From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V98 #101 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume98/101 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 101 Today's Topics: Re: [B7L] "Deliverance" Convention Re: [B7L] Good news and bad news [B7L] Gareth Thomas [B7L] Good news and bad news Re: [B7L] Good news and bad news [B7L] DSV 1 or 2 Re: [B7L] Neutral Zone report (1/2) [B7L] conventions Re: [B7L] Deliverance Re: [B7L] Deliverance report (2/2) [B7L] Re: Message for Pat Fenech Re: [B7L] Deliverance report (1/2) Re: [B7L] Neutral Zone report (1/2) [B7L] Kathryn's con reports Re: [B7L] Deliverance report (2/2) Re: [B7L] Gareth Thomas Re: [B7L] Deliverance report (1/2) [B7L] Re: Back from Deliverance [B7L] Redemption t-shirts Re: [B7L] Good news and bad news Re: [B7L] Good news and bad news Re: [B7L] Deliverance report (2/2) Re: [B7L] Re: Back from Deliverance Re: [B7L] Heavy drinking and sleep deprivation - the key to a great weekend. Re: [B7L] Heavy drinking and sleep deprivation - the key to a great weekend. [B7L] Deliverance - ConCom View Re: [B7L] "Deliverance" Convention ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 18:53:05 +0100 From: "Dangermouse" To: "Judith Proctor" , "Lysator List" Subject: Re: [B7L] "Deliverance" Convention Message-Id: <199804041810.TAA23993@gnasher.sol.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Some of the cast, Gareth and Michael in particular, struck me as absolute > troopers, fitting in an extra signing and carrying right onto the end of an > almost impossibly long queue even though they both looked very tired. And Jan Chappell, who wandered along the queue signing autographs (a trait she learned from me and Terrance Dicks at the Shakedown signing in 95!) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 18:56:47 +0100 From: "Dangermouse" To: "Reuben Herfindahl" , Subject: Re: [B7L] Good news and bad news Message-Id: <199804041810.TAA23996@gnasher.sol.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > What a terrible prospect, what they really should do is round up the bloke > that wrote the recent Doctorless Doctor Who novel, Face of the Enemy. Seems > to me he could probably do a pretty good PGP story ;-) Especially considering that the villain is blatantly Jackie Pearce? I'm flattered but... A) I'm already doing one for Judith Proctor, which may even be finished sometime before that asteroid hits the Earth, and B) I reckon they should get Chris Boucher to do it - he is *the* Blake's 7 writer, after all. (But if they asked, I'd do it like a shot) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 14:43:49 EST From: penny_kjelgaard@juno.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Gareth Thomas Message-ID: <19980404.113701.12023.2.Penny_Kjelgaard@juno.com> Is Gareth married? Does he have children? Peace, Penny _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 14:43:49 EST From: penny_kjelgaard@juno.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Good news and bad news Message-ID: <19980404.113701.12023.3.Penny_Kjelgaard@juno.com> Seems to me they could take suggestions from the fan fic and go from there. Is that BENEATH them as professionals? From what I gather there may be some better fan fic than some of the episodes in the series itself. Peace, Penny PS...They ought to hold a contest through HORIZON for scripts...then maybe they'd come up with a good one. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 12:16:59 -0800 From: Helen Krummenacker To: penny_kjelgaard@juno.com CC: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Good news and bad news Message-ID: <3526953C.5969@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit penny_kjelgaard@juno.com wrote: > > Seems to me they could take suggestions from the fan fic and go from > there. Is that BENEATH them as professionals? From what I gather there > may be some better fan fic than some of the episodes in the series > itself. > > Peace, > Penny > > PS...They ought to hold a contest through HORIZON for scripts...then > maybe they'd come up with a good one. > >They can't take ideas from fanfics without permission, because that would be a form of plagarism, We're being allowed to borrow series concepts for fanfics as we're not trying to make profits, and it isn't worth for anyone he time money and bad publicity involved in stopping fanfics. But they can't take what we write without permission for fear of lawsuits. However, a contest would get around that problem, because the winner would get an award and by enterin, would be giving permission for it's use. That's a great idea! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Apr 98 21:02:12 BST From: pdbean@argonet.co.uk (Patrick Bean) To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] DSV 1 or 2 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain On Mon 30 Mar 98 (14:10:31 +0200), blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se wrote: > Too bad for Raiker, that they had a leader of Blakes quality aboard, > and that the DSV 1 just happened to be hanging around... >;-) Was that not DSV 2? just out of interest have any stories been written about how the ship got there in the first place? -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / pdbean@argonet.co.uk (Patrick David Bean) | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ Web http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pdbean ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 21:57:19 +0100 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Neutral Zone report (1/2) Message-ID: In message , Kathryn Andersen writes > >Neutral Zone >20th-22nd March 1998 > >reported by Kathryn Andersen > >Friday 20th March > >I had breakfast with Annie and Linda, checked in to the convention - >they spelled my surname wrong of course, so after an attempt to change >the 'o' to an 'e' I gave up and blacked out my surname entirely, >Judith and Julie enter from opposite sides of the stage, both wearing ^ For someone who has so much trouble with people misspelling her own name, you are remarkably careless with the names of others :^) -- Julia Jones "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 19:34:02 -0800 From: Pat Patera To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] conventions Message-ID: <3525AA2A.7422@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit penny_kjelgaard@juno.com wrote: > Hey, gang. Its time for our next Blake Bash! Wish it weren't such a fer piece ':( Speaking of bashes, is anyone on this list going to the US summer sci-fi conventions in California this summer? BayCon on Memorial Day weekend or WesterCon over the 4th of July? I'd be interested in finding hotel roomies for both. Pat Patera ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 20:08:43 -0800 From: Pat Patera To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Deliverance Message-ID: <3525B24B.174E@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alison Page wrote: > Themes of space and darkness.. coming up over and over again. > > One final question. Do we like B7 because we are ..umm.. unusual types, or > does it drive us to it? Or like Avon, are we neither mad nor bad, just .. > uhhh.. stressed out? An interesting question. I was solid into Blakes7 while living in metropolitan Southern California. The bleakness of the show seemed to reflect the deadness of that paved over environment. And yes, life was in the fast lane in '80s LA. At the time, I couldn't bear to rewatch my Robin of Sherwood tapes, for they would make me yearn too dearly for the wide Wisconsin greenleaf forests I had left behind. Now I live on the harsh high plains desert, nestled up between the toes of the High Sierra range. Xena seems to best personify the challenging nature of this environment. Unusual types? That would apply to most everyone you'd meet at any sort of science fiction convention. People who can see beyond the veil of the mundane must seem strange to the majority. In the land of the blind, the one-eyed (wo)man is an alien freak. Pat ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 00:12:10 +0100 From: "Diva" To: "Kathryn Andersen" , "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] Deliverance report (2/2) Message-ID: <01bd601f$18a59780$55645f8e@diva> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In her report >Deliverance 1998 >27th-29th March 1998 Kathryn Andersen writes: "It's fen that make fandom go around, never forget it". Well I'd never have guessed it from her mean-spirited review of the Deliverance convention. 11 pages of non-stop griping because - horror of horrors - she had to fill in TWO forms for the art show, and other such world-shaking stuff. There's so much I disagree with in her review that I'll have to summarize, but some things should be said: Kathryn complains that the con was run with "officious infefficiency" and yet her own review makes it clear that the con staff always took pains to get her information even if they didn't know all the answers straight away. Hardly very officious. She also neglects to point out that this was a charity event run by volunteers who gave up a lot of their time and missed a lot of the events themselves so that B7 fans could come together. If she had better ideas of how to run things, why didn't she offer to help before the con or help with the events she criticizes? And in an 11 page review couldn't she have had the grace to thank those people for giving her a chance to enjoy the company of fans and guests? As Kathryn managed to notice, the guests do indeed have their own minds and I happen to know that one reason some events ran late was because the kind-hearted guests were anxious to ensure that everyone got an autograph, a smile or a picture. Yes, the autograph queues were long, but people who missed out one day were given priority the day after, and the REASON the queues were long was because, just like Kathryn, everyone wanted to talk to the cast that Diane Gies and the committee worked so hard to bring to the con. And by the way, if Diane referred to them as "my guests" I think she earned that right by her endless hard work for B7 fans. I think that it's people like Diane Gies, Judith Smith and Judith Rolls who "make fandom go around"; let the whingers do better before they complain. But then Kathryn neglected to mention her own interest in all this, namely that her friend Ms Proctor is organizing the Redemption con which will no doubt be perfect in all respects thanks to Kathryn's omniscience. This con is being run by a different committee although they are currently using the slogan "After Deliverance comes Redemption" which I think is pretty cheeky of them, particularly in the light of Kathryn's (endless) criticism. Kathryn, what really matters is that the con gave people a chance to come together, have fun, and help a good cause. What a shame you chose to look for the bad in everything; personally I enjoyed Deliverance very much. So: "I couldn't agree with you less". Diva@tn.prestel.