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blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 85
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L] collectors lot
Re: [B7L] horizon
Re: [B7L] Avon's Name
Soolin & Avon (was Re: [B7L] Cally & Avon)
Re: [B7L] Cally & Avon
[B7L] Cally & Vila
Re: [B7L] Re: Guest Stars
Re: [B7L] Re: Guest Stars
Re: [B7L] Horizon
Re: [B7L] Avon and That Image
Re: Soolin & Avon (was Re: [B7L] Cally & Avon)
Re: [B7L] Volcano question
Re: [B7L] Horizon
Re: [B7L] Volcano question
Re: [B7L] Cally & Avon
Re: [B7L] horizon
RE: [B7L] Avon and That Image
RE: [B7L] First Impressions: "Seek-Locate-Destroy"
RE: [B7L] RPG Female Fans
RE: [B7L] Avon drool
Re: [B7L] Cally & Avon
[B7L] Horizon 1.5
RE: [B7L] horizon
Re: [B7L] Horizon 1.5
Re: [B7L] Horizon 1.5
Re: [B7L] Horizon 1.5
[B7L] Horizon 1.6
[B7L] Horizon 1.7
[B7L] Horizon 1.8
Re: [B7L] Horizon 1.5
Re: [B7L] horizon
Re: [B7L] Avon and That Image
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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 12:49:20 GMT
From: "Mat Shayde" <dorian17@hotmail.com>
To: emilydarby@yahoo.co.uk, blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] collectors lot
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>From: Emily Darby <emilydarby@yahoo.co.uk>
>To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
>Subject: [B7L] collectors lot
>Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 19:44:30 +0000 (GMT)
>
>Hi
>
>I was just browsing around Judith's site on the net
>whilst i had a spare half hour and i cam accross the
>pictures from the upcoming colectors lot on channel 4
>it looks like it is going to be a superb programme
>
>it is an impressive collection and what a fantastic
>set, i was bowled over by it at deliverance and it
>looks even better (if that's possible!)
>
>I shall look forward to watching it next week
>
>Emily
Sounds good to me Emily - when's it on? It's good to see someone drawing
attention to Blake's 7. Shame the BBC haven't advertised the repeats! :)
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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 13:02:17 GMT
From: "Mat Shayde" <dorian17@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] horizon
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>Hi
>
>what does everyone else think of the Horizon latest
>newsletter ?
>
>I am seriuosly thinking of cancelling my subscription
I failed to renew mine about two years ago (that's about 2 issues in
'Horizon time') 'cause I just wasn't impressed with it any more. It seemed
to be little more than a forum for the committee's opinions and
self-congratualtory in-group messages and stuff. I also found the editorial
voice begining to grate more than a little, the constant interuptions to the
Letters of Comment section just used to drive me mad. Having seen the last
proper issue (which looked fabulous) I began to regret this decision,
however after seeing a friend's copy of the frankly shameful 39.5 I'm very
glad I didn't waste my money.
>I wonder if it is time they just gave up, it seems to
>me that no one cares about it anymore ,it is full of
>exuses and apologies
>Okay i know everyone runs these things in spare time
>,i know i have precious little of it myself
I'm afraid that isn't much of an excuse - if you are going to set out to do
something like this and you get people to pay money for the finished product
then you must make the effort.
Besides, some friends of mine, all of whom have very demanding jobs (one
works at least 12 hours a day six days a week) managed to organise and run a
highly enjoyable, profitable and successful Star Wars Convention for a local
charity. Surely the Horizon Committee can manage to edit and produce a
quarterly newsletter?
but nearly
>2 years for the Con videos from Deliverance 98 is
>dreadful (yeah i know i've read all the exuses in the
>newsletter and the mailshot!)
Hhhm, the convention videos! Well all I remember is being told to turn my
camcorder off at Deliverance as there was going to be a professionally
produced video sold for charity. I was dubious at the time, both that the
video would ever appear and that they would include what I considered to be
the best bits. Two years on and my cynicism hasn't abated. I'm just glad
that I never put down a deposit for the videos. One wonders how Horizon is
planning on spending the interest that those deposits have accrued...
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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 13:07:38 GMT
From: "Mat Shayde" <dorian17@hotmail.com>
To: smanton@hotmail.com, blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon's Name
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>From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
>To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
>Subject: [B7L] Avon's Name
>Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:24:29 PST
>
>My Second Theory...
