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blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 81
Today's Topics:
[B7L] Avon's Skills
[B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #79
Re: dnt smart Guy-- nitpick
Re: [B7L] Re: Resident Smart Guy
Re: [B7L] Re: Resident Smart Guy
Re: [B7L] Re: Resident Smart Guy
[B7L] Re: Mary Poppins/Avon
Re: [B7L] Space Fall question
[B7L] Re: Mary Poppins/Avon
Re: [B7L] Cally & Avon
[B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #80
[B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #80
[B7L] More B7 Blues
Re: [B7L] Space Fall question
[B7L] Re: Guest Stars
Re: [B7L] Re: B7 Characters in the TARDIS
Re: [B7L] Space Fall question
Re: [B7L] Re: Guest Stars
Re: [B7L] Re: Resident Smart Guy
[B7L] Cally & Avon
Re: [B7L] Mary Poppins on the Liberator
Fwd: Re: [B7L] Re: Guest Stars
Re: [B7L] Re: B7 Characters in the TARDIS (fairly off-topic)
Re: [B7L] List etiquette
Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #80
Re: [B7L] List etiquette
Re: [B7L] Re: B7 Characters in the TARDIS (fairly off-topic)
Re: [B7L] Cally & Avon
[B7L] Re: Guest stars
Re: [B7L] Space Fall question
Re: [B7L] Re: Guest Stars
[B7L] Paranomasia
[B7L] Paranomasia
[B7L] EFDS
Re: [B7L] Re: Guest Stars
[B7L] Dayna's music (was Mary Poppins on the Liberator)
Re: [B7L] EFDS
Re: [B7L] RPG Female Fans
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Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 20:15:46 -0800
From: Pat Patera <patpatera@netzero.net>
To: B7 Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Avon's Skills
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Andrew wrote:
>Top flight computer technician (hardware AND software).
>Confident at using hand guns.
>Aware of the need for background research.
>Able to pick computer based locks.
>Leadership.
>Passable pilot skills (but didn't think to land the shuttle)
>Grasp of physics required for teleportation.
>Any more ......
yes! how about:
master of stand up put downs
gambler (Gambit & The Big Wheel)
explorer ("I am curious")
archeologist (sophron rock)
electrician (Liberator cable repair)
engineer (sophron shield, detector shields)
mathamatician (doing calculations for The Tharn)
thespian (?) that delicious diction
but, erm... Leadership???
hahahahhahahahahahhahaaha
As the pirates said in "Assasin" he looks pretty and he talks pretty ...
but can he dance?
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Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 21:54:02 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
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Subject: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #79
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> >I was wondering if we think of ourselves, our 'being' (hope this
> > isn't too transcendental) as gendered. I'm not sure that I do.
>
> I remember that, while I was at university, whenever I counted the number
> of males/females present in a group (can't now think why I had to do this)
> I got it wrong because I counted myself in the male section. Think I've
> got used to being female now, but maybe I just needed another 20 years to
> sort it out.
>
I know where the two of you are coming from, but I also wonder how much
that has to do with certain of us simply refusing to 'fit in' the the
gender-pigeonholing that occurs in our society? I perferred male
role-models as a girl, by-in-large, because in the fiction I read and
movies I watched, men had more substance and depth. I definitely saw
myself more along the mental lines of a Doctor than a companion as a
teenager. So I saw myself as being mentally more masculine than feminine
(although I don't know that I tried to classify my brain's gender until
I read a bit about Jung's anima/animus theory). What I'm getting at is
many women may not think of themselves as feminine when society decrees
that females are illogical, social, nurturers and men are rational,
individualized, competitors.
How does this fit in with Blake's 7? Uh, oh, um...
Would Jenna think of herself as feminine? Sure, she likes pretty
clothes, but she tends to be competitive and agressive, and she must
have good science skills to pilot ships. Is gender classification
thought of in the same way during B7s time frame? Does Servalan dress
like *that* to prove she's feminine to herself or to others?
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Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 22:02:26 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: dnt smart Guy-- nitpick
Re: [B7L] Re: Resident Smart Guy
Re: [B7L] Re: Resident Smart Guy
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> Ah-hah. It did seem strange, the way Blake got to tell Jenna about space
> flight history. It would have been nice if she'd at least rolled her
> eyes in a sort of, "Here-he-goes-again- hasn't-he-noticed-I'm-a-pilot?"
