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blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 77
Today's Topics:
[B7L] Re: Animals
Re: [B7L] Greetings
[B7L] Re: Ali G Interviews Kerr Avon
Re: [B7L] Greetings
[B7L] Another Shade of Blue
[B7L] Re: Was Animals some time ago
Re: [B7L] Greetings
[B7L] Avon drool
Guest Stars (was Re: [B7L] Re: Animals)
Re: [B7L] Avon drool
Re: [B7L] hyperspace
Re: [B7L] Another Shade of Blue
Re: [B7L] Off topic--UK sports
[B7L] Avon - Meegat
Re: [B7L] Re: Mary Poppins/Avon
Re: [B7L] Belbin
Re:[B7L] First impressions: "The Web"
[B7L] Animals (was Greetings)
Re: [B7L] hyperspace
[B7L] Lost in Cyberspace
Re: [B7L] First impressions: "The Web"
Re: [B7L] Re: Animals
Re: [B7L] The nature of WEB sites.
Re: [B7L] Re: Costume/Prop Reference Book
Re: [B7L] Re: Animals
[B7L] RPG Female Fans
[B7L] ADMIN: Maximum allowed size of posting
Re: [B7L] The nature of WEB sites.
Re: [B7L] RPG Female Fans
Re: [B7L] RPG Female Fans
Re: [B7L] Ali G interviews Kerr Avon
Re: [B7L] Commiseration/Hunter
Re: [B7L] Darkheart website
Re: [B7L] Neil, the changed man
Re: [B7L] Darkheart website
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Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 22:35:03 -0800
From: Susie Wright <piscescat@home.com>
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Subject: [B7L] Re: Animals
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>From Marian: "Wicked thought: suppose for a moment that Avon was not
played by Paul Darrow (unimaginable, I know; just try it for the sake of
argument). Instead, Paul was given the guest role of Justin. Now,
would that have made 'Animals' our all time favourite episode?"
I wonder because Avon didn't make an impression on me (and others) right
away. He had to grow on you when you weren't looking and then suddenly
- hey, who's THAT guy? So for Paul to have guested in one episode, he
may not have made the intense impact he did as a regular cast member,
but he might have grown in our hearts after repeated viewings of this
episode. Can you think of other guest stars who made a huge impact on
B7 fandom?
The thought had me playing around with what if the B7 actors were cast
differently? (Same cast, different parts.) Obviously, Sally and Jan
swap roles, but what if you threw Jacqueline into the mix and had Jackie
as Cally and Sally as Servalan and Jan as Jenna, for example? With the
guys, you could have various combinations using both Stephen and Brian
as potential Liberator members. I was originally thinking original
cast, but you could also add 3rd and 4th season additions into the
game. How about a female Travis? Servalan was originally to be a man
but I'm glad they made the character a woman.
The only other person I can think of to play Avon if a movie of the
series were to be made now is Kevin Spacey. He has the intelligence,
wit, grace and intensity. And I bet he wears leather really well....
Susie
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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:16:06 EST
From: "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
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>From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
> > I believe Neil has been to Ultraworld, where the Altas accidentally got
> > his brain switched with that of a puffin. Or perhaps a muffin.
>Could just be nuffin.
Go down that track, and Neil will have to check for heart, home and courage
next.
Regards
Joanne
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Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 23:41:59 -0800
From: Susie Wright <piscescat@home.com>
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Alison said: "Very funny indeed. I hate to think what the non-brits
think you are playing at."
I find slang hard to read when I'm tired, but I can understand many a
spoken thick accent. (Must be my thing for lanuages...) I'm wondering
if it's a spoof of someone, but either way it was very funny. Strange,
but funny.
Time for bed.
Susie
Oh, and I liked Alison's doggy chorus in her "Cool Box Blues." I'm in
that pre-sleep giddy mode of the evening as it creeps towards
midnight...
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Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 23:48:49 PST
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
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Is it my imagination, or am I currently getting far more emails on the
subject of nice Mr Faulkner than nasty Mr Avon :-)?