>
>Kerr *is* an alias. His parents were from the Secret (But Not Very
>Sensible)
>Order of Secular Puritans and his real name is Jehoiakerr Melchizedek Ram
>Oneisiphorous Be-courteous Avon.
Have your tablets kicked in yet Sally? :)
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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 05:50:35 -0800
From: mistral@ptinet.net
To: B7 List <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Soolin & Avon (was Re: [B7L] Cally & Avon)
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Sally Manton wrote:
> <Second, we know that Avon considers Soolin his type physically--he as much
> as says so in Rescue.>
>
> He does acknowledge that she's beautiful, yes. It's not quite the same
> thing…
Actually what he says is Dorian's taste in wine and women is
impeccable. Not able to be faulted. This on acquaintance of two
or three minutes. All he's got to go on are her looks, her bearing,
and her gun skills. Add that to the fact that he's responding to a
general question, *not* one about Soolin, and I'd say that smacks
of *personal* impact. It's a far cry from 'not bad if you like that type'.
> Oh, I agree that the first move would have to come from Soolin (and I agree
> about the Beautiful Suffering ;-) but you knew I would, didn't you?)
Would I use your weaknesses to tempt you? <eg>
> The
> problem is that neither of them is anywhere near thawed as we leave them…
PGPs.
> as
> witnessed by
> [a] his (admittedly brief) reaction in Warlord, where she appeared to turn
> on him - that one cold, wary, mocking look (and yes, I do think he believed
> it in that moment). It's a lot like his first reaction to Tynus's - and
> nothing like that for Anna or Blake;
Love that bit. Yes, he believed it IMO; but he got over it quickly,
he was ready for her move. Interesting that you should bring up
Tynus--we rarely discuss him, but I think he's an important link
in the chain leading to Gauda Prime. Avon refers to crewmembers
as friends indirectly; but IIRC Tynus is the only person Avon ever
directly says is his friend. Avon was shocked, angry, hurt by his
betrayal, IMO. Certainly not to the extent that he was hurt by
Anna and Blake--but you wouldn't expect that; he loved them.
However, the fact that he reacts to Soolin's perceived betrayal
in a manner similar to Tynus's would indicate to me that he had
moved into the beginnings of trust; it's nothing like the manner
in which he reacted to, say, Farren.
> [b] his indifference to her reaction to the mention of Gauda Prime;
> [c] that sharp "I really could be quite annoyed…" comment on Gauda Prime.
<g> You know perfectly well that he didn't care about anything in
that ep except getting to Blake. And Soolin was on edge about
being on GP; it's the only thing that accounts for her sudden change
of character throughout the entire second half.
> There are good things about their partnership - he's comfortable with her,
> he understands the way her mind works (though he shows little interest in
> her mind as such, one of my prerequisites for him *taking* a personal
> interest in someone),
Mm. I don't see any indication he was interested in Anna's mind.
OTOH, if that's what you want... If you can get Soolin to make
the first move, it'd be enough of a shock to Avon that he'd be
wondering about it for months... by which time he'd be hooked :)
Beyond that, I think having a close relationship with a woman that
actually understood him would be an enormous relief.
> <C'mon, Sally. Clap your hands together and say, "I do believe in Soolin, I
> do believe in Soolin!" You can do it if you try!!!>
>
> Actually, I *want* to, Mistral, truly…
With your imagination, that's half the battle!!
> (And I do agree with Jan Chappell that Blake is more Cally's sort than
> Avon is. Cally clearly does not agree, mutter grumble).
OTOH, it wasn't Avon she called for when she died...
> But then, look at it this way. Avon does IMO have absolutely AWFUL taste in
> women (Anna, Servalan), nearly as bad as Tarrant's (Piri, Servalan, Zeeona).
> Soolin is probably too - too - what is the word - un-absolutely-awful to
> take either of their fancy…
An intelligent man can adapt...
--
"Anything's possible when you're as insane as I obviously am."--Soolin
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Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 14:21:03 -0700
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Cally & Avon
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On Sat, 25 Mar 2000 06:25:29 -0800 mistral@ptinet.net writes:
>
> <g> I've inferred that this is exactly the usual rationale for A/C;
> which is why I can't see it at all. Yes, opposites do attract. Then
> they usually try to change each other to be like themselves (what
> Keirsey calls, IIRC, the Pygmalion Project). If the differences are
> superficial, that may work. Avon and Cally, however, have
> diametrically opposing world views. Yes, I can see Cally thinking
> exactly what you've described above. What I cannot see is Avon
> putting up with it.
