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blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 71
Today's Topics:
[B7L] Episode Reviews
Re: [B7L] The nature of web sites (was episode reviews)
Re: [B7L] Episode Reviews
Re: [B7L] Re: First Impressions: "Time Squad"
Re: [B7L] The nature of web sites (was episode reviews)
Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Time Squad"
Re: [B7L] Lost in Cyberspace
[B7L] Greetings
Re: [B7L] The nature of web sites (was episode reviews)
Re: [B7L] Blake and charisma
Re: [B7L] Re: First Impressions: "Time Squad"
Re: [B7L] Avon on the London
Re: [B7L] Greetings
Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Time Squad"
Re: [B7L] Greetings
Re: [B7L] Greetings
Re: [B7L] Masterblake Theater
Re: [B7L] Crossword clues
Re: [B7L] The Gender of Orac
Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Time Squad"
Re: [B7L] No particular reason
Re: [B7L] Avon on the London
Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Time Squad"
[B7L] Companions on the Liberator (was First Impressions: "Time Squad")
Re: [B7L] Greetings
Re: [B7L] Greetings
Re: [B7L] Greetings
Re: [B7L] Re: Episode Reviews
Re: [B7L] Greetings
[B7L] Companions on the Liberator (was First Impressions: "Time
Squad")
Re: [B7L] Masterblake Theater
[B7L] Re: complexity of character
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:44:37 -0800
From: Pat Patera <patpatera@netzero.net>
To: B7 Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Episode Reviews
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Penny wrote:
>episode reviews for his site, that kind of "He Said/She Said/(It Said)"
>kind of setup would be an interesting take on the concept. For real, though
>-- and by that I mean with several people who *aren't* just different
>facets of my personality.
And I thought *Neil* was scary!
lisabeth wrote: re a Dreadful post:
>You know, I am beginning to suspect a conspiracy here and the only thing
>with webs around here are Canadian geese.
You must have missed Neil's URL post, too... webs indeed! *shudder*
PatP
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 15:26:06 +0000 (GMT)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] The nature of web sites (was episode reviews)
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On Tue 14 Mar, Andrew Ellis wrote:
>
> I'm unlike Niel in that I have not been on line for 10 years.
I laughed out loud at this bit!
Neil, have you been on line a year yet? I don't think it's even that long.
> I'm learning the rules as we go along. partly because thats the best way, and
> partly because people don't always help. For example I once asked if somebody
> could explain what all the TLA's mean. First reply - not on this list go away
> (it might not have been Lysator - people here are usually only that rude when
> favourite characters are slighted !). Next time I try, I ask if a URL exists
> where I could go and see. This time silence (from this list). OK no problem,
> but be patient whilst I learn.
speaking as a psychology student - the larger a group is percieved to be, the
less likely any individual is to offer help. Basically, they all assume that
someone else will do it. The bigger the group, the more people there are who
may do it.
There's also 'compassion fatigue'. I used to post unsub instructions every time
someone tried to do it the wrong way. Eventually, I got tired of doing it over
and over again. I just leave the instructions on the web site and hope that
people will have the sense to look for leaving instructions in the same place
they found joining instructions.
Judith
--
http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs,
pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth
Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.nas.com/~lknight )
Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 19:06:36 -0000
From: "Deborah Day" <d.day@ukgateway.net>
To: "blakes7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Episode Reviews
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Do people think of Orac as male or female (or gender free). Ditto for
Zen
and Slave ?
>
>Gender free ! Still i think they must be .If you start thinking of Orac and
Zen shagging each other then it's very hard to take them seriously.
I agree - it's like many foreign languages, where tables and chairs have
sex, rather than just sitting quitely on the floor like they do in English.
Zen and Orac are usually treated as having a personality, because that makes
it easier for the crew to use them, but in the end they are just boxes.
Although it is just possible that somewhere in an undiscovered room on the
Liberator, there was a being linked up to Zen ...
Debbie.
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:34:10 +0000
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: First Impressions: "Time Squad"
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In message <Marcel-1.46-0314204413-ab5Rr9i@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>, Judith
Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com> writes
>I'm trying to recall if they also altered the sleeves at the same time,(but I
>may be getting mixed up with one of Blake's costumes - or maybe both costumes
>were altered). I've a feeling Avon's silver sleeves are less baggy in season 3.
