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blakes7-d Digest				Volume 00 : Issue 92

Today's Topics:
	 Re: [B7L] Horizon (flame)
	 RE: [B7L] horizon
	 [B7L] Still Horizon
	 Re: [B7L] Apology (was Horizon (flame))
	 Re: [B7L] Recent Discussion
	 Re: [B7L] Avon's skills
	 Data Protection Act (was: Re: [B7L] Horizon (flame))
	 RE: [B7L] A Commander's Lot
	 RE: [B7L] Horizon discussion
	 Re: [B7L] Avon's skills
	 Re: [B7L] A Commander's Lot
	 Re: [B7L] Contributor's Motivations (was Horizon discussion)
	 [B7L] Time Squad - A Cally Perspective (long)
	 [B7L] Re: Outfits
	 [B7L] Rage Against the Machine
	 Re: [B7L] Pat Patera as wardrobe mistress
	 Re: [B7L] Avon's skills
	 Re: [B7L] Horizon discussion
	 [B7L] cost of email
	 Re: [B7L] Re: Outfits
	 Re: [B7L] Time Squad - A Cally Perspective (long)
	 [B7L] net access
	 Re: [B7L] Time Squad - A Cally Perspective (long)
	 Fwd: [B7L] net access
	 Fwd: Re: [B7L] Horizon discussion

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Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 09:14:54 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Horizon (flame)
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Trish:

> No penguins here alas, but I do have 16+ years of Catholic school behind
me.

Hey! Me too! All good Catholic girls fall for Neil, huh?



> BTW Una, I'm starting to see a correlation between these trained animals
and
> your affection for *that* episode.  What was it called?

<finger on lips> Ssh...


Una

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Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 09:23:55 +0100
From: "Helm, Troy" <thelm@csw.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: RE: [B7L] horizon
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A little off topic so this is my last comment on the subject   ; )

I've been on the web for the past ~5 years and its only been the past year
ISPs have become free.  We still have to pay for the telephone bills (which
cost the same for voice or data and the average person doesn't mind chatting
on the phone so internet usage should be treated any differently).

Just sounds as if your ISP's are a little behind and if people have an
online community to join as an incentive to invest they might be more ready
too.

Chicken and Egg situation.

Troy 
(is it my turn to say its my real name?)



-----Original Message-----
From: Chris [mailto:cporsch@cityweb.de]
Sent: 30 March 2000 09:10
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] horizon





>
> And I wasn't aware of 'your' position in the Netherlands.  Here in the UK
we
> have far too many companies pushing 'free' web access on us.  I know this
> procedure is replicated in all the European countries I've visited.  Maybe
> in a year or so you guys will be in the same position.  Roll on free local
> calls....

Well, it hasn´t reach Germany so far, that´s for sure. Over here you not
only
have to pay for the access to the web, but also for the time you are online
via
your telefon bill. The cheapest account I found so far is for 3.9 Pfennig
the
minute ( about 2 cents a minute )
And if you are online about half an hour or an hour a day to check your
e-mail
or surf the web, it really isn´t a free but a high expensive hobby to be
online.

Chris from Germany

°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°
Carry on, my sweet survivor, carry on my only friend
don´t give up on your dreams, don´t you let it end.
Carry on my sweet survivor, though you know that something´s gone
For everything that matters carry on

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Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 10:50:19 +0100 (BST)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Emily=20Darby?= <emilydarby@yahoo.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Still Horizon
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Having been away from the list for 2 days or so , i
read with interest the comments.

The amount of strong feelings that the subject seems
to have stirred up at least still means that people
care about the fandom, albeit if sometimes this is
expressed in perhaps the wrong way.

I still believe that fandom is a good place to be,
made up for the most part of people who share a common
interest and are prepared to help and support one
another in enjoying that fandom.

It saddens me that people have automatically jumped to
conculsions during this debate that certain people
using net names are not who they pertain to be and i
do not for one minute wish to drag all this up again,
however i find it sad that people consider it
necessary to feel the need to question membership and
attendee status during a debate and i am afraid that
this has left a bitter taste in my mouth and left me
with a feeling that i no longer want to 'reveal' my
'real' name for fear that i shall not be able to
pursue my fannish activites any longer without fear of
being talked about or accused of being 'in league'
with others .


The discussion has given me food for thought about the
way in which Horizon is run, i know a lot of the
speculation is purely that, speculation however from
my years in the fandom i am beginning to see a picture
emerging and it is not one i find particularly
appealing and that saddens and angers me as i in my
own life and my own work fight for a fair deal and a
belief in helping others and an overall belief in
democracy.

i guess this is not really the place to discuss it any
further as it is obvious that it is a fraught subject
and one that will degenerate into total nastiness if
we are not all very careful.