While I realize Cally has voiced her frustrations with Avon and various
problems of his, I don't see her as harboring silly fantasies about him
changing.
OTOH, I do want Avon to change. Or, rather, I want Avon to finally
develop some positive coping skills for that huge load of baggage he
carries around with him. While it might be best (if only for the
innocent bystanders) if he did this before he and Cally wound up getting
too serious, I can't help thinking just admitting (however grudgingly)
that there was a person among the living who he actually cared about
would be a step in the right direction. Also, this would mean Avon
letting down his famous emotional guard. Admitting (if only to himself)
that he trusted another person and felt safe enough around them to act on
it would be another big improvement, IMHO.
But then, I don't see their world views as so dramatically different,
especially if (and it's a big if) he was in an environment he felt safe
in. If he ever could get away from the war with the Federation and have
neighbors (who he wouldn't particularly care for [we're not talking
miracles here]) who he wouldn't suspect of plotting to slit his throat in
the middle of the night and who he might actually believe were the kind
of people to make a reasonable effort at helping in a crisis (even if it
was only to loan you a bucket if your house was burning down), he and
Cally could coexist a lot more comfortably.
Besides, I think whatever misery Cally and Avon might have together is a
lot better than the misery they put themselves through apart.
This, for me, is part of the problem I see in Avon and Soolin. Two
people with similar diseases and similar mistreatment. Putting them
together seems like taking the wounded of the Crimean war and sticking
them in a cholera epidemic (which, since it happened, I'm sure I don't
have to explain the end result of, especially if Florence Nightingale is
replaced with a certain hired gun).
Ellynne
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Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 14:45:31 -0700
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Cally & Vila
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Now, if you want to talk couples who'd be good for each other,
> what springs to my mind is Cally/Vila...
Erp!
OK, I realize this is all a matter of personal opinion, but not while I'm
eating, all right?
Reasons I can't see Cally and Vila happening in a million years (and
that's the exptreme, conservative estimate. Ever, in all eternity, in
any reality, under any circumstances, even if he were the last humanoid
male in the B7 or any other universe being a little closer to what I'm
really thinking).
1) She'd walk all over him. When it comes to theft and survival, Vila's
passive/aggressive. When it comes to anything else, he's just passive.
If Cally wanted to see movie A and Vila wanted to see movie B, they'd see
movie A. If she wanted to go to the fast food place that always gave
Vila heartburn, that's where they'd go. Any opinion Cally gave, he'd
agree with. And it wouldn't be because she was trying. Vila just
immediately caves to any perceived threat - such as fear of offending the
woman he was interested in.
2) OTOH, Vila would promise not to drink, then drink. Vila would promise
not to steal, then steal. He'd also promise to stop oggling other
females (both real and photographic) and give up gambling - with the same
success rate.
3) She'd have to put up with his jokes.
4) She'd have to respect him as an equal.
5) She'd have to have conversations in him.
Kerril (or however she spelled her name) was much more his type. There's
a long list of criminal and otherwise questionable behavior that wouldn't
bother her. She actually thought he _was_ funny. If he did something
he'd promised not to, she'd just get back at him instead of analyzing the
relationship. She'd also probably enjoy long conversations about how to
crack a safe or break into impervable security vaults. Besides, she
drinks (don't tell me anyone sober _and_ nonpsychopathic worked for
Bayben).
But that's JMHO.
Ellynne
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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 16:01:50 GMT
From: "Mat Shayde" <dorian17@hotmail.com>
To: Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com, blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Guest Stars
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>From: "Andrew Ellis" <Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com>
>To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
>Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Guest Stars
>Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 21:08:23 -0000
>
>I said....
>
>
> >Weeelll, we didn't actually SEE Raiker die.
> >>HE insights a revolt on the return to Earth with the more mercenary of
>the
> >>crew and becomes a renegade as well, with four objectives. 1) Become
>rich.
> >>2) Humiliate Avon 3) Kill Blake.
>
>To which Mat Shayde asked...
> >and the 4th objective would be? :)
>
>
>For Mat, and anybody else for whom this was too subtle.
There's a difference between subtle and obscure Andrew. :)
I'm afraid it didn't look subtle, it just looked like you had missed the 4th
objective out.
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Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 13:55:35 -0700
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Guest Stars
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On Fri, 24 Mar 2000 21:08:23 -0000 "Andrew Ellis"
<Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com> writes:
> But going back to the main point. We didn't SEE Raiker die. So if
> you want
> to bring him back, it would be somewhat easier than bringing Blake
> back from
> GP.