They were. I did get an explanation a couple of years ago as to exactly
what was done to the sleeves and what was done with the trimmed
material, but memory has faded.
I still want to see that costume/prop reference book, but I can't see it
happening unless a lot of other people say the same thing...
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:56:52 +0000
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] The nature of web sites (was episode reviews)
Message-ID: <8WWceJA0z9z4Ew2z@jajones.demon.co.uk>
In message <00a301bf8e0c$863f2460$cc8601d5@leanet.futures.bt.co.uk>,
Andrew Ellis <Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com> writes
>I'm unlike Niel in that I have not been on line for 10 years. I'm learning
>the rules as we go along. partly because thats the best way, and partly
>because people don't always help. For example I once asked if somebody could
>explain what all the TLA's mean. First reply - not on this list go away (it
>might not have been Lysator - people here are usually only that rude when
>favourite characters are slighted !). Next time I try, I ask if a URL exists
>where I could go and see. This time silence (from this list). OK no problem,
>but be patient whilst I learn.
>
Neil hasn't been online for ten years either...
I can't quote URLs, because I'm much more Usenet orientated. However, if
you poke around at http://www.lspace.org, you should find tonnes of
reading material for newbies, some of which will even be relevant to
your quest for TLAs etc. I'd suggest that we put a few bits and bobs on
the Lyst's website, but it seems easier just to point people at
lspace:-)
Michael had a poor reception because he not only has appalling
netiquette (posting a sound file in direct contravention of the rules of
this list and telling us that it was only a small one so it didn't
matter), he gave the impression of thinking he was going to take over
the running of online B7 fandom.
Posting a sound file to a mailing list, and calling it a small file when
it doubled the size of the day's download for the list, is the sort of
beginner's mistake that usually gets one reprimanded in private. A
public apology for such behaviour makes it clear that it was simply a
beginner's mistake, and even a Grumpy Old Fart like me will immediately
forget about it. Responding by running off to start a rival mailing
list, and trying to entice members of the original list to it while
pretending one had simply stumbled across it, is behaviour that is
likely to be seen in a less charitable light. It is also likely to
colour the opinion of those who find that his site gives the impression
that it is *the* B7 site. Hence the somewhat abrupt reaction.
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 20:07:10 +0000
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: B7 Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Time Squad"
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In message <38CFC79F.CABD69C0@netzero.net>, Pat Patera
<patpatera@netzero.net> writes
>What's the hurry? Imagine: While out hunting Hommicks - er, Sarrans, you
>stumble upon beautiful Avon, unconscious, washed up by the tide on a
>deserted tropical beach. His long dark lashes lie wetly against his
>cheeks, he is gift wrapped in wet leather, very tightly wrapped as only
>wet leather will do. You take him to a quiet, secluded cave. You have
>all afternoon to peel, and pull, carefully unwrapping your surprise
>package...
I'd find that scenario much more enticing if I hadn't just been editing
a piss-take where it turns out that Avon wears Mickey Mouse underpants
under the leather.
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 15:20:55 -0500
From: "Dana Shilling" <dshilling@worldnet.att.net>
To: "Susie Wright" <piscescat@home.com>, <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Lost in Cyberspace
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1. I usually associate "PGP" with "Pretty Good Privacy"--no wonder the
plotlines are cryptic!
2. Is the gonging noise/yellow bars of light when Zen first responds the
Windows 3000 logo? And have they got the stability problem sorted out YET?
3. Why doesn't Zen ever say "You've got mail"--is Blake concerned about the
ability to track Federation Online users? Or did he get the credit card bill
with 46 hours logged on to Ultravixens of Freedom City?
4. Black fetish gear easily explained: they're into client/server. And
Servalan is a very thin client indeed.
5. Why is she called ServaLAN when she stands alone?
-(Y) "Electronic Moron"
----- Original Message -----
From: Susie Wright <piscescat@home.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 2:47 AM
Subject: [B7L] Re: Cold Hard Truth
> The cold hard truth is neither cold nor hard... discuss...