My idea will be to collate all the points of which i
have a concern and i will send them to Diane and the
Horizon group for their consideration or filing into
the trash whichever they prefer!!

As someone else quite rightly pointed out , Blakes 7
fandom has a lot to be thankful for at the moment and
we should enjoy that.

I would like to publicly apologise if anyone has been
personally offended by any of the recent discussion
regarding Horizon, it was never my intention to offend
anyone either by my own words or by inciting
discussion. I hope that it has made a few people stop
and think about the club and it's purpose and it has
made me realise i was not alone in some of my recent
disapointments.

In the spirit of fandom

Regards

Emily Darby













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Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 09:52:32 GMT
From: "Mat Shayde" <dorian17@hotmail.com>
To: N.Faulkner@tesco.net, blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Apology (was Horizon (flame))
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>In short, re your comments on Diane Gies and the Horizon club, I owe you an
>apology, which I unreservedly offer.

Thank you Neil, I unreservedly accept.

Which is not necessarily to say that I
>agree with everything you said on the subject,

Good - that's the joy of debate. :) If we all agreed on everything the list 
would be so dull it would have died a death ages ago.

but I can find no grounds for
>my criticism of the way you said it.

>Neil

Thank you again.

Dorian - "You mean you're here by choice?"

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Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 11:06:32 +0100 (BST)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Emily=20Darby?= <emilydarby@yahoo.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Recent Discussion
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--- Andy Hopkinson <andyrh@netcomuk.co.uk> wrote:
> I've kept quiet in the discussion about Horizon 39.5
> because I obviously
> have
> biased feelings on the subject.  Diane has had the
> courtesy to put the bare
> minimum of our dispute in the public forum and I'm
> going to respect that.  I
> shall therefore be extremely brief.

Which is exactly thhe way it should be

> After producing issue 39, Alan and I went on to
> produce issue 40.  The
> magazine
> although completed did not meet with Diane's
> approval.  After it became
> clear
> that we were not going to reach a compromise
> agreement, Diane decided to
> start
> again from scratch.


This is very sad, the last 2 newsletters were
excellent and i was therefore saddened to read they
neither you nor Alan were going to be involved any
more, it seems a waste to B7 fandom however
disagreements happen i guess.

> Diane has offered to make our correspondence
> privately available to anyone
> who
> wants to view it.  Alan and I are happy to do the
> same.

I don't know if i want delve that deeply into
something that it obviusly nasty enough however
Diane's commments in 39.5 were veiled enough to make
me thing 'Ah ha' something is going on here , now i
don't know if that was the intention however in my
case it was 'ahha' followed by  'hmmmm' that means
they won't be putting together the newletter and then
, hmmm that means that is why it is late and then all
kinds of other things went tumbling around my mind
about the Deliverence videos and so on........



>It has been said by several people on this list that
> if you don't like what
> Horizon do, you should try doing something else
> yourself.
> 
> We are.
> 
> Alan and I will be publishing a B7 magazine of our
> own.  It's an experiment.
> We
> don't know if it will be a success so we're only
> trying one issue initially.
> If
> people like it, we'll do another.
> 
> It's not a fan club.  It's not intended to replace
> Horizon.  We'll be happy
> to
> sell copies through Horizon, Avon, Judith Proctor or
> anyone else who is
> interested.
> 
> 
> Andy Hopkinson.
> 


Sounds like a super idea.......

Thank you for being honest enought to post to the
list, i would imagine it has been hard to sit and read
all the recent postings, i am assuming that you have
been on list?

anything that helps B7 fandom i believe should be
encouraged and i don't really miund if this is
websites newletters magazines, articles in the radio
times, anything that keeps it alive and current is
good

Good luck with the new project Alan and Andy
Emily


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Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 02:43:33 -0800
From: mistral@ptinet.net
To: B7 List <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon's skills
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Andrew Ellis wrote:

> I might have forgotten something again, but I get the impression that the
> Captain didn't want to waste time on shore leave on CA because it was a
> dump. The Federation might not even know about the "plague", or even care.

I rather thought it's because he knew the natives were unfriendly.

Mistral
--
"Consider it an adventure."--Galen, 'Crusade'

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Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 11:36:21 +0100
From: JMR <jager@clara.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Data Protection Act (was: Re: [B7L] Horizon (flame))
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At 11:10 30/03/00 , Mat Shayde wrote:
(snip)
>attacks against other posters. (except for my understandable anger at Judith 
>Rolls' abuse of her possition as an ex committee member, a fact that several 
>other people have commented upon.)


