunter out after meeting Zen, I'm pretty sure Avon tossed
>away his Federation gun as well.

This is just a brilliant continuity set-up for "Rescue" (cough).  Either
that or PD is trying to get rid of
-another- broken prop....

Andrew.
- - - - - - 
I'd rather a bottle infront of me than a frontal lobotomy.
- - - - - -

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Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 18:45:25 +1100 
From: Andrew Williams <AWilliams@daikin.com.au>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: FW: [B7L] Introduction
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> Pat P wrote:
>But 2nd season is solid. And it's all downhill from there.

Wasn't that a line of Tarrant's, from Terminal ("From here on in, it's
downhill all the way" or some such), commenting on the upcoming season.

Oh, alright.  I like the 4th season.

Andrew.

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Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 19:00:30 +1100 
From: Andrew Williams <AWilliams@daikin.com.au>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Neil vs GenX'ers
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> Neil wrote:
> >"More than one of him and you might have a shaky flight (1,1)"
> >"I leave Israel, get a head start, and turn into a slave (6)"
> >"Did Sula use him as an empty pencil? (3)"
> 
Ah, cryptics.  I only get them in retrospect.  Anyone got the answers?

The third one is obviously Hob, since he was with Sula and has a 3 letter
name.  HB = pencil, the 'o' in the middle is the empty part.

But the other two have me stumped.  Neil's too clever - let's kill him now.

Andrew.

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Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 09:00:51 -0000
From: "David A McIntee" <Master@allisurvey.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Cygnus Alpha"
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> From: Ariana <ariana@ndirect.co.uk>
> Hehe. Actually, I'm pretty sure it appeared in one of the rare later
> episodes I happened to catch on UK Gold. It's presumably the Blake's 7
> equivalent of the rocky, sparsely vegetated landscape the Star Trek
> characters always seem to be trotting around (gee, do you think that
might
> be the back-lot at Paramount Studios? ;).

Actually that's usually out at Vasquez. Sometimes they go to Victorville
too.

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Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 22:00:38 +1100
From: "zaselpha@mailandnews.com" <zaselpha@mailandnews.com>
To: "blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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Kathryn Andersen wrote:

>>Ariana wrote:
>
>> One nice touch was Blake nearly falling over when Avon and Jenna >teleport
>> him onto the side of a heap of gravel. You never see that happen to a
>> Federation officer in That Other Federation. <g>
>
>Hmmm, are there other incidences like that later on?  Oh, I can think
>of one with Vila, but half of it was his fault.
>

In 'Orac', when Avon drags Vila down to see what's happened toe Blake. Vila is
teleported before he puts his boot on and lands with his be-socked foot in a
puddle. Avon isn't sympathetic.


Katrina.

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Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 03:24:38 PST
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] First Impressions: "Cygnus Alpha"
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Ariana wrote:
<Although serious American sci-fi series will also have their share of 
witticisms, these are generally confined to lower-rank or secondary 
characters (the resident Ferengi, for instance), or to strictly appropriate 
moments. They don't just insult their fellow crewmen for the sake of a good 
line.>

<grin> Keep your eye on the one with the nose and the rather fetching snarl. 
He doesn't *need* a reason (whoever brought little Kerr up totally forgot to 
mention the rule about "if you can't say anything nice"…) – the malice come 
as naturally as breathing. The odd times he's polite to someone are *so* 
odd, they get singled out for mention instead.

<One nice touch was Blake nearly falling over when Avon and Jenna teleport 
him onto the side of a heap of gravel. You never see that happen to a 
Federation officer in That Other Federation. <g>>

And Kathryn added:
<Hmmm, are there other incidences like that later on?>

Maybe not many deliberate, accidents-on-purpose ones, but I like to lump it 
in with the endearing bloopers like Avon whacking himself on the chin with 
his own gun in Destiny (one of my favourite Avonish moments <g>), and 
skidding in Animals, and Docholli not being able to get his jacket on in 
Gambit. These small 'accidents'  actually make it all a little more real – 
this is what real people (even real heroes) might do…



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Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 03:27:16 PST
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Introduction
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Julie wrote:
<*Who* sat there with the frame grabber at work one lunch hour, running 
through Yawn of the Gods in *slow* *motion*, just so the video deprived 
could get to see the delights of the trousers?