> Thanks for the laugh, Neil - tie-dye and all! Shades of Douglas Adams?
>
> Susie
>
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 21:27:12 +0100
From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
To: "[B7L]" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Greetings
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Greetings from a new subscriber. ("Just what we need", I hear you all
groan.) :-) My name is Marian de Haan. I am 45, have a 16 year old
daughter, live in the Netherlands and earn my bread as an archivist.
I enjoyed B7 tremendously when it was shown on Dutch television in the early
'eighties. (I once caused a mighty row with my then boyfriend when I
changed channels to watch B7 while he was in the middle of watching a Very
Important World Champions League Football match.)
Coming across some videotapes while on holiday in London about a year ago I
happily bought them. Watching them back home I found the show as enjoyable
as I remembered. Also I now became aware of an element that had totally
escaped me the first time: Avon.
Overnight, I became an ardent fan. By now I've got all the tapes, surfed
along the websites (more, please!), started on fanfiction and feel still
starved. (I've just finished reading your story 'Hunter', Neil. Greatly
enjoyed it, especially the bit where Avon gets hurt. You make him suffer so
beautifully. :-) )
My favourite season is the third, mainly because we get Avon there at his
most human. Also it strikes me how much the S3 crew resemble a family, with
Cally as the weary, disillusioned mother; Tarrant as the difficult,
headstrong son; Dayna as the high spirited daughter; Avon as the unwilling
father, still trying to figure out how in the world he came to be encumbered
with a family; and 'Poor Uncle Vila' as the relative (Avon's illegitimate
brother?) they simply gave up trying to get rid of. :-) (No insult meant -
Vila is my second favourite character after Avon.)
I'll don a chainmail anyway. :-)
Marian
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 15:26:40 -0500
From: Meredith Dixon <dixonm@pobox.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] The nature of web sites (was episode reviews)
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On Tue, 14 Mar 2000 23:23:27 -0000, Andrew wrote:
>I generally reply to the list. If it happened to be your post, its because I
>got to that point when I thought I could contribute. Sorry if you thought I
>was being personal.
I appreciate the apology, but it's unnecessary. You didn't
make a mistake at all; that really *was* Neil's post. A few
days ago, in another thread, I made a comment and for some reason
everyone thought Neil had said it. Here, I was answering a post
you had specifically directed to Neil, so I could just see that
happening again! I decided to head it off at the pass. I am
sorry that I didn't make this clear.
>I am ABSOLUTELY committed to appropriate references / credit for
>other peoples work, and obtaining permission to use it if you want to do more
> than say where it exists. If that message was diluted by the rambling style of my post,
>and a misplaced "if" I deeply apologise.
Thanks. I saw the bit about just using a picture directly and
freaked. It really is a serious problem, especially for
artists. I'm not an artist, but I've spent time on lists which
attract artists (mostly for net comic strips) and I've seen their
discussions on the subject.
Several clip-art sites which were totally legit and which
contained art people were *meant* to use on their sites -- the
artist had drawn the work himself/herself and put it up for
people to use on their sites for free -- have folded because
people insisted on linking to the pictures rather than copying
the code and pasting them into their own sites, thus creating
a drain on the clip-art site's system's resources. Most ISPs
levy excessive-bandwidth charges on sites if too much traffic
comes to their sites, and the poor clip-art providers were
getting (and having to pay for!) the combined traffic of all the
sites which had linked to their sites!
A similar thing happens with pictures and comics people aren't
meant to link to -- if someone links directly to a picture or a
comic strip then the site which actually has the picture or the
comic strip has to pay for serving all the people who come to the
other site. But those people never see the ads on the other site
(if any), never hit the counter on the other site -- so the host
of the picture ends up paying for more traffic than his site ever
actually gets. This is very frustrating for the host!
>I do still think it is a valid option however for a site to use the resource
>of other sites to produce a complete set of information, but rather than
Yes, that's right. That's just what I meant there. I'm
certainly not opposed to using links -- if you've been to my site
(which has nothing to do with B7) you'll have seen that one of
the things I'm doing is trying to provide lists of good links
which relate to my topic.