Except that there are more people known to survive gun wounds than there
are people who have survived being in a vacuum without a helmet. There
are also more ways of appearing to have died of gun wounds than there are
of appearing to die in a vacuum without a helmet.
That's not a criticism, just an acknowledgement of the need to be really
clever (or, at least, _very_ determined). So, here's how some other
writers did it.
1) Years ago, I came across a thing saying you couldn't survive more than
ten seconds in space. This was used in at least one fairly cheesey story
to get the hero (apparently dead at the end of part one) out alive (but
not until the villain had been celebrating for some time in part two [ten
seconds being very relative in some texts]).
Unfortunately, the story completely ignore the physical damage that would
have been taking place in the ten seconds. But, B7 medicine has never
been fully explored, so Raiker may have been well on the road to
recovery.
2) In 3001, it was pointed out how dying in a vacuum is a lot like freeze
drying which is a lot like suspended animation which ought to make it
perfectly possible to bring him back (this also allows Raiker to drift
through space for years till the right alien civilization finds him, for
those who want to go that way).
3) Space suits with force field helmets (if Heinlein and Lucas can do it
[Empire Strikes Back (how else do you explain it?)] ....). The only
problem is I'm always wary of assuming the Federation has any nice toys
of this calibre.
4) The Agatha Christie solution: Raiker didn't die, but he either had
been waiting to fake his own death or used the crisis to kill someone
else (probably killed them during the revolt, planning to claim the
prisoners did it, only to have that fall apart when Vila handed over the
gun, making it impossible to claim armed prisoners had been in anything
close to the right place at the right time. Once it became clear they
were dealing with a ship with some kind of death trap, he was all ready
to make it look like the dead guy (hereafter referred to as N. E. Body)
had gone over, but the captain decided against sending more crew.
Raiker was ready for Blake to make some attempt at taking the Liberator
(or making some move Raiker could interpret as taking the Liberator so he
could rush over). Then it was simply a matter of either taking advantage
of the speed at which events occurred to make sure no one could actually
swear later that only _one_ man had run into the tube or perhaps taking
advantage of Federation prison ship safety policies requiring someone
either be in the tube or working outside it during these transitions
(outside would be better, from Raiker's POV, since it gives him a better
alibi). It may also have been possible to later claim it was Body who
ran out, not Raiker (trickier, but Agatha Christie could have done it).
The tube's disconnected. Raiker manages to float out the other body in
such a way millions of viewers assumed it was him. Even if the body was
recovered, the helmet was gone - removed in such a way it was assumed to
have been either knocked off by the tube or broken off when N. E. Body
was shot (in this case, Raiker could further criticize the captain, since
these known criminals were apparently able to steal weapons from the crew
before bording Liberator and killed Body in his* attempt to stop them
[even though we know it was Raiker we saw, not Body]). Then, it's simply
a question of whether Raiker (who had his helmet ready) could let himself
be rescued or had to come up with a way to get in without being caught.
_Then_ it's simply a question of how much of this remained undiscovered
or whether any of the surviving crew had names like Poirot or Marple.
Ellynne
*Of course Body's a he. The mistaken identity thing is enough of a
stretch as it is. Besides, while a female crew member who felt the same
about Raiker's passes as Jenna would provide a wonderful motive scenario,
the captain would have warned Raiker to leave the female crew members
alone (or be discreet) instead of just Jenna if that had been an issue.
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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 07:31:44 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Horizon
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David Fielding wrote:
<I'm sorry that Diane Gies has had problems with her "ladies bit", but how
does that stop the Horizon committee from carrying on and doing the NL in
her absence?>
Unless things have changed drastically in the past few years, Diane Gies
*is* Horizon and without her next to nothing gets done. Especially the NL,
since she seemed to insist on rubber-stamping every page with her approval
before it was allowed anywhere near a printers.
I think my favourite NL was the one with the blank page at the end, that the
'stupid' printers conveniently 'forgot' to print. Just so happened to be
the page exhorting all Horizon members to make their own pirate copies of
the Shakedown video...
Neil
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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 07:34:05 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon and That Image
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Sally wrote:
> Neil offered:
> <Whereas I automatically went for Option 6 - Terry Nation hadn't thought
> about Anna Grant yet. Really really obvious, even if it doesn't play the
> game.>
>
> <blank look> But where's the fun in that? (Terry Nation? Never heard of
him
> - or Chris Boucher) The mere fact that some of the 'playing the game'
> solutions (some of mine, at least) make rather less sense than the
original
> plot hole shouldn't be allowed to get in the way of a good convoluted
> theory.
