From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V98 #158 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume98/158 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 158 Today's Topics: Re: [B7L] Fourth Season - why?? Re: [B7L] Avon Re: [B7L] Fourth Season [B7L] Terra Incognita Re: [B7L] The welcome to the newcomer Re: [B7L] Fourth Season [B7L] Identity Crisis [B7L] Re: Avon Re: [B7L] Terra Incognita [B7L] "Headhunter" and its little annoyances... Re: [B7L] Avon Re: [B7L] Fourth Season - why?? [B7L] Re: Fourth Season - why? Re: [B7L] The welcome to the newcomer [B7L] Pages reminder [b7L] Re: Avon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:07:58 +0100 (BST) From: Rob Clother To: B7 mailing list Subject: Re: [B7L] Fourth Season - why?? Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > In particular Assasin - From my point of view it was one of Soolin's best > episodes and the dancing round the powered down space ship was distinctly > atmospheric, not to mention the amusing scenes with Tarrant over Piri. Well, atmospheric isn't the word I'd use, I must confess. > In the beginning - the only thing that planet lacked was enough extras - > BBC budget again. I could make a couple of other suggestions to the BBC. Try "costumes that aren't at best ridiculous and at worst downright offensive" -- and try getting extras that don't look like they're about three and a half seconds away from dying of hypothermia. > Piri/Cancer was a bit bad. It was the acting I think, not the lines, though > I was taken in by it the first time I saw it [hang it all, I was only 14!]. A bit. Again, not my preferred choice of words. I agree with your comment about Soolin, though -- up to a point. I wouldn't describe Assassin as one of her best episodes. I'd describe it as the first episode where she wasn't a third rate passenger. The thing is, as she improved steadily afterwards, her first decent outing was not enough even to come close to redeeming Assassin. It's a bit like Ian's reaction to Animals. > Thinking on that - how many of you out there feel the Roj Blake somehow > contributed something to the series that /made/ the first two seasons come > alive?? I'm not sure what it was. Presense, energy, charisma... The 'soul' > of it it seemed in those series... only you never noticed until one lost > him. Avon and Vila are terrific and fasincating but they never could bring > the 'spirit' to it Blake could. GT is a wonderful actor. :) I read in that B7 book -- can't remember the name off the top of my head -- about someone who said that, had they gone ahead with a fifth series, they would have needed both a major rethink and an actor of GT's stature to play along with PD and MK. From what I've seen of Soolin, I'm beginning to think they may have had the latter right under their noses. But let's face it, Blake wasn't the only thing that was missing from Series Four. The first series, which I'm watching again now it's out on video, is littered with adult themes -- by that I mean moral shades of grey and challenging ideas. I wouldn't suggest for a moment that "The Web" didn't have its silly moments, but look at the dialogue between Blake and Avon at the end, concerning the fate of the decimas. That's the sort of writing that engages the audience and inspires them to ask difficult questions. I can't think of any examples of that from the fourth season. Hope that helps to answer the question, "Fourth season: why" -- from my own twisted little point of view, of course. Cheers, Rob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 07:30:03 -0700 From: "Ann Basart" To: "Blake's7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon Message-Id: <199806051428.HAA12178@mercury.dnai.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thursday, June 04, 1998 7:25 AM And speaking of Avon in seasons 2/3 vs. season 4, does it strike anyone else that his edgy acting style and spitting-out-words-crisply line-delivery went overboard in season 4? Or was he trying to tell us he was going really mad? And I'm still trying to figure out whether PD can really act or not. (Yes, I like his work in B7 very much. But can he really act? Someone somewhere said that he acted like a wooden board.) I read that he has played Macbeth. He always seems as if he's a bit Richard Third-ish; maybe it's the black costumes. Perhaps one of you who has seen him in something else, or who has strong feelings about this, could put in an opinion here. (And if it weren't for PD, would I continue to re-watch the tapes? Well, after Blake left, that is...) Ann ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:37:29 +0100 (BST) From: Rob Clother To: B7 mailing list Subject: Re: [B7L] Fourth Season Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Oh, I _love_ Egrorian. Outrageously OTT, of course, but then he is a mad > genius who's been stuck on some remote base for years with only Pindar for > company. Is it any wonder he's a bit gaga? Comedy of the grotesque, mate, > ye canny whack it. I canny bleedin