>So which approach should a budding HTML author use ? (b) or (d) ?
In my experience, most webmasters greatly prefer links, as long
as the links are to a page on their site and not to an element on
that page (like a picture). Traffic is good as long as the
people generating the traffic are actually coming to one's own
website, rather than just using elements of that website in
someone else's website.
There are exceptions, of course. I have permission from the
Charleston Daily Mail to host an article of theirs -- they didn't
want to keep it on their site when it stopped being current news,
but they were kind enough to let me use it on condition that I
provide a link to their site in its credits.
And with pictures and comic strips -- anything that's an element
of a page -- the owner of the page may prefer that you host your
own copy, partly because graphics take up a lot more bandwidth
than text, so that it's more likely to cost him/her money if you
link to them, and partly for the reason I gave; if you're just
linked to an element on a page, your traffic won't really be
hitting the owner's site.
If you are linking to a page, it's acceptable to link and notify
the owner. (The owner then has the option of responding and
saying "Oh, please, just host the thing yourself" but the
Charleston Daily Mail is the only place that's ever done that for
me, and I've got hundreds of links on my site, so don't hold your
breath waiting for them to do so. :>) In the early days of the
Web, you were expected to ask for permission before linking,
but this is, as far as I can tell, no longer expected.
If you want to host something from another site on your own site,
you should ask for permission first. You may or may not get
permission, depending on how much the owner thinks the
thing adds to the attraction of his/her site, and how much the
owner likes your site. David Simpson of the wonderful Web comic
strip "Ozy and Millie" has been gracious enough to let me host
several of his comic strips, adding quite a bit to my site.
There's really no valid reason to link to someone else's element,
unless they ask you to (a few places which use small graphics for
protest campaigns or Web services specifically ask you to
link to their graphics so that they can change the graphics as
needed or so they can track how many people are seeing the
graphics The counter for my site is such a link.). You're
better off hosting graphics locally -- remote graphics take time
to load, and they may not load at all if there's a problem with
the other site, or between you and the other site. But if for
some reason you want to link to an element anyway, then you
should ask permission before doing so.
And I'm sorry to have spoken sharply. I hadn't thought through
the ramifications of all this before I started running my own
site just under a year ago, either. You don't, when you're not
doing it yourself -- an excellent example of your own observation
that people learn by doing. I don't know whether you have a
site of your own or not, but if you do and it doesn't have many
outside links, these issues probably just haven't come up.
--
Meredith Dixon <dixonm@pobox.com>
Check out *Raven Days*, for victims and survivors of bullying.
And for those who want to help.
http://www.pobox.com/~dixonm/raven.html
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 15:17:30 -0500
From: "Dana Shilling" <dshilling@worldnet.att.net>
To: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>, <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Blake and charisma
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Good for the job? If Blake were an orchestral instrument he would be a
viola. ("Why don't viola players play hide and seek? Who would look for
them?") If he were an Olympic event he'd be the Jamaican bobsled team (OK,
historical factors make it hard to practice, but still...) If he were a
sports statistic it would be "own goal."
-(Y)
----- Original Message -----
From: Ellynne G. <rilliara@juno.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 1:33 AM
Subject: [B7L] Blake and charisma
> OK, I know it's been talked to death, but I got to thinking, the issues
> been raised about Blake manipulating people and forcing them to agree
> with him, etc. That still seems too harsh a way to say it to me. I think
> Blake is one of those charismatic people who has a natural gift, one way
> or the other, for getting people to go his way and that he's never
> _thought_ about it in a moral context. It's one thing to have a leader
> folks would walk into the fire for, it's another who never considers the
> ethical obligations that come with that kind of power.
>
> And yet, Blake can't be completely unaware. Despite his attitude in
> fighting the Federation - it's a thing he can't imagine there being two
> opinion positions on - he actually wants to avoid being in charge if the
> rebels win.
