From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V00 #69 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: <blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se> archive/volume00/69 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 69 Today's Topics: Re: [B7L] Darkheart website Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Time Squad" Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Time Squad" Re: [B7L] Episode Reviews [B7L] Re: First Impressions: "Time Squad" Re: [B7L] Episode Reviews Re: [B7L] Episode Reviews Re: [B7L] Episode Reviews Re: [B7L] Re: First Impressions: "Time Squad" [B7L] The Gender of Orac Re: [B7L] complexity of character [B7L] Avon on the London ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 21:50:53 -0000 From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk> To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: Re: [B7L] Darkheart website Message-ID: <16ec01bf8d7d$24c916d0$0d01a8c0@hedge> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Neil: > > > And Una McCormack - her shortness of stature, her regular visits to New > > > Zealand, her fondness for piranhas. Are these mere coincidence, or has she > > > *sold her mortal soul to the Forces of Darkness?* > > > > <puzzled> Was this ever in doubt? I've even started liking 'Star Trek'. > > So, you admit it - you *are* a servant of the Shuffling Ones! <hand briefly over eyes> No, Neil, the shuffling ones are servants of *mine*. > Oh my ghod, there's something at the door... That will be the crack squad of killer puffins. Una ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 06:29:35 -0000 From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk> To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Time Squad" Message-ID: <177901bf8d84$65476340$0d01a8c0@hedge> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Andrew wrote: > From: Una McCormack > > > >Ariana wrote: > > >> Cally's appearance was suitably dramatic, too. I must say I liked Blake's > >> "What the--" exclamation as she kicked him down the gravel pit. A very human > >> reaction. I did think Blake outwitted Cally a bit too easily when he got her > >> gun away from her. > > > >Cally's really disconcerting in this first scene; her not talking and moving > >very suddenly are really unnerving. But tricking her with the old 'look in a > >different direction' trick is slightly irritating. > > > Why ? After all, Cally can't read minds, she can just transmit her thoughts > (and be taken over by aliens). No, but you'd hope that she'd be less crap at being a terrorist. Una ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 06:34:52 -0000 From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk> To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Time Squad" Message-ID: <177b01bf8d84$66033930$0d01a8c0@hedge> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alison: > Ariana, Una > > >> Nothing offensive to non-shippers I hope. (I'm assuming everyone knows the > >> term "shipper", even though I believe it's an X-Files term) > > > >Actually, no, altho' I've come across it twice in the past week now. Someone > >want to explain? > > > > > 'Explain'? You know I can't resist. We aim to please. > Ship as in Relation-ship as in 'yes they do do it' > > Shippers are people who want to see the tension and ambiguity of an > unconsummated on-screen m/f (*)relationship collapse into romance. AFAIK the > word was first used for Mulder/Scully, though the idea has surely been > around for ages. Gotcha. Thanks. Una ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 06:32:25 -0000 From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk> To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: Re: [B7L] Episode Reviews Message-ID: <177a01bf8d84$65b3e0b0$0d01a8c0@hedge> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Trish wrote: > Andrew wrote > < Do people think of Orac as male or female (or gender free). Ditto for Zen > and Slave ? > > Hmmmnnn, IMHO Orac must be male and here's why > > 1. Orac never wants to talk, he's too busy doing his own things. > 2. He gets irritable if someone questions his infallibility > 3. He often sits around, seemingly doing nothing, as if he's part of the > furniture. > 4. In Deborah Tannen terms, Orac never wants to share information for > bonding, he just wants to solve the problem and move on. (weak, I know, I'm > sorry it's the end of the day on the East Coast of the US) Also, Orac never tidies up. Una ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 19:14:54 +1100 From: Andrew Williams <AWilliams@daikin.com.au> To: "'blakes7@lysator.liu.se'" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: [B7L] Re: First Impressions: "Time Squad" Message-ID: <4103E830BB67D211877400A0247B635E15EDBC@daikin_aust.daikin.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain Nina wrote: >FWIW, I don't think his outfit in Time Squad is that bad - it's not >particularly flattering, just sort of ordinary. For *really* awful, wait for >the outfit in Deathwatch. I'm always embarrassed when Avon wears his silver top (from 'Horizon') in one of the third season episodes. You can see the gap at the top where it does up - something we never saw in season two - making it painfully obvious that Avon has his shirt on backwards.... Andrew. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 100 11:58:46 +0100 (CET) From: "Jeroen J. Kwast" <jeroenkw@gns.getronics.nl> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Episode Reviews Message-Id: <200003141058.LAA15662@pampus.gns.getronics.