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blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 118
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L] A.N.G.E.L.S
Re: [B7L] A.N.G.E.L.S
RE: [B7L] A.N.G.E.L.S
RE: [B7L] A.N.G.E.L.S
Re: [B7L] The good ones in season 4
[B7L] Research
Re: [B7L] Research
Re: [B7L] New frame captures
Re: [B7L] Research
Re: [B7L] The good ones in season 4
[B7L] Re: The good ones in season 4
[B7L] Re: The good ones in season 4
[B7L] Re: Pages Bar
Re: [B7L] The good ones in season 4
Re: [B7L] The good ones in season 4
Re: [B7L] The good ones in season 4
Re: [B7L] Deliverance pros & cons
[B7L] SC: Pages Bar
[B7L] bigot
[B7L] b7 movie soundtrack
Re: [B7L] A.N.G.E.L.S
[B7L] zine piracy
Re: [B7L] New frame captures
Re: [B7L] A.N.G.E.L.S
Re: [B7L] b7 movie soundtrack
[B7L] re Christopher Wheatley
Re: [B7L] Deliverance pros & cons
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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 17:33:09 -0800
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] A.N.G.E.L.S
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Bill Billingsley wrote:
>
> At 14:37 21/04/98 -0500, G.Robbins wrote:
> >On Tue, 21 Apr 1998, G. Robbins wrote:
> >> >On Mon, Apr 20, 1998 at 12:06:02PM -0500, G. Robbins wrote:
>
> Is this a private argument or can any multiple personality join in? :-)
>
> I sometimes wondered about starting a Servalan appreciation society, but
> rather than giving it an acronym, I thought Megolomaniacs Anonymous would
> do....
>
> ...and to borrow a very old joke...
>
> Megolomaniacs Anonymous. Meetings.
> Today, 7pm, room 14, town hall.
> Tomorrow, 8pm, the world.
>
> --------------------------------------------------------
> The Loch Mess Monster
> (occaisionally mistaken as Bill Billingsley)
But Bill (or Nessie), we will ALL want to be chairperson/president!
Helen aka Avona (sometimes disguised as Servalan)
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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 07:46:14 +1000
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "G. Robbins" <robbins@graceland.edu>
Cc: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] A.N.G.E.L.S
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On Tue, 21 Apr 1998, G. Robbins wrote:
> >On Mon, Apr 20, 1998 at 12:06:02PM -0500, G. Robbins wrote:
> >> I just wanted to let you know that I've created a sort of fan club. This
> >> club has no membership fees or anything like that. I formed it mainly to
> >> salve the appetites of Avon fans and give them an identity in this lonely
> >> place called cyberville. It is also for the inventive minds of literary
> >> enthusiasts, novice and professional.
>
> >Identity! We don't need no... ahem.
>
> >I hereby declare the existance of the virtual alignment
> >A.S.K.S. (Avon's Sympathetic Kindred Spirits)
> >for all us Avon-admirers who *don't* lust after Avon! (Even if it's only
> >me.)
>
> >On the other hand, one might simply scorn these acronymic groupings as
> >simple tribal behaviour, and hold oneself above it all... except that
> >one has to reach these primitive peoples in symbolism that they can
> >understand.
>
> <blushing, feeling two feet tall> Heh, finally being recognized for the
> person I really am. It's funny in the sense that if you fail to contribute
> you are scorned and if you contribute and fail you are scorned, too. In a
> free society I should that think that new ideas would be welcomed. Yet
> I'm so sensitive that any sort of criticism cracks my flesh like a whip.
> I caught up on this messages because of its pure cynicism, and it feels
> like the author was actually trying to hurt rather than giving me input to
> better the idea.
Nonononononononononononononononononononononono!
<blushing, feeling two feet tall>
I'm not like that, really I'm not!
I was thinking about A.S.K.S. long before this because I was tired of
all the acronym joke-groups like the A.S.S. and the P.D.S.G.
which were all slavering and drooling over Avon, (not to mention the
other joke-groups like B.I.T.C.H. for other characters) and I feel
very lonely as possibly the only Avon fan in the world who
doesn't want to lust, slaver or drool over Avon.
But I didn't say anything because I felt a bit silly to join in all
this joke-group stuff.
So when I saw what I thought was yet another joke-group that was
lusting over Avon, I took it as an opportunity to actually say
something about it.