> look.
>
> Ellynne
On principle, I'd want to agree, but in practice... how many people have
driver's liscences? Okay, out of them, how many people know that the
first steam powered vehicle was built in the 1700s? That there were
later experiments with steam powered automobiles, that there were speed
limits keeping these vehicles to speeds no greater than 3 or 4 mph in
the city and they were then to have someone walk in front of them with a
red flag to clear the way? Thanks to movies and TV shows set in the 20s,
most people know that early modern vehicles had to be started by turning
a crank handle. But would they know that if they weren't interested in
period stories?
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Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 22:10:39 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Mary Poppins/Avon
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> Nonono, not Vila. The two 'medics' on the ship, Cally and Gan (I wonder if
> Auron musical sense is as bad as Auron fashion sense???) They could even do
> a little dance (well, we all complain that these two don't have enough to
> do) around the medical unit - having strapped poor, sick Kerr down so he
> couldn't get up and *kill* them...
>
Bwahahahaha! Now THAT's what I call suffering-- beauty of, subject to
debate, hilariousness of, indisputable.
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Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 22:37:28 -0700
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Space Fall question
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> What made me go "huh?" was that his brother called him Avon.
So, Kerr Avon's an alias. This would also explain Anna's claim of
ignorance about what happened to him. Hearing constant news reports
about a Kerr Avon when she'd known an Avon Bjerregaard could lead to a
claim of confusion (how credible is another question, but that isn't the
issue).
And Tynus called him Kerr Avon because ... uh ... English was Tynus'
second language and Kerr meant something in it which is what gave Avon
the idea for the alias in the first place (see above credibility comment
).
Ellynne
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Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 22:29:07 -0700
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
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But horrified
> as he
> might be by her presence, I imagine Avon would go to great lengths
> to steal
> that bag (or, more likely, have Vila steal it) so he could *finally*
>
> investigate it *properly*.
>
There was a recent video release of an old kids show where the poor lad
who goes nosing around a magician's tools when he's not supposed to and
falls through a giant, bottomless top hat into the land of hat people.
Poor Vila might get swallowed into the land of walking luggage (and, as
there are no alcoholic beverages on those kind of shows, the poor dear
would suffer ... not so beautifully).
Ellynne
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Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 23:10:49 -0700
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
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Subject: Re: [B7L] Cally & Avon
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Just to clarify where I stand (this week) on Cally & Avon.
1) I don't think anything happened.
2) I think Cally was ready for things to progress between them. IMO, at
the end of Sarcophagus, I thought The Look she gave Avon reflected belief
/ knowledge (I'm not going to argue which) that Avon shared some of these
feelings but wasn't ready to deal with them. I think Cally felt
confident of the outcome at that point but also knew he wasn't ready and
needed some time and space.
3) I think they would have been good for each other. They had major
differences, but I saw them as potentially complementary rather than
destructive (I admit, _potentially_). Each of them could trust and rely
on the other in ways they could rely on few others. Besides that, they
_understood_ each other, there was a rapport Cally didn't have with
Tarrant and Avon didn't have with Dayna.
They each had a load of emotional wounds, but I also see this as
something they could have helped each other with. Cally was frequently
threatened by her lonliness - both the emotional burden and the very
literal threat that posed to a telepath. Avon, OTOH, takes solitude as a
strength. I think, on this point alone, picking up some othe the other's
attitude would have helped each of them.
But then, there's a limited number of regulars to imagine getting
together on B7, and we dyed in the wool romantics have to work with what
we've got (I know the there's a Soolin- Avon argument, but it just
doesn't work for me. I think I prefer opposites attracting or
something).
Ellynne
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Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 22:23:53 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
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> What made me go "huh?" was that his brother called him Avon. I thought that
> was supposed to be his family name... and wouldn't that mean that his
> brother had the same name? Yeah, I know, they could have been half-brothers
> and so on, but if they were close enough for Zen to yank the image out of
> Avon's mind, it seems to me that they would have been on first name terms.
> OTOH, maybe it's on the lines of Fox Mulder complaining that even his
> parents called him Mulder! I can't imagine too many people calling Avon,
> 'Kerr' and getting away with it.