And noble of you it was…what I'd like to know is why the hell they wasted 
those views in an insipidity like Dawn? In Weapon (when we have a *much* 
easier time staying awake through the dialogue) he hides behind every piece 
of furniture he can…


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Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 06:56:57 -0500
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Neil vs Gen X'ers
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Mistral and Julia commented:
>> Why would they know about the connect rates in other
>>countries or alternate e-mail clients if nobody tells them?
>
>People do tell them, and they still don't get it...

I used to assume it was a problem with Americans who have free local calls,
but I'm now on a soccer list where I know the vast majority of posters are
in the UK, and they're so bad about quoting the entire correspondence,
including lengthy attachments repeating the same message, that it's almost
driven me to unsubscribe.  Maybe it's just the generation of those who are
shameless with phone bills.

I'm really grateful to the majority of people here for posting in a clear
and comprehensible manner.

Harriet

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Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 05:55:46 -0700
From: Penny Dreadful <pennydreadful@powersurfr.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Introduction
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At 03:27 AM 06/03/00 -0800, Sally Manton wrote:

>And noble of you it was…what I'd like to know is why the hell they wasted 
>those views in an insipidity like Dawn? In Weapon (when we have a *much* 
>easier time staying awake through the dialogue) he hides behind every piece 
>of furniture he can…

In "Weapon" Avon was painfully aware that his Tight Trousers could not hold
a candle to those of the newly introduced True Travis, so he was doing his
best to keep a low profile.

--Penny Dreadful Robot Head
______________________________
"No rules, no naps, no shoes!"

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Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 11:46:43 EST
From: Prmolloy@aol.com
To: AWilliams@daikin.com.au, blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Cygnus Alpha"
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In a message dated 3/5/00 11:09:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
AWilliams@daikin.com.au writes:

<< Subj:     [B7L] First Impressions: "Cygnus Alpha"
 Date:  3/5/00 11:09:10 PM Eastern Standard Time
 From:  AWilliams@daikin.com.au (Andrew Williams)
 To:    blakes7@lysator.liu.se ('blakes7@lysator.liu.se')
 
 
 Ariana wrote....
 
 >(When the prisonners reach the haunted house... er, Vargas's castle)
 >
 >GAN:    What do you think it is?
 >VILA:   The architectural style is early Maniac.
 >ARCO:   We need food and shelter.
 >VILA:   But do we need them that badly?
 
 Ariana, you have opened my eyes to the idea that B7 is just homage to
 Scooby-Doo:
 
 "Gee, the mystery machine has broken down again.  Shall we go back to that
 town we just drove through and get help?"
 "No, let's go to that creepy, isolated castle on the hill.  The one with the
 barren, leafless trees silhouetted against a dark and foreboding sky."
 "Mmmm.  Rooby Racks!"
 "Look!  The agent of evil just happened to be the only other major character
 in the entire episode!  In a sheet!"
 Servalan: "And I would have got a way with it, too, if it wasn't for you
 pesky kids!"
 
 >I hope Avon will soon get over that habit of tossing guns around. He throws
 >away the Liberator weapon when Blake and Jenna ignore his threat, and
 later,
 >when they all saunter out after meeting Zen, I'm pretty sure Avon tossed
 >away his Federation gun as well.
 
 This is just a brilliant continuity set-up for "Rescue" (cough).  Either
 that or PD is trying to get rid of
 -another- broken prop....
 

I hate to disagree with Andrew (I promise this will be the only time) but 
Darrow admitted in the BBC interview last year that he had a bad habit of 
breaking the guns, so much so that they had to build him a special gun, but 
as he was developing his character, I think he probably wanted his own 
special gun anyway <g>..... 