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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 01:21:10 -0800
From: mistral@ptinet.net
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Subject: [B7L] Another Shade of Blue
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The Ultramarines
Well I woke up this morning,
there was an echo in my head.
Well, when I woke up this morning,
there was an echo in my head.
I telepathed myself a message,
and warned myself to stay in bed.
I dragged myself down to the flight deck,
and all the rebel gang was there.
Reluctantly I dragged myself down to the flight deck,
and all the usual gang of criminals was there.
The room was full of snarls and leather,
aggression, soma, curly hair.
We found a planet shining silver;
Zen didn't know what it could do.
We found a planet, it was lumpy and bumpy and silver,
and Zen's scans couldn't show what it might do.
But you know, Avon seemed to like it;
I guess that should have been a clue.
Well, honey, I've had the blues, the indigos, aquas, and greens;
But there ain't nothing compares to these lowdown Ultramarines.
You know, I don't know how I got there,
my memories are very few.
I said, I don't know how I got there,
this sort of thing happens often since I joined this crew.
I found myself down on this planet;
there were some men, and they were blue.
They said hello, we are the Ultra,
and we're so glad you came to call.
Yes, they said we, we are the Ultra,
and we're so glad, so very glad you came when we called;
But now you look a little tired, child.
Why don't you lean against this wall?
Well, honey, I've had the blues, the indigos, aquas, and greens;
But there ain't nothing compares to these lowdown Ultramarines.
Well, when I woke up this evening,
someone else was in my head.
Yes, when I woke up this evening,
that cold sententious misanthropic Alpha's mind was in my head.
So now when I catch up with Tarrant,
he's going to see just what an Auronae can do when she sees red.
It's hard to see him in my body,
the things he does with it are vile.
Oh, yes, it's hard to see Avon use my body,
the things he gets up to can only be called vile.
It isn't that I mind the leather,
but my face just looks so awful when he smiles.
Well, honey, I've had the blues, the indigos, aquas,
and those sickly blue-greens;
But there ain't nothing compares to the headache they give you,
these lowdown Ultramarines.
No there ain't nothing compares to these lowdown, unappealing,
set your mind a-reeling, back-stabbing, double-dealing,
greedy, grasping, psyche-stealing, lowdown Ultramarines.
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"Consider it an adventure."--Galen, 'Crusade'
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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 01:15:35 PST
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Was Animals some time ago
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Susie wrote:
<The thought had me playing around with what if the B7 actors were cast
differently? (Same cast, different parts.) >
You had to ask, and I had to think about it. With a slightly different
angle.
First pick - well, I *like* them...most of them...<g>
Blake - Dr Bellfriar (Killer) - I know, I know, any excuse to drag Paul
Daneman back in.
Jenna - Verlis (Assassin)
Cally - Kasabi (Pressure Point) - what Cally *should* have been all along.
Avon - Kayn (Breakdown) - well, the only other one *that* arrogant was the
*real* Blake! Mind you, Julian Glover in black leather and studs is not
something I really find appealing <g>
Gan - Ushton (Hostage)
Vila - Bek (Shadow)
Tarrant - Rai (SLD) seems closest, though Jarvik (Kairos) would be fun.
Dayna - Tyce (Bounty)
Soolin - Sara (Destiny)
Travis I - Provine (Countdown) would knock both GITHOG *and* FINALACT out of
contention IMHO.
Servalan - Alta Morag (The Way Back. And no I do not want to imagine her in
Servie's dresses, or in a liplock with Avon.)
Second pick - oh what the hell, just for the utterly appealing mental
pictures...
Blake - Jarriere (Gambit - you knew I'd get him in there somewhere., didn't
you? And 'Jarriere's 7' has a certain ring, doesn't it, Harriet?)
Jenna - has to be Piri (Assassin)
Cally - equally has to be Governer le Grand (Voice from the Past)
Gan - Gunn-Sar (Power)
Vila - Nova (Spacefall)
Tarrant - abso*lute*ly has to be Cancer (Assassin)
Dayna - Inga (Hostage)
Soolin - Second Mutoid (Project Avalon <eg>)
Travis - Bayban (City on the Edge of the World)
Servalan - Giroc (Duel.)