I had no idea you were actually being serious. Not with all those
L.E.T.T.E.R.S.
> >The above is sprinkled with smilies, for the humour-impaired
>
> Oh really? I think I'll cry anyway.
Can I cry next to you?
> <Crawling back under the safety of the rock I was living under six months
> ago.>
>
> I'll be back next fall, maybe. I won't be missed.
Please forgive me!
Kathryn Andersen
A.S.K.S.
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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:19:53 +1200
From: "Graham, Gregory" <GrahamG@agresearch.cri.nz>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: RE: [B7L] A.N.G.E.L.S
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Except for those of us who have already become too powerful to be
limited to chairman/president. One will only settle for Supreme
Commander.
> ===============================================
> "The facts, though interesting, are irrelevant"
> ===============================================
> EvangeList, http://www.evangelist.macaddict.com/
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Helen Krummenacker [SMTP:avona@jps.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 1998 1:33 PM
> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
> Subject: Re: [B7L] A.N.G.E.L.S
>
> Bill Billingsley wrote:
> >
> > At 14:37 21/04/98 -0500, G.Robbins wrote:
> > >On Tue, 21 Apr 1998, G. Robbins wrote:
> > >> >On Mon, Apr 20, 1998 at 12:06:02PM -0500, G. Robbins wrote:
> >
> > Is this a private argument or can any multiple personality join in?
> :-)
> >
> > I sometimes wondered about starting a Servalan appreciation society,
> but
> > rather than giving it an acronym, I thought Megolomaniacs Anonymous
> would
> > do....
> >
> > ...and to borrow a very old joke...
> >
> > Megolomaniacs Anonymous. Meetings.
> > Today, 7pm, room 14, town hall.
> > Tomorrow, 8pm, the world.
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------
> > The Loch Mess Monster
> > (occaisionally mistaken as Bill Billingsley)
>
> But Bill (or Nessie), we will ALL want to be chairperson/president!
>
> Helen aka Avona (sometimes disguised as Servalan)
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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 13:30:16 +1000
From: Bill Billingsley <whb@bha.oz.au>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: RE: [B7L] A.N.G.E.L.S
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But even Servalan herself went from being Supreme Commander to wanting to
be President...
At 15:19 22/04/98 +1200, Graham Gregory wrote:
>
>Except for those of us who have already become too powerful to be
>limited to chairman/president. One will only settle for Supreme
>Commander.
>
- ----------------------------
Bill Billingsley
whb@bha.oz.au
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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:10:23 +0100
From: "Ian Lay" <ian@pacific-cc.demon.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>, "Lisa Williams" <lcw@dallas.net>
Subject: Re: [B7L] The good ones in season 4
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Lisa wrote:
>Borg, Peter: IEG wrote:
>
>>How you can possibly miss 'Harvest Of Kairos' off this list is beyond me!
>
>"Harvest" was 3rd season, not 4th.
>
I know I'm probably going to get crucified for this but I actually liked
"The Harvest of Kairos". Mainly because of Avon's obscession with his
"little rock". Also for Zen's reply to Servalan's question asking how "one
operates the ship". Zen replied "One manipulates the controls and the ship
acts accordingly". Sarcastic bloody computer!!
Ian "I don't suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute of it" Lay
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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:38:25 +0000 (GMT)
From: Una McCormack <umm10@eng.cam.ac.uk>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
cc: Space City <space-city@world.std.com>
Subject: [B7L] Research
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Hi all
Chris's request makes me kick myself into gear and remember that I have
been wanting to do a small study about B7 fandom for ages. The work I do
uses a nice methodology called Q which aims to investigate subjective
opinion, and then attempts to discover whether people cluster round
similar opinions / have shared subjectivities. What's nice about Q and
about Blake's 7 is that as part of the process I'll need to ask people to
rank their episodes in a (quasi) normal distribution - and there are the
right number of episodes to be able to do this! From this I'd be able to
work our whether you lot <g> have shared preferences in any way, or what
variety of shared preferences there are. (Hope this is making sense - I'm
*not* doing a good job of it!!)
What I'd love to do then is to ask people to talk about fandom in general
and do a similar sort of ranking exercise with a sample of what people
have said about fandom / being a fan. A statement such as the one Jackie
made is gold dust to me in doing this exercise:
>Remembering a 20 year old programme with fondness, is NOT the same as
>being a fan of the programme for 20 years.