>
I had just thought about this the other day. The line of thought began
with what was once mentioned, that Avon's sister was sometimes used in
Mary Sue stories rather than a love interest to get the writer-avatar
character close to Avon, but there was no canonical evidence for a
sister (well, there'd been no canonical evidence for Tarrant having a
brother up until the very episode of Deathwatch, so lack of evidence is
not evidence *against* the existence of a character).
But it occured to me. Avon's 'brother', who didn't look much like him
and addressed him by his last name, could refer to a _brother-in-law_!
It makes perfect sense; it is polite to refer to one's in-laws as a
relative, and in the case of brother-in-law/sister-in-law, the in-law
part is often left off if the parties get along. Avon had/has a sister
who married Amiyak, thus Amiyak is his 'brother', but calls him by his
last name.
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Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 22:29:47 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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A few people on this digest pointed out their computers automatically cc
responses to both list and poster. I hope I didn't come across too
strongly when I griped about getting a seperate copy. It's not the
inconvience that I mind; it's the feeling that I look a fool when
attempting to answer.
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Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 22:35:29 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] More B7 Blues
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Please picture the unplugged version of Layla for the music. Got that
Clapton guitar sound going in your head?
Dayna, you force men to their knees, Dayna.
They boarded my ship (to seize), Dayna.
(Blast!-- It's late. I've got to get ready for bed-- I'll try and do
the rest of this tomorrow)
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 08:08:05 +0100
From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Space Fall question
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Ariana wrote:
>What made me go "huh?" was that his brother called him Avon. I thought that
>was supposed to be his family name... and wouldn't that mean that his
>brother had the same name? Yeah, I know, they could have been half-brothers
>and so on, but if they were close enough for Zen to yank the image out of
>Avon's mind, it seems to me that they would have been on first name terms.
>OTOH, maybe it's on the lines of Fox Mulder complaining that even his
>parents called him Mulder! I can't imagine too many people calling Avon,
>'Kerr' and getting away with it.
Maybe the brother was a stammerer and couldn't get his tongue past the k of
Kerr. Imagine Avon's impatience with that kind of situation. An irritated
Avon, even as a child, can't have been easy to live with so the unfortunate
brother decided early on to avoid his first name. Once the pattern of
calling Avon by his surname was established, it was easy for others, like
Anna, to follow it.
Marian (who could go on for hours with this thread but has to dash off to
work now...)
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 18:45:46 +1100
From: Andrew Williams <AWilliams@daikin.com.au>
To: "'blakes7@lysator.liu.se'" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: Guest Stars
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Marian wrote:
>Now I'm getting visions of a crossover of B7 and Yes Minister.
There was one written called "Yes Madam President".
Andrew.
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 10:08:27 GMT
From: "Mat Shayde" <dorian17@hotmail.com>
To: Tigerm1019@aol.com, blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: B7 Characters in the TARDIS
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>From: Tigerm1019@aol.com
>To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
>Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: B7 Characters in the TARDIS (fairly off-topic)
>Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 19:21:01 EST
>
>>I never regarded No. 4 (T. Baker) as a Time Lord of particularly >>high
>>principles after the Pirate Planet, when he was only able to >>pick up
>>whichever segment of the Key of Time it was because the >>pirates had
>>compressed an entire planet into something the size of >>a cricket ball
>>and murdered its entire population in the process. >>OK, he did express
>>horror earlier on in the story, but seemed >>perfectly cheerful about
>>taking the ball home with him.
To be fair though, there was very little point in *not* taking it with him
by this point - the damage had been done. He had expressed moral outrage at
the Pirate Captain's activities earlier in the story, it would have been
unfeasable for him to have carried on expressing that outrage throughout the
entire story. You can bet that if the planet hadn't been previously
compressed when he arrived he would have endeavoured to find some way around
the problem, as indeed he did when....
>There was also the final segment of the Key, which was a human being.
>IIRC, he wasn't too concerned about the woman being turned into a component
>either.
>Romana was upset, but the Doctor wasn't.