Oh yes they should!
Neil
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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 17:39:40 GMT
From: "Mat Shayde" <dorian17@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: Soolin & Avon (was Re: [B7L] Cally & Avon)
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<snip>
> > There are good things about their partnership - he's comfortable with
>her,
> > he understands the way her mind works (though he shows little interest
>in
> > her mind as such, one of my prerequisites for him *taking* a personal
> > interest in someone),
>
>Mm. I don't see any indication he was interested in Anna's mind.
>OTOH, if that's what you want... If you can get Soolin to make
>the first move, it'd be enough of a shock to Avon that he'd be
>wondering about it for months... by which time he'd be hooked :)
>Beyond that, I think having a close relationship with a woman that
>actually understood him would be an enormous relief.
What's wrong with Soolin's mind? I know she's not an intellectual, but then
very few of the crew are, but she is highly intelligent, has the capacity
for reasoned logical thought and can be insightful. After all she realises
the truth about Cancer/Piri whilst Tarrant is rushing around thinking with
his trousers and Avon is being rendered unconscious and strapped to a board.
If it weren't for her mind Avon would be dead.
Mind you, my money's on Avon and Jenna - I don't think much of her much
vaunted interest in Blake. :) I'm quite keen on the Cally/Vila theory
too...
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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 08:11:00 +0100
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Volcano question
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In message <20000326212141.86707.qmail@hotmail.com>, Sally Manton
<smanton@hotmail.com> writes
>Our Heroes/The federation
I know we try on The Other List, but I'm not sure we've had sufficient
time to work through *every* permutation.
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 17:50:00 GMT
From: "Mat Shayde" <dorian17@hotmail.com>
To: N.Faulkner@tesco.net, blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Horizon
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>From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
>To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
>Subject: Re: [B7L] Horizon
>Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 07:31:44 +0100
>
>David Fielding wrote:
><I'm sorry that Diane Gies has had problems with her "ladies bit", but how
>does that stop the Horizon committee from carrying on and doing the NL in
>her absence?>
>
>Unless things have changed drastically in the past few years, Diane Gies
>*is* Horizon and without her next to nothing gets done.
largely, it seems, because she wont allow it to be done, rather than because
of any apathy or incompetence upon the part of other committee members.
Especially the NL,
>since she seemed to insist on rubber-stamping every page with her approval
>before it was allowed anywhere near a printers.
And there we were assuming that Horizon was a democracy rather than an
autocracy. How foolish of us. The attitude seems to be 'like what we give
you or lump it' rather than 'you're the paying fan/customer let us try and
give you what you want.'
Hey ho - glad I'm not a member anymore.
>I think my favourite NL was the one with the blank page at the end, that
>the
>'stupid' printers conveniently 'forgot' to print. Just so happened to be
>the page exhorting all Horizon members to make their own pirate copies of
>the Shakedown video...
>
>Neil
>
>"I am not a man, I am a free number."
>
How careless - sack those printers immediately. After all they seem to be
responsible for the lateness of *every* issue...
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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 13:02:03 EST
From: AStullken@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Volcano question
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Sally Manton wrote:
>>S'pose it could be worse. Would anyone who came in on
Rescue/Power/Stardrive
still be around today <eg> <<
<delurk> Actually this is right where I came in. I was 12 years old and
totally bored, so I turned on the TV, which just happened to be set on my
local PBS station. The first thing I heard was Avon's line about the
heliofusion rod. I stayed with the show because of Vila. When I discovered
that there were three whole seasons before that point I was totally hooked.
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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 19:48:56 +0100
From: "Ariana" <ariana@ndirect.co.uk>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Cally & Avon
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From: J MacQueen <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
> SOOLIN What happens to Tarrant and the others meantime?
> AVON Well, during the manoeuvre they are entirely on their own, but once
we
> are back in our new orbit, the teleport system should function quite
> normally. Oh, it's a calculated risk. But at least you and I can be
certain
> that we can get away when we want to.
> [From "Games"]
I haven't got a clear picture of Soolin, so I can't judge of her
relationship with Avon (or the leer you described). But based on the above
conversation, I suppose one could argue the same point about Avon and Jenna
in the following snippet:
AVON: You could buy anything with this. Anything at all. Think of it
Jenna, there isn't anything you couldn't have.