Trish
:-)

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Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 11:52:31 EST
From: Prmolloy@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Introduction
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In a message dated 3/6/00 6:28:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
smanton@hotmail.com writes:

<< Subj:     Re: [B7L] Introduction
 Date:  3/6/00 6:28:43 AM Eastern Standard Time
 From:  smanton@hotmail.com (Sally Manton)
 To:    blakes7@lysator.liu.se
 
 Julie wrote:
 <*Who* sat there with the frame grabber at work one lunch hour, running 
 through Yawn of the Gods in *slow* *motion*, just so the video deprived 
 could get to see the delights of the trousers?
 
 And noble of you it was…what I'd like to know is why the hell they wasted 
 those views in an insipidity like Dawn? In Weapon (when we have a *much* 
 easier time staying awake through the dialogue) he hides behind every piece 
 of furniture he can…
 
Having rewatched "Dawn" last night (after being inspired by the lyst) I 
concur.  Perhaps someone had the forethought that the script alone (and the 
"special" effects... giggle ... I love the golf cart with flashing lights) 
would put viewers to sleep faster than soma.  

Trish

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Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 11:56:33 EST
From: Prmolloy@aol.com
To: pennydreadful@powersurfr.com, blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Introduction
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In a message dated 3/6/00 7:55:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
pennydreadful@powersurfr.com writes:

<< Subj:     Re: [B7L] Introduction
 Date:  3/6/00 7:55:07 AM Eastern Standard Time
 From:  pennydreadful@powersurfr.com (Penny Dreadful)
 To:    blakes7@lysator.liu.se
 
 At 03:27 AM 06/03/00 -0800, Sally Manton wrote:
 
 >And noble of you it was…what I'd like to know is why the hell they wasted 
 >those views in an insipidity like Dawn? In Weapon (when we have a *much* 
 >easier time staying awake through the dialogue) he hides behind every piece 
 >of furniture he can…
 
 In "Weapon" Avon was painfully aware that his Tight Trousers could not hold
 a candle to those of the newly introduced True Travis, so he was doing his
 best to keep a low profile.
 
Oh Penny, 
don't make me go there .... you really don't want me to descend to that level 
... okay, here goes.

Was that a candle or a tea light that you meant ?

Trish the innocent

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Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 09:19:20 -0800
From: Susie Wright <piscescat@home.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Altazine & Boomers
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Don't know Altazine, but sounds like I'd have enjoyed it (or would if
it's still around...).  I fall into the introvert category but rarely
have the time to put down a long post.  I'm lucky to string a few
sentences before my munchkin comes in and requires assistance with
something.  But I really do enjoy reading everyone's thoughts and
processes.

Also, I always heard Boomers were ~1944-1964.  I'm born in '64 and
definitely not Gen X.  But I wasn't a yuppie either.  Back in the 80's I
was a "starving artist" working regional theatre on Long Island.

Hey, right on cue, here's my girl asking for some cheese.  Gotta go...

Susie

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Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 12:35:03 EST
From: Prmolloy@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Baby Boom and Meyers-Briggs
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Susie wrote:
 
>I fall into the introvert category but rarely have the time to put down a 
long post.  I'm >lucky to string a few sentences before my munchkin comes in 
and requires >assistance with something.  But I really do enjoy reading 
everyone's thoughts and
>processes.
 
>Also, I always heard Boomers were ~1944-1964.  I'm born in '64 and 
definitely not >Gen X.  But I wasn't a yuppie either.  Back in the 80's I was 
a "starving artist" >working regional theatre on Long Island.
 
 
As a recent addition to this list (I crept on quietly without much 
introduction) I'm fascinated by the discussions and curious about the MBTI 
analysis.  Is the group really made up of INTJs and how do you know that?

I'm a borderline INTJ/INTP and am not at all surprised that I therefore find 
you all so intelligent and witty.  Born at the end of 1963 (the very end, 
12/29, just made the tax deduction that year) I've never considered myself 
part of the Baby Boom.  I've always understood that there is a gap generation 
(no, not the ubiquitous outfitter) between the Boomers and Gen X.  Call it 
what you will, I believe that a significant percentage of the membership of 
this lyst falls into that gap generation, and rather than be defined by 
outside agencies, we've chosen to define ourselves.  In this case the 
definitions seem to be Meyers-Briggs based, and of course, B7 character based.

