From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V98 #175 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume98/175 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 175 Today's Topics: [B7L] re: Steven Pacey -Cuckoo Waltze [B7L] RE: Steven Pacey -Cuckoo Waltz RE: [B7L] Blake Re: [B7L] Blake [B7L] B7 Videos [B7L] Blessed be [B7L] Lost in Space - July 10? [B7L] FW: Lost In Space - Blake's 7 [B7L] Re: Blake's 7: The World Cup Years [B7L] I couldn't resist... [B7L] Re World Cup [B7L] mental illness- was Avon ceritifiable? [B7L] mental illness- was Avon certifiable? Re: [B7L] Re: Blake's 7: The World Cup Years ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 23:08:00 +0100 From: Jackie To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] re: Steven Pacey -Cuckoo Waltze Message-ID: <359178C0.1CC6@termlow.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Julie Horner wrote: > > > From: Anne Lane > > > > Spotted Steven Pacey in today's edition of the Cuckoo waltz on Granada > Plus. > > He was playing a character called Ricky, sporting an extreme tie and a > > terrible haircut (the curls really suited him better!). Don't know > exactly > > when these were made - early to mid seventies judging by the clothes. It > seems > > to be on every day at 1 p.m. but I don't know whether he'll be in it > again as > > he seemed to be a guest character. > > > > I only remember this vaguely from a long time ago but I think he might > have been a semi-regular character. > > I am basing this assumption on the fact that a while ago I too caught a > few minutes of the Cuckoo Waltz on Granada Plus and Steven Pacey > was in that one as well - as a football reporter I think. > > Of course this could just be another example of that phenomenon where > you have only ever see one episode of a program and the next time the > series is repeated you catch exactly the same episode again. > (Except you caught it not me - oh well perhaps you see what I mean) > > Actually I think I read that Josette Simon did a few episodes in the Cuckoo > Waltz - so that must have been after B7 - but I am sure it is older than > that - > oh dear can someone more knowledgable take over. > > Julie Horner I won`t say that I`m more knowledgeable, but I also think Cuckoo Waltze was before Blakes 7. Cuckoo waltze also had Lewis Collins in it, very much pre- Professionals, which was before Blakes 7. Perhaps Josette did her episodes while still at drama school? Unless of course the series (or 2) that had Lewis in was indeed before Blakes 7 & Professionals, and was remade after for Josette to guest in. I vaguely remember somebody else other than Lewis as the Cuckoo for at least another seies. Jackie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 98 23:01:38 UT From: "Anne Lane" To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] RE: Steven Pacey -Cuckoo Waltz Message-Id: On Wednesday, June 24, 1998 11:08 PM, Jackie wrote: > Julie Horner wrote: > > > > > From: Anne Lane > > > > > > Spotted Steven Pacey in today's edition of the Cuckoo waltz on Granada > > Plus. > > > He was playing a character called Ricky, sporting an extreme tie and a > > > terrible haircut (the curls really suited him better!). Don't know > > exactly > > > when these were made - early to mid seventies judging by the clothes. It > > seems > > > to be on every day at 1 p.m. but I don't know whether he'll be in it > > again as > > > he seemed to be a guest character. > > > > > > > I only remember this vaguely from a long time ago but I think he might > > have been a semi-regular character. > > > > I am basing this assumption on the fact that a while ago I too caught a > > few minutes of the Cuckoo Waltz on Granada Plus and Steven Pacey > > was in that one as well - as a football reporter I think. > > > > Of course this could just be another example of that phenomenon where > > you have only ever see one episode of a program and the next time the > > series is repeated you catch exactly the same episode again. > > (Except you caught it not me - oh well perhaps you see what I mean) > > > > Actually I think I read that Josette Simon did a few episodes in the Cuckoo > > Waltz - so that must have been after B7 - but I am sure it is older than > > that - > > oh dear can someone more knowledgable take over. > > > > Julie Horner > > I won`t say that I`m more knowledgeable, but I also think Cuckoo Waltze > was before Blakes 7. > Cuckoo waltze also had Lewis Collins in it, very much pre- > Professionals, which was before Blakes 7. > Perhaps Josette did her episodes while still at drama school? > Unless of course the series (or 2) that had Lewis in was indeed before > Blakes 7 & Professionals, and was remade after for Josette to guest in. > I vaguely remember somebody else other than Lewis as the Cuckoo for at > least another seies. > > Jackie > > Yes - I - *very* vaguely seem to remember David Jason being in it, but with no idea of what part he played. I know exactly what you mean, Julie. I do it all the time, especially with programmes on cable channels. I see, say, the end of something, think it was interesting and hope to catch it all next time, then a few months later find myself tuning in at exactly the same point again. There are some series I've only ever seen ten minutes of, but I've seen that ten minutes half a dozen times! Anne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 20:36:35 EDT From: DCsquared@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: RE: [B7L] Blake Message-ID: <836a1a63.35919b94@aol.com> Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_898734995_boundary" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_898734995_boundary Content-ID: <0_898734995@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part0_898734995_boundary Content-ID: <0_898734995@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: DCsquared@aol.com Return-path: To: StefiAB@aol.com Subject: Re: [B7L] Blake Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 20:35:02 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-06-23 23:36:03 EDT, you write: > > I like Blake and I was sorry to see him leave, but (for me anyway) the show > didn't lose anything by his absence. It simply went in another direction > and > introduced a lot of new and interesting elements. The 'soul' of the show > really would have been lost if it had been Avon who left instead of Blake. > I must delurk to agree. Much as I love Blake, I think losing Avon would have been fatal. Still, without Blake, we would never have come to love Avon so much. Blake enabled us to find that "something" in Avon that made him so much more than a dark, selfish sod. None of the other characters were able to illuminate that other part of Avon as well as Blake, though Cally would have been second. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Donna Chlouber Keeper of Zen's Wisdom B7 Novice Writer's Group http://members.aol.com/DCsquared/mainframe.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ --part0_898734995_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 19:05:13 -0700 From: Helen Krummenacker To: DCsquared@aol.com CC: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Blake Message-ID: <3591B05A.2BDF@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DCsquared@aol.com wrote: > > Subject: Re: [B7L] Blake > Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 20:35:02 EDT > From: DCsquared@aol.com > To: StefiAB@aol.com > > In a message dated 98-06-23 23:36:03 EDT, you write: > > > > > I like Blake and I was sorry to see him leave, but (for me anyway) the show > > didn't lose anything by his absence. It simply went in another direction > > and > > introduced a lot of new and interesting elements. The 'soul' of the show > > really would have been lost if it had been Avon who left instead of Blake. > > > > I must delurk to agree. Much as I love Blake, I think losing Avon would have > been fatal. Still, without Blake, we would never have come to love Avon so > much. Blake enabled us to find that "something" in Avon that made him so much > more than a dark, selfish sod. None of the other characters were able to > illuminate that other part of Avon as well as Blake, though Cally would have > been second. And Vila, on occaision. Tho, I think there was kind of a tacit agreement between them to take each other at face value. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 21:28:56 -0700 From: kalazar To: "blakes7@lysator.liu.se" , "space-city@world.std.com" Subject: [B7L] B7 Videos Message-ID: <3591D207.121E948C@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If anyone is interested Videoshoppers has all the Blakes7 videos available. They are expensive around $23 US., the url is: http://www.videoshoppers.com/ The tapes are listed under SCIFI/Fantasy. kalazar ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 23:13:35 +0100 GMT From: STEVE.ROGERSON@MCR1.poptel.org.uk To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se, space-city@world.std.com CC: diane@horizon.org.uk Subject: [B7L] Blessed be Message-Id: <698359582MCR1@MCR1.poptel.org.uk> Only a minor, ie one episode, Blake's 7 connection here I'm afraid, but if anyone's interested Brian Blessed is directing "The Glass Menagerie" at the Battersea Arts Centre (Lavender Hill, London SW11) from 30 June to 19 July (not Mondays). More details at www.cix.co.uk/~backdoor/haydenweb cheers Steve Rogerson Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 15:33:37 -0400 From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: "Blake's 7 (Lysator)" , Space City Subject: [B7L] Lost in Space - July 10? Message-ID: <199806241534_MC2-4137-90EE@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The BBC Information Office has just told me that the lost B7 episode of Lost in Space should be transmitted on Friday, July 10. They couldn't confirm the time slot yet, but thought something similar to the original (7.15 p.m.). I presume it's still BBC2! Has anyone else been given the same information (as I'm a bit paranoid about it)? It's between Test matches, so shouldn't be interrupted by cricket. I take no responsibility for any other sporting events. Harriet ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 98 14:48:56 UT From: "Anne Lane" To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] FW: Lost In Space - Blake's 7 Message-Id: I have just received the reply below from the BBC to say that Lost In Space will be shown on Friday 10th July. I will be asking for a reply to my other question! Anne -----Original Message----- From: Brian Keeler Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 1998 2:38 PM To: Anne Lane Subject: RE: Lost In Space - Blake's 7 Thanks for your e-mail. I am sorry that you were disappointed by the late cancellation of 'Lost in Space'. This programme has been rescheduled for Friday 10 July. Regards ---------- From: Anne Lane To: vlc@bbc.co.uk Subject: Lost In Space - Blake's 7 Date: 16 June 1998 08:10 Last Friday 12th June at 7.15 my husband, my children and I sat down to watch the eagerly awaited Blake's 7 edition of the excellent Lost In Space series. You can imagine our