I'm sure that there are people out there who agree, people who disagree
vehemently, people who agree with bits of this. I'd want to find out what
these permutations are.
What do people think? Would people like to be involved in a study like
this? It involves voicing your opinions and then getting to play with bits
of paper and voice some more of your opinions, plus learn about an
interesting methodology.
Not sure quite yet where I'd be able to publish something like this, but
I'm working on it!! I think I know a couple of friendly journals which
would indulge me!
Una
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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 12:15:27 +0100 (BST)
From: Iain Coleman <ijc@mail.nerc-bas.ac.uk>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Research
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Count me in on this one. It sounds interesting.
As for publication... I know the ideal journal, but I'm afraid it doesn't
exist yet: the Journal of Hawkwind Studies.
I'll explain. You know how sometimes at parties you get really drunk and
do things that you don't remember but everyone else does and reminds you
about constantly for ages afterward? Well, a few years ago I got really
pished at a party and apparently came up with a fully relativistic proof
that the band Hawkwind exists at all points in spacetime. I don't remember
the proof, and I couldn't find the envelope the next day, but the result
does make intuitive sense. With this in mind, a friend and I decided we
really should establish the Journal of Hawkwind Studies. This would print
research on any topic, however spurious or tangential, since everything in
the universe is, in a very real sense, Hawkwind. (Of course, Hawkwind is
concentrated more in certain regions, e.g. Motorhead albums, and less in
others, e.g. the Daily Telegraph, but is never entirely absent.) We
haven't got round to it yet, though, but I'm sure a paper on Blake's 7
would be viewed very favourably by the editors as that show clearly has a
very high Hawkwind field strength.
Yes, this is what years of theoretical physics, Philip K Dick novels and
cheap whisky do to the brain.
Iain
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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 21:06:11 -0700
From: Pat Patera <pussnboots@geocities.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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Graham, Gregory wrote:
> If I remember this properly BayBan is Colin(?) Baker with his curly
> locks. If that's correct then I nominate him for the best performance
> in a supporting role, best depiction of a psychopath, best delivery of
> insane lines and most gleeful reveling in evil ... This really was his finest hour.
>
Oh yes, yes, yes! "Babe" is a blast. When have we seen an actor so
delight in a villanous role? He relishes it even more than Jackie does
Servalan. The villians of Blakes 7 are (after fave anti-heroes) the best
parts of that show. What fabulous phycopaths: Kozner (sp?) the Beta
technician, would-be gods, has-been goddesses, fire-belching robots,
evil androids, floating heads in glass bottles, shrivled Molochs, the
giant brain that almost ate Cally, and the entire cast of hairy
barbarians. I love 'em all.
Pat P
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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 12:44:04 +0100
From: "Alison Page" <alison@alisonpage.demon.co.uk>
To: "Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Research
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Iain says -
> I'll explain. You know how sometimes at parties you get really drunk and
> do things that you don't remember but everyone else does and reminds you
> about constantly for ages afterward?
No, Iain I can't imagine you doing anything like that.. knock me over with
a feather.. etc. etc <g>
> haven't got round to it yet, though, but I'm sure a paper on Blake's 7
> would be viewed very favourably by the editors as that show clearly has a
> very high Hawkwind field strength.
Well, on space city they were discussing which songs were B7-ish and I was
going to say that the very first single I ever bought was Silver Machine,
and I think it is the perfect B7 song. So I can only agree.
Alison
PS Una, not sure what you are on about, but I'll join in if you like
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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 10:00:49 +0100
From: "Dangermouse" <master@sol.co.uk>
To: "Borg, Peter: IEG" <peter.borg@barclayscapital.com>,
<blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] The good ones in season 4
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> > Unmitigated Worthless Crap:
> >
> > Star Drive
> > Animals
> > Orbit
> >
> How you can possibly miss 'Harvest Of Kairos' off this list is beyond me!
Look at the subject heading...
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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 10:37:10 +0000 (GMT)
From: Una McCormack <umm10@eng.cam.ac.uk>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: The good ones in season 4
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Dangermouse said:
>Unmitigated Worthless Crap:
>
>Animals
No, I'm just *not* having this!!!
Una
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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 10:42:08 +0000 (GMT)
From: Una McCormack <umm10@eng.cam.ac.uk>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: The good ones in season 4
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Tom said:
>Animals. Yep, straight in the bin. Luckily it's on the same tape as
>Stardrive, so that's alright.