"Abuse of position", eh? I don't think, actually, that being asked by
"Horizon" to pass legitimate information along to Lysator counts as abuse
of any position.

Those understandably concerned about the terms of the Data Protection Act
may like to know the following, and can, of course, check it for themselves
with the government information line if they so wish: "Horizon" was not
required to register under the rules of the DPA, due to being an
"unincorporated club". However, even "unincorporated clubs" holding
membership databases etc. were required to abide by the additional
guidelines of the DPA, if not be bound by the full terms of the Act.

The rules have now changed to include organisations like "Horizon" within
the bounds of the whole act; if any club/organsation has held a database
for more than a couple of years, however, there is a transitional period
until October 2001. Until then, "Horizon" is still deemed to be an
"unincorporated club" by the original definition.

The Data Protection Act prohibits the disclosure of information about
members. If someone other than myself or my appointed representative asks,
for instance, 'is Judith Rolls a member of "Horizon"?' (I am), the club, or
it's nominated spokesperson, is bound by the DPA to decline to comment,
since records under that name are held. If, however, the question is asked
'is Fred Bloggs a member of "Horizon"?', then, assuming that he is not, the
club is entitled to reply 'no', since there is no data being held on anyone
of that name.

Put simply: within the bounds of the DPA, "Horizon" (or any other
club/convention) is legitimately able to state "'x' is not a member" if it
holds no records for 'x'. It is not a violation of the DPA to state, for
example, 'Prince Charles is not a member of "Horizon".'

"Horizon", as it wished to state at the time, holds no data on the
individuals "David Fielding", "Emily Darby" or "Mat Shayde". Therefore
stating the fact is not a violation of the DPA.

I hope that clarifies both the club's and my position regarding so-called
"abuse". Thank you.


Judith


http://home.clara.net/jager

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Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:13:27 +0200
From: Jacqueline Thijsen <jacqueline.thijsen@cmg.nl>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: RE: [B7L] A Commander's Lot
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Judith and Kathryn wrote:
> 
>  A Commander's Lot
>  (to the tune of A Policeman's Lot by Mr. Gilbert and Mr. Sullivan)
>  
>  by Judith Proctor and Kathryn Andersen

Bravo ladies! You've shown unusual insight in Travis' psyche and are hereby
appointed honorary members of FINALACT. Whether you like it or not.
 
>  (inspired by watching Seek-Locate-Destroy)

Hmm, can't wait to see a filk inspired on the true Travis. Try watching Star
One for inspiration. Especially the scene with Travis spinning like a
windchime.

Jacqueline

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Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:13:16 +0200
From: Jacqueline Thijsen <jacqueline.thijsen@cmg.nl>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: RE: [B7L] Horizon discussion
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Sally wrote:
> 
> Russ wrote:
> 
> <- anything to avoid another 50 posts describing the slight 
> motion of Avon's 
> ring finger as it pertains to his ambivalent emotional 
> responses to Blake 
> :)>
> 
> <anguished wail> but Russ, we can't stop now, we've only done 
> Avon's *left* ring finger...

Not to mention Travis' ring finger, which drew profound emotional responses
from Blake.

Jacqueline

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Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 03:44:45 -0800
From: mistral@ptinet.net
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Andrew Ellis wrote:

> >my
> >interpretation then and now is that his acquaintance with
> >Anna Grant imperilled her function as Bartholomew should
> >he remain on Earth in a position to run into her accidentally.
> >Her expertise would obviously be more valuable than his.
>
> You don't put you top top agent onto a meagre bank fraud. If you need to do
> that, you really are in trouble. So I think Anna (real name because of
> brothers actions), who reports to the Federation as Bartholomew, and lives a
> civil life as Sula

So far, so good. I agree.

> either.
>
> 1) Already knew Avon before he got into the Fraud etc and "bagsied" an easy
> assignment. This explains why, on this mission, she has to use her real
> name.
>
> 2) Avon was into something bigger. The bank fraud was part of something.
> That's why Bartholomew was "running" Avon. To get at the other people
> involved. Not involved in the bank fraud, but the "grand plan". In this
> scenario, Avon is so immediately hostile to Blake because Avon's team was
> actually going to succeed, but Blake's outfit got wiped out and to make
> matters worse Blake got all the headlines. There was no way Avon would want
> to be associated with being one of Blakes crew, he wanted to run the
> revolution. But why does Anna use her real name in this scenario ?

You've overlooked the rather obvious scenario 3), which we are handed
by the series and which I find you've given me no compelling reason to
discount: the Feds *thought* Avon was onto something bigger. That's
why they assigned Bartholomew. They were, however, wrong.