dismay when a caption flashed up to inform us that it had been postponed in favour of yet more sport. I telephoned the number listed in Radio Times and was informed that 'live sport always takes precedence'. Well, yes, we'd noticed, that was what I was complaining about. However, I was assured that Lost In Space would be shown next Friday. At the end of the tennis we listened for confirmation of the rescheduling - but there was no mention of Lost In Space, just a profound apology for the postponement of 'Quantum Leaps'. Now I see from your on-line listings that Lost In Space is not, in fact, scheduled for next Friday. This is yet another example of the BBC's disrespect for it's own archive material and for science fiction and it's fans in particular. As far as I know, this short 15 minute program about Blake's 7 fans was the BBC's *only* recognition of the existence of Blake's 7 in it's 20th anniversary year. I would have expected a full-length documentary together with a repeat screening of the series. I have seen most of the other editions of Lost In Space and found them to be interesting, intelligent and entertaining. You can therefore imagine my disappointment when the edition about one of my favourite series was postponed indefinitely. So, when will it be shown, and when will Blake's 7 itself be repeated? Anne Lane Anne_and_Mike_Lane@classic.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 07:06:36 -0400 From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" Subject: [B7L] Re: Blake's 7: The World Cup Years Message-ID: <199806250707_MC2-514E-58F8@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Trying to place Norway... Arlen, perhaps? Harriet ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 11:17:33 EDT From: penny_kjelgaard@juno.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] I couldn't resist... Message-ID: <19980625.081343.14335.1.Penny_Kjelgaard@juno.com> Jo MacQueen wrote: Curtsey while you're thinking what to say. It saves time. -- Lewis Carroll. (I need to do this more often, I think!) What? Think or curtsey? Peace, Penny _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 18:48:34 +0100 GMT From: STEVE.ROGERSON@MCR1.poptel.org.uk To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re World Cup Message-Id: <698371421MCR1@MCR1.poptel.org.uk> Alison said about me cheering for Romania on Monday: "Don't you think it spoils the fun if you refuse to support your own side?" I've sent a reply to this to the spin list. cheers Steve Rogerson Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 13:24:28 PDT From: "Edith Spencer" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] mental illness- was Avon ceritifiable? Message-ID: <19980625202429.20078.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Okay, so you all have probably discussed this to death, but I have to hear other opinions about it: Was Avon crazy? ( or mad for our English cousins:) I have seen several episodes where Avon goes on and on about money and money that, but in the second episode where the original crew gets on the liberator and Avon discovers wealth beyond that of the banking cartel. So, episodes like gambit do not make sense, because the crew is already wealthy, from that point. And why is he so nasty to people who would protect him ( except Vila)? And whassup with that fourth season dude- way different from the cold, mean snob we all love to hate 1st season. 4th season looked as if ham on wry was being served for lunch every day! And finally,dear god, why didn't the crew kill him if he such an goddamn jerk? Just asking you b7 elders! Edith Spencer "...Oh, no. If you do not finish in 20 minutes, I'll destroy your hands." Blake, in Breakdown. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 09:14:44 +1200 From: Nicola Collie To: B7-list Subject: [B7L] mental illness- was Avon certifiable? Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Edith: > Okay, so you all have probably discussed this to >death, but I have to hear other opinions about it: Yep, we sure have :-) Always interesting to get a new perspective, though. > Was Avon crazy? ( or mad for our English cousins:) > I have seen several episodes where Avon goes on and on about money >and money that, but in the second episode where the original crew gets >on the liberator and Avon discovers wealth beyond that of the banking >cartel. So, episodes like gambit do not make sense, because the crew is >already wealthy, from that point. I think that there are people who regard the acquisition of money as an end in itself - they're playing a game, using dollars/credits/ningis/vems as a means of keeping score. The thrill comes from the winning (seeing the mony come in), not the after-match function (the spending of the money afterwards). I think that, in Gambit, Avon and Vila went gambling to beat the casino, not because they wanted the money itself (except as a trophy) but because they wanted to take the money from someone else. I have lots of reasons for liking Gambit (that red gown, the catfight, the incredible shrinking Orac, Avon spitting up his food ... ;-) ) > And why is he so nasty to people who would protect him ( except >Vila)? My take on this is "it's just his way". Bit of a cop-out, I know. I think he likes to operate alone, and doesn't enjoy having to rely on others. And, fwiw, I think he's pretty nasty to Vila on occasion, too. (damn - now I want to give an example, and I can't think of one :-( ) >And whassup with that fourth season dude- way different from the >cold, mean snob we all love to hate 1st season. 