stand it either, mate. :-) > You haven't mentioned "Games" at all. I rather like that one, I guess > mainly because of Stratford Johns, Vila being on top form and Servalan > getting to be really horrid. All points in favour of that episode. I might have listed it along with Traitor and Gold, if it wasn't for the deadly amusement arcade at the end. If you're a big fan of dotty English eccentrics, you'll like the fourth season, cos it's got more of those than you can shake a stick at. It's just not my taste, really. > And what about "Rescue", with the charming and well-coiffured Dorian? Not bad, but still too much like science fantasy and too little like a tense political thriller. You see, you're talking to a guy whose favourite episodes are The Way Back, Pressure Point and Cygnus Alpha -- in that order. Stick a slobbering monster in a basement and all you'll get out of me is sarcy comments. I mean, a lot of this is about what you want to get out of the series. Season four will appeal to some people, but one thing you can't deny is that the program had changed its direction (lost its way if you want to be rude about it) by then. I was disappointed with the new direction. But then my tastes are pretty singular anyway. Cheers, Rob PS By the way, Iain, sorry about misspelling your name in an earlier posting. Buy yourself a pint from me. :-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 08:40:43 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List cc: Space City Subject: [B7L] Terra Incognita Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Hm. Every piece of news I hear on this topic seems to contradict the last one I heard. As far as I can figure it, Terra Incognito and Neutral Zone both think they have Gareth as a guest for the same weekend. (and there's convincing evidence both ways depending on who you talk to) Beats me. I'll let you know if I ever figure it out properly. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:38:18 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] The welcome to the newcomer Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Fri 05 Jun, Bill Billingsley wrote: > At 09:03 4/06/98 +0100, Judith wrote: > >Countdown and Rumours of Death are a wonderful pair of episodes. > > Apart from the 'raspberry jelly in a beaker' bomb. (The whole defusing > scene was unfortunately unconvincing). It used to work wonderfully for me. I was convinced by the entire thing. Then somebody pointed out that Avon didn't need to find the missing pin as he could have stuck the drill through the hole! Ah well, if I didn't spot it, I guess I can forgive Avon for missing it too. I still enjoy the episode. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 18:56:01 +0100 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Fourth Season Message-ID: In message , Iain Coleman writes > >This line might work on Una, but she's weird. I'm afraid I find the >Dayna/Justin bit so irredeemably shit that even Jackie Pearce turning it >up to 11 in this one cannot save the episode. It works a bit better if you try and imagine Dayna as Cally. This is one of the episodes where it is horribly, horribly obvious that they had started writing scripts with the assumption that Cally would still be present, and didn't always have time to rewrite properly. And at least if it had been Cally, Justin wouldn't be so obviously guilty of the crime Blake was framed with... > >Oh, I _love_ Egrorian. Outrageously OTT, of course, but then he is a mad >genius who's been stuck on some remote base for years with only Pindar for >company. Is it any wonder he's a bit gaga? Comedy of the grotesque, mate, >ye canny whack it. Ah, but when they were first stuck on that base, pre the Hoffel's readiation accident, Pindar's charms were rather more obvious - it isn't *quite* spelt out, but it is made fairly obvious that it was not merely Pindar's mind that interested Egrorian :) -- Julia Jones "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 21:10:01 EDT From: StefiAB@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Identity Crisis Message-ID: <8aad2dde.357896eb@aol.com> Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_897095402_boundary" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_897095402_boundary Content-ID: <0_897095402@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hi Everyone! I just subscribed to Lysator a week ago. I'm a wildly enthusiastic Avon - A/B fan and I love being on the list. But I've discovered I'm being confused with another list member. My name is Stefanie Price and my email is StefiAB@aol.com I've been getting a lot of private mail from list members who I've realized were intending to send to Shela Ma email ShelaB7@aol.com I guess our addys are similar enough that people looked at it and thought mine was Shela Ma's. I've been getting so much of her mail that I decided I should let people know that we are two very different people. :) I've been forwarding the mail on to Shela's email, btw. And in response to the "Avon's