>
>Tiger M
>
He was concerned about the fate of Princess Astra, which is why he created a
fake 6th segment to hold off the Black Guardian's forces (at considerable
risk to himself and Romana) rather than simply transmuting her there and
then. (Imagine how long she would have survived with Avon! Or Blake for that
matter.) Also he was able to tell that the Guardian he was talking to wasn't
the White Guardian due to his complete lack of concern for the Princess and
when the Doctor scattered the 6 segments again he instructed the 6th segment
to reform as Princess Astra. Hardly the behaviour of a man of low
principles! :)
Dorian - "You mean you're here by choice?"
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 02:19:59 PST
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
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Ariana wrote:
<What made me go "huh?" was that his brother called him Avon. I thought that
was supposed to be his family name... and wouldn't that mean that his
brother had the same name? Yeah, I know, they could have been half-brothers
and so on, but if they were close enough for Zen to yank the image out of
Avon's mind, it seems to me that they would have been on first name terms.>
'Tis odd, yes. Blake's relatives - and his rebel associates in TWB - call
him Roj. Tarrant's brother calls him Del, and so does Max, who barely knows
him. So for higher-grade men it appears the use of surnames is the norm but
not the rule. However, even Anna - the Love of Avon's Life - calls him Avon,
so it would appear that ABSOLUTELY no one uses Kerr.
My Theory (you all *knew* I'd have one, didn't you :-)) is that they were
half-brothers with different fathers (or whichever parent gives the
surname), and possibly orphaned at a young age and farmed out to different
branches of the family (this to explain the emotional barrenness that I can
imagine in his past). This would explain any formality in their
relationship, while allowing for young Avon (with no other immediate family,
poor baby) to develop a deep (and deeply hidden) attachment to the brother
he saw rarely, *and* explain some of his later deep reserve...
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 02:21:28 PST
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
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After I wrote of Jarriere:
<<he> should have been made a member of the crew immediately, or even given
his own show.>
Mistral agreed (Harriet - we may have a convert!)
<Amen, Sister. <snip> P.S. Although I'd rather see him as Avon than Blake>
But then you'd lose *our* Avon's reaction to the dear little man...after
all, Blake's got more patience and tolerance - even if he uses them somewhat
sparingly - than Snarly (this is not all that difficult, of course).
Actually, pairing up Soolin & Jarriere might be fun too...or Tarrant, or
Slave...no! I have it! 4th season, and Jarriere somehow gets control of
Orac!!!
<Would Blake like her, or would she make his teeth hurt too?>
I don’t know about like, but if he can put up with Avon & Vila on a bad day
(and Cally in her Mystical mode) he can put up with her all right...right up
until the moment she decided to tell *him* what to do. Oh dear oh dear oh
dear...
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 02:23:46 PST
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
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<Ah-hah. It did seem strange, the way Blake got to tell Jenna about space
flight history. It would have been nice if she'd at least rolled her eyes
in a sort of, "Here-he-goes-again- hasn't-he-noticed-I'm-a-pilot?" look.>
Actually, that didn't worry me in itself (the *way* he sometimes slips into
lecture mode and talks down to her a bit does). In Destiny, where it's an
old ship but in current use, he asks her for her input, and she knows what
it is. But just because someone in the here and now is a superb pilot
wouldn't mean they have the *slightest* interest in antique airplanes, and
the same in true of Jenna - she strikes me as a very pragmatic, here and now
person, and I can't see her taking any interest at all in 'the dead past',
or taking time to read up on long-gone technology just for the joy of
knowing <g>. So no, she probably wouldn't know about the antique that shows
up on the screen (after all, *she* asks *him* "what is it?" and "how old?" -
it's not like he assumes she doesn't know).
Blake on the other hand *is* interested in history and insatiably curious in
the bargain. So yes, he's more than likely to have read up on early space
flight, *just* for the joy of finding out about it. And he's known Jenna
long enough now to know that if it's not being used now, she wouldn't have
the info.
In 'Orac', Avon interrupts Blake straight after Blake remarks what a
remarkable man Ensor was, and *he* delivers a short lecture (something they
both enjoyed doing on occasion <g>) and what Blake actually tells Avon is
again what Avon would probably not know - Ensor's *personal* history (like
Jenna, Avon would not have ever studied up on something he had no interest
in - i e people).