Anna could have used her real name for a variety of reasons in this
case; if he were indeed guilty he would be dead or deported for life
and her identity would be in no danger. Perhaps he was previously
acquainted with Del Grant and she used that for an introduction.
Perhaps she was already acquainted with him. Perhaps she knew
how suspicious he would be of a new acquaintance at that time in
his life and that he would run extensive checks on her background
before trusting her--what better, more thorough cover than a real one?

Of far more interest to me is why the name 'Sula' Chesku. Since
Servalan knew her real name was Anna Grant, and since I am
thoroughly convinced Avon knew she was married to Chesku,
this one's a bit more of a puzzle.

<shrug> There is no canonical evidence to indicate that the
Federation placed any particular value on Avon's computer skills.
That sort of structure places much more emphasis on order,
obedience, and getting along than it does on brilliance. This gives
Avon plenty of fuel for resentment. There *is* canonical evidence
that Anna was highly valued. And your second scenario, while
creative, requires turning almost everything we know about Avon's
personality and actions in all four series on its head; I (generally)
prefer Occam's Razor.

Mistral
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Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 07:44:31 EST
From: Tigerm1019@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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In a message dated 03/31/2000 5:14:21 AM Central Standard Time, 
jacqueline.thijsen@cmg.nl writes:

> Hmm, can't wait to see a filk inspired on the true Travis. Try watching Star
>  One for inspiration. Especially the scene with Travis spinning like a
>  windchime.

Or Hostage?  With the scene of Travis running through the quarry screeching 
"Crimmos!" at the top of his lungs?

Tiger M

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Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 08:46:00 -0500
From: Meredith Dixon <dixonm@pobox.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Contributor's Motivations (was Horizon discussion)
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On Thu, 30 Mar 2000 23:13:05 EST, you wrote:

>So, what is it about mudslinging that inspires lurkers to drop the shields, 
>when less heated discussions don't?  Seriously - I'm curious about this.  
>What sort of things make you want to respond to a discussion, or stay quiet?  

I made my first post to that thread to defend Calle, because,
when that private e-mail from Diane Gies was posted here last
year, I was one of the people who reproached him for violating
netiquette for facilitating its posting.  I felt obliged to
defend him on a different point to demonstrate that it hadn't
been either an attack on him or a vote in support of the present
management of Horizon -- that I really had been worried about
netiquette.

I made the second post to that thread (not counting my apology
for the misattribution I made in my first post) when, blast it,
someone reposted that very same bit of private e-mail I'd gone
ballistic over last year.  So I posted to say that it was still
a violation of netiquette -- which it was.

>So how about it?  If you're not a frequent (or even occasional) poster, 
>what's the reason?  Let's hear some more words from the lurkers!

Beyond that, people who were on Space City a while back know why
I don't post often.  I've gotten a lot readier to post in the
past year, since creating *Raven Days*, mainly, I think, because
running a site like *Raven Days* has required me to risk being
more open about myself.  

Unfortunately, for the past year, I've been rather more
interested in *Have Gun, Will Travel* than in B7, and somehow or
other HGWT almost never fits into the discussion here. :)  I'm
sure I'll get back to watching B7 again once I've collected all
the HGWT episodes, but that'll be a while yet; it ran for six
seasons.


-- 
Meredith Dixon <dixonm@pobox.com>
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Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 15:38:13 +0100
From: Russ Massey <russ@wriding.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Time Squad - A Cally Perspective (long)
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Here it is then - the threatened first part of a series that'll never be
completed in a million years. An analysis of the B7 episodes solely
from Cally's point of view. I'm trying to concentrate on her reactions
and responses to the other crew members and the situations with a
view to working out what her own motivations are; especially where a
clue might be provided towards an explanation of her change in
character as the series progressed.

TIME SQUAD - A CALLY PERSPECTIVE

The first scene in which Cally is involved might well be before that in
which she gives Roj the benefit of her boot-shod kick in the ribs. After
Blake announces his intention to build a fire we see Avon and Vila
scatter in a long shot from high above. Such a shot is usually a
convention to indicate that the group are under distant observation
without their knowledge. Is this Cally already watching them? Later
dialogue indicates that she's unaware of the teleport, so she must have
arrived at that very moment.

A few minutes later (Blake has a fire going, but Avon and Vila are out
collecting additional wood) Cally makes her move to attack Blake. She
approaches from his rear, making enough noise to alert him but not in
time for him to avoid her kick, which sends him sprawling down a
scree slope away from the fire and from Vila's toolbox. This is a mere
few seconds after Blake has used his bracelet to communicate, and
Cally must have seen that action.