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 18:31:10 -0500 From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: "Blake's 7 (Lysator)" Subject: [B7L] Re: Message for Pat Fenech Message-ID: <199804041831_MC2-38FD-4000@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Narrelle asked us to inform Pat Fenech that her >novel, Witching Ways, has been shortlisted in the George Turner Award! Congratulations, Narrelle! I'm not sure which of us Pat will reach next, but she'll certainly get the message before long. Harriet ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 19:49:46 -0500 (EST) From: Claudia Marie To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Deliverance report (1/2) Message-Id: <199804050049.TAA23464@shell2.tiac.net> Thanks for all the convention reports, folks! It doesn't make up for not being there, but it's something. kat@welkin.apana.org.au (Kathryn Andersen) wrote: > The line wasn't moving fast, but each guest did seem to be chatting a > bit, but some theoreticians had declared that the slowness of the line > must be due to the garrulity of Gareth Thomas. *laugh* Some reached the same conclusion at Visions '95 (I believe it was), when B7 table was Gareth, Paul, and Brian Blessed. Fact is, it was at least as much Brian's 'fault', as it was his first con ever and he was delighting in meeting all the fans and talking about them rather than about him (oh, he's a sweetie--I asked for a hug and he was willing and it was the best pick-you-off-your-toes bear hug of my life). But Gareth has that reputation, so that's what people thought. Maybe it was even true, at Deliverance. > The secret of projecting your voice is relaxation and practice. "British actors don't *need* microphones!" That was the unofficial slogan of Visions, which Brian and Gareth kept booming out. > (Something I kept happily in mind in the fancy dress: even though I > had a microphone, singing needs the vocal chords even more than > speaking does.) Oh, and if you get nervous you don't breathe deep enough and your voice gets all wispy. I hate that. > "More truth than real" was someone in the audience's suggestion when > Gareth asked if we could describe acting in four words. He was > impressed with that, but launched into his "real for now" anecdote to > further illuminate the point. Details? If you don't mind. :) Claudia -- "Three million years in the future, the only suriving human rebel is Kerr Avon, his only companions, a creature that evolved from his pet thief, and a hologram of his dead shipmate, Gan. Additional; it has been two months since we discovered the still working ancient cloning facilities in deep space and Avon is running out of Blake's to shoot." --John McKenzie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 12:47:00 +1000 From: Kathryn Andersen To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Neutral Zone report (1/2) Message-ID: <19980405124700.61586@welkin.apana.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sat, Apr 04, 1998 at 09:57:19PM +0100, Julia Jones wrote: > In message , Kathryn Andersen > writes > > > >Neutral Zone > >20th-22nd March 1998 > > > >reported by Kathryn Andersen > > > >Friday 20th March > > > >I had breakfast with Annie and Linda, checked in to the convention - > >they spelled my surname wrong of course, so after an attempt to change > >the 'o' to an 'e' I gave up and blacked out my surname entirely, > > >Judith and Julie enter from opposite sides of the stage, both wearing > ^ > > For someone who has so much trouble with people misspelling her own > name, you are remarkably careless with the names of others :^) Ulp! Sorry! I think I must have mentally been switching between the two, thinking you went by both. -- _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen / \ | http://connexus.apana.org.au/~kat \_.--.*/ | #include "std/disclaimer.h" v | ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 23:00:55 EST From: penny_kjelgaard@juno.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Kathryn's con reports Message-ID: <19980404.195415.9663.1.Penny_Kjelgaard@juno.com> Thanks so much Kathryn! I put myself in your shoes and felt very good about going (vicariously) to the cons. I also went to your web pages and really enjoyed them. Is the counter working? It said I was the first one to go there. Do I get a prize? Lots of nice pictures. Gareth is a big man. (I am married to a big man and find them quite appealing.) Peace, Penny PS...Anyone every venturing to a con in the Seattle region look me up. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 14:17:36 +1000 From: Kathryn Andersen To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] Deliverance report (2/2) Message-ID: <19980405141736.65509@welkin.apana.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sun, Apr 05, 1998 at 12:12:10AM +0100, Diva wrote: > > In her report > > >Deliverance 1998 > >27th-29th March 1998 > > Kathryn Andersen writes: > > "It's fen that make fandom go around, never forget it". > > Well I'd never have guessed it from her mean-spirited review of the > Deliverance convention. 