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 02:25:14 PST
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
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Subject: [B7L] Cally & Avon
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As I've said before, I think their individual natures would have precluded
any deeper attachment than the (quite close, I admit it, mutter grumble)
friendship that was there.
But I do have to admit - much as it hurts - that she *is* the most likely
starter for an Avon/whoever romance; she has, if not the most complex mind
(none of them really have that) possibly the most unusual, the most likely
to interest him. And going on the few scraps of information we have, she's
*physically* more his type (slim and fragile-seeming but tough, like Anna
Grant) than the other four.
And he does like her - I have yet to really work out why, but I can't argue
with canon. With Jenna there's too much real antagonism (and there's her
firm fix on Blake <g>); with Dayna, there's the in loco parentis bit (he
does too treat her as an adopted or favoured neice, not something you build
grand passion on); with Soolin there's the layers of ice and wariness on
each side to get through (which would take longer than either of them would
have if they died of old age IMO. Pity, that.) None of them are really right
for him (and don't talk to *me* about Servalan either), but if one
absolutely, positively *has* to choose...
Sigh...
Mary Poppins it has to be.
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 10:34:50 GMT
From: "Mat Shayde" <dorian17@hotmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [B7L] Mary Poppins on the Liberator
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>From: "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
>To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
>Subject: Re: [B7L] Mary Poppins on the Liberator
>Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 08:49:34 EST
>
>
>
>>From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
>>Gan uses the Walkman-with-goggles in one of the episodes shown in the last
>>week, although it's not clear whether he's using it for music or some
>>other multi-media task, such as reading "The care and feeding of BOFHs".
>
>If that means what I think it means, that suggests that a certain character
>has a nice little high-security cage or hutch somewhere on the Liberator. I
>can see the snarl as Gan, Jenna and Blake stuff him back into the
>cage/hutch after he's been allowed to go walkies...
>
>Regards
>Joanne
And for those of us who haven't guessed...?
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 02:35:14 PST
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Fwd: Re: [B7L] Re: Guest Stars
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I'm sorry, the Dreaded Bug Struck again, I'm living on soporific cough
medicine, and a stray last thought got attached to the wrong post...
Please mentally delete everything after I suggested Jarriere in charge of
Orac.
Now.
*Nina* wrote of Mary Poppins:
<Would Blake like her, or would she make his teeth hurt too?>
And I reply to *that*...
<I don’t know about like, but if he can put up with Avon & Vila on a
bad day (and Cally in her Mystical mode) he can put up with her all
right...right up until the moment she decided to tell *him* what to
do. Oh dear oh dear oh dear...>
Make better sense?
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 10:32:07 -0000
From: "David A McIntee" <Master@allisurvey.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: B7 Characters in the TARDIS (fairly off-topic)
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> From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
> To: INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se
> Subject: [B7L] Re: B7 Characters in the TARDIS (fairly off-topic)
> Date: 22 March 2000 21:19
>
> Mat decided to
> >to team up the Master and Servalan - what a combination!
>
> As long as it's the divine Roger Delgado.
I already did that (sort of) in Face Of The Enemy- Kyle is clearly
described as looking like Jackie Pearce, and has a similar personality...
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 10:33:15 -0000
From: "David A McIntee" <Master@allisurvey.freeserve.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] List etiquette
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> From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
> Subject: [B7L] List etiquette
> Date: 22 March 2000 02:35
>
> > While we're on the subject of postings, isn't it a bit pointless to cc
a
> > Lyst post to an individual subscriber? I had a couple of those in my
inbox
> > this morning.
> >
> > Neil
>
> Pointless, and worse than pointless! Since I'm on the digest, I get the
> copy sent to me first.
On my mail system, hitting reply to author just sends it to the original
author - I have to hit reply all to get it to go the list, and often forget
to delete the original author...
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 10:55:11 GMT
From: "Mat Shayde" <dorian17@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #80
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>From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
>To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
>Subject: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #80
>Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 22:23:53 -0700
>
> > What made me go "huh?" was that his brother called him Avon. I thought
>that was supposed to be his family name <snip>
>I had just thought about this the other day. The line of thought began with
>what was once mentioned, that Avon's sister was sometimes used in Mary Sue
>stories rather than a love interest to get the writer-avatar character
>close to Avon, but there was no canonical evidence for a sister <snip>
>But it occured to me. Avon's 'brother', who didn't look much like him
>and addressed him by his last name, could refer to a _brother-in-law_! It
>makes perfect sense; it is polite to refer to one's in-laws as a relative,
>and in the case of brother-in-law/sister-in-law, the in-law part is often
>left off if the parties get along. Avon had/has a sister who married
>Amiyak, thus Amiyak is his 'brother', but calls him by his last name.