<Points finger in cruddy fashion> Bang, bang, bang. And other mature
responses! ;P
Una
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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 10:40:06 +0000 (GMT)
From: Una McCormack <umm10@eng.cam.ac.uk>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: Pages Bar
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>one of their many TVs (they have at least
>four small ones and one big screen one) will probably not be
>showing sci-fi, something about a certain big international
football tournament going on that month :-)
What, is it Euro 96 time again?!?
Una ;)
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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 10:03:19 +0100
From: "Dangermouse" <master@sol.co.uk>
To: "Tom Forsyth" <Tom.Forsyth@btinternet.com>,
"B7 Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] The good ones in season 4
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> From: Tom Forsyth <Tom.Forsyth@btinternet.com>
> To: B7 Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
> Dangermouse has obviously got his patch over the wrong eye:
>
> Surely not! I'll agree with the "goodies", but Orbit bad? OK, it's one
> massive plot device, but it does have a good payoff. Remember - without
> this, we wouldn't get to see Avon at the apogee (ooh - orbital mechanics
> pun!) of ruthlessness. And without that, you'd never know how far Avon
> would have gone down that path. But now we do know - all the way. Without
> passing GO or collecting his harp and wings. I think the fact that the
> second-longest-serving member of the crew was about to kill the
> longest-serving makes this stand out from the usual stuff. Not often you
> get the heroes being bigger bastards than the villains. Crap? Maybe,
> depending on how much you hate plot devices. Unmitigated? Not on your
life.
Not just a plot device - the acting is particularly bad as well.
> Except that HoK is saved by the big scary spider. After that, things like
> Puff the Magic Dragon in Weapon look positively scary. And the one real
> redeeming feature that it fixes the Liberator's top speed at fairly close
> to Std*12 (techhie scum that I am). Oh, and it's season 3, not 4.
Otherwise
> Ultraworld and Dawn of the Gods would be right there at the top of the
> list.
Actually I *like* Harvest Of Kairos...
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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:20:56 EDT
From: AChevron <AChevron@aol.com>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] The good ones in season 4
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In a message dated 98-04-22 06:47:59 EDT, you write:
<< I know I'm probably going to get crucified for this but I actually liked
"The Harvest of Kairos". Mainly because of Avon's obscession with his
"little rock". Also for Zen's reply to Servalan's question asking how "one
operates the ship". Zen replied "One manipulates the controls and the ship
acts accordingly". Sarcastic bloody computer!!
>>
I agree 100%. And of course, I can't resist Avon's rousing from his
monomania long enough to bail everyone out of the mess. Something about
Tarrant being shown up, I think! D. Rose
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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 17:02:14 +0100
From: "Ian Lay" <ian@pacific-cc.demon.co.uk>
To: "AChevron" <AChevron@aol.com>, <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] The good ones in season 4
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AChevron wrote:
>
> I agree 100%. And of course, I can't resist Avon's rousing from his
>monomania long enough to bail everyone out of the mess. Something about
>Tarrant being shown up, I think! D. Rose
Oh it's always nice when Tarrant gets shown up. Wouldn't it have been nice
if Vila had shot him at some point!! :-)
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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 12:16:23 -0400
From: Fiona Scarlett <fifitrix@compuserve.com>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Deliverance pros & cons
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> It is, after all, simply
>an opinion. It rolls off my back like water off a duck. I trust that we
>all can respect the words of (Thomas Jefferson?) who said something
>like: "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death
>your right to say it."
>Pat P
hear! hear!
I didn't go to/organize the CON either and I have to say - having heard a first hand account
of it from Jenni - that it sounded like I missed a really great time. Any party/convention/
event is going to have its problems and I have yet to hear any criticism of the Con that was
not constructive. That said, I do understand that when you have worked really hard on
something it can be difficult to take critism and often it can feel personal.
Anyone who organises an event which people pay money to attend has to be prepared to deal
with complaints about it.
so I say - grow up DIVA! - Adults can deal with this kind of thing in a professional manner
and do not have to resort to flaming. I am a Customer Support Professional and even the
nastiest and most Foul-mouthed customers (which Kathryn was clearly NO WHERE NEAR) can be
dealt with in a civil manner.
As for the issue of Diva remaining anonymous - Having called herself a CON organiser
then she should have identified herself.