11 pages of non-stop griping because - horror of > horrors - she had to fill in TWO forms for the art show, and other such > world-shaking stuff. There's so much I disagree with in her review that I'll > have to summarize, but some things should be said: "11 pages of non-stop griping" just because I was almost the only one who dared say anything critical. Geeze. > Kathryn complains that the con was run with "officious infefficiency" and > yet her own review makes it clear that the con staff always took pains to > get her information even if they didn't know all the answers straight away. > Hardly very officious. The contrast was with the attitudes which were conveyed before the convention, with all the rules, regulations, and forms, which were irritating, but completely understandable if such things had resulted in a smoother-running convention, but they did not. It was many little niggling things, which in themselves weren't much, but added up to something more than little. The fact that, for example, it took a couple of hours to track down the fancy-dress organizer is hardly an example of efficiency, is it? Now, at some other con, this would have been an example of a relaxed, laid-back atmosphere, but this con was not relaxed. A very relaxed, laid-back con, for example, would have had a fancy-dress organized along the lines of "hey you, you're in costume, come up and be part of the fancy dress." (Yes, I've been to cons where they did exactly that.) This con had the worst of both worlds. And a number of the problems that they had were *preventable*. > She also neglects to point out that this was a > charity event run by volunteers who gave up a lot of their time and missed a > lot of the events themselves so that B7 fans could come together. If she had > better ideas of how to run things, why didn't she offer to help before the > con or help with the events she criticizes? Of course I know that it was run by volunteers with a con-charity - like *any other* fan-run con. And it was other fan-run cons I was comparing it with. As for offering to help, like really I could do anything all the way from Australia? Help with the events I criticised? As if I could actually organise the Art Show or the Fancy Dress having come in from overseas? Don't be ridiculous. I did more than most people - I actually contributed to the entertainment. > As Kathryn managed to notice, the guests do indeed have their own minds and > I happen to know that one reason some events ran late was because the > kind-hearted guests were anxious to ensure that everyone got an autograph, a > smile or a picture. Yes, the autograph queues were long, but people who > missed out one day were given priority the day after, and the REASON the > queues were long was because, just like Kathryn, everyone wanted to talk to > the cast that Diane Gies and the committee worked so hard to bring to the > con. And by the way, if Diane referred to them as "my guests" I think she > earned that right by her endless hard work for B7 fans. Autograph queues - well I did point out, which you failed to notice, that that may well have been an insoluble problem. Running on time? Well, sometimes you have to be ruthless. Diane earned it? But didn't Judith Rolls and Judith Smith earn it *just as much*? > I think that it's people like Diane Gies, Judith Smith and Judith Rolls who > "make fandom go around"; let the whingers do better before they complain. > But then Kathryn neglected to mention her own interest in all this, namely > that her friend Ms Proctor is organizing the Redemption con which will no > doubt be perfect in all respects thanks to Kathryn's omniscience. This con > is being run by a different committee although they are currently using the > slogan "After Deliverance comes Redemption" which I think is pretty cheeky > of them, particularly in the light of Kathryn's (endless) criticism. This is completely uncalled for. I spoke out of *more than ten years* of going to conventions, all fan-run conventions for charity run by volunteers. I spoke particularly with Neutral Zone in mind, which I had just attended the week before, which is a con that looks better and better in retrospect (though if you actually read my Neutral Zone report you will notice that it got some criticism too). To declare that I am a stooge for Judith is just... words fail me. Your vitriol in this respect just makes you look spiteful. If there are lessons to be learned from Deliverance's mistakes, Judith is quite capable of learning them for herself, and doesn't need me kibbitzing to enable her to try to run a good con. "After Deliverance comes Redemption" - well, it does, doesn't it? In more ways than one. It is, after all, the next Blake's 7 con after Deliverance, and in the Blake's 7 episode order, Redemption comes after Deliverance too. (Though for that logic, there should be a con in between called "Orac"...) > Kathryn, what really matters is that the con gave people a chance to come > together, have fun, and help a good cause. What a shame you chose to look > for the bad in everything; personally I enjoyed Deliverance very much. So: > "I couldn't agree with you less". For many people who had nothing to compare it with, Deliverance was the best of all possible cons. For me, it wasn't - except for the people that went there. As I said, it may simply have been that it was too big. Yes, Worldcons are bigger, but they are a whole other order of conventions. Kathryn Andersen -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- "...but in future, I would prefer something a little more reliable than hope." -- Kerr Avon to Roj Blake (Blake's 7: Horizon [B4]) -- _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen / \ | http://connexus.apana.org.au/~kat \_.