Hhhm, they would have had to have been very close then (no mean feat where
Avon is concerned) or else why didn't the defence system just call up an
image of Avon's sister rather than her husband?
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 11:14:12 GMT
From: "Mat Shayde" <dorian17@hotmail.com>
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>From: "David A McIntee" <Master@allisurvey.freeserve.co.uk>
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>Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 10:33:15 -0000
>
>----------
> > From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
> > To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
> > Subject: [B7L] List etiquette
> > Date: 22 March 2000 02:35
> >
> > > While we're on the subject of postings, isn't it a bit pointless to cc
>a Lyst post to an individual subscriber? I had a couple of those in my
>inbox
> > > this morning.
> > >
> > > Neil
> >
> > Pointless, and worse than pointless! Since I'm on the digest, I get the
>copy sent to me first.
>
>On my mail system, hitting reply to author just sends it to the >original
>author - I have to hit reply all to get it to go the list, >and often
>forget to delete the original author...
Same goes for me too I'm afraid. (Although I remembered on this one!)
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 11:17:39 GMT
From: "Mat Shayde" <dorian17@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: B7 Characters in the TARDIS (fairly off-topic)
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>From: "David A McIntee" <Master@allisurvey.freeserve.co.uk>
>To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
>Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: B7 Characters in the TARDIS (fairly off-topic)
>Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 10:32:07 -0000
>
>
>
>----------
> > From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
> > To: INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se
> > Subject: [B7L] Re: B7 Characters in the TARDIS (fairly off-topic)
> > Date: 22 March 2000 21:19
> >
> > Mat decided to
> > >to team up the Master and Servalan - what a combination!
> >
> > As long as it's the divine Roger Delgado.
>
>I already did that (sort of) in Face Of The Enemy- Kyle is clearly
>described as looking like Jackie Pearce, and has a similar personality...
True, and what a combo they made too! :) By the way - has anyone read
Shadows of Avalon? (BBC Dr Who book) The new (3rd) incarnation of Romana
sounds just like Jackie Pearce with her recent chin-length bob haircut. I
pictured her all the way through. (Don't know if this is what Paul Cornell
had in mind.)
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 13:29:08 +0000
From: Murray Smith <mjsmith@tcd.ie>
To: Lysator <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Cally & Avon
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Ellynne,
I'm an unabashed Avon/Cally romantic, and agree with your analysis of
things. There is some cannonical evidence that a romance between the two
would not have been surprising to at least one of the rest of the crew. In
'Voice from the Past', Blake persuaded Vila to release him by claiming that
Avon and Cally had restrained him because they had paired up due to
'Mutual affinities'. This had, explained Blake, 'been going on for some
time now'.
After Avon, Cally and Jenna are locked up, Vila angrily said that 'That'll
teach 'em to pair off on the quiet'. Vila was not stupid; so an Avon/Cally
romance was quite a reasonable concept to him, given what he knew about
them as people, i.e. their differences could be complementary.
Murray
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 10:03:37 -0500
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: Guest stars
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Susie wrote:
>It would be fun to see what would happen if Raiker
>survived and caught up with the Liberator crew later
>on and exacted some revenge.
Had this vague idea once that the career of Artix, the young flight officer
on the London, might have been permanently blighted by the events of Space
Fall, but wasn't sure whether this would push him towards fanatical desire
for revenge or halfhearted slide into rebellion.
And she added:
>"Bercol and Rontane" almost sounds like a comedy team.
Your career would definitely be blighted if Rontane found out you'd said
that. He's one of the most adorably slimy, scheming politicos I've ever
seen.
Harriet
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 04:56:15 -0800
From: mistral@ptinet.net
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Sally Manton wrote:
> Ariana wrote:
> <What made me go "huh?" was that his brother called him Avon.
