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blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 83
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L] Avon and That Image (was: Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #80)
[B7L] Avon's Name
Re: [B7L] Cally & Avon
Re: [B7L] RPG Female Fans
Re: [B7L] Paranomasia
Re: [B7L] Space Fall Question
[B7L] Names
Re: [B7L] RPG Female Fans
Re: [B7L] Avon and That Image (was: Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #80)
Re: [B7L] Space Fall Question
Re: [B7L] Mary Poppins on the Liberator
Re: [B7L] Avon and That Image (was: Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #80)
Re: [B7L] RPG Female Fans
Re: [B7L] Space Fall Question
Re: [B7L] EFDS
[B7L] Volcano question
Re: [B7L] Volcano question
Re: [B7L] Volcano question
Re: [B7L] Cally & Avon
Re: [B7L] Cally & Avon
Re: [B7L] horizon
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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:23:22 PST
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon and That Image (was: Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #80)
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Erica asked:
<I've always wondered why it didn't call up an image of the person
supposedly dearest to Avon's heart, ie Anna Grant?>
Ellyne gives possibilities 1-4...
And I'll offer no 5 - the obvious one, I guess. Yes, he loved Anna. He
actually loved The Brother, dead or alive, more.
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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:24:29 PST
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
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Subject: [B7L] Avon's Name
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My Second Theory...
Kerr *is* an alias. His parents were from the Secret (But Not Very Sensible)
Order of Secular Puritans and his real name is Jehoiakerr Melchizedek Ram
Oneisiphorous Be-courteous Avon.
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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 07:58:06 +0000
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: b7 <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Cally & Avon
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In message <004501bf9510$afaf9b80$22ed07c3@ariana>, Ariana
<ariana@ndirect.co.uk> writes
>((Phew. That was a lucky escape. Let's see what Curly is getting so het up
>about. At least I can trust *him* not to come on to me!))
>
"Or come on me."
>
>Well, I could probably have done better, but I need to go and have dinner
>now. :)
That's all right, *I* liked it.
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 07:55:44 +0000
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: b7 <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] RPG Female Fans
Message-ID: <waefdPAA+x24Ew$y@jajones.demon.co.uk>
In message <014401bf9506$678253c0$e535fea9@neilfaulkner>, Neil Faulkner
<N.Faulkner@tesco.net> writes
>I certainly don't like ruleless freispiel
>as I don't think that many GMs can adjudicate fairly and reasonably on a lot
>of the situations that come up in a rolegame session.
The GM is supposed to adjudicate fairly and reasonably? Oh well, there
go the plans for a B7 Paranoia session at Redemption...
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 07:53:17 +0000
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: b7 <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Paranomasia
Message-ID: <0KVepJAt7x24EweV@jajones.demon.co.uk>
In message <001401bf94e0$afd63720$63684e0c@dshilling>, Dana Shilling
<dshilling@worldnet.att.net> writes
>I am puzzled by the lack of any canonical or fannish references to Quentin
>Tarrantino, auteur of "Reservoir Teeth" (a film which ends with a lot of
>people getting shot although it's not too clear by whom).
That's very simple. Check the copyright date on B7...
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 22:56:38 +0000
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: b7 <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Space Fall Question
Message-ID: <trWbPGAmK$24Ewf5@jajones.demon.co.uk>
In message <003201bf959c$a5164480$6b694e0c@dshilling>, Dana Shilling
<dshilling@worldnet.att.net> writes
>Avon must have a full brother, and either another brother or a
>sister...couldn't be a middle child otherwise.
Why is it necessary for him to be a middle child?
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 18:12:05 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Names
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> Rosie O'Donnell, a comedian who has a daytime talk show, has three adopted
> children. She mentioned on a broadcast that her youngest son was named
> "Travis" for three days, until she decided he didn't really _look_ like a
> Travis. She changed his name to Blake. (I kid you not.)
>
> Carolyn
Had both eyes, did he?