hair" question... > Todd wrote: > Does anyone agree with me that avon looked better during the last season > with that new hairstyle. Before that, I think he looked like a pratt. I don't think Avon EVER looked like a pratt. I personally prefer the season 2 and first half of season 3 Avon. I never have cared for the studs and black leather look. I totally drool for him in tight black pants, knee high boots, and black shirts ("Aftermath" and "Voice >From the Past" come to mind). Except for "Warlord" I didn't care for Avon's look in Season 4. But I think that has more to do with his costumes than his hair. He's got great hair and I like both styles. He was extremely sexy in "Powerplay" even though his hair was a mess throughout. :) He stole the show in "Spacefall" the moment he appeared on the screen. Avon look like a pratt??? NEVER!!!! Stefanie --part0_897095402_boundary Content-ID: <0_897095402@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: StefiAB@aol.com Return-path: To: space-city@world.std.com Subject: Identity Crisis Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 20:53:22 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi Everyone! I just subscribed to SC a week ago. I'm a wildly enthusiastic Avon - A/B fan and I love being on the list. But I've discovered I'm being confused with another list member. My name is Stefanie Price and my email is StefiAB@aol.com I've been getting a lot of private mail from list members who I've realized were intending to send to Shela Ma email ShelaB7@aol.com I guess our addys are similar enough that people looked at it and thought mine was Shela Ma's. I've been getting so much of her mail that I decided I should let people know that we are two very different people. :) I've been forwarding the mail on to Shela's email, btw. And in response to the "Avon's hair" question... > Todd wrote: > Does anyone agree with me that avon looked better during the last season > with that new hairstyle. Before that, I think he looked like a pratt. I don't think Avon EVER looked like a pratt. I personally prefer the season 2 and first half of season 3 Avon. I never have cared for the studs and black leather look. I totally drool for him in tight black pants, knee high boots, and black shirts ("Aftermath" and "Voice >From the Past" come to mind). Except for "Warlord" I didn't care for Avon's look in Season 4. But I think that has more to do with his costumes than his hair. He's got great hair and I like both styles. He was extremely sexy in "Powerplay" even though his hair was a mess throughout. :) He stole the show in "Spacefall" the moment he appeared on the screen. Avon look like a pratt??? NEVER!!!! Stefanie --part0_897095402_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Jun 98 00:52:00 GMT From: s.thompson8@genie.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Avon Message-Id: <199806060111.BAA13391@rock103.genie.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Harriet said: >My objection to the fourth-season hair is that it looks more Paul Darrow >Sex Symbol than Kerr Avon Computer Expert. And while Paul Darrow is very >charming, it's the other one I'm interested in watching. I see fourth season Avon less as Kerr Avon, Computer Expert, and more as Kerr Avon, Space Pirate. And the way that the one gradually turns into the other is a big part of what makes the series so special to me. The hair style is just the visual manifestation of more basic changes. I do agree that the new hair style was not =intended= to suggest a change in Avon's character but rather to make Mr. D. look (even) sexier. But I think it's another wonderful example of how coincidental external factors fitted smoothly into the internal story. I just love the scene in "Orbit" when Egrorian is ragging Avon, of all people, about being stupid and uneducated because he doesn't recognize the quote E. just dropped, and then saying that in any case it doesn't matter because Avon has all those other desperado-like qualities. What irony! And I don't think it oculd have happened earlier. Patti McClellan had a wonderful take on it, posted here (I think, although it might possibly have been some other mailing list or even an apa) a while ago. She said something to the effect of-- I'm quoting from memory here-- "Having to become a pirate gets up his very considerable nose, and so he resolves to become the most flamboyant pirate that he can." (Those are approximate quotes, not exact ones-- she said it better.) I do like the fourth season hair better, myself. And I love Iain's explanation for it. But y'know, Tarrant was neglecting his visits to Dorian's Autohaircutter toward the end there. The nicely trimmed curls of Season 3 were an unruly mop by the end of Season 4. Mind you, I like long hair on men (what a pleasure to see so much of it at Deliverance ;), but Tarrant has that super- curly hair that tends to grow out rather than down. In his case I actually preferred it shorter. Maybe he was too tall for the machine's standard settings and was worried about getting his scalp snipped. :) Sarah T. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 20:52:10 -0700 From: Helen Krummenacker To: Judith Proctor CC: Lysator List , Space City Subject: Re: [B7L] Terra Incognita Message-ID: <3578BCEA.7781@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Judith Proctor wrote: > > Hm. Every piece of news I hear on this topic seems to contradict the last one I > heard. As far as I can figure it, Terra Incognito and Neutral Zone both think > they have Gareth as a guest for the same weekend. (and there's convincing > evidence both ways depending on who you talk to) > > Beats me. I'll let you know if I ever figure it out properly. > > Judith Gareth Thomas has got the teleport working. :^/ -- Avona ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 21:48:47 PDT From: "Joanne MacQueen" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] "Headhunter" and its little annoyances... Message-ID: <19980606044848.29504.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Oh, dear. What have I done? D. Rose said: >Bastard seems a bit harsh in this situation. Perhaps the dear lad is >undergoing hormonal stress. Yes, well, possibly. Actually, the more I think about it, the funnier the idea gets: Mr Brains-rather-than-brawn being led astray by his glands. Adds to the flawed human being idea mentioned later. >After he snaps at her, he does make some attempt to soften his words. Erm, when? I can't remember that bit. (No, I'm not disputing that it occurred at all, it's just that it's Saturday afternoon and I'm at work, and supposed to be thinking of other things - including helping the library's patrons, as has happened several times while this response was being typed.) At least he does allow her to teleport up to the Scorpio with him, but how much of that is "we need Mueller rather badly, but we need to be nice to Vena too, now that I've put my foot in it, so she doesn't persuade Mueller to back out?" >Which just goes to show, Avon is a delightfully flawed human. Flawed, yes. Just not always delightfully. Snapping at someone in the heat of the moment is understandable, but difficult to defend. It's no more likeable in a fictional character than it is in a real human being. That's probably why, at least partly, I think "You bastard" when some character like Avon behaves that way: he can get away with it, to a certain extent. No one is likely to continue to adore me in the same way as Avon if I did the very same thing. Television programs: you can't beat them and you can't join them. That's enough, I think. Regards Jo MacQueen ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 19:17:50 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Fri 05 Jun, Ann Basart wrote: > And speaking of Avon in seasons 2/3 vs. season 4, does it strike anyone > else that his edgy acting style and spitting-out-words-crisply > line-delivery went overboard in season 4? One thing I noticed when listening to the audio plays was that Paul's delivery was far more restrained in Logic of Empire than in The Sevenfold Crown. According to Alan Stevens, he particularly asked Paul for a more restrained style. I think Paul is more effective when he's holding something back. Somehow it makes Avon feel more dangerous. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 19:28:16 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] Fourth Season - why?? Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Fri 05 Jun, Katrina Harkess wrote: > I've just joined the list and I have to say I'm dismayed at some of the > comments on the fourth season. > > In particular Assasin - From my point of view it was one of Soolin's best > episodes and the dancing round the powered down space ship was distinctly > atmospheric, not to mention the amusing scenes with Tarrant over Piri. And > in the beginning - the only thing that planet lacked was enough extras - > BBC budget again. :( I liked Servalan when she informed what she would > prefer her 'slave' to call her. ;) Even the worst episodes have good bits. That scene with Servalan has sprung many an interesting story/dream. I also agree that Soolin gets to shine here. > Piri/Cancer was a bit bad. It was the acting I think, not the lines, though > I was taken in by it the first time I saw it [hang it all, I was only 14!]