JENNA: But what about Blake?
AVON: What about him?
JENNA: No.
AVON: We could own our own planet.
JENNA: We're not leaving him there.
AVON: We have to. He's a crusader. He'll look upon all this as just
one more weapon to use against the Federation. And he can't win.
You know he can't win. What do you want to be rich or dead?
(picks up necklace) We might never have this opportunity again.
[Cygnus Alpha]
Lots of "we" from Avon in there. Obviously, I'm not suggesting for one
minute that Avon really would like to scamper off with Jenna to their own
planet. But with nothing but subtext to explore, I think we can probably
find any subtext we like. :)
Anyway, as to pairing Avon off, I suggest Servalan. It'd be interesting to
see her try out her sex kitten act on Mr Humourless. They'd both have a
miserable time, but it should be interesting to watch (or read). <g>
Ariana
http://www.alpha.ndirect.co.uk
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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 22:13:14 +0200
From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] horizon
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Troy wrote re the Horizon newsletter:
>It might be a smart move for them to publish online have a smaller
>subscription charge.
Not every fan is online. It may even be possible that the majority of the
Horizon members are not online.
Personally I was very impressed with H39 (I joined last year) and am looking
forward to H40. All right, it's a bit late, but that means we don't have to
pay that often. :-)
Marian
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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 22:29:24 +0200
From: Jacqueline Thijsen <jacqueline.thijsen@cmg.nl>
To: b7 <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: RE: [B7L] Avon and That Image
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Sally, then Neil:
> > The mere fact that some of the 'playing the game'
> > solutions (some of mine, at least) make rather less sense than the
> > original plot hole shouldn't be allowed to get in the way of a good
> > convoluted theory.
>
> Oh yes they should!
<peers out from under bed> Hmm, no hugs in days, and Neil is actually
sounding like his old arrogant self again. <relieved sigh> Looks like the
list is a safe place to be again.
Oh, and Ellynne: Cally and Vila did hug in Aftermath (or was it Powerplay?)
Since that was the most explicit physical contact any of our heroes ever had
on screen (except for Avon dragging Blake away from exploding things), I'm
afraid I have to agree with Mistral about them having feelings for each
other. At the very least Sister-Brother feelings, but I'm sure Vila wouldn't
mind a bit more.
Jacqueline
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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 22:42:06 +0200
From: Jacqueline Thijsen <jacqueline.thijsen@cmg.nl>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: RE: [B7L] First Impressions: "Seek-Locate-Destroy"
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Oops, sorry Ariana, I forgot to check my "to" field, so you're getting this
twice.
Ariana wrote:
>
> Blake had better watch out -- there's finally a worthy
> adversary after him.
> And no, I don't mean that twerp Travis!
>
<choke> You're very lucky this is still Greiff's Travis. That means that you
only have to deal with those GITHOG weenies. You might want to watch your
step, though, once the divine Brian Croucher puts on the eyepatch. None have
ever rivalled his sheer ruthlessness, his good looks, the way he fits into
his uniform.....
Excuse me while I go cool off somewhere.
Jacqueline,
Chief high inquisitioner of the one true Church of Travis.
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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 22:43:32 +0200
From: Jacqueline Thijsen <jacqueline.thijsen@cmg.nl>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: RE: [B7L] RPG Female Fans
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Calle wrote:
>
> But we never get any players for the Paranoia game anyway...
It sounds like fun to me. If I make it to Redemption next year, I'd like to
try it out.
Jacqueline
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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 22:49:34 +0200
From: Jacqueline Thijsen <jacqueline.thijsen@cmg.nl>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: RE: [B7L] Avon drool
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Sally wrote:
> Avona wrote:
> <Actually, in a technical sense, I think the Travises are
> probably the most
> conventionally good looking of the men making frequent appearences.>
>
> I'd go further and narrow it down to Travis II (pity Penny
> left before I
> made *that* concession, though I still prefer Travis I). With
> - for those
> who like conventional - maybe Tarrant coming second (Idon't
> really, and
> there's the Cabbage Patch aura, but otherwise he probably
> beats out Travis I.)
Hesitate no more, Sally, join the ranks of those who have discovered the
virtues of the one true Travis. We're here for you.
Jacqueline
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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 22:33:44 +0100
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: b7 <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Cally & Avon
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In message <00ba01bf9826$05875e40$17ed07c3@ariana>, Ariana
<ariana@ndirect.co.uk> writes
>Anyway, as to pairing Avon off, I suggest Servalan. It'd be interesting to
>see her try out her sex kitten act on Mr Humourless.