Right - Rant over!
Fifitrix
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
fifitrix@compuserve.com
fscarlett@hotmail.com
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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 12:16:29 -0400
From: Fiona Scarlett <fifitrix@compuserve.com>
To: Space City <space-city@world.std.com>, Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] SC: Pages Bar
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>US B7 fans Carol, Teri, Tanya and Fiona are making a trip to
>the UK in June to see Steven Pacey's play (no comment!).
>......
>Steve Rogerson
so - I'm a US fan now am I - must tell Jenni when I see her tonight!!
"Hey Jenni - how does the Star Spangled Banner go again?"
fifitrix
fifitrix@compuserve.com
Pharmaceutically Enhanced Head Quarters
Chessington
Deepest Surrey
ENGLAND
!!!!!
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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 02:17:04 +1000
From: "Roger The Shrubber" <darrenro@ozonline.com.au>
To: "B7 Main List" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] bigot
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Neil F wrote
What if a pig-headed xenophobic bigot lurked in the depths of Jenna's
psyche? Not very flattering, true, but I've always found the murkier depths
of the mind to be far more interesting than the bright and shiny bits, and
a character is all the more interesting for his or her flaws
*****
Have to agree that this is a possibility - I have no evidence but a gut
feeling that if anyone in the crew was going to be a xenophobic bigot,
Jenna would have to be the #1 candidate. Tarrant and Dayna tying for second
and Soolin in 3rd place.
I can also see Orac as a potential bigot, though not really xenophobic.
I see Vila as being possibly the least racist - a bit like a Ferengi - he
would do business with anyone regardless of where they were from, as long
as there was a benefit/profit for him.
___________________________________
from Darren r ..... Comments are welcome !
powerplay@cheerful.com
____________________________________
"OK, here's a disc sander, maybe ratchet up the manliness just a tad."
______________________________________
"The Administration is out to get me"
_______________________________________
"In the end, winning is the only safety"
_________________________________________
"If man is art, can I just go out of here and make an exhibition of myself
?"
________________________________________
Was God an astronaut ?
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Anxiety & Panic
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http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/2634/powerplay.html
Blake's 7 FAQ & free screen savers
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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 02:39:42 +1000
From: "Roger The Shrubber" <darrenro@ozonline.com.au>
To: "B7 Main List" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] b7 movie soundtrack
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Just sitting here at the phospher glow under a Jim Beam influence, it's 2
am and I'm wading through a back-log of 450 B7 messages.
I am listening to the best of Gary Numan ("Premier Hits") and I'm convinced
that many of his tracks would be ideal fodder for a B7 movie soundtrack.
Very 80's , kinda futuristic, BBC- style synthesiser sounds.
Well they resurrected Lost In Space, someone somewhere with the bucks &
influence to make it happen surely must also see that B7 could make a great
movie. Even the just Servalan character rising through the Federation
Academy could make a great story ..... I see a beautiful, strong, ambitious
cadet who wants to rule the galaxy..... and in the movie she quite possibly
is black !
___________________________________
from Darren r ..... Comments are welcome !
powerplay@cheerful.com
____________________________________
"OK, here's a disc sander, maybe ratchet up the manliness just a tad."
______________________________________
"The Administration is out to get me"
_______________________________________
"In the end, winning is the only safety"
_________________________________________
"If man is art, can I just go out of here and make an exhibition of myself
?"
________________________________________
Was God an astronaut ?
_________________________________________
http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/2634
Anxiety & Panic
_________________________________________
http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/2634/powerplay.html
Blake's 7 FAQ & free screen savers
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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 06:26:52 -0800
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
CC: "G. Robbins" <robbins@graceland.edu>,
"Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] A.N.G.E.L.S
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>
> I was thinking about A.S.K.S. long before this because I was tired of
> all the acronym joke-groups like the A.S.S. and the P.D.S.G.
> which were all slavering and drooling over Avon, (not to mention the
> other joke-groups like B.I.T.C.H. for other characters) and I feel
> very lonely as possibly the only Avon fan in the world who
> doesn't want to lust, slaver or drool over Avon.
> But I didn't say anything because I felt a bit silly to join in all
> this joke-group stuff.
> So when I saw what I thought was yet another joke-group that was
> lusting over Avon, I took it as an opportunity to actually say
> something about it.