And Avon as Avon, simply because My Darling having to live with/deal with
this selection would be Not-at-All Beautiful Suffering of the most
*fascinating* sort...
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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 01:25:53 PST
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
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After I wrote:
<Anyone else have this GLORIOUS mental picture of Marian doing this warm and
fuzzy bit to My Darlings on the Liberator?>
Julia answered:
<I can see Avon working out that he's being wound up, and being torn between
being seriously pissed off, and desire to watch it being done to Blake...>
Even better, let's imagine *Blake* - in a fit of fairly justifiable
malicious amusement - doing it to Avon, being all noble and caring and sweet
and mother-hennish and - and *nice* - just to see how appalled Avon would
be...
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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 01:51:49 PST
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
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Subject: [B7L] Avon drool
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After Ariana wrote:
<Erm, when did I say that? If I did, I was lying. Though I understand that
the 'hots for Avon' seems to be something most women catch later in the
series, so maybe this limerick will become true later.>
Julia answered:
<It tends to be assumed that women who do not specifically state that they
cannot understand why the rest of us are drooling, are drooling.>
After all, why waste valuable drooling time?
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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:41:17 +1100
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Guest Stars (was Re: [B7L] Re: Animals)
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On Sun, Mar 19, 2000 at 10:35:03PM -0800, Susie Wright wrote:
> episode. Can you think of other guest stars who made a huge impact on
> B7 fandom?
Carnell!
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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:22:35 +1100
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon drool
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On Sun, Mar 19, 2000 at 03:25:52PM +0000, Julia Jones wrote:
> In message <013c01bf91ae$5c30c3e0$96e407c3@ariana>, Ariana
> <ariana@ndirect.co.uk> writes
> >Erm, when did I say that? If I did, I was lying. Though I understand that
> >the 'hots for Avon' seems to be something most women catch later in the
> >series, so maybe this limerick will become true later.
>
> It tends to be assumed that women who do not specifically state that
> they cannot understand why the rest of us are drooling, are drooling.
I cannot understand why the rest of you are drooling.
(-8
Kathryn Andersen
(A.S.K.S. - Avon's Sympathetic Kindred Spirits)
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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 11:08:00 +0000 (GMT)
From: Iain Coleman <ijc@bsfiles.nerc-bas.ac.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] hyperspace
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On Sat, 18 Mar 2000, Andrew Ellis wrote:
>
> The point is this. I long thought that Time Distort (B7) and Hyperspace
> (ST, SW) were totally different things. I was certain that the H word
> was never even mentioned in "our" series until "that" radio play (the
> one with the hamburgers), and then the central theme of the next radio
> play.
>
> But then in Space Fall, Jenna say's "It feels like an early mark
> HYPERDRIVE which needs re stressing, the whole thing .....".
Presumably 'Hyperdrive" is a brand name.
Iain
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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 21:43:25 +1100
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Another Shade of Blue
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On Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 01:21:10AM -0800, mistral@ptinet.net wrote:
> The Ultramarines
[snip]
> No there ain't nothing compares to these lowdown, unappealing,
> set your mind a-reeling, back-stabbing, double-dealing,
> greedy, grasping, psyche-stealing, lowdown Ultramarines.
Bravo! Bravo!
Kathryn Andersen
(two days to blast off! See you in Newcastle, Julia!)
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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 09:46:19 EST
From: Mac4781@aol.com
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Calle wrote:
> No, no. Soccer involves *running*. Can't see Vila doing that, unless
> he's running away from something.
Good point. Having a designated Vila chaser on the team (a hired hairy
alien) to keep him motivated would defeat the purpose.
I'll switch to Dayna as best soccer player. But only if she promises not to
wear her high heels during games. ;) She almost tripped down the flight deck
stairs while wearing them in SARCOPHAGUS.
> No, Vila plays pool. Depends on skilled hands, doesn't make you sweat,
> eminently compatible with some social drinking and there's plenty of
> opportunity for a modest scam.
I can see him lounging about drink in hand. Yes, this works. A partner
might be nice (all the better to run scams). I'd like to nominate Soolin for
that role: cool, unflappable, and ready to protect both of them if the scam
goes bad.