>
> This may actually tie into Blake's weakness as a rebel leader. On some
> level, he doesn't want this responsibility. It's true he thinks everyone
> should agree with him and that there often isn't room for discussion, but
> he also wants them acting on their own, from their own convictions. It
> may have kept him from taking a more active role in organizing with the
> other rebel groups (sure, he occassionally worked with them, but he never
> said, "We're delivering needed supplies to Avalon," or "We're going to
> take the Liberator and attack from this side while our allies come in
> from the other," or even, "Hey, any of you rebels need a lift?"). Even
> when Avon says Blake will have to take charge, he says it in context of
> the problems Blake can stop - all the groups _could_ get behind him, not
> because he's good for the job (though Avon may have other reasons not to
> say that).
>
> Ellynne
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 21:34:54 +0100
From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
To: "Julia Jones" <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>,
<blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Cc: "Lysator List" <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: First Impressions: "Time Squad"
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Julia Jones wrote:
>I still want to see that costume/prop reference book, but I can't see it
>happening unless a lot of other people say the same thing...
Yes, I'd like to see it too.
Marian
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 21:54:18 +0100
From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>, "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon on the London
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-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Ellynne G. <rilliara@juno.com>
Aan: blakes7@lysator.liu.se <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Datum: woensdag 15 maart 2000 8:02
Onderwerp: [B7L] Avon on the London
Ellynne wrote:
>Avon had an owners attitude to the Liberator that seems puzzling
>sometimes since Blake and Jenna had at least the same salvage rights he
>did.
And Blake's owners attitude surpassed even Avon's. I always feel sorry for
Jenna in that respect. As one of the original boarders she had as much
right to the ship as they but neither seems to consider her claim.
>But think about those other ships that the Liberator had a fight with.
>
>This is just wild, stray thoughts, but what if Avon had a bigger hand in
>the escape than he let on?
>
>Stuck on earth and deeply depressed after Anna's death, Avon may have
>chosen a very dangerous way to get off planet, the one route no one will
>double check - as a prisoner on the London (sure, there's danger of being
>killed before he even reaches Cygnus, but he may not have cared that
>much).
Anna's 'death' must have left him pretty devastated, especially if he saw it
as *his* fault. Although his survival instinct probably is too strong for
him to contemplate suicide, I can imagine him not caring too much at that
point whether he lives or dies.
>He arranges to be on the same ship as Blake and a few other gifted
>people (breaking into the computers and tinkering with the lists).
Yes, I can see him doing just that.
>He is
>also up to speed on the rebels intended rescue of Blake (perhaps even
>having arranged parts of it, hence the note). He delays Blake's mutiny
>till the timing is right, only to have everything go wrong.
Rebel's Rule Number One: Nothing ever goes according to plan.
>The other ships were the rebels come to rescue Blake, only they managed
>to tick of Zen or the Ultra on their way in (perhaps having disobeyed
>some instructions Avon gave them [or so he'd later convince himself]).
>This is why he felt the ship was his. _He'd_ arranged to save Blake's
>skin and the Liberator was partly there because of him. He hadn't even
>been legitimately caught (running into someone like Vila who actually
>knew something of his past must have been a major pain, especially if the
>ship records only had Avon down for petty theft instead of attemting to
>overthrow the government and steal billions), etc.
Ellynne, I love this idea.
Marian
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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:43:26 EST
From: "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Greetings
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>From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
>Greetings from a new subscriber. ("Just what we need", I hear you all
>groan.) :-)
No, not at all. Welcome, Marian. Your start was braver than mine - but I'm
dreadful at introducing myself to people in everyday life.
>Also I now became aware of an element that had totally
>escaped me the first time: Avon.
<big smile> It is odd how he manages to escape the attention of some
latter-day Avon fans on the first viewing...
>You make him suffer so beautifully. :-) )
<sticks fingers in ears, retreats behind handy polystyrene rock> You have
lit the blue touchpaper, and you may need to stand well back...
Regards
Joanne
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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 11:28:27 EST
From: "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
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>From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
>I'd find that scenario much more enticing if I hadn't just been editing
>a piss-take where it turns out that Avon wears Mickey Mouse underpants
>under the leather.
Oh. Dear.
I suppose it could be worse - Dalek underpants, or the like.
No, I don't think I really want to contemplate a picture of a Dalek weapon
firing...