--.*/ | #include "std/disclaimer.h" v | ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 14:26:47 +1000 From: Kathryn Andersen To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] Gareth Thomas Message-ID: <19980405142647.14999@welkin.apana.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sat, Apr 04, 1998 at 02:43:49PM -0500, penny_kjelgaard@juno.com wrote: > Is Gareth married? Does he have children? > Yes. -- _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen / \ | http://connexus.apana.org.au/~kat \_.--.*/ | #include "std/disclaimer.h" v | ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 14:26:11 +1000 From: Kathryn Andersen To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] Deliverance report (1/2) Message-ID: <19980405142611.43494@welkin.apana.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sat, Apr 04, 1998 at 07:49:46PM -0500, Claudia Marie wrote: > > > "More truth than real" was someone in the audience's suggestion when > > Gareth asked if we could describe acting in four words. He was > > impressed with that, but launched into his "real for now" anecdote to > > further illuminate the point. > > Details? If you don't mind. :) Ah. This is a favourite anecdote of Gareth's - he told it at Event Horizon also. Others will probably remember it better than I, but here goes: A friend of Gareth's had a small daughter, and they were attending a pantomime. Said daughter got upset and frightened by what was going on, and her father was desperately trying to calm her down, saying "It isn't real, it isn't real, this is just pretend." Eventually the little girl calms down, and then remarks, "But it's real for now." Acting is "real for now." Kathryn Andersen -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- "History happens. Even when I'm not around." "Only by accident." -- The Doctor and Kadiatu (Doctor Who - the New Adventures: "Transit" by Ben Aaronovitch) -- _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen / \ | http://connexus.apana.org.au/~kat \_.--.*/ | #include "std/disclaimer.h" v | ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Apr 98 04:41:00 GMT From: s.thompson8@genie.geis.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Back from Deliverance Message-Id: <199804050501.FAA03870@rock103.genie.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Julia quoted me and said: >> and I know just what expression Julia has when she's >>drooling over Avon. >> >And if you need to be reminded, you can always look at the inside cover >of _The Logic of Empire_. > >Odd thing, that. Several people at the con thought that picture looked >like me, in at least one case to the extent of assuming I was the model. >Yet I showed it to a couple of people at work earlier this week, and >they couldn't see it at all. Good heavens. I immediately ran and looked, and sure enough, that =does= look rather like you in your sultry mode. If the people at work don't see the resemblance, perhaps that's because you have kept your mind on the job and have virtuously refrained from thinking about the red leather trousers while there. :) Kathryn, I enjoyed your comprehensive con reports. I blush to admit that I had to look twice before I recognized you and Judith, since you both have had new and different haircuts since last I saw you. FWIW, I like the new styles in both cases. Sarah Thompson ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 23:14:22 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: [B7L] Redemption t-shirts Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Having had even more requests for Redemption t-shirts (is this design popular or what?) I'm going to be printing another batch shortly. Prices are 8.50 pounds UK, 9 pounds Europe, 10.20 pounds or $17 cash USA or 10.60 pounds Aus/NZ. XL costs 50p extra. All prices include postage. I'll wait a week or two to see what orders come in, and then I'll print. If you e-mail me your t-shirt size in advance, then I can print while waiting for the money to arrive. The design is of Liberator fighting a shadow from Babylon 5 - those who were at Deliverance probably saw several people wearing them, including two of the guests. The design, drawn by Kathryn Andersen, can also be seen on the convention web page - address below. Judith PS. Cheques chould be payable to Redemption. My address is 28 Diprose Rd, Corfe Mullen, Wimborne, Dorset, BH21 3QY, England -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 22:58:51 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] Good news and bad news Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Sat 04 Apr, penny_kjelgaard@juno.com wrote: > Seems to me they could take suggestions from the fan fic and go from > there. Is that BENEATH them as professionals? From what I gather there > may be some better fan fic than some of the episodes in the series > itself. It's not as simple as that. There are potential copyright problems involved and thus TV companies tend to be very reluctant to look at unsolicited ideas/scripts for fear of being hit with nuisance lawsuits if they happen to use anything similar to a proposed idea. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 23:05:36 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] Good news and bad news Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Sat 04 Apr, Dangermouse wrote: > > What a terrible prospect, what they really should do is round up the > bloke > > that wrote the recent Doctorless Doctor Who novel, Face of the Enemy. > Seems > > to me he could probably do a pretty good PGP story ;-) > > Especially considering that the villain is blatantly Jackie Pearce? > > I'm flattered but... > > A) I'm already doing one for Judith Proctor, which may even be finished > sometime before that asteroid hits the Earth, and Do I get to see 'The First Casualty' before Redemption? Be nice to be able to sell it at the con . > > B) I reckon they should get Chris Boucher to do it - he is *the* Blake's 7 > writer, after all. Too true. He did nearly all my favourite scripts. > > (But if they asked, I'd do it like a shot) Who wouldn't! (All I need to do is to convince Brian Lighthill that an ability to write fanfic compensates for my total lack of radio experience.... Somehow, though, I don't think he'll go for it) Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 09:05:28 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] Deliverance report (2/2) Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Sun 05 Apr, Diva wrote: > As Kathryn managed to notice, the guests do indeed have their own minds and > I happen to know that one reason some events ran late was because the > kind-hearted guests were anxious to ensure that everyone got an autograph, a > smile or a picture. So run the fancy dress without celebrity judges. Judge it with a fan panel or by audience applause. > I think that it's people like Diane Gies, Judith Smith and Judith Rolls who > "make fandom go around"; let the whingers do better before they complain. > But then Kathryn neglected to mention her own interest in all this, namely > that her friend Ms Proctor is organizing the Redemption con which will no > doubt be perfect in all respects thanks to Kathryn's omniscience. This con > is being run by a different committee although they are currently using the > slogan "After Deliverance comes Redemption" which I think is pretty cheeky > of them, particularly in the light of Kathryn's (endless) criticism. That is totally uncalled for. For one thing, Kathryn is one of the most moral people I know (she's a pracricing Christian and lives by her beliefs). She would not alter her opinion of something one iota to suit any interest of mine. Two, I've already stated publically on this list that I don't expect Redemption to be perfect. It is inevitable that we will make mistakes. We'll avoid some of the mistakes that Deliverance made, but being a smaller convention we won't have similar magnitude problems with autograph lines etc and thus our task is easier in some areas. Doubtless we will make some mistakes that they didn't. Thirdly, if Kathryn had been trying to persuade people to come to Redemption, she would have praised Deliverance to the heavens, not criticised it. Think about it. What makes people want to go to a convention? A glowing con report makes people want to go to another one. A critical report - of any convention - will make someone who has never been to a convention think twice. Fourthly, Kathryn has no connection with Redemption, apart from having kindly designed the t-shirts for us. She lives, as she pointed out, in Australia. It's highly unlikely that she will even come to Redemption, let alone be able to help with it. > > Kathryn, what really matters is that the con gave people a chance to come > together, have fun, and help a good cause. What a shame you chose to look > for the bad in everything; personally I enjoyed Deliverance very much. So: > "I couldn't agree with you less". > > Diva@tn.prestel.co.uk Kathryn was willing to sign her name to what she said. Are you going to do so or do you prefer to criticise her anonymously? Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 21:27:53 +1000 From: Kathryn Andersen To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Back from Deliverance Message-ID: <19980405212753.07290@welkin.apana.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sun, Apr 05, 1998 at 04:41:00AM +0000, s.thompson8@genie.geis.com wrote: > Julia quoted me and said: > > >And if you need to be reminded, you can always look at the inside cover > >of _The Logic of Empire_. > > > >Odd thing, that. Several people at the con thought that picture looked > >like me, in at least one case to the extent of assuming I was the model. > >Yet I showed it to a couple of people at work earlier this week, and > >they couldn't see it at all. > > Good heavens. I immediately ran and looked, and sure enough, that =does= > look rather like you in your sultry mode. I was one of the people who thought it looked like Julia, I admit! > Kathryn, I enjoyed your comprehensive con reports. I blush to admit that I > had to look twice before I recognized you and Judith, since you both have had > new and different haircuts since last I saw you. FWIW, I like the new > styles in both cases. Don't feel too bad Sarah! I didn't recognise Judith at first myself, and I think *my* new hairstyle completely baffled all the people I'd met at MediaWest last year. Barbara T. couldn't place me at all, and only realized it was me by a process of elimination. Didn't stop us having a great natter in the train, though... (-8 Kathryn Andersen -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Jarriere: [Points gun at Travis] Just stay where you are. Travis: That your new muscle, Servalan? Looks like a powder puff. (Blake's 7: Gambit [B11]) -- _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen / \ | http://connexus.apana.org.au/~kat \_.