> so it would appear that ABSOLUTELY no one uses Kerr.
His Mum does ;-)
> My Theory (you all *knew* I'd have one, didn't you :-))
Pssst. I've got one too! <waggles eyebrows> As flaky as all
the rest of my theories, to wit: Avon's parents' marriage contract
stipulated that, as his mother had no brothers, the second son
would carry on her family name. And his very hostile father,
for reasons I won't go into (you don't want to hear my whole
Unified Theory of Kerr Avon today, do you?) insisted on his
being called Avon. So little Kerr grew up with a constant reminder
that he was not *really* considered a Baggins (or whatever). Ouch!
Mistral
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 05:16:21 -0800
From: mistral@ptinet.net
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Sally Manton wrote:
> After I wrote of Jarriere:
> <<he> should have been made a member of the crew immediately, or even given
> his own show.>
>
> Mistral agreed (Harriet - we may have a convert!)
No conversion necessary--I adore the little dumpling. The
bits of Gambit that stand up to repeat viewing are the A-V
and the Servalan-Jarriere.
> <Amen, Sister. <snip> P.S. Although I'd rather see him as Avon than Blake>
>
> But then you'd lose *our* Avon's reaction to the dear little man...after
> all, Blake's got more patience and tolerance - even if he uses them somewhat
> sparingly - than Snarly (this is not all that difficult, of course).
Ah. I was thinking more of Harry Jones actually taking
the role of Avon; I can definitely see him snarling and
slinking and prancing through the role. If we're talking
about replacing a crewmember with *Jarriere*, then I
agree with you. (Particularly if we postulate that he
grew up next door to Avon and drove him nuts as a child.)
> Actually, pairing up Soolin & Jarriere might be fun too...or Tarrant, or
> Slave...no! I have it! 4th season, and Jarriere somehow gets control of
> Orac!!!
No, Jarriere gets control of the Federation in the 4th season.
Who do you think ousted Servalan? And Gauda Prime was
really a trap for Servalan, as Jarriere knew that she would
have to turn up to gloat over Avon. Of course, he gets Orac too...
Mistral
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 10:49:48 -0500
From: "Dana Shilling" <dshilling@worldnet.att.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Paranomasia
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I am puzzled by the lack of any canonical or fannish references to Quentin
Tarrantino, auteur of "Reservoir Teeth" (a film which ends with a lot of
people getting shot although it's not too clear by whom).
Which brings up a more serious question. Avon's predominant form of (non-)
communication is not so much the insult as the smart-ass remark. He is
perpetually saying things that he thinks are funny (although no one else
does). Vila is the other character to make verbal jokes, although I'm sure
caution would be required after planetfall on any planet where they sold
whoopie cushions and plastic vomit.
But people who think they're clever are notorious for puns and other
wordplay, an area in which B7 scripts are quite deficient. Not the only one,
mind.
-(Y)
"Seize the Perspex mines and the interior decoration of the Federation will
crumble"
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:18:26 -0000
From: Alison Page <alison_page@becta.org.uk>
To: "'blakes7@lysator.liu.se'" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Paranomasia
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>>I am puzzled by the lack of any canonical or fannish references to Quentin
Tarrantino, auteur of "Reservoir Teeth" (a film which ends with a lot of
people >>getting shot although it's not too clear by whom).
Ah, well you obviously haven't read my magnus opus 'Quarry Dogs', soon AFAIK
to be available in a fanfic mag not too far from this cinema.
Alison
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 10:54:03 -0500
From: "Dana Shilling" <dshilling@worldnet.att.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] EFDS
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I've been wondering what the original purpose of Liberator was supposed to
be (there's nothing I can't waste time thinking about when a deadline is
close enough; it's like opening any lock when you're scared enough). I have
concluded that it must have been the Experimental Fashion Delivery System
commissioned by Servalan as the universe's most technologically advanced
Versace, Christian Lacroix, and Jimmy Choo boutique. In Season 5 they would
have gotten into the room with the Philip Treacey hats (the ones the mutoids
didn't have already).
-(Y)
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 19:18:06 +0100
From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Guest Stars
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To my:
>>Now I'm getting visions of a crossover of B7 and Yes Minister.
Andrew Williams replied:
>There was one written called "Yes Madam President".