Regards
Joanne
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 19:32:04 EST
From: Mac4781@aol.com
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Marian,
Welcome back to B7. It's great to have so many enthusiastic list newbies
joining us.
> My favourite season is the third, mainly because we get Avon there at his
> most human. Also it strikes me how much the S3 crew resemble a family,
Yes, yes! They do seem like a family in Season 3 and that's why I love it.
Mind you, angst-addict that I am, I love Season 4 even more, but season 3 is
as gentle as B7 gets, and that's such a lovely change of pace. Avon is
relaxed and mellow and at times even caring.
> with
> Cally as the weary, disillusioned mother; Tarrant as the difficult,
> headstrong son; Dayna as the high spirited daughter; Avon as the unwilling
> father, still trying to figure out how in the world he came to be
encumbered
> with a family; and 'Poor Uncle Vila' as the relative (Avon's illegitimate
> brother?) they simply gave up trying to get rid of. :-)
I love those images, especially since they are obviously the product of a lot
of affection for the characters on you part. Thanks for sharing that with us.
You've reminded me of a question that I've been meaning to ask. Did they dub
in new voices/native languages when B7 was broadcast in non-English speaking
countries?
Carol Mc
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:39:58 -0600
From: Lisa Williams <lcw@dallas.net>
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Marian de Haan wrote:
>(I've just finished reading your story 'Hunter', Neil. Greatly enjoyed
>it, especially the bit where Avon gets hurt. You make him suffer so
>beautifully. :-) )
Just joined the list, and already she's baiting Neil. This one's gonna fit
right in...
- Lisa
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 20:38:15 EST
From: Pherber@aol.com
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Dana writes:
<< Production report from the Beeb: We couldn't afford location shooting in
Venice, but they have a lovely cuddle in a rowboat in a chalk pit, and we
had an abandoned oil refinery instead of a stately home, but we did take up
a collection* and bought some striped shirts and white flannels for Avon and
he looks well tasty so at least half of you won't notice anything else...
-(Y)>>
ROFL! Sad, but true! Although High Priestess Penny may be displeased with
your casting. Beware the wrath of FINALACT.
<< * I know this is an Americanism, but "we had a whip round" would certainly
be subject to misinterpretation. >>
Why, how else would we interpret it? <veg> Maybe we could take it over to
the Other List?
Nina
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 21:01:26 -0800
From: mistral@ptinet.net
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Neil Faulkner wrote:
> Okay, "Geneticist - or artistic Londoner? (6)"
<mutter, grumble> I'm stumped. What?
Mistral
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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 16:23:55 EST
From: "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
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>From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
>Mary Poppins and B7, now there's a scary thought.
Indeed. <smile> We should be very frightened.
>How would Avon react to a woman whose traveling bag broke the laws of
>physics and who knew she was practically perfect in every way? I >wonder
>what that tape measure would have said about him?
"Practically perfect in every way"? Surely not! But we should be fine so
long as no one imagines Vila leading a rousing chorus of
"Supercallifragilisticexpealidocious". That's scary thought too.
Hang on, it's too late for that...
Regards
Joanne
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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 00:39:30 EST
From: Pherber@aol.com
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In a message dated 3/15/00 1:15:35 PM Mountain Standard Time,
julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk writes:
<< I'd find that scenario much more enticing if I hadn't just been editing
a piss-take where it turns out that Avon wears Mickey Mouse underpants
under the leather. >>
Ack! Well, it could be worse, I suppose...somehow...no, Ren and Stimpy would
be an improvement!
Nina
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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 00:39:33 EST
From: Pherber@aol.com
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In a message dated 3/12/00 4:40:08 AM Mountain Standard Time,
smanton@hotmail.com writes:
<< "It is never difficult to distinguish between <Avon> with a grievance and
a
ray of sunshine." >>
Or even without a grievance...
Nina
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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 00:43:31 EST
From: Tigerm1019@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon on the London
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In a message dated 03/15/2000 2:54:21 PM Central Standard Time,
maya@multiweb.nl writes:
> And Blake's owners attitude surpassed even Avon's. I always feel sorry for
> Jenna in that respect. As one of the original boarders she had as much
> right to the ship as they but neither seems to consider her claim.