Why did she attack in the way she did? Why not simply blow Blake's
head off from a distance? Instead she risked a stealthy approach over
loose rocks against an armed man (the Liberator handguns might be
unfamiliar in type, but are evidently a holstered sidearm) who has
companions within communication range. We learn later that she is on
a suicide mission to kill as many Federation personnel as she can
before dying, so what stopped her bypassing Blake to get to her target,
or killing him from a distance and moving on?

The only reason I can come up with for her taking the risks she does is
that she is uncertain of their identity and desperately hoping that
Blake might be an ally. Blake is not wearing a Federation uniform, is
beyond the normal patrol radius of the complex (by his own
estimation) and acting in a strange manner seemingly designed to
attract attention. If Cally was desperately lonely, half-crazed with fear
and already hardened to taking suicidal risks then she might decide to
confront this stranger in preference to killing/ignoring him.

Her attack is proficient enough. Blake is surprised and sent sprawling.
Cally scrambles after and keeps him covered, avoiding the obvious
attempt to lunge at her from the ground. Her first communication is a
telepathic demand for identity: 'Who are you?' She repeats it three
times in the face of Blake's silence, and even when Blake attacks her
she refrains from violence against him. This is quite extraordinary
self-control given the circumstances. She very definitely does not want
to kill this man, despite her threat to blow his head off if he tries
anything else. 'What are you doing here?' To me it seems obvious that
she is hoping to hear a particular answer. She wants to be told that
Blake is on her side - that she is no longer alone on an alien planet and
shortly about to die.

Blake distracts her with a look behind her and then disarms her. I
know that this a standard action cliché anyway, but it shouldn't have
worked against someone concentrating on what they were doing. It
can certainly be seen as an indication that Cally's mental state,
although on the surface icily calm, is not all that it should be.

She curses Blake with her '...alone and silent' line. Bitter at her failure
she swings from hope to despair. If Blake's not her saviour than he's
the devil. He's Fed security and she'll die before she tells him
anything. Blake's attempts to convince her otherwise are ignored.
Blake reaches her psychologically in the only way he can. He returns
her (temporarily) disabled weapon and turns his back on her,
abandoning her as if she doesn't matter. Cally has time to think things
through while re-enabling her rifle. She asks for proof that Blake is
who he says he is. Note that Blake gives her none. He merely says that
blowing up the complex should be all the proof she needs. Cally does
another hope/despair flip-flop and transfers all her need for allies onto
him. 

When Vila startles her she doesn't shoot. Avon approaches, claiming
to have had her in his sights all the time (unlikely give the relative
positions of the slops and his appearance, but there you go). Cally is
smiling in genuine amusement, either at Avon's claim, in recognition
at her own vulnerability or in response to Avon's jokes at Vila's
expense. The third option seems most likely to me. Cally had just gone
out on a limb in her attempt to find help and anything would seem
funny in the aftermath of tension and the backwash of adrenaline.

In the conversation that follows Cally seems almost to be boasting
about her people when she explains their telepathy and quickness. She
might be an exile, but she still has an evident pride in her origin and
the accomplishments of the Auronar. She says that if Avon had
engaged her she would not have died alone. Idle banter? Under-
estimation of Avon? Actually it's not likely at this point that Avon
would be all that accurate with a Liberator handgun. Since he was a
good 20m from the action my money would have been on Cally's long
arm.

When Blake asks what happened to the resistance she becomes
defensive. 'We were getting stronger'. She says this as if she were
being criticised and needs to justify the actions of her dead comrades.
She claims that they were destroyed because they were running rings
around Fed security, and the destruction of one of their complexes was
the last straw. There is obviously some survivor guilt at work here.
Cally needs to feel that her comrades didn't die for nothing and wants
to show that they hurt the Feds. But she lived when they all died and
this has made her self-destructive, hence the intent to kill until killed
in a raid. She seems to show both surprise and contempt at Vila's
evident worry about being killed. Is this a reaction to her own
surprised desire not to die, or just the professional's disdain of the
amateur?

What does Cally think of the group at this point? She has obviously
accepted Blake as the leader. She telepaths to him alone when she
agrees to guide them into the complex. It's not too surprising when
you look at the dialogue. Blake is the one pressing all the right
emotional buttons, stressing how he'll blow up the complex and has a
means of escape. Avon comes over as a bit of a braggart and someone
who specialises in black humour and put-downs. Vila is cautious and
pessimistic - an obvious non-warrior type. Whatever she thinks of
them as individuals (and she smiles at Avon's jokes on a couple of
occasions) she joins them.