<grin> Keep watching.
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 21:34:15 GMT
From: "David Fielding" <davidft10@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Horizon 1.5
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Hello again,
I haven’t been struck by lightning yet, so the rumours of Diane Gies’s God
like powers must be a myth, just like the Deliverance 98 (!!!?) videos.
Yesterday I posed the question, How does Diane Gies’s fallopian tubes, stop
the Horizon committee from carrying on and doing the NL in her absence?
Last night I decided to retrieve NL 39.5 from my dustbin and work it out for
myself.
Did you know there is not a single member of the Horizon committee involved
with the magazine’s production! There’s a “T-shirt Officer” there’s an
“Outings Officer” (gay members beware!) there’s even a “Fiddly Bits of
Merchandise Officer”, but that’s it. No editor, no reviews editor, no news
editor (maybe there was one of them!), no production manager, no designer,
nothing. Isn’t that incredible? Who put 39.5 together? Bimbo the Dancing
chimp? No wonder the damn things 15 months late!!!
David F.
PS
What does A:ATA mean?
“Death throws, nothing more!”
Secretary Rontane, after reading H39.5
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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 22:48:30 +0100
From: "Helm, Troy" <thelm@csw.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: RE: [B7L] horizon
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Well you can't always cater for the lowest denominator!!!!
Upgrade or die ; )
Troy
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From: Marian de Haan [mailto:maya@multiweb.nl]
Sent: 27 March 2000 21:13
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] horizon
Troy wrote re the Horizon newsletter:
>It might be a smart move for them to publish online have a smaller
>subscription charge.
Not every fan is online. It may even be possible that the majority of the
Horizon members are not online.
Personally I was very impressed with H39 (I joined last year) and am looking
forward to H40. All right, it's a bit late, but that means we don't have to
pay that often. :-)
Marian
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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 22:58:17 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Horizon 1.5
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David Fielding wondered:
>What does A:ATA mean?
'Avon: A Terrible Aspect'. Or was that 'Prospect'?
Una
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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 22:05:33 GMT
From: "Mat Shayde" <dorian17@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Horizon 1.5
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>From: "David Fielding" <davidft10@hotmail.com>
>To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
>Subject: [B7L] Horizon 1.5
>Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 21:34:15 GMT
>
>Hello again,
>
>I haven’t been struck by lightning yet, so the rumours of Diane Gies’s God
>like powers must be a myth, just like the Deliverance 98 (!!!?) videos.
>Yesterday I posed the question, How does Diane Gies’s fallopian tubes, stop
>the Horizon committee from carrying on and doing the NL in her absence?
>Last night I decided to retrieve NL 39.5 from my dustbin and work it out
>for myself.
>Did you know there is not a single member of the Horizon committee involved
>with the magazine’s production! There’s a “T-shirt Officer” there’s an
>“Outings Officer” (gay members beware!) there’s even a “Fiddly Bits of
>Merchandise Officer”, but that’s it. No editor, no reviews editor, no news
>editor (maybe there was one of them!), no production manager, no designer,
>nothing. Isn’t that incredible? Who put 39.5 together? Bimbo the Dancing
>chimp? No wonder the damn things 15 months late!!!
>
>
>David F.
Disturbing isn't it? I remember a time when Diane used to (hopefully
ironically) refer to herself as 'Supreme Commander' in the opening bit of
the newsletter. It sounds as if she has started taking it a bit too
seriously. Is this a club (ie group effort) or just a one-woman crusade to
homogenise B7 fandom?
>PS
>What does A:ATA mean?
It stands for Avon: A Terrible Aspect, although (and with all due respect to
Paul Darrow who is a fine actor, but a rather less fine novelist) it should
more rightly be A:ATN - Avon: A Terrible Novel
Dorian - "You mean you're here by choice?"
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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 08:19:19 EST
From: "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Horizon 1.5
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>From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
>David Fielding wondered: > >What does A:ATA mean?
>'Avon: A Terrible Aspect'. Or was that 'Prospect'?
Depends on what you are looking at, I suppose. <grin> And we know what some
people are looking at...
Regards
Joanne
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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 22:29:45 GMT
From: "David Fielding" <davidft10@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Horizon 1.6
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>>David Fielding wrote:
>>Did you know that in the time it has taken the 39.5 pamphlet to come out,
>>I have bought a house, got married, and fathered a child!