>
Once again, I say, I want to be in A.S.K.S.-- I am a kindred spirit, not
a luster, really I'm not.
Helen aka Avona
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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 10:05:36 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] zine piracy
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Linda and I now have a fair idea of who is copying my zines, but we won't say
who just yet. We'd prefer to have absolute proof.
Let's put it this way. Nobody except Linda (and a couple of people like Jim
Rondeau who agent for her at conventions) has permission to sell zines for me in
the US.
Nobody at all has permission to print my zines in quarto (I think Americans call
it legal or letter size) paper. If a zine isn't printed on A4 paper, then it is
a pirate copy. The genuine copies are about half an inch taller than a standard
US zine.
Linda has a printer who owns an A4 copying machine. The pirate does not. The
pirate is using a black spiral binding which is identical to the style Linda
uses. (and we rather suspect the pirate is copying other zines that Linda sells
as well as mine - it just happens that it's easier to spot illegal copies of
mine because of the difference in paper sizes)
Beware of 'second-hand' copies of my zines at conventions. We rather think this
person is running off copies and claiming that they are second-hand when she
sells them.
Pirate copies are of lower quality as the pirate does not have access to the
original masters. This really pisses me off, quite apart from the piracy angle,
as I put a lot of work into making the best quality zines that I can manage.
That beautiful cover on The Long Way Back deserves better than the grainy copy
that I see before me.
Zines like Forbidden Star Two have up to 20 contributors. That's a lot of free
copies compared to the size of the print run and it's a big overhead on the
costs. Anyone running off pirate copies does not have to pay for those 'trib
copies. (Neither has she had to put in many months hard work communicating with
writers and artists in order to put the zine together.) If I don't sell enough
zines to cover the cost of those 'trib copies, then I lose money. It's as
simple as that.
If you see any of those non-A4 zines at a convention, please complain to the
people running the convention and request that the zines be destroyed.
If you see any of my zines advertised mail order by anyone except myself, Linda
Knights or Jim Rondeau (or Pat Fenech in Australia), then be very very
suspicious. Be suspicious even if they are being sold 'second-hand'. (I know
people sell second-hand zines via this list on occasion, so I'll say immediately
that the person Linda and I suspect is not anyone I've seen posting on this
list.)
I'd very much appreciate being told of any of those zines that you come across,
and especially who you bought them from.
Judith
PS. A lot of zine publishers have been victims of other pirates in the past.
Horizon actually had material from some of their zines taken and published under
another name. EPS had her stuff reprinted in the US without permission, which
so upset her that it took me nearly two years to persuade her to allow a new
edition of Mindfire. One Australian publisher lost a lot of money after her
zines were copied in the USA. So many pirate copies were produced that she was
unable to sell those she had printed herself. You hear the horror stories, but
somehow you never think it will happen to you. In my case, it has.
--
http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7
Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/
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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 20:59:41 -0700
From: Pat Patera <pussnboots@geocities.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] New frame captures
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Nicola Collie wrote:
re:
> >BayBan? but he's just a pyschopath!
> But such a stylish psycopath...
and he's got even a bigger bamboozler than another psychotic mad genius.
>
> > <bounce> Tramila really needs to see lots of Vila pics.
> *sigh* Take cover, everyone, she's channeling Tigger again ;-)
who or what is Tigger?
> Actually, if we're voting for more than one ep, I'd like to plump for...
where did the expression, "plump for" come from? what does it really
mean?
> ...City, and Sarcophagus as well. But Assassin's still the top of my list.
Yes, and the thought of Servalan purchasing and owning Avon is a concept
that has launched a thousand fan stories *sigh*
Pat P
PS I wonder what the men on this list think about why some of the fem
become so bestirred by the thought of Avon in submissive postures
(kneeling, shackled, unconscious, etc). Is this just such a delightful
contrast to his usual supercillious arrogant posturing? The desire to
puncture an inflated balloon? Do the men get juiced over seeing Jenna
playing the submissive to the barbaric King of the Goths?
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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 20:58:27 -0800
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: "Graham, Gregory" <GrahamG@agresearch.cri.nz>
CC: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] A.N.G.E.L.S
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Graham, Gregory wrote:
>
> Except for those of us who have already become too powerful to be
> limited to chairman/president. One will only settle for Supreme
> Commander.