Further grist for the lyst: do you think Avon would have been an Ayn Rand fan?

Trish
INTP/J and firmly in the Avon camp even without those lovely leather trousers

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Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 07:56:43 +0000
From: Julia Jones <julia.jones@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Introduction
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In message <63.28e0e58.25f43982@aol.com>, Prmolloy@aol.com writes
>Hmmn, I suppose I'll have to rewatch that episode. Luckily the new VCR has an 
>excellent slow motion view ....

If you're going for using the slow motion in aid of lechery, I can also
recommend the scene in Warlord where Avon and Soolin are running around
Betchw^W Betafarl being shot at. I discovered this quite by accident
when examining my BBC tape to try and work out exactly what the quality
control problem was. Slow motion to identify the nature of the
interference on the tape, and suddenly got distracted...

The other nice one for fans of the red leather is the scene in Pressure
Point where Avon hurls himself over the minefield and Gan catches him.

Yes, I have a filthy mind. It doesn't help that I'm in the throes of
zine editing:-)
-- 
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
        The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.

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Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 18:35:29 -0000
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] 'Beautiful' suffering
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Mistral wrote:
> > What I want to know is why you think the negative assessment of Avon
happens
> > to be mine.
>
> Well, it certainly couldn't have anything to do with the rather
> wonderful Kerr Avon Tribute page.

I'm glad you think so.  I'd hate to think anyone reading it might suspect I
had a downer on *Avon himself*.
>
> Right, then, we'll have day old mackerel at the Tower of London.
> Unfortunately, I haven't enough air miles to attend. Why don't
> you e-mail me the Polaroids?

You utter bounder! Are you not aware that I am a strict vegetarian?  Do you
have no sense of pity for innocent fish newly hatched with but 24 hours of
life to their name?  There's nothing else for it, I'm going to have to go
for you with a bunch of daffodils.  So take that, you fiend!  And that!  And
...

Neil

"I am not a man, I am a free number."

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Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 18:36:19 +0000 (GMT)
From: Iain Coleman <ijc@bsfiles.nerc-bas.ac.uk>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Neil vs Gen X'ers
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On Sat, 4 Mar 2000, Una McCormack wrote:

> 
> I can even tell you when that generation starts. It's people born from 1974
> onwards. People who bought Nirvana and Placebo albums, wore things with
> tassles on, and used the word 'lush' as a means of expressing of enthusiasm.
> 

Abso-fecking-lutely. This has been driven home to me by the fact that I am
on one set of that divide (born in 73), and Rachel is on the other.

The distinction here is between "people who took grunge seriously" and
"people who remember punk". (With a separate clause for those ageing punks
who liked Nirvana until they "went commercial" with Nevermind.) I was
still an undergraduate when all the freshers started buying Kurt posters
by the truckload: it's weird being so close to such a generational chasm.

Or am I just a grumpy old cunt?

> 
> > I diagnose 'Introvism': "Those bloody extroverts coming round here,
> > rebuffing our arguments and kissing our women"
> 
> Damn right.

Overexpressive, oversexed and over here.

Iain

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Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 18:43:44 -0000
From: "Alison Page" <alison@alisonpage.demon.co.uk>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Cygnus Alpha"
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> Ariana, you have opened my eyes to the idea that B7 is just homage to
> Scooby-Doo:
>Trish
>:-)
>

Here's my effort:

Scooby = Vila ('cos I can see / The way you shake and shiver')
Velma = Avon (can it be a coincidence that Velma backwards is... er...
Amlev.. plus she's the cleverest)
The blonde one, dammit what is her name = Jenna
Freddie = Gan (big and stupid)
Scrappy = Tarrant ('let me at 'em' - plus many people feel the series went
downhill after he joined :-)
Shaggy =  Probably also Vila ('Yoiks, let's get out of here')

Alison

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Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 19:33:55 -0000
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Neil vs Gen X'ers
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Iain wrote:

> On Sat, 4 Mar 2000, Una McCormack wrote:
>
> >
> > I can even tell you when that generation starts. It's people born from
1974
> > onwards. People who bought Nirvana and Placebo albums, wore things with
> > tassles on, and used the word 'lush' as a means of expressing of
enthusiasm.
> >
>
> Abso-fecking-lutely. This has been driven home to me by the fact that I am
> on one set of that divide (born in 73), and Rachel is on the other.
>
> The distinction here is between "people who took grunge seriously" and
> "people who remember punk". (With a separate clause for those ageing punks
> who liked Nirvana until they "went commercial" with Nevermind.) I was
> still an undergraduate when all the freshers started buying Kurt posters
> by the truckload:

Yes! Yes, yes, yes! That's exactly it!


> it's weird being so close to such a generational chasm.

Chasm's the word, mate.



> Or am I just a grumpy old cunt?

I don't see why the two are mutually exclusive.


Una

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Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 19:45:14 -0000
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Baby Boom and Meyers-Briggs
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Trish wondered:

> As a recent addition to this list (I crept on quietly without much
> introduction) I'm fascinated by the discussions and curious about the MBTI
> analysis.  Is the group really made up of INTJs and how do you know that?

Some of us fly the flag for F-dom and remain INFJ. But we are few and far
between, lost in a sea of rationality...


Una

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Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 14:56:15 EST
From: Tigerm1019@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Baby Boom and Meyers-Briggs
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In a message dated 03/06/2000 1:53:08 PM Central Standard Time, 
una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk writes:

> Trish wondered:
>  
>  > As a recent addition to this list (I crept on quietly without much
>  > introduction) I'm fascinated by the discussions and curious about the 
MBTI
>  > analysis.  Is the group really made up of INTJs and how do you know that?
>  
>  Some of us fly the flag for F-dom and remain INFJ. But we are few and far
>  between, lost in a sea of rationality...

True.  And then there are those of us who not only fly the flag for F-dom but 
P-dom as well,  making us INFPs even odder creatures on this list..... ;-)

Tiger M

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Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 19:59:22 -0000
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] 'Beautiful' suffering
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Joanne asked:

> >From: mistral@ptinet.net
> >Right, then, we'll have day old mackerel at the Tower of London.
>
> <grin> A fish-slapping dance. Una can have the really big fish and knock
> Neil over into the nearest body of water. That'd be worth a Polaroid or
two.

Can't I just use tins of tuna and a cannon?


Una

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Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:03:22 EST
From: Tigerm1019@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] 'Beautiful' suffering
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In a message dated 03/06/2000 2:00:04 PM Central Standard Time, 
una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk writes:
In anwer to Joanne:
> > <grin> A fish-slapping dance. Una can have the really big fish and knock
>  > Neil over into the nearest body of water. That'd be worth a Polaroid or
>  two.
>  
>  Can't I just use tins of tuna and a cannon?

No, but dead mackeral and a cannon are most effective. 

Tiger M

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Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 19:27:00 -0000
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Neil vs GenX'ers
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Andrew wrote:

> Neil's too clever - let's kill him now.

You've got my vote, Andrew.


Una

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Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 20:47:28 -0000
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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Tiger wrote:

> In a message dated 03/06/2000 2:00:04 PM Central Standard Time,
> una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk writes:
> In anwer to Joanne:
> > > <grin> A fish-slapping dance. Una can have the really big fish and
knock
> >  > Neil over into the nearest body of water. That'd be worth a Polaroid
or
> >  two.
> >
> >  Can't I just use tins of tuna and a cannon?
>
> No, but dead mackeral and a cannon are most effective.

I don't think they'd lead to bloodshed, tho'. At least, only on the part of
the mackerel, which isn't the desired effect.


Una

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Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 09:25:21 EST
From: "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Baby Boom and Meyers-Briggs
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>From: Tigerm1019@aol.com
>True.  And then there are those of us who not only fly the flag for F-dom 
>but
>P-dom as well,  making us INFPs even odder creatures on this list..... ;-)

Odder?!?!? Hmmm...

Regards
Joanne


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Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 09:27:14 EST
From: "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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>From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
>Can't I just use tins of tuna and a cannon?