Yes, but Blake had justification for his. He *did* disarm the security
system. Jenna and Avon would have been dead if he hadn't. Also, Zen might
have had something to say about the issue, too. Jenna was the one who bonded
with him. Of the original three, Avon's claim is by far the weakest.
I think Blake may have known Jenna didn't want the Liberator in "Star One."
She did seem to be increasingly detached in the second season. Maybe she was
fed up with life in the rebellion and had been planning to leave after Star
One was gone.
Tiger M
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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 00:39:31 EST
From: Pherber@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Time Squad"
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In a message dated 3/15/00 11:26:42 AM Mountain Standard Time,
patpatera@netzero.net writes:
<< What's the hurry? Imagine: While out hunting Hommicks - er, Sarrans, you
stumble upon beautiful Avon, unconscious, washed up by the tide on a
deserted tropical beach. His long dark lashes lie wetly against his
cheeks, he is gift wrapped in wet leather, very tightly wrapped as only
wet leather will do. You take him to a quiet, secluded cave. You have
all afternoon to peel, and pull, carefully unwrapping your surprise
package... >>
Hmmmm, OK you've convinced me! But how do you keep him unconscious while
unwrapping him? <eg>
Nina
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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 00:39:32 EST
From: Pherber@aol.com
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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Judith pointed out:
<< B7 women aren't the screaming type - they'd never have made it on Dr Who.
>>
Very true. But would any of the Doctor's companions have made it on
Liberator or Scorpio? Ace or Leela might have had a chance - frequently
pugnacious and they don't scream *very* much. The only thing that might keep
Avon from pushing Harry out an airlock would be his medical skills, and he
might tolerate Romana for her advanced knowledge, but I think the rest of 'em
would pretty much be toast.
OTOH, Blake and co. don't run into alien monsters as much as the Doctor does,
so maybe the companions wouldn't scream so much.
Nina
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 21:50:43 +0000 (GMT)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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On Wed 15 Mar, Marian de Haan wrote:
> Greetings from a new subscriber. ("Just what we need", I hear you all
> groan.) :-) My name is Marian de Haan. I am 45, have a 16 year old
> daughter, live in the Netherlands and earn my bread as an archivist.
Lovely to see you here. I was hoping you'd pop up on the Lyst before long.
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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 100 10:10:58 +0100 (CET)
From: "Jeroen J. Kwast" <jeroenkw@gns.getronics.nl>
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Carol,
> You've reminded me of a question that I've been meaning to ask. Did they dub
> in new voices/native languages when B7 was broadcast in non-English speaking
> countries?
>
Not in Holland! We happyly view everyting with subtitles! (That's why I bought the BBC tapes)
Jeroen
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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 01:40:50 PST
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
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From Marian:
<(I've just finished reading your story 'Hunter', Neil. Greatly enjoyed
it, especially the bit where Avon gets hurt. You make him suffer so
beautifully. :-) )>
And Lisa:
<Just joined the list, and already she's baiting Neil. This one's gonna fit
right in...>
But - but could it be true? A secret devotee of h/c and Avon-torture in our
very midst and we never guessed.
Confess all, Neil! We will understand!!!
>
> - Lisa
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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 19:46:50 +1100
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Episode Reviews
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On Wed, Mar 15, 2000 at 03:03:16PM -0000, Ebony wrote:
> And Neil replied:
>
> > But does the pleasure come from the mere construction of the web site, as
> a
> > coding exercise, or from satisfaction with the content?
>[snip]
> > And is such
> > satisfaction located in the author's egoism ("*I* wrote this")
>
> No. That thought obviously entered my head, but in no way was it a major
> motivation. And even if it was, is that wrong? I would have thought that
> > or in his/er
> > expectation of its positive reception ("They'll like *this*)? Or indeed
> its
> > negative reception ("They'll *hate* this).
>
> Neither. In fact I rather dread people reading my site when I think of the
> expectations which some people seem to have of web sites, but *I* like to
> see it there, so other people's opinions about my site are not as important
> to me as they might be to others.