. The actress. I agree. Terrible casting. > > And then there was Blake. Oh, how I cried and screamed and hated watching > them die but it was masterfully written with crackling energy to me. Maybe > it was Blake come back again - I'm not a Blake fan. ;P - but there was that > indefinable something about it. > > Thinking on that - how many of you out there feel the Roj Blake somehow > contributed something to the series that /made/ the first two seasons come > alive?? I'm not sure what it was. Presense, energy, charisma... The 'soul' > of it it seemed in those series... only you never noticed until one lost > him. Avon and Vila are terrific and fasincating but they never could bring > the 'spirit' to it Blake could. GT is a wonderful actor. :) Yes I do. I think Gareth's main contribution is something hard to define, but I'll call it 'weight'. He played his character as though he was in a straight drama series and not a space opera. It made the whole thing carry much more conviction. When Blake was gone, the series started to lose direction. Although the 3rd series has some great epsodes, the crew tend to fall into events rather than seek them out (with the notable exception of Rumours of Death). Nobody really knows what they want anymore. The series doesn't gain a direction until series 4 where Avon decides to take on the Federation, but by then, something else is gone. The series has lost depth. As someone else commented, the difficult moral questions are no longer asked. Again there are exceptions like Orbit, but overall it's headed towards comic book storylines. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 07:34:21 -0400 From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" Subject: [B7L] Re: Fourth Season - why? Message-ID: <199806060734_MC2-3F5C-7D3C@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Katrina Harkess wrote: >how many of you out there feel the Roj Blake somehow >contributed something to the series that /made/ the first >two seasons come alive?? I'm not sure what it was. >Presence, energy, charisma... The 'soul' of it it seemed in >those series... only you never noticed until one lost him. That was precisely it, for me. Blake wound me up no end when he was there, but there was an aching void once he left. Harriet ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 08:27:20 -0400 From: ay648@yfn.ysu.edu (Carol A. McCoy) To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] The welcome to the newcomer Message-ID: <199806061227.IAA22475@yfn.ysu.edu> Fifitrix wrote: >Joanne MacQueen writes : > > >>Yes, Gan is undervalued, the jury is still out as to whether or not >>Gareth Thomas is adorable (I like him, but not to the extent that Judith >>does), and Tarrant is prettier than I am, which is why I have a bit of >>trouble with him. My apologies to the members of the Tarrant Nostra - >>maybe I'll learn to appreciate his talents one day. > >We may just forgive you.........on the other hand the Godmother may feel >that you need to be converted. What do you think Carol ? We have to give Joanne points for noting Tarrant's prettiness and for her willingness to keep an open mind. Both indicate to me a potential for self-conversion, sparing us the need to kidnap and reprogram her. ;-) I agree, Gan is definitely undervalued. Judith, thanks for reminding me about the great Gan bits from "Bounty." I think Gan and Tarrant would get along splendidly. Gan would have approved of Tarrant's loyalty to his shipmates and Gan would have been at Tarrant's side persuading Vila to go to Keezarn, making that a far less explosive situation. Gan wasn't one to shirk responsibility. He was quietly mature and competent. He had an empathy that Alphas lacked. I would love to read AUs (or PGPs with Gan resurrections) where Gan assumes a leadership role. Carol Mc ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 14:04:31 +0100 GMT From: STEVE.ROGERSON@MCR1.poptel.org.uk To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se, space-city@world.std.com Subject: [B7L] Pages reminder Message-Id: <69894923MCR1@MCR1.poptel.org.uk> OK, folks this is your two week out reminder for the Blakes 7 drink up at Pages Bar in London on 20th June. So far we have 12 ayes and 4 maybes. They are: Ayes: Me, Una, Carol, Tanya, Fiona, Jenni, Teri, Harriet, Jay plus one, Linda, Katharine, Maybes: Alison, Paula, Judith, Louise, Have I missed anyone or are there anymore ayes? The details are: Pages Bar is on Page Street, London SW1P. Nearest tubes are Pimlico and Westminster and railway stations Charing Cross, Victoria and Waterloo are not far away. The No 88 bus, which you can pick up near Piccadilly Circus, goes right past the door. The C10 bus also goes past the door and you can get that at Victoria. I'll probably get there between 5.30 and 6.00pm. cheers Steve Rogerson Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ "The workers united will never be ignited" Guards! Guards! - Terry Pratchett ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Jun 98 16:37:55 BST From: pdbean@argonet.co.uk (Patrick Bean) To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [b7L] Re: Avon Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain On Fri 5 Jun 98 (15:47:58 +0200), blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se wrote: > The hair style in the 4th series made him look older. Yes, how did he manage to get his hair done while they were stranded on terminal? :-) -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / pdbean@argonet.co.uk (Patrick David Bean) | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ Web http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pdbean -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V98 Issue #158 **************************************