Where oh where can I find that?
Marian
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 13:15:17 -0600
From: Susan Moore <Susan.Moore@uni.edu>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Dayna's music (was Mary Poppins on the Liberator)
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Now I'm thinking of Dayna having something in common with Lister on Red Dwarf
(a stretch, I know). Imagine a jam session with the two of them!
Susan M.
> Sally Manton wrote about the crew and Dayna:
>
> >BTW, what happened to the instrument? My theory - some of the others
> >involved a little accident involving it and something large and heavy.
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 12:04:33 PST
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
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Dana Shilling wrote:
<I've been wondering what the original purpose of Liberator was supposed to
be (there's nothing I can't waste time thinking about when a deadline is
close enough; it's like opening any lock when you're scared enough). I have
concluded that it must have been the Experimental Fashion Delivery
System...>
No, the honest truth (truly and for real) is that it's the Ultimate Virtual
Reality machine. There *was* no Wardrobe or Treasure room when they came
aboard - Zen took from Jenna's mind her desperate desire for new clothes and
her taste for money (and more than a few things Avon had said on the matter)
and busily constructed those rooms while Our Heroes weren't looking...
Later, of course, he read Vila's mind and built a room with a still.
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:17:05 -0000
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] RPG Female Fans
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Dorian wrote:
> Pick up those dice and roll!! Get role-playing again, you know you want
to!
> :)
Yes, I do want to. But it ain't easy when you work evenings and Sundays.
> Oh, I quite like the system, the whole percentile thing makes it really
easy
> and smooth. (mind you I tend to gloss over the rolling in favour of just
> fixing results to get the plot bits I want. Naughty GM! Also roles are
more
> important than rules to me.)
Roles are obviously important, but I find they need (a) lashings of
background material and (b) players prepared to absorb it. Most players, in
my experience, don't want masses of world background, they just want to get
out there and kill things. Which is why I think there is a lot to be said
for using a background with which the players are familiar, so long as they
all interpret it in roughly the same way. But B7 is open to more individual
interpretation than most F/SF backgrounds (far more so than say Star Wars or
Star Trek) which makes it harder to use as a rolegame setting.
Rules I come down heavily in favour of. I think they should always be
there, if only as something to resort to. My own system is definitely
'rules heavy', though it's really a few standard procedures that can be
applied in many different ways. I certainly don't like ruleless freispiel
as I don't think that many GMs can adjudicate fairly and reasonably on a lot
of the situations that come up in a rolegame session. Suppose someone falls
out of a 5th floor window? Is s/he killed outright, or does s/he survive
with nothing more than a few bruises? Any freispiel decision is going to be
open to accusations of favouritism or victimisation (or both at the same
time), whereas recourse to rules passes the buck onto an independent
authority (the dice) which can be viewed by all parties as neutral.
> I found the generation system ok (if a bit
> complicated to explain to new players) it creates interesting characters
> without producing super-characters.
It also fails to discriminate between young and old characters (the latter
should have lots more skills), and entails lots of points allocation,
time-consuming min-maxing etc. I knocked up a far more streamlined version
that better reflects professional background and takes age into account.
> That's why I didn't want to use established characters. No matter how good
a
> role-player you are it is always more difficult to re-create someone elses
> character than to play one of your own. (I remember a disasterous Dr Who
> game I played in where I played a 4th Dr that bore absolutely NO
> resemblance to Tom Baker!!) I might have a couple of series characters
turn
> up (I've already used Avalon) but not in major roles. Except maybe Zen.
:)
The one time I played in a Dr Who game I was a companion (the GM was the
Time Lord), so I created a teenage prostitute. Not even half the challenge
this might seem, since she only had to be a BBC version, nothing like the
real thing (which I knew would be beyond me). So I played the
fallen-waif-with-heart-of-gold to the hilt.
> true the Star Wars system is cool. I've played in that as well, I was a
Jedi
> trainee, however my group of rebels was too nice. We even stunned soem
> Stormtroopers once rather than killing them!
Whereas my bounty hunter (Lin Lithgow by name), after half an hour in the
forests of Endor, was thinking of starting up a legit sideline in the fur
trade.
Neil
"I am not a man, I am a free number."
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