When the group prepares to open the security door leading to the
generator Cally observes them all very intently (instead of keeping a
look out as she is supposed to be doing). She must realise at this point
that Blake's group haven't known each other well or long. Vila's skills
come as a surprise, and the fact that a discussion takes place at all
shows that Blake is more of an improviser than a planner. She still
knows nothing about the teleport at this stage, but at no point does she
query Blake's escape plans. This either shows an uncommon degree of
trust on short notice, or she is still thinking of the mission as suicidal
and has fatalistic assumed that they'll all die.

When locked in the generator room she rather surprisingly acts as
Avon's assistant, passing him the tools he needs for the sabotage. Why
isn't Vila doing this? Are Cally's 'communications' skills more
applicable to the situation than Vila's security knowledge? Is it
because her nerves are steadier? Is this early evidence of a fascination
with Avon and his work? 

Blake now provided her with a teleport bracelet, but still without
telling her what it is. What would have happened if the group had
been pinned down before reaching the generator? It seems a bit
remiss of Blake not to have given Cally a bracelet straight away unless
he was unsure about her until that point. As the guards break in and
as the teleport activates we see Cally calmly facing the door with her
weapon levelled. She seems fully prepared to die at that point.

She exhibits little apparent curiosity on reaching the Liberator.
Granted there is another crisis to deal with, but I like to think that she
has mentally prepared herself to die and takes a while (off screen) to
return to her normal mental state.

On the Flight Deck her glance flickers around all the crew as if she is
evaluating them before Blake makes the offer to return her to Auron.
There is a slight hesitation before her reply, and she responds with a
slight surprise that he'd even mention such a thing, as if Blake should
be aware that her failure prevents return. Is this an act? Has she
decided to angle to become a member of the crew, or is her story
genuine? We know that it is later at least partly contradicted. I think
it likely that Cally has become emotionally dependent on Blake, the
man who has redeemed the loss of her companions and given her own
life meaning again. Okay, perhaps I'm reading too much into too little
here, but it's certainly psychotically justifiable.

Her last shot is in response to Jenna's comment as to the wisdom of
bringing aliens aboard. She shows no reaction. It's probably the first
time Jenna has spoken in her presence, and she probably realises it
won't do any good to make an issue of anything until she's more
familiar with the interpersonal dynamics of the group. Either that or
it went completely over her head :)


Whew! That was a bit longer than I expected, especially since Cally
only appears half way through the episode. Any comments welcome.
-- 
Russ Massey

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Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 10:28:20 -0500
From: "Dana Shilling" <dshilling@worldnet.att.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: Outfits
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There was a headline in the New York Law Journal last week: "Death Penalty
Statute Applies to Accessories." About time too. I'd start with the pave
gauntlets--Avon must have decided he needed a pair just like Bayban's, and
shopped for MONTHS. Probably went back to whichever galactic shopping
precinct they bought Vila's metal briefcase that replaced the picnic cooler
by City at the Edge of the World. And the exterior views of Servalan's space
station are a Circline fluorescent lamp, aren't they?

Honestly, why can't we all just get along and play nicely with our toys? I'm
saving my pennies to buy Avon some TASTEFUL clothing--I'm sure he'd actually
wear it if someone gave him a good example. (Story underway about a long
weekend in which he acquires not one but two cashmere sweaters. Well, you
won't be reading it at Horizon.)

I saw Harvest of Kairos for the first time earlier this week. After such
spiders, what forgiveness? If they didn't have any money, why not just
oppose the sopron with a 1984-style inverse sopron (something that shows you
whatever is the Worst Thing in the World to you)? Then all you need is a
couple of reaction shots. It's even CHEAPER than building Brian the Spider.
-(Y)

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Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 10:37:02 -0500
From: "Dana Shilling" <dshilling@worldnet.att.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Rage Against the Machine
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>From "Dinner at Eight"
JEAN HARLOW: I was readin' a book last night...
MARIE DRESSLER: [Gigantic take]
HARLOW: A real screwy kind of a book. It says in the future machines will
replace every profession.
DRESSLER: Oh my dear, YOU have nothing to worry about.