>Una said
>Wow! The B7 equivalent of the Great Wall of China! I wonder if you can see
>it from space too?
Yes you can,
It's very wide and stretches around a small principality.
David F.
Bye the way Una,
how's your regular article "The Web" coming along for H40?
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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 23:02:57 GMT
From: "David Fielding" <davidft10@hotmail.com>
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>> Speaking of the movie, did anyone actually see the negative comments
>> supposedly put up on Horizon's web page soliciting comments, whch caused
>>the
>> whole thing to be removed?? I wonder what that was all about. Maybe
>>just
>> remarks from people who read and disliked A:ATA?
Tiger M. wrote
>I didn't see the webpage or the comments, but the whole thing does seem
>odd. I'm interested to know what was going on, too.
This is the answer why the Movie Comments page was pulled.
Diane Gies started censoring comments that she didn't agree with. This upset
a lot of people who started to complain about her actions. Diane's respons
was to take the comments page of line.
So much for freedom of speach.
David F.
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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 23:42:41 GMT
From: "David Fielding" <davidft10@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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>>David Fielding wrote:
>>I'm sorry that Diane Gies has had problems with her "ladies bit", but how
>>does that stop the Horizon committee from carrying on and doing the NL in
>>her absence?>
>Unless things have changed drastically in the past few years, Diane Gies
>*is* Horizon and without her next to nothing gets done. Especially the NL,
>since she seemed to insist on rubber-stamping every page with her approval
>before it was allowed anywhere near a printers.
>I think my favourite NL was the one with the blank page at the end, that
>the
>'stupid' printers conveniently 'forgot' to print. Just so happened to be
>the page exhorting all Horizon members to make their own pirate copies of
>the Shakedown video...
You make Diane Gies sound like some homicidal power crazed maniac... Far
enough!
Are you speaking from personal experience?
Where you ever a member of the Horizon committee?
Do you still have the lobotomy scare?
David F.
"That Power would set me up above the Gods, and through Horizon I will have
that power!"
Diane Gies "Genesis of Horizon"
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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 06:32:50 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Horizon 1.5
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Joanne wrote:
> >From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
> >David Fielding wondered: > >What does A:ATA mean?
> >'Avon: A Terrible Aspect'. Or was that 'Prospect'?
>
> Depends on what you are looking at, I suppose. <grin> And we know what
some
> people are looking at...
Ah yes - the cover ;)
Una
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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 08:02:09 +0200
From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] horizon
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To my:
>>Not every fan is online.
Troy replied:
>Well you can't always cater for the lowest denominator!!!!
>
>Upgrade or die ; )
You mean fans who can't afford to be online must be disregarded? Surely
not? :-)
Marian
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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 23:14:31 -0700
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon and That Image
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On Mon, 27 Mar 2000 22:29:24 +0200 Jacqueline Thijsen
<jacqueline.thijsen@cmg.nl> writes:
>
> Oh, and Ellynne: Cally and Vila did hug in Aftermath (or was it
> Powerplay?)
> Since that was the most explicit physical contact any of our heroes
> ever had
> on screen (except for Avon dragging Blake away from exploding
> things), I'm
> afraid I have to agree with Mistral about them having feelings for
> each
> other. At the very least Sister-Brother feelings, but I'm sure Vila
> wouldn't
> mind a bit more.
>
I can see sibling like feelings between them. But, when it comes to the
idea of a romance .... The Avon-Soolin thing I argue against largely
because I just don't see it. I mean, I can believe someone else seeing
it, I just can't see it no matter how many times I look. Part of it is
how I see the characters and part of it is things I look for in a
romantic storyline. I may make a passionate argument now and then, but
the truth is it just doesn't click for me. Nothing more. I look at it,
scratch my head, and go, "Huh?"
Actually, most of the really intense types I've known have tended to
settle down with mellower types - but, then again, maybe other people are
clicking onto an aspect of her character that eludes me or that I just
see differently.
OTOH, I think Cally would wind up feeling as if she were dealing with a
little child all the time if she were involved with Vila. I'm not saying
Cally has anything against kids (her clone sister certainly didn't). I'm
also not saying this would be a problem if they stayed friends. But it
would make a lousy romance. Vila is just too irresponsible and, in many
ways, immature. I could only see it happening in a negative way, a
relationship based on Vila perpetually getting into trouble and Cally
bailing him out.
Besides, can you build a healthy relationship with a guy after expressing
a firm desire to make a necklace out of his teeth?
Ellynne
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