Carol Mc
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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 06:57:34 -0800
From: "Ann Basart" <abasart@dnai.com>
To: "Blake's7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Avon - Meegat
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Pat F wrote, about Avon:
>Ah - well, he seems very bemused not to say embarrassed by Meegat . . .
Not embarrassed enough.
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Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 20:13:23 -0700
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Mary Poppins/Avon
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On Sun, 19 Mar 2000 16:50:50 -0800 Susie Wright <piscescat@home.com>
writes:
> Ellynne: "How would Avon react to a woman whose traveling bag broke
> the
> laws of physics and who knew she was practically perfect in every
> way?"
>
> Avon would kiss her and take the bag away for further investigation
> and
> use against the Federation.
>
Avon kissing Mary Poppins. The mind boggles.
While that's an interesting idea, I was picturing something more like -
Mary Poppins: Hmm, yes, I can see there's quite a bit of work needed
here. I'll give you a trial period of thirteen episodes. All right,
everyone, spit spot. We're going to play a game called "Let's Tide Up
the Federation."
Avon [just walking onto the bridge and seeing her for the first time.
Stops, freezes, look of absolute horror written across his face]: Nannie?
Ellynne
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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 16:29:09 +0000 (GMT)
From: Iain Coleman <ijc@bsfiles.nerc-bas.ac.uk>
To: b7 <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Belbin
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On Sat, 18 Mar 2000, Alison Page wrote:
> (Alison's prediction - nearly everyone comes out as 'Plant', which is the
> trendy one to be anyway)
Here's one data point in favour of your hypothesis, Alison.
I've never been trendy before.
Iain
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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:34:35 +0200 (EET)
From: Kai V Karmanheimo <karmanhe@cc.helsinki.fi>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re:[B7L] First impressions: "The Web"
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Ariana wrote:
< Jenna's unexplained hostility towards
Cally annoyed me too; if it just turns out to "feminine jealousy", I'll be
very cross. I did like the bit where Cally tries to accompany Blake to the
surface, though, especially the shrug she gives Avon and Gan as she leaves
the teleport room.>
I think this ties with her comment at the end of "Time Squad": "It seems
to me it should have taught us something. Something about the wisdom
involved in bringing aliens aboard." Having had to fight with a bunch of
homicidal aliens, she would be suspicious about another one in their
midst. And not long (?) after that, there's that very same alien
sabotaging the ship and pointing a gun at her. Plus everybody was pretty
upset there and hostile reactions were amplified (I'd like to think Avon's
reaction was not just him being his normal, cheerful self, but that he
also got angry for being tricked, in two ways, in fact). I think jealousy
is only an option here (of course, maybe Jenna is thinking: "That little
tart! She's only been here for a minute, and already she's throwing
herself at Blake and banging Vila! On the head, that is.").
<What was especially interesting is the way the Decimas won in the end.
Although Blake stopped Novara from destroying them, they make it into the
compound by chance. They then proceed to wreak a remarkable amount of
havok,
killing Novara and Geela in a pretty hideous manner. Blake might have done
the Right Thing in wanting to save them, but Avon is equally justified in
wondering whether they deserved to be saved.>
When I first saw this episode all those years ago, I think it was that
final devastation that made the greatest impression on me. It seems
perhaps a bit too long now, but I'm still taken by its sheer
viciousness. And I agree about the moral ambiguity of the ending. This a
typical Star Trek influenced space-opera device, but stripped of the usual
moral certitudes and easy-way-out resolutions (if this had been made by
the original Trek team, the Decimas wouldn't have killed Novara and Geela,
but instead we would probably have ended up watching Blake lecture them on
how they can all live happily together if they just learn to love each
other).
<While I'm back on satorial comments -- evidently a new leitmotiv of mine
-- I'd just like to say that this week's wardrobe made Vila look like an
Eskimo, and Avon look as if he has a computer console around his neck.>
Actually, I'd commend the daring colour scheme of Vila's costume. It
suggests the wearer has recently had a nasty accident in a public
lavatory.