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Date: 25 Mar 2000 06:48:09 +0100
From: Calle Dybedahl <calle@lysator.liu.se>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] RPG Female Fans
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>>>>> "Julia" == Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk> writes:
> The GM is supposed to adjudicate fairly and reasonably? Oh well, there
> go the plans for a B7 Paranoia session at Redemption...
I don't think Paranoia is Neil's sort of game. He said he doesn't like
ruleless freeform games, and the 'Noia rulebook specifically says "all
rules are optional". They also encourage the GM to judge actions not
according to what is sensible or fair, but according to what is
entertaining.
But we never get any players for the Paranoia game anyway...
--
Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | calle@lysator.liu.se
Try again. Try harder. -*- Fail again. Fail better.
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Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 06:53:44 -0000
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon and That Image (was: Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #80)
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Sally wrote:
> Ellyne gives possibilities 1-4...
>
> And I'll offer no 5 - the obvious one, I guess. Yes, he loved Anna. He
> actually loved The Brother, dead or alive, more.
Whereas I automatically went for Option 6 - Terry Nation hadn't thought
about Anna Grant yet. Really really obvious, even if it doesn't play the
game.
Neil
"I am not a man, I am a free number."
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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 22:53:48 -0800
From: mistral@ptinet.net
To: B7 List <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Space Fall Question
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Dana Shilling wrote:
> By a similar process of deduction, we can place his birthday within a
> month (obvious enough to name a spaceship after)--third week in October to
> third week in November.
At best you have a case for *Dorian's* birthday, or his partner's.
Avon didn't name the planethopper.
And as Julia said, why should Avon be a middle child? AFAIK
there's no such indication in canon, and he certainly doesn't have
the usual middle-child characteristics (mediation, etc.)
> As I was pondering why my keyboard has a full-size Caps Lock key, and what
> idiot put it THERE, several B7 macros came to mind:
> Vila: [BRK]-[ENTR]
LOL! Very good.
Mistral
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"Consider it an adventure."--Galen, 'Crusade'
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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 23:26:29 -0800
From: mistral@ptinet.net
To: B7 List <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Mary Poppins on the Liberator
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Ellynne wrote, re Dayna's lyre-playing:
> Maybe it's just that I have trouble seeing that kind of patience in
> Dayna. Unless it involves blowing things up. But then, she hasn't had
> much chance to indulge her nonviolent side since meeting Avon.
Different instruments can take radically different amounts of
time to master. Dayna's lyre would actually not be one of the
more difficult ones. Lots of teens teach themselves guitar
(roughly the same degree of difficulty.) Most of them don't turn
into Clapton or SRV, but you can play *hundreds* of songs with
only three chords. I'd conjecture Dayna taught herself (or was
taught) in late childhood or early teens, before she was allowed
to spend much time outside, then set it aside when she got more
options. Then during a quiet spell on Liberator, she could have
picked it up again out of a sense of nostalgia or homesickness
(which would square with the lyrics of the song.)
Mistral
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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 23:08:42 -0800
From: mistral@ptinet.net
To: B7 List <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon and That Image (was: Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #80)
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Neil wrote:
> Whereas I automatically went for Option 6 - Terry Nation hadn't thought
> about Anna Grant yet. Really really obvious, even if it doesn't play the
> game.
<sigh> I'm afraid now we have to take away all the points you
earned with your rather nice 'why his brother calls him Avon' answer.
Mistral
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"Consider it an adventure."--Galen, 'Crusade'
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Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 08:09:35 +0000
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] RPG Female Fans
Message-ID: <dcA08AA$QH34EwST@jajones.demon.co.uk>
In message <86aejnmwh2.fsf@tezcatlipoca.algonet.se>, Calle Dybedahl
<calle@lysator.liu.se> writes
>But we never get any players for the Paranoia game anyway...
Maybe we should unbend on the "formless and ruleless" enough to book a
slot on the timetable. Have you written a B7 scenario yet?