One thing that struck me about Blake's trial was that, although there were
lawyers, judges, bailiffs, and other paraphernalia we're familiar with, each
lawyer produced a large pink marble, the marbles were stuffed into a Perspex
box, and the box made the decision. In other words, the judges, bailiffs,
etc. were just accessories to the machine.
I'm willing to accept that Jenna and Tarrant are both good pilots, but what
exactly does piloting consist of? It looks like Zen does all the work, and
the pilot just issues instructions from a fairly small instruction set (Go
to a Named Location, Tell Us Where We Are, Put Up the Shields, Shoot, Fix
the Hole Where They Shot Us, Bugger Off Out of Here, and Bugger Off Out of
Here Really Fast). Sounds like a taxi with plasma beams to me...
-(Y)

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Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 11:20:25 EST
From: Pherber@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Pat Patera as wardrobe mistress
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In a message dated 3/30/00 1:47:37 PM Mountain Standard Time, 
julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk writes:

<< Sounds horribly like something you'd find if you rummaged around in Leah
 and Annie's file of "things too way-out even for Bizarro". >>

Whoa - *that* sounds like a scary place! <g>

Nina

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Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 08:04:44 +0100
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: B7 List <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon's skills
Message-ID: <hnBPQQAM4E54EwWF@jajones.demon.co.uk>

In message <00ee01bf9a2c$58c4e340$56a201d5@leanet.futures.bt.co.uk>,
Andrew Ellis <Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com> writes
>You don't put you top top agent onto a meagre bank fraud. If you need to do
>that, you really are in trouble. So I think Anna (real name because of
>brothers actions), who reports to the Federation as Bartholomew, and lives a
>civil life as Sula either.

3) The Feds *thought* Avon was into something bigger - as stated by
Shrinker.
-- 
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
        The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.

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Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 08:09:48 +0100
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Horizon discussion
Message-ID: <kndOQXA88E54EwW7@jajones.demon.co.uk>

In message <77.2988a63.26157fce@aol.com>, Pherber@aol.com writes
>Oh dear, have we been rambling on about Snarly again?  Don't sugar-coat it, 
>Russ, tell us how you really feel!  <snicker> 

We *always* ramble on about Snarly. The Lyst could be discussing the
fact that the world is going to be hit be an asteroid next week, and
there will be a thread discussing how he would react to this, what
clothes he would be wearing at the time, and isn't he sexy when he's
worried that he's about to die...
-- 
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
        The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.

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Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 10:56:23 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] cost of email
Message-ID: <Marcel-1.46-0331095623-965Rr9i@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
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On Fri 31 Mar, Helm, Troy wrote:

> I've been on the web for the past ~5 years and its only been the past year
> ISPs have become free.  We still have to pay for the telephone bills (which
> cost the same for voice or data and the average person doesn't mind chatting
> on the phone so internet usage should be treated any differently).
> 
But when you're paying for a phone call, the other person doesn't preface
it with a recording of the entire previous conversation.

Kathryn (not Judith)

-- 
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Redemption '01  23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/

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Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 14:35:46 EST
From: Prmolloy@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Outfits
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Dana wrote:
> (Story underway about a long  weekend in which he acquires not one but two 
>cashmere sweaters. Well, you won't be reading it at Horizon.)

Keep us posted.  Perhaps this is a new area of fan interest.  Mattel could 
make little Avon dolls and we could dress him up exactly as we want.  Pat 
could keep him in those flamboyant outfits, Dana as she desires, and the rest 
could have a field day with leather, or not <g>  Well, maybe those would be 
the life-size Avon dolls that Horizon won't sell either <gg>
 
> I saw Harvest of Kairos for the first time earlier this week. After such
>. spiders, what forgiveness? If they didn't have any money, why not just
> oppose the sopron with a 1984-style inverse sopron (something that shows you
> whatever is the Worst Thing in the World to you)? Then all you need is a
> couple of reaction shots. It's even CHEAPER than building Brian the Spider.

Watch it again, turn the volume down, and play the Who.  John Entwhistle's 
low bass voice growling "Boris the spider ..." would have been the perfect 
soundtrack.

Trish

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Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 19:15:04 +0100
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Time Squad - A Cally Perspective (long)
Message-ID: <yt4rCOAosO54Ew1h@jajones.demon.co.uk>

In message <btLCaAAVhL54EwBT@wriding.demon.co.uk>, Russ Massey
<russ@wriding.demon.co.uk> writes
>Here it is then - the threatened first part of a series that'll never be
>completed in a million years. An analysis of the B7 episodes solely
>from Cally's point of view.

Trying very hard here for non-INTx behaviour - nice post, keep doing
them.
-- 
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
        The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.

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Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 21:11:19 +0100
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] net access
Message-ID: <DDrH5eAnZQ54EwxL@jajones.demon.co.uk>

In message <200003310834.CAA02915@interlock.csw.com>, Helm, Troy
<thelm@csw.com> writes
>I've been on the web for the past ~5 years and its only been the past year
>ISPs have become free.  We still have to pay for the telephone bills (which
>cost the same for voice or data and the average person doesn't mind chatting
>on the phone so internet usage should be treated any differently).