Kai
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Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 20:46:32 -0700
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Animals (was Greetings)
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On Sun, 19 Mar 2000 04:56:09 PST "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
writes:
I thought Avon looked bad enough in *that* get-up in
> Deathwatch,
> but the mental picture of Paul in Justin's surreally awful outfit
> is…is…
No, no. If Justin had been on Liberator instead of Avon, if they
survived long enough to make it to Animals, they would have found a
scientist in a leather jacket (and probably building computer toys
instead of doing genetic experimentation).
And, so long as I'm dreaming, Cally would have survived to the main
character instead of Dayna. Hence, Avon would have been her old
boyfriend. Neither one of them would have fallen for Servalan's trap
(assuming she showed up, since there would be no genetic experiments for
her to steal). I'm sure there would have been some crisis, but it would
have just been an excuse to bring a little action and suspense in as
Cally tried to convince Avon to join them and Avon tried to convince
Cally to dump the revolution and stay with him (all in a strictly, family
viewing appropriate way, of course)....
Hey, you're right, I'm liking this episode.
Ellynne
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Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 20:37:24 -0700
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] hyperspace
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On Sat, 18 Mar 2000 21:16:28 -0000 "Andrew Ellis"
<Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com> writes:
> Is there any tech stuff out there on propulsion systems I can read up
> on.
>
> The point is this. I long thought that Time Distort (B7) and
> Hyperspace (ST, SW) were totally different things. [snip]
>
> But then in Space Fall, Jenna say's "It feels like an early mark
> HYPERDRIVE which needs re stressing, the whole thing .....".
>
Just IMHO - actually, just my desperate effort to work around this -
consider if someone from our era / cultural background were to say, after
riding in some new kind of vehicle, "It's feels like riding a
three-legged horse with a hangover that's trying to do the Watusi
blind-folded. Someone, put it out of its misery ...." This would not
mean they ever HAD ridden a three legged horse (of either the drunk or
sober variety) or that they even knew what the Watusi was supposed to
look like (I don't). Maybe hyperdrive was an early, largely unsuccesful
attempt at space travel now refered to only in an effort to describe how
much room there was for improvement in the Liberator's shock absorbers
(Zen probably just hadn't gotten around to repairing them when they made
that first trip, since we don't see this effect again [it might also
explain the lost six months if the ship accidentally did skip a dimension
and did some time warping along with it (Zen: Oops)])
Ellynne
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Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 20:26:24 -0700
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Lost in Cyberspace
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On Sun, 19 Mar 2000 20:36:17 -0000 "Andrew Ellis"
<Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com> writes:
>
>
> ><< I've often wondered about Avon's well-roundedness
> > (training-educationwise, that is). It seems a little beyond what
> anyone
> > could possibly accomplish. >>
> >
> >Combined hardware/software skills are kind of rare, but not
> nonexistent --
>
> >Nina
>
> Hear hear.
>
> Lots of great people have been skilled in more than one discipline.
> Some of
> them even switch fields, and get Nobel prizes for their new work. As
> Nina
> say's - Rare, but not non-existent.
>
Yes, but, as the resident "smart guy," Avon seemed to constantly to know
everything about everything (with occassional, minor exceptions, usually
when it was Blake's turn to do plot exposition). It's like the story
someone told me years back about a 'What-if' Spiderman story where Peter
Parker finally got to apply all his technical know how in the open
instead of keeping it secret for his superheroing toys and winds up
catapulting humanity into a new technology age within two weeks. It was
nice some writer finally noticed the kid was overly gifted.
Not that I'm suggesting any connection between Avon and Spiderman. True,
they both make bad decisions for selfish reasons that hurt those near and
dear to them, but I somehow can't see Avon gaining a moral conviction
about using his talents for the good of all humanity (or even New York)
as a result.
Ellynne
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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 10:21:01 -0700
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] First impressions: "The Web"
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On Sun, 19 Mar 2000 17:30:06 -0000 "Ariana" <ariana@ndirect.co.uk>
writes:
> Cally fared abysmally, as I said above. One of the reasons I dislike
> possession stories -- aside from the fact most of the ones I've seen
> were
> rubbish :) -- is the notion that a character's personality and
> behaviour can
> be simply taken over by someone else's. In Cally's case, we weren't
> even
> given an opportunity to see her own personality and behaviour before
> she's
> walking around being someone else.