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 08:11:13 +0000
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: B7 List <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Space Fall Question
Message-ID: <e830EFAhSH34EwR4@jajones.demon.co.uk>
In message <38DC627B.F3C1678C@ptinet.net>, mistral@ptinet.net writes
>At best you have a case for *Dorian's* birthday, or his partner's.
>Avon didn't name the planethopper.
And it's not even a case for a birthday. Could equally well be Dorian
saying the ship has a hidden sting in the tail.
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 10:56:18 +0100
From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] EFDS
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Sally Manton wrote:
>There *was* no Wardrobe or Treasure room when they came
>aboard - Zen took from Jenna's mind her desperate desire for new clothes
and
>her taste for money (and more than a few things Avon had said on the
matter)
>and busily constructed those rooms while Our Heroes weren't looking...
>
>Later, of course, he read Vila's mind and built a room with a still.
So now we know where Vila got his booze from :-)
Marian
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Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 11:34:45 +0100
From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Volcano question
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I know Volcano isn't everyone's favourite :-) but I quite like it,
especially the bit where Avon tricks Mori with his 'guided tour' while in
reality he's instructing Zen. (Marian's Rule Number One: Avon is always at
his best with his back to the wall.)
But there's one thing I don't understand. When Dayna and Tarrant fail to
make contact and Cally suggests calling them, Avon tells her about the beam
approach detector. To Cally's question why he didn't mention it at the
time, he says he wasn't sure. Then she says: "That wasn't the reason." To
which he replies, rather grimly: "No it wasn't." Like poor Vila I'm totally
in the dark about this. Can anyone explain what is going on?
(Excuses to those list members I've already pestered with this question.
It's just that, like Avon, I don't like unsolved mysteries.) :-)
Marian
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Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 03:07:43 -0800
From: mistral@ptinet.net
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Marian de Haan wrote:
> I know Volcano isn't everyone's favourite :-) but I quite like it,
Marian! You just made my day :) :) :)
Volcano is my favourite ep for introducing a non-SF fan to B7,
because of the marvelous A-V. Then follow that with City. By
that time, they're into the characters and will sit through the
(IMHO) rather shaky early first series.
> But there's one thing I don't understand. When Dayna and Tarrant fail to
> make contact and Cally suggests calling them, Avon tells her about the beam
> approach detector. To Cally's question why he didn't mention it at the
> time, he says he wasn't sure. Then she says: "That wasn't the reason." To
> which he replies, rather grimly: "No it wasn't." Like poor Vila I'm totally
> in the dark about this. Can anyone explain what is going on?
Avon has sent his younglings out for bait. Dayna and Tarrant
have yet to prove themselves, and he's not willing to risk Cally
and Vila and the ship, so Dayna and Tarrant have got to make
it on their own. Or not. If they succeed, they've earned their
place; if not, he hasn't got the resources to help them. And he
doesn't like it. But it's not up for discussion. Hence the grim.
Just IMHO,
Mistral
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"Consider it an adventure."--Galen, 'Crusade'
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Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 04:37:57 -0800
From: mistral@ptinet.net
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Addendum to previous post; just realised I've been a bit
unclear about the beam approach detector. Its presence
indicates that the Pyroans may be less friendly than Dayna
believes; it raises the risk level of the mission. If Avon had
mentioned it, Tarrant and Dayna might have refused to go,
or Cally might have objected to sending them. So he kept
quiet about the additional risk factor, as he did in Stardrive.
Again just IMHO,
Mistral
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"Consider it an adventure."--Galen, 'Crusade'
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Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 06:25:29 -0800
From: mistral@ptinet.net
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Subject: Re: [B7L] Cally & Avon
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Ellynne wrote:
> 3) I think they would have been good for each other. They had major
> differences, but I saw them as potentially complementary rather than
> destructive (I admit, _potentially_). Each of them could trust and rely
> on the other in ways they could rely on few others. Besides that, they
> _understood_ each other, there was a rapport Cally didn't have with
> Tarrant and Avon didn't have with Dayna.