That depends on the amount of suffering, beautiful or otherwise, you 
consider desirable...

Regards
Joanne



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Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 18:10:20 -0600
From: "huh" <huh@ccm.net>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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even odder creatures on this list..... ;-)
>
> Odder?!?!? Hmmm...



I knew with all this talk about fish it wouldn't be long before the water
mammals showed up...

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Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 07:34:55 +1100
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Baby Boom and Meyers-Briggs
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On Mon, Mar 06, 2000 at 12:35:03PM -0500, Prmolloy@aol.com wrote:
> As a recent addition to this list (I crept on quietly without much 
> introduction) I'm fascinated by the discussions and curious about the MBTI 
> analysis.  Is the group really made up of INTJs and how do you know that?

We don't actually know.  What we do actually know is that the last
time Meyers-Brigs was majorly discussed, of the self-selected
sub-group of Lyst members who took the test and told us their
classification, a large proportion appeared to be INTJ or INTP.
There were a few INFs too.  Lovely Tramila was a notable exception as
our token bouncy extrovert, and I believe it was she that made the
comparison about length of postings and extrovertness, comparing the
Lyst with one of the other lists she was on.

It's all anecdotal evidence, mes amies.  I suspect that only about 10%
of the Lyst actually revealed/knew their classification anyway.
 
> Further grist for the lyst: do you think Avon would have been an Ayn Rand fan?

I'm either showing my age, my continent, or my social group here, but
who's Ayn Rand?

Kathryn Andersen
(INTJ-enfj)
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Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 21:12:13 -0600
From: Lisa Williams <lcw@dallas.net>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Neil vs Gen X'ers
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Harriet Monkhouse wrote:

>Maybe it's just the generation of those who are shameless with phone bills.

Phone bills notwithstanding, it's the apparent total lack of concern with 
readability that throws me. You'd think it would dawn on them that having 
to scroll through screens full of quoted text to get to the one- or 
two-line reply down at the bottom does *not* make for enjoyable reading.

Or, as one of the leading lights of alt.folklore.urban once put it, "I 
don't read anything that doesn't have new material in the first screen, 
because experience has taught me that only clueless wankers don't bother to 
edit their followups."

         - Lisa
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Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 14:43:00 +1100 
From: Andrew Williams <AWilliams@daikin.com.au>
To: "'blakes7@lysator.liu.se'" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Cc: "'Prmolloy@aol.com'" <Prmolloy@aol.com>
Subject:  [B7L] First Impressions: "Cygnus Alpha"
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Trish wrote:

>>Andrew wrote:
>>Either that or PD is trying to get rid of -another- broken prop....
> 
>I hate to disagree with Andrew (I promise this will be the only time) but 
>Darrow admitted in the BBC interview last year that he had a bad habit of 
>breaking the guns, so much so that they had to build him a special gun

Actually you are agreeing with me - that's what I meant by "another broken
prop".  And you forgot the end of the story - the special gun got stolen!

Andrew.

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Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 23:25:21 EST
From: Prmolloy@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Baby Boom and Meyers-Briggs
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I wrote in an earlier email
  
 > Further grist for the lyst: do you think Avon would have been an Ayn Rand 
fan?
 
Kathryn responded
I'm either showing my age, my continent, or my social group here, but who's 
Ayn Rand?  
 

Ayn Rand is difficult to sum up in an email.  She was a writer and 
philosopher.  Her two most well-known books are the novels "Atlas Shrugged" 
and "The Fountainhead" both of which espoused her philosophy.  Looking for a 
quick summary of her philosophy, I pulled this from the Ayn Rand Institute's 
site:  "My philosophy, in essence, is the concept of man as the heroic being, 
with his own happiness as the moral purpose of his life, with productive 
achievement as his noble activity, and reason as his only absolute."

While Avon would never be a Rand hero, I believe he would embrace her 
metaphysics, epistemology, and ethics but not her politics.

I'm not sure about Kathryn's age, but the Rand novels were published in the 
1940's and 1950's, WELL before my time <g>

Trish

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