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Trish wrote: > > > Andrew wrote > > < Do people think of Orac as male or female (or gender free). Ditto for > Zen > > and Slave ? > > > > Hmmmnnn, IMHO Orac must be male and here's why > > > > 1. Orac never wants to talk, he's too busy doing his own things. > > 2. He gets irritable if someone questions his infallibility > > 3. He often sits around, seemingly doing nothing, as if he's part of the > > furniture. > > 4. In Deborah Tannen terms, Orac never wants to share information for > > bonding, he just wants to solve the problem and move on. (weak, I know, > I'm > > sorry it's the end of the day on the East Coast of the US) > > Also, Orac never tidies up. > > > Una > > What's this???? "Bash the man day" ??? hmmmm, the need to defend men arises: ORAC must be female and here's why :) 1. When Orac talks -> she's babbling away, talks too much, can NOT get a sentence in between! 2. She gets irritable when someone questions her exterior looks 3. She often sits around, poking her nose into everyone's bussiness but when you look ... she sits there playing innocent. 4. When she solves a problem you get a extensive lecture about how she did it and why we can't do it that way. How's that? Jeroen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 07:35:45 -0500 From: Meredith Dixon <dixonm@pobox.com> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Episode Reviews Message-ID: <duascs08fic51mgfgar80dqen49tivrk16@4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I suppose I may perpetuate the apparent confusion between me and Neil by responding to a post clearly directed to him (:)) but since I also posted somewhat critically about Michael Bailey's proposed website, I'd like to answer. I have two entirely separate responses to make to what Andrew Ellis has said; I'll make them in two separate posts because they're so different. First, re Michael's site: It looks to me as though you're saying two things at the outset -- one, that creating a website is a learning experience and a pleasure, and that it does not matter whether it breaks new ground or not as long as you do it and you enjoy it. And, two, that each person is bound to see things from his or her own perspective, which makes each new site valuable. I'm not Neil, but when I agreed with him that Michael should "avoid needless duplication", I was looking at the matter from a "why should others be interested in this site" perspective. I was doing so because Michael seemed to be interested in attracting people to his website, and, in particular, in getting others to contribute time and effort to his website. I'll agree that there is a great deal to be said for creating a site simply for fun, and in order to learn how to create a site. But that's one person's work, not a group's work. -- Meredith Dixon <dixonm@pobox.com> Check out *Raven Days*, for victims and survivors of bullying. And for those who want to help. http://www.pobox.com/~dixonm/raven.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 07:58:15 -0500 From: Meredith Dixon <dixonm@pobox.com> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Episode Reviews Message-ID: <4hcscsgcjs8qkshhscef42rh31m6f1q05g@4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And here's part two of my response to Andrew Ellis. Once again, I am not Neil. I don't even look like Neil. I just happen to be answering a post directed to him. Okay? Andrew Ellis wrote (forgive the long quote, but I don't see how to condense it): >There is one significant difference however with web based publishing. >That's the use of other peoples work. In a book, if I need to include a >particular picture, or lift a complete paragraph from another work, very >often it is easiest on the reader if I just do so (with appropriate citation >and permission from the author). Or I could include a reference, so that the >reader is directed to the earlier work. Now, on the WEB, I don't need to do >that. If I want to include a picture from another site, I can drop a >hyperlink into my page, either to enable the reader to jump to the >appropriate site, or to display the picture directly in the page. Dropping a hyperlink in which would enable the reader to jump to an appropriate site would be acceptable if done properly (see below). But displaying the picture directly most assuredly would not be. A site which did that would be using the other site's resources in order to display material on its own page. This is known as "hijacking content," or, more accurately,"hijacking bandwidth," and even proper credit given on your own site would not make up for the potential expenses incurred by the other Webmaster. You can do it *with prior, explicit permission from the owner of the other site*. Doing it under any other circumstances is net.piracy. >So my suggestion is, if somebody is going to obtain input from other people >to complete a site, just pop a hyperlink in to the other site....The author is thus >free to develop a "complete" site that has the appearance of being self contained >and having the time to concentrate on the contributions (in terms of either presentational style or >content) the author wishes to make....Hyperlinks are not just for >navigating through your own site, and for use on the "links" page. Links should be clearly marked as such. If someone were to try to develop a "'complete'" site which had the appearance of being self-contained" by linking to my site, I'd be pretty damned upset if they made links to my site look like part of their site, even if they gave me credit on the linking page as a "contributor to their site". I'm not alone in this -- look at the number of sites which object to being presented in someone else's frames. And that's a more obvious linkage than you seem to be talking about. It doesn't cost the Webmaster money, as bandwidth-hijacking may, unless the original site accepts ads, but it's incredibly rude, and it amounts to stealing content. On the Web, presentation is *part* of the content, and the medium is the message. >And of course, if you contact the author of the original source, you can be informed if the >link is going to move ! Aside, of course, from the fact that it would be common courtesy to contact the author of the original source to notify them of the link, even if all you were doing was creating a simple and well-marked link. And if you were doing more than that, it would be essential to contact them *first* and ask for permission. I mention this because of that "if". -- Meredith Dixon <dixonm@pobox.com> Check out *Raven Days*, for victims and survivors of bullying. And for those who want to help. http://www.pobox.com/~dixonm/raven.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 23:24:57 EST From: Pherber@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: First Impressions: "Time Squad" Message-ID: <3f.2173e22.26006a99@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/14/00 1:09:52 AM Mountain Standard Time, AWilliams@daikin.com.au writes: << I'm always embarrassed when Avon wears his silver top (from 'Horizon') in one of the third season episodes. You can see the gap at the top where it does up - something we never saw in season two - making it painfully obvious that Avon has his shirt on backwards.... >> Hmm - I've never noticed that. Oh boy, another excuse to go rewatch the Snarly One...<veg> Nina ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 22:44:53 -0700 From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] The Gender of Orac Message-ID: <20000314.231133.-405299.0.rilliara@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Personally, I always thought Orac was a guy because of the voice, ditto Zen and Slave. However - Zen asked for directions - must be female. Avon was the only one Orac respected and also once admitted to being in love with him (while under the influence of evil sand that was - ahem - evidently trying to get everything female interested in Avon). Draw your own conclusions. Slave - All I know is, he didn't get any of this nonstop groveling from _my_ kind of chromosome configuration. You YXers can claim him if you want. Hmm, I keep hearing that old, Mary Poppins song. How did it go? "Though we adore men individually / We agree that as a group they're rather - " or whatever it was. Mary Poppins and B7, now there's a scary thought. How would Avon react to a woman whose traveling bag broke the laws of physics and who knew she was practically perfect in every way? I wonder what that tape measure would have said about him? Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 23:03:14 -0700 From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] complexity of character Message-ID: <20000314.231133.-405299.2.rilliara@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The biggest weakness would be to be a > writer, > think "thats a good idea", and then dismiss it because of where the > idea > originated. > > Ellynne. Just to avoid possible future confusion. I intended this as > a > compliment. > > Andrew > Thank you, I appreciate it. And don't worry, despite my occassional lapses into irrational irritation, I usually know a comliment when I read one and don't snap at people for giving me one. I think. Probably. I hope. Maybe .... Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 23:45:09 -0700 From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Avon on the London Message-ID: <20000314.234510.-405299.5.rilliara@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Avon had an owners attitude to the Liberator that seems puzzling sometimes since Blake and Jenna had at least the same salvage rights he did. But think about those other ships that the Liberator had a fight with. This is just wild, stray thoughts, but what if Avon had a bigger hand in the escape than he let on? Stuck on earth and deeply depressed after Anna's death, Avon may have chosen a very dangerous way to get off planet, the one route no one will double check - as a prisoner on the London (sure, there's danger of being killed before he even reaches Cygnus, but he may not have cared that much). He arranges to be on the same ship as Blake and a few other gifted people (breaking into the computers and tinkering with the lists). He is also up to speed on the rebels intended rescue of Blake (perhaps even having arranged parts of it, hence the note). He delays Blake's mutiny till the timing is right, only to have everything go wrong. The other ships were the rebels come to rescue Blake, only they managed to tick of Zen or the Ultra on their way in (perhaps having disobeyed some instructions Avon gave them [or so he'd later convince himself]). This is why he felt the ship was his. _He'd_ arranged to save Blake's skin and the Liberator was partly there because of him. He hadn't even been legitimately caught (running into someone like Vila who actually knew something of his past must have been a major pain, especially if the ship records only had Avon down for petty theft instead of attemting to overthrow the government and steal billions), etc. Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V00 Issue #69 *************************************