--.*/ | #include "std/disclaimer.h" v | ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 21:41:15 +1000 From: Kathryn Andersen To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] Heavy drinking and sleep deprivation - the key to a great weekend. Message-ID: <19980405214115.00953@welkin.apana.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Mon, Mar 30, 1998 at 04:17:41PM +0100, Iain Coleman wrote: > > 3) I got to act with Gareth Thomas! Hah! (OK, it was only for a few > seconds, but I don't care.) Oh, was it *you* who did the "demonstration of anger"? Or should that be, the "interaction of anger"? Congrats - I would have crumpled up into a ball, I think! -- _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen / \ | http://connexus.apana.org.au/~kat \_.--.*/ | #include "std/disclaimer.h" v | ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 22:02:27 +1000 From: Kathryn Andersen To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] Heavy drinking and sleep deprivation - the key to a great weekend. Message-ID: <19980405220227.02654@welkin.apana.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Mon, Mar 30, 1998 at 07:37:24PM +0200, Calle Dybedahl wrote: > > And I got to hear Orac complain about food! I bet none of you out > there have ever done that! Now *what* was it that was said at the closing ceremony? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe it was: ORAC: Despite everything, I had a good time. SLAVE: I'm sorry, Master, but I had such a good time that there's nothing I can say sorry about. ZEN: Confirmed. I wonder when the video will be out? Despite the impression that some people may have gotten that I did nothing but complain, I *did* have a good time. Not enough time in the day, really. Oh, and if you want to know, the pronunciation is "Ca-leh" - more or less. Probably less than more! No, I made *no* attempt at "Dybedahl"! Kathryn Andersen -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Sharaz Jek: Where are you from - Earth? Peri: Yes. Doctor: No. Peri: Not exactly. Doctor: We travel a lot. (Doctor Who: The Caves of Androzani) -- _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen / \ | http://connexus.apana.org.au/~kat \_.--.*/ | #include "std/disclaimer.h" v | ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 12:24:28 +0100 From: JMR To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Deliverance - ConCom View Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19980405122428.00691f58@clara.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Some Words On Deliverance (in a personal capacity): I would just like to say, publically, that the ConCom of "Deliverance" were well aware of all the problems that arose over the weekend. However, having been on the ConCom of three other B7 cons, and closely involved with a number of others, I can categorically state that none of these problems were unique to "Deliverance". Problems will always arise at any large event. To expect no problems is an exercise in self-delusionment. It's how you deal with those problems that matters. Though I accept that some of the problems did pass the "First Line Of Defence", there were a vast number of others that were so promptly nipped in the bud that they never became an issue. Those attending the con. will have noticed that we had 12 hand-held radios and a base-station to facilitate the passage of information, and those who were either passing through Ops, or who were near those radios without headsets would have been aware of the continual traffic of information going between ConCom and staff. Yes, there were areas where we got things wrong, which, again, is not something unique to "Deliverance", but I hope that the enjoyment of our attendees and guests was always our priority. When we became aware of problems, we did what we could to resolve them, or to come up with a viable compromise as a solution (for instance, the Sunday night autograph session in the Main Hall, which was arranged "on the spot" to make sure EVERYONE got a chance to get all the signatures they wanted). I understand that rooms being locked caused several problems. Rooms were locked when not in use as a security measure. Even so, we had a studio quality VCR stolen on Saturday night. The problems arose when, for whatever reason, they were not unlocked at the correct times. The most glaring example of this, of course, has to be Sheelagh Wells' workshop. Sheelagh, from what I can gather, began her workshop outside the room rather than wait to start once the door was unlocked. We were aware of this, and were desperately trying to resolve it. Those attendees who had problems with their room cards refusing to "swipe" will know that the hotel's computer had a habit of cancelling access cards at unexpected moments, meaning