Good point, although I do like some possession stories, the ones where a
it eerily begins to dawn on someone that it may look like someone they
trust and sound like someone they trust, but it isn't someone they trust
- unless they themselves are the ones who are losing it. Then there's the
opposite. It may look and sound like someone they DON"T trust, and it
may just be a con.
But, you're right. For either of these to work, you have to have some
idea who you're supposed to be dealing with. It doesn't mean much to
have a character come along and say, "Hi, we've never met before. I'm
Fred." only to later say, "Hah! Had you fooled! I'm really Ed just
made-up to look like Fred."
Jenna's unexplained hostility
> towards
> Cally annoyed me too; if it just turns out to "feminine jealousy",
> I'll be
> very cross.
Personally, I think the Federation had various levels of caste prejudice
(Alphas, Deltas, etc.) and aliens were the low point on the hierarchy.
Jenna's xenophobia was pushed up after the last episode and then settled
on Cally.
>
> JENNA: It wasn't what she was doing. It was the way she was. If you
> looked into her eyes it wasn't her looking back at you.
> GAN: Avon says that's because she's an alien.
> VILA: Everyone's an alien to him.
>
Just have to add, I'm dying to know what the context of Gan's Avon quote
is. Avon obviously didn't feel this way when Cally was asking about his
work and there didn't seem to be any hint of it when they first met.
What we do know: Gan implies Avon made the same observation as Jenna, but
this doesn't seem likely, given what we know. Also, this comment
probably predates the current problem, since they seem to be just
discussing it with one of the more communicative members of the crew.
Also, the context implies this was from a conversation only between Gan
and Avon. This seems to be the first Vila's heard of it or he'd have made
this comment earlier (it he'd made it earlier in front of Gan, he should
say something like, "Like I said, everyone's an alien to him."
So, Avon made a comment about Cally,perhaps just in passing, possibly in
response to something Gan had said (which means it could have been an
attempt to end a conversation Gan was trying to start).
What was it? Well, kind-hearted Gan may have been making a comment about
Cally's lack of emotional display given all that had happened to her
before joining Liberator and that it wasn't humanly healthy. Avon may
have said, "Fortunately, she's not human."
OR it could have been something more. Gan's statement could mean Avon
has actually made a comment about Cally's _eyes_, either a comment about
what he sees as a good trait (emotional control) or one where he more or
less admitted he didn't know what she was thinking but that he wanted to
know.
As for the alien element, Jenna (and possibly Gan) may have prejudice
against aliens, but Avon seems to have put humans at the bottom of his
list.
In other words, I think he _likes_ her.
Ellynne
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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:01:19 +0000
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Animals
Message-ID: <nGuaaHAPrd14EwF0@jajones.demon.co.uk>
In message <38D5C696.6BA67A34@home.com>, Susie Wright
<piscescat@home.com> writes
>Can you think of other guest stars who made a huge impact on
>B7 fandom?
One of the strengths of B7 is how well they used the guest parts. For
the most part they're real people, not cardboard cutouts as scenery for
the regulars to play against. Bercol and Rontane seem to be very popular
with Freedom City members, even though they have only a few lines in two
episodes.
>
>The thought had me playing around with what if the B7 actors were cast
>differently? (Same cast, different parts.)
Paul originally went for the part of Blake:-)
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:31:26 GMT
From: "Mat Shayde" <dorian17@hotmail.com>
To: Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com, blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] The nature of WEB sites.
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>Andrew Ellis wrote:
>"I am not a man, I am a free number."
Do ALL B7 fans also follow The Prisoner ?
No. We don't. :)
Dorian
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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:38:09 GMT
From: "Mat Shayde" <dorian17@hotmail.com>
To: piscescat@home.com, blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Costume/Prop Reference Book
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Anyway... it'd be cool to see the history of the costumes and props and not
just from Muir's listing of what was begged, borrowed and stolen from the
set of "Space 1999." Learning that file boxes made up the console supports
on the flight deck was a surprise. Low budget brings a lot of creativity.