I'm going to jump in with a counter-opinion here. Probably more in
support of Neil's school of thought, I guess.
Me, personally, I *cannot* make a web page for something unless I
think it's going to be something new and useful. I'm a fan of lots of
shows, but I've only got web-pages for about five of them.
(B7, VR.5, Sapphire & Steel, B5(*) and Stargate)
The most telling example is my Sapphire & Steel page, because, though
I'd been on the S&S mailing list for years, I really felt I couldn't
make a web page for it, because there wouldn't actually be any
*content*.
If I made a web page for every show I liked, what could I say?
"Hello everybody, I'm a fan of this show, I think it's Reel Kool."
What is that? Exhibitionism or something? Why should anyone out in
cyberspace care whether *I* like a particular TV show or not?
I could make a web page that consisted of nothing but links to other,
existing web pages - but that's what my "links" page is for. Or I
could waste my time doing an episode guide when other people had
already done one. So: no web page.
But then I found something unique I could contribute to Sapphire &
Steel lore, after a couple of postings I'd made to that list.
So *then* I made a S&S web page, because I actually had something to
*say* that was worth saying.
And maybe that's just 'cuz I'm an INTJ.
(*) Yes, I know I am a B5 apostate, but the contents of my B5 page
partly explain my apostacy. Besides, I'm hosting most of the content
for someone else who doesn't have a web page of her own.
Kathryn Andersen
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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 13:11:06 +0000
From: Murray Smith <mjsmith@tcd.ie>
To: Lysator <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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Dear Marian,
Welcome to the list!
>Overnight, I became an ardent fan. By now I've got all the tapes, surfed
>along the websites (more, please!), started on fanfiction and feel still
>starved. (I've just finished reading your story 'Hunter', Neil. Greatly
>enjoyed it, especially the bit where Avon gets hurt. You make him suffer so
>beautifully. :-) )
I agree.
>My favourite season is the third, mainly because we get Avon there at his
>most human. Also it strikes me how much the S3 crew resemble a family, with
>Cally as the weary, disillusioned mother; Tarrant as the difficult,
>headstrong son; Dayna as the high spirited daughter; Avon as the unwilling
>father, still trying to figure out how in the world he came to be encumbered
>with a family; and 'Poor Uncle Vila' as the relative (Avon's illegitimate
>brother?) they simply gave up trying to get rid of. :-) (No insult meant -
>Vila is my second favourite character after Avon.)
You're right; I can see the Season 3 crew as a family unit now, thanks to
your explanation.<g> I like 'Aftermath' because it showed a relaxed Avon in
what approximated to the nearest thing to a 'family home' in the B7
universe, the Mellanby home. I feel that he was most human in that episode.
Murray
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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 13:20:26 +0000
From: Murray Smith <mjsmith@tcd.ie>
To: Lysator <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Companions on the Liberator (was First Impressions: "Time
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Nina said:
>Very true. But would any of the Doctor's companions have made it on
>Liberator or Scorpio? Ace or Leela might have had a chance - frequently
>pugnacious and they don't scream *very* much. The only thing that might keep
>Avon from pushing Harry out an airlock would be his medical skills, and he
>might tolerate Romana for her advanced knowledge, but I think the rest of 'em
>would pretty much be toast.
>OTOH, Blake and co. don't run into alien monsters as much as the Doctor does,
>so maybe the companions wouldn't scream so much.
Don't forget Sarah-Jane Smith. She was pugnacious as well. Now if it was Jo
Grant, I'd agree with you completely, as I wouldn't even trust her to
operate the teleport.<vbg>
Murray
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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 08:19:02 -0500
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Masterblake Theater
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Dana wrote:
>Basil the Teddy Bear: VILA
Aloysius?
Harriet
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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 08:18:58 -0500
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: complexity of character
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Trish wrote:
>you may want to consider that it is at least possible
>that some of the crew were hearing voices, and perhaps
> acting on them, which is more schizophrenia.
I'd be prepared to accept that Ven Glynd and co had triggered some sort of
schizophrenic reaction from Blake in Voice from the Past. Don't think I'm
inclined to accept Cally as a schizophrenic.
Harriet
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