that a new card had to be obtained and encoded from Reception. I believe that this was the case with Sheelagh's workshop. The staff of "Deliverance", Ops Managers, Events Managers, Stewards etc., all worked like SLAVES over the weekend, and so, thanks given to them at the closing ceremony was well-deserved. I know for a fact that the Stewards WERE thanked, because I, myself, thanked them in the list of staff that I had drawn up to read. Confusion over the Fancy Dress and Artshow does surprise me a little. I can't speak for the Artshow, as this wasn't in my jurisdiction, but I understood that the Fancy Dress Rehearsal on Saturday afternoon was to be an open forum for all those with or without forms who wished to participate, and that timing, running order etc. was to be worked out by the contestants themselves, under the (very experienced) direction of the two people who had volunteered to organise it. There were problems and mistakes at "Deliverance", but I honestly believe that ninety-nine percent of attendees had a great weekend that was unmarred by the over-running of items, length of queues etc. Certainly, the amount of people coming to Ops on Sunday night to tell us what a terrific weekend they had had would indicate that this is true. Not to mention the bottle of champagne delivered by an attendee as thanks! I have pointed out to people in the past that in the aftermath (no pun intended), the voices that ConComs hear the loudest are the critical ones. Therefore, every person who says "I had a wonderful weekend, thank you" is a blessing. I'm quite sure that Judith P. will discover at "Redemption" that those who stick their heads over the parapet to organise events become very easy targets. Myself, having been involved from both sides, I have nothing but praise and admiration for those who get on and organise things. Con runners need, and eventually develop, very thick skins. When you've tried your best to give so many people a good weekend, you take the brick-bats, even if they are deserved, very personally indeed. If anyone wants to discuss particular problems, air their grievances, or simply ask questions about why things were done the way they were, I would be more than happy to do my best to explain things. I hope, and sincerely believe, that most of the 750+ attendees had a great weekend. This does, judging from the bulk of the communication thus far received, seem to have been the case. Judith J.M. Rolls jager@clara.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 15:20:08 +0100 From: "Julie Horner" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] "Deliverance" Convention Message-Id: <199804051417.QAA06240@samantha.lysator.liu.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- > From: Judith Proctor Re: autograph queue : > The only thing I would suggest there is that someone go down the line at > intervals (which is what I tried to do when I was on duty) to let those waiting > know who was actually in the room. Being more ruthless about chopping the queue > at a certain length would have helped on occasions when a signing was of finite > length (such as when the room was needed for another item) as many people queued > who had no chance of getting an autograph in a particular session. Both excellent ideas. In particular I think the chopping of the queue should have been done much earlier. I was one of the last few to get signings when I queued, but there were many, many people behind me who missed out. It would be disappointing to be told "Not a chance this time around" but, given the other excellent idea of dishing out raffle tickets to those who missed out to give them priority next time, this would surely be preferable to standing there for two hours to get nothing. > > The only delayed event that really annoyed me was the fancy dress competition. > I left a workshop that I was really enjoying to get there at the specified time, > only to stand around for about an hour and a half. I can see that this would be really frustrating to those taking part, though on a personal basis I found the delay a bit of a bonus. As we don't get Rachel in bed until gone 7pm I had written off the fancy dress and was just looking forward to the cabaret. We were delighted when we found we were in time for both. >I don't know whether the > cause of the delay was waiting for judges or waiting for the hall seating to be > rearranged or something else. I am not sure the tables helped, what do other people think? Much of the seating space appeared to be wasted because nobody wanted to have their backs to the stage. But overall there was less space and those in late struggled to get somewhere to sit. > > I'll finish by saying thank you for all the hard work that the organisers put > into Deliverance. Being at a con is a bit like watching a swan swimming. You > can see the bird sailing on the water, but don't notice all the frantic paddling > underneath that is keeping everything afloat. > Absolutely! Having never been to any other cons I didn't know what to expect but I am open-mouthed with admiration at the people who give up so much of their own time to organize such a huge event. We definitely enjoyed ourselves and appreciate all the work which must have gone into this. Julie Horner -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V98 Issue #101 **************************************