Susie
I for one agree, I'd buy a book on costumes, props and sets. Speaking as
someone who made a teleport bracelet from an section of orange juice bottle,
half a rubber and some silver foil as a child (blue Peter has so much to
answer for!) I'd love a book like this. :)
Dorian
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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:42:08 GMT
From: "Mat Shayde" <dorian17@hotmail.com>
To: piscescat@home.com, blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Animals
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From: Susie Wright <piscescat@home.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Animals
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 22:35:03 -0800
I wonder because Avon didn't make an impression on me (and others) right
away. He had to grow on you when you weren't looking and then suddenly -
hey, who's THAT guy? So for Paul to have guested in one episode, he may not
have made the intense impact he did as a regular cast member, but he might
have grown in our hearts after repeated viewings of this episode. Can you
think of other guest stars who made a huge impact on B7 fandom?
Well, speaking personally (and for obvious reasons) Geoffrey Burridge as
Dorian. A superb character convincingly played.
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 06:51:57 -0000
From: "DragonFly" <dragonfly@pond65.fsnet.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] RPG Female Fans
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Hi there.
Just chucking an idea into circulation, anyone interested in a RPG B7 =
style.?
Julia L
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Date: 20 Mar 2000 19:53:41 +0100
From: Calle Dybedahl <calle@lysator.liu.se>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] ADMIN: Maximum allowed size of posting
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Someone (name not given to protect the guilty) just tried to post a
650-kilobyte sound file to the list. Fortunately, the listbot threw it
out, since it was over the half-megabyte maximum posting size.
I set that size long ago, when the net was a place where one could
expect people to behave sensibly. I had plain forgot about it.
Now that it has been forcibly brought to my attention again, I'm
considering lowering the limit to 25 kilobytes. A quick look at the
postings that has been done since the beginning of December shows that
the only posts approaching (or, in one case, exceeding) that size are
HTML-infested monstrosities, and would have been less than half as big
if the poster had had sense enough to send text. In text, 25k is about
350 to 400 lines. Something that long should probably be broken up
into two or more parts anyway, to be easily readable.
So, basically, I think that 25k is a reasonable upper limit. What do
you people out there think?
--
Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | calle@lysator.liu.se
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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:56:20 +0100
From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] The nature of WEB sites.
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Andrew Ellis asked:
>Do ALL B7 fans also follow The Prisoner ?
No.
Marian
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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:04:45 GMT
From: "Mat Shayde" <dorian17@hotmail.com>
To: dragonfly@pond65.fsnet.co.uk, blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] RPG Female Fans
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From: "DragonFly" <dragonfly@pond65.fsnet.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] RPG Female Fans
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 06:51:57 -0000
>Hi there.
>Just chucking an idea into circulation, anyone interested in a RPG >B7
>style.?
>Julia L
Hi Julia,
there is a B7 RPG. I've been running it for group of fellow role-players for
about 2 years now. I don't know if it is still available but you used to be
able to get it through Horizon. It's very good fun.
Mail me if you want to know more details about the game or the scenarios
I've been using,
Dorian
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 07:07:17 -0000
From: "DragonFly" <dragonfly@pond65.fsnet.co.uk>
To: "Mat Shayde" <dorian17@hotmail.com>, <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] RPG Female Fans
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Thanks,
I have seen it advertised...I used to run via email...a fantasy one like
d&d, didn't know if we could get one up and going on email?
just a thought.
Julia
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>
> From: "DragonFly" <dragonfly@pond65.fsnet.co.uk>
> To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
> Subject: [B7L] RPG Female Fans
> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 06:51:57 -0000
>
> >Hi there.
>
> >Just chucking an idea into circulation, anyone interested in a RPG >B7
> >style.?
>
> >Julia L
>
> Hi Julia,
>
> there is a B7 RPG. I've been running it for group of fellow role-players
for
> about 2 years now. I don't know if it is still available but you used to
be
> able to get it through Horizon. It's very good fun.