>
> They each had a load of emotional wounds, but I also see this as
> something they could have helped each other with. Cally was frequently
> threatened by her lonliness - both the emotional burden and the very
> literal threat that posed to a telepath. Avon, OTOH, takes solitude as a
> strength. I think, on this point alone, picking up some othe the other's
> attitude would have helped each of them.
>
> But then, there's a limited number of regulars to imagine getting
> together on B7, and we dyed in the wool romantics have to work with what
> we've got (I know the there's a Soolin- Avon argument, but it just
> doesn't work for me. I think I prefer opposites attracting or
> something).
<g> I've inferred that this is exactly the usual rationale for A/C;
which is why I can't see it at all. Yes, opposites do attract. Then
they usually try to change each other to be like themselves (what
Keirsey calls, IIRC, the Pygmalion Project). If the differences are
superficial, that may work. Avon and Cally, however, have
diametrically opposing world views. Yes, I can see Cally thinking
exactly what you've described above. What I cannot see is Avon
putting up with it.
Now, if you want to talk couples who'd be good for each other,
what springs to my mind is Cally/Vila...
Mistral
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"Consider it an adventure."--Galen, 'Crusade'
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Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 08:33:48 -0800
From: mistral@ptinet.net
To: B7 List <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Cally & Avon
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Sally Manton wrote:
> And going on the few scraps of information we have, she's
> *physically* more his type (slim and fragile-seeming but tough, like Anna
> Grant) than the other four.
Eh? I believe you're overlooking a couple of things on this.
First off, Cally is long and angular, Anna compact and slim
but well-proportioned, Soolin compact and curvy. I'd say
Anna's as close or closer to Soolin's build as Cally's. Second,
we know that Avon considers Soolin his type physically--he
as much as says so in Rescue. He never makes such a
directly complimentary statement about the attractiveness
of any of the other characters.
> with Soolin there's the layers of ice and wariness on
> each side to get through (which would take longer than either of them would
> have if they died of old age IMO. Pity, that.)
But isn't it a fanfic staple to put characters through the wringer
to get them to make or acknowledge emotional connections? All
you need to do is get Soolin (yes, it has to be Soolin) to make the
first move. There's enough evidence in Headhunter all by itself
to indicate that she's not indifferent to Avon's well-being. She
doesn't show quite as much concern over the nearly-dead Tarrant
and Vila as she does over Avon being shocked and knocked
unconscious. Perhaps Soolin is as vulnerable to Beautiful
Suffering as the next gal...
> Sigh...
>
> Mary Poppins it has to be.
Wrong story ;-) Try Peter Pan!
C'mon, Sally. Clap your hands together and say, "I do believe
in Soolin, I do believe in Soolin!" You can do it if you try!!!
Mistral
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"You just ain't looking right."--Worm, Labyrinth
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Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 09:56:42 +0100
From: "Julie Horner" <jihorner@dial.pipex.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] horizon
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From: "Emily Darby" <emilydarby@yahoo.co.uk>
> what does everyone else think of the Horizon latest
> newsletter ?
I think perhaps you are judging it unfairly by comparing
this latest (free) offering with the usual glossy production.
The production quality and content of that are (IMHO) quite
excellent for the price and given that it is a fan production.
Compared to the pathetic offerings my husband received
from a fan organization he briefly joined, even issue 39.5
seems like a glossy magazine.
Over a year between newsletters IS a frustrating time to
wait but there do seem to be good reasons for that. You
complain that it is full of excuses and apologies - would you
rather there was no excuse and no apology?
I found that most of the news in 39.5 seemed like old news
but that is probably because I am online and picked most
of it up from this list and other websites. But for fans who
don not have access to the Internet (there must be some),
then even this issue may have seemed packed with content.
I think the fact that issue 39.5 came out at all shows that they
do still care and are trying to show that there is somebody out there.
Julie
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