Yes, quite a few of us still have to pay metered rates for the telephone
connection - which is one of the reasons why it would be appreciated if
you would conform to the convention that one puts one's reply beneath
what one is replying to, and trims irrelevant material from the quoted
post. Read the FAQ for this list, it's on the list's website, the top
page of which is at
http://www.lysator.liu.se/~calle/b7list/

The other reason is that it adds to the legibility of your post. You are
about to go in my killfile - not because I find your posts boring,
they're not, but because my hands hurt again and I can't be bothered
scrolling up and down trying to make sense of your posts. Fortunately I
take the individual messages rather than the digest version of the list,
so this option is open to me. Those who for whatever reason take the
digest may have no option but to scroll through the summary of the
thread you provide on each of your posts, if they want to see any posts
after yours in the digest.

That goes for the rest of the Outhouse Depress style quoters. Troy was
just unfortunate enough to be the author of the first one I opened this
evening. I normally try to do this off-list, and more politely, but
there's been a plague of top-posting, HTML and "it was only a little
binary" recently. You (general you, not just the person who sparked off
this rant) *will* be killfiled by some variable number of Lystians for
repeatedly posting like this. Presumably you post because you want
people to read what you have to say, it is as well to take a few seconds
of your own time to make your post more legible rather than expecting
other members of this list to take those few seconds extra of their time
to read your badly formatted post.
-- 
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
        The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.

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Date:   Fri, 31 Mar 2000 22:23:19 +0200
From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Time Squad - A Cally Perspective (long)
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Thank you for the analysis, Russ.  Very interesting.  More please!

Marian

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Date: Fri, 31 Mar 100 14:25:11 +0000
From: huh@ccm.net
To: lwillens@cch.com
Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Fwd: [B7L] net access
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Forwarded Message:
> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
> From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
> Subject: [B7L] net access
> Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 21:11:19 +0100
> -----
> In message <200003310834.CAA02915@interlock.csw.com>, Helm, Troy
> <thelm@csw.com> writes
> >I've been on the web for the past ~5 years and its only been the past year
> >ISPs have become free.  We still have to pay for the telephone bills (which
> >cost the same for voice or data and the average person doesn't mind chatting
> >on the phone so internet usage should be treated any differently).
> 
> Yes, quite a few of us still have to pay metered rates for the telephone
> connection - which is one of the reasons why it would be appreciated if
> you would conform to the convention that one puts one's reply beneath
> what one is replying to, and trims irrelevant material from the quoted
> post. Read the FAQ for this list, it's on the list's website, the top
> page of which is at
> <a 
href="http://www.lysator.liu.se/~calle/b7list/">http://www.lysator.liu.se/~calle
/b7list/</a>
> 
> The other reason is that it adds to the legibility of your post. You are
> about to go in my killfile - not because I find your posts boring,
> they're not, but because my hands hurt again and I can't be bothered
> scrolling up and down trying to make sense of your posts. Fortunately I
> take the individual messages rather than the digest version of the list,
> so this option is open to me. Those who for whatever reason take the
> digest may have no option but to scroll through the summary of the
> thread you provide on each of your posts, if they want to see any posts
> after yours in the digest.
> 
> That goes for the rest of the Outhouse Depress style quoters. Troy was
> just unfortunate enough to be the author of the first one I opened this
> evening. I normally try to do this off-list, and more politely, but
> there's been a plague of top-posting, HTML and "it was only a little
> binary" recently. You (general you, not just the person who sparked off
> this rant) *will* be killfiled by some variable number of Lystians for
> repeatedly posting like this. Presumably you post because you want
> people to read what you have to say, it is as well to take a few seconds
> of your own time to make your post more legible rather than expecting
> other members of this list to take those few seconds extra of their time
> to read your badly formatted post.
> -- 
> Julia Jones
> "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
>         The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
> 
> 

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Date: Fri, 31 Mar 100 14:27:15 +0000
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To: lwillens@cch.com
Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Fwd: Re: [B7L] Horizon discussion
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> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
> From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [B7L] Horizon discussion
> Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 08:09:48 +0100
> -----
> In message <77.2988a63.26157fce@aol.com>, Pherber@aol.com writes
> >Oh dear, have we been rambling on about Snarly again?  Don't sugar-coat it, 
> >Russ, tell us how you really feel!  <snicker> 
> 
> We *always* ramble on about Snarly. The Lyst could be discussing the
> fact that the world is going to be hit be an asteroid next week, and
> there will be a thread discussing how he would react to this, what
> clothes he would be wearing at the time, and isn't he sexy when he's
> worried that he's about to die...
> -- 
> Julia Jones
> "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
>         The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
> 
> 

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