>
> Mail me if you want to know more details about the game or the scenarios
> I've been using,
>
> Dorian
>
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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 09:22:23 -0000
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Ali G interviews Kerr Avon
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Rob wrote:
> Ali G interviews Kerr Avon
Wow! As in right, okay? Viss one I'm definitly keepin', yeah. Re-spect!
Neil (who has no telly and has consequently never seen Ali G, but has heard
enough about him to get the general idea)
"I am not a man, I am a free number."
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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 09:12:55 -0000
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Commiseration/Hunter
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Marian wrote:
>And if I did offend/insult/hurt Neil or anyone
> else on this list I offer my sincere apologies.
Offended? Insulted? Hurt? Not really. Just sort of ... well, a bit
miffed. The Avon/Anna Aftermath angle was largely worked in as a sop to the
readers (as in "Hey, they'll really go for this"), all part of my authorial
duty to write an entertaining story ect. It slotted painlessly into the
plot, at any rate, and helped locate the episode time-wise. But it wasn't
the primary focus of the story, which was largely written in response to
some of the knee-jerk reactionary comments on drugs and abuse of that I'd
seen in various other fan stories. So right from the start, this was going
to be a soapbox story, along the lines of 'Junkies are people too'.
I'd long wanted to do a B7 version of 'Alien', and after seeing a few more
SF action movies (such as 'Aliens', 'Terminator 2', and 'Predator' [which
gave 'Hunter' its title, BTW]), I could sense a common thread running
through them, namely the same knee-jerk reactionary attitudes that underlay
the simplistic condemnation of drug (ab)use in the fan stories I'd read. So
the two themes went together rather well, I thought.
Hence 'Hunter' - part homage/part piss-take on the SF Action Movie genre,
combining its native gung-ho spirit with a reversal of its normal values.
(For instance, Dayna's quest to find and destroy the monster alone is *not*
the noble/heroic act it is portrayed as in, for instance, 'Predator'. In
'Aliens' and T2 the child is almost obligated to survive no matter how often
s/he gets threatened, whereas in my story she doesn't stand a snowball's.)
The story, incidentally, is most emphatically not pro-drugs. I think the
message is pretty clear - mess around with drugs and you get killed by a
nasty big monster. But where 'Hunter' differs from the fanfic that inspired
it is in the way it differentiates the people from the problem. The
spaced-out junkies are not conveniently 'bad' people, in fact they are very
ordinary and generally rather likable people (the dealer is portrayed
somewhat more negatively, though). And the eponymous monster is of course a
metaphor for the whole 'drug problem', and I made damn certain of slipping
in that bit about it being an artificial creation, not something that
evolved naturally on some distant planet - it is a man-made metaphor for a
man-made problem, a product of its society, not reassuringly 'alien'.
So when someone tells me that they read the story and think it was great
because Avon suffered beautifully, is it any wonder that I end up feeling a
little bit peeved off?
Neil
"I am not a man, I am a free number."
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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:27:39 +0000
From: Nicola Collie <nicola@dunedinite.free-online.co.uk>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Darkheart website
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Una said:
>Hoiho, hoiho, it's off to work we go... (and that probably gets the prize
>for being a joke which I think only 3 people on this list could potentially
>get and thus being the *least funny thing ever written here*).
I certainly hope you had me in mind as one of the three. Who's the other one?
Nicola (groaning on the inside)
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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 20:03:32 -0000
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Neil, the changed man
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> What the heck, give me my hug before your medication wears off. :)
ROFL!!! No medication, Avona, in fact I feel more like I've come off some
really nasty pills. Let's hope it lasts, eh?
And since you ask so sweetly, here's your <hug>
Neil
"I am not a man, I am a free number."
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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 20:31:27 -0000
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: "Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Darkheart website
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Nicola asked:
> Una said:
> >Hoiho, hoiho, it's off to work we go... (and that probably gets the prize
> >for being a joke which I think only 3 people on this list could
potentially
> >get and thus being the *least funny thing ever written here*).
>
> I certainly hope you had me in mind as one of the three.
I most certainly did.
> Who's the other one?
Well, I reckoned Neil would be groaning as well.
Una
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