In that case, I think I'll apply for position of Goddess. :)
>
> > ===============================================
> > "The facts, though interesting, are irrelevant"
> > ===============================================
> > EvangeList, http://www.evangelist.macaddict.com/
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Helen Krummenacker [SMTP:avona@jps.net]
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 1998 1:33 PM
> > To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
> > Subject: Re: [B7L] A.N.G.E.L.S
> >
> > Bill Billingsley wrote:
> > >
> > > At 14:37 21/04/98 -0500, G.Robbins wrote:
> > > >On Tue, 21 Apr 1998, G. Robbins wrote:
> > > >> >On Mon, Apr 20, 1998 at 12:06:02PM -0500, G. Robbins wrote:
> > >
> > > Is this a private argument or can any multiple personality join in?
> > :-)
> > >
> > > I sometimes wondered about starting a Servalan appreciation society,
> > but
> > > rather than giving it an acronym, I thought Megolomaniacs Anonymous
> > would
> > > do....
> > >
> > > ...and to borrow a very old joke...
> > >
> > > Megolomaniacs Anonymous. Meetings.
> > > Today, 7pm, room 14, town hall.
> > > Tomorrow, 8pm, the world.
> > >
> > > --------------------------------------------------------
> > > The Loch Mess Monster
> > > (occaisionally mistaken as Bill Billingsley)
> >
> > But Bill (or Nessie), we will ALL want to be chairperson/president!
> >
> > Helen aka Avona (sometimes disguised as Servalan)
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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:24:38 -0800
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: Roger The Shrubber <darrenro@ozonline.com.au>
CC: B7 Main List <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] b7 movie soundtrack
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Roger The Shrubber wrote:
>
> Just sitting here at the phospher glow under a Jim Beam influence, it's 2
> am and I'm wading through a back-log of 450 B7 messages.
> I am listening to the best of Gary Numan ("Premier Hits") and I'm convinced
> that many of his tracks would be ideal fodder for a B7 movie soundtrack.
> Very 80's , kinda futuristic, BBC- style synthesiser sounds.
>
> Well they resurrected Lost In Space, someone somewhere with the bucks &
> influence to make it happen surely must also see that B7 could make a great
> movie. Even the just Servalan character rising through the Federation
> Academy could make a great story ..... I see a beautiful, strong, ambitious
> cadet who wants to rule the galaxy..... and in the movie she quite possibly
> is black !
>
Anyone in particular in mind? I wouldn't mind a black Servalan, but the
other day, I was thinking how incredibly interesting it would be if
Gwyneth Paltrow were to be the Supreme Commander and Buyer of Avon.
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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 20:40:12 +0100
From: Jackie <jackiew@termlow.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] re Christopher Wheatley
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Bill Billingsley wrote:
>
> Not meaning to ruffle any feathers, but I think Jackie's being a little
> unfair with some things here:
>
> At 20:31 21/04/98 +0100, Jackie wrote:
> >What I meant by *real fan* is some-one who has some knowledge and
> >opinions of their own, and not just asks how to contact the
> >actor/actresses. Are you not a member of any of the fan clubs? By
> >joining them you would get all the info you wanted. A long term fan
> >would have read fan club newsletters which would have answered all your
> >questions anyway. Especially on the subject of why we think the show
> >*IS* so popular, and why we think it different from other sci-fi of the
> >time; or, seeing that we are still fans of the programme, why we think
> >it different to sci-fi of ANY time.
> >
>
> I find this comment a little odd - "you must be a member of the fan club to
> be a fan" -- (kind of reminds me of some unions that used to force workers
> to become members). I am not a member of any fan clubs (I'm not sure there
> actually are any in Brisbane and I've always found joining overseas clubs
> to be a bit of a pest), but I would still count myself as a fan (I've
> bought quite a few of the videos, watch them incessantly... and I do have
> opinions [I sent a few of them to Christopher] I'm a list member, but then
> if I hadn't stumbled across the list a year ago I probably wouldn't be)
>
> Also, for all we know, Christopher might well have opinions of his own --
> but in asking us for help, he is hardly likely to suddenly land all of his
> opinions on us.
>
> >Again, a long term fan, would have read articles, not just in fan zines
> >but such professional publications as Starburst, Marvel Monthlies, TV
> >Zone, and Dreamwatch (in all its previous personas) about the programme,
> >and including interviews with all cast members. Even in other countries
> >where Blakes7 did not air until years after we Brits saw it, their
> >relevent professional publications were full of articles and interviews
> >at the time (ie Starlog etc).
>
> I've never even *heard* of these (except Starlog which I've juist never
> seen), and I would still consider myself a fan. I am not a fan of Marvel,
> TV Zone or Starburst, but a fan of B7.
>
> Besides even if he was not a fan, if he is doing an assignment on the
> reasons B7 proved popular, and he *didn't* ask the largest pool of B7 fans
> on the net why we liked it, his lecturers would have good cause for complaint.
Perhaps this has all blown up over the definition of the word *fan*.
When I became a *fan* of Blakes 7, I wanted to read absolutely
everything about it. I bought books, magazines, comics- anything that
contained a mention of Blakes 7. Then I discovered that fan clubs
existed, so I joined those as well (anyone on the list remember LPF &
PDAS?), and discovered the existance of fan written literature. I found
out that things like Conventions happened (mainly in the states at that
time). I became pen-pals with quite a lot of people, and we swapped
videos and magazines (I sent Starbursts etc to the states and my US
pen-pals sent Starlogs etc back). Everyone seemed to be the same as me,
anything and everything about Blakes 7 and we all wanted our own copies.
When I found out that there was more Blakes 7 on something called the
'internet' I went and found out what that was. Then I saved up and
installed the internet on my PC, and the first thing I did was sign up
to Lysator. Then Space-City. Oh, and then the Spin List (just to make
sure)!
Blakes 7 has become a *hobby* with me. Like all hobbies, it takes a lot
of time and money to keep up. Most of the people I still correspond
with are as *into Blakes 7* as I am ( as are a lot of the writers to
this list).
Perhaps I made the mistake of assuming that someone who said he was a
fan of Blakes 7 since the beginning would have a collection of
memorabilia. Although I have yet to meet a *fan* who does not collect
memorabilia. Perhaps Chris (and yourself) are the first. Is there anyone
esle on the list who is a fan of Blakes 7 and does not collect
memorabilia?
Having said that - I must make a comment on one of your statements.
> > Besides even if he was not a fan, if he is doing an assignment on the
> > reasons B7 proved popular, -
I *really, really* hope that Chris IS a fan, and gets his reasoning over
in his essay/thesis. The thought of a *non Blakes 7 fan* writing about
what made the series popular just brings to mind the BBC and The 7fold
Crown.
> - and he *didn't* ask the largest pool of B7 fans
> > on the net why we liked it, his lecturers would have good cause for complaint.
Only if THEY know the subject matter.
For an interesting twist on why we like the series, perhaps Chris should
try polling the Space-City members. The answers from there should make
the lecturers sit up and take notice.
Jackie
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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 22:26:13 +0100
From: JMR <jager@clara.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Deliverance pros & cons
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At 12:16 22/04/98 -0400, fifitrix@compuserve.com
wrote:
>
>> It is, after all, simply
>>an opinion. It rolls off my back like water off a duck. I trust that we
>>all can respect the words of (Thomas Jefferson?) who said something
>>like: "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death
>>your right to say it."
>>Pat P
>
>hear! hear!
>
>I didn't go to/organize the CON either and I have to say - having heard a
first hand account
>of it from Jenni - that it sounded like I missed a really great time. Any
party/convention/
>event is going to have its problems and I have yet to hear any criticism
of the Con that was
>not constructive. That said, I do understand that when you have worked
really hard on
>something it can be difficult to take critism and often it can feel personal.
>Anyone who organises an event which people pay money to attend has to be
prepared to deal
>with complaints about it.
>so I say - grow up DIVA! - Adults can deal with this kind of thing in a
professional manner
>and do not have to resort to flaming. I am a Customer Support
Professional and even the
>nastiest and most Foul-mouthed customers (which Kathryn was clearly NO
WHERE NEAR) can be
>dealt with in a civil manner.
>
>As for the issue of Diva remaining anonymous - Having called herself a CON
organiser
>then she should have identified herself.
>
>Right - Rant over!
>
>Fifitrix
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>fifitrix@compuserve.com
>fscarlett@hotmail.com
>
>
Can I just point out that at no time did Diva claim to be one of
"Deliverance's" organisers. "Deliverance" had three committee members, or
"organisers", and Diva was not one of them. Diva was one of "Deliverance's"
staff. Thank you.
Judith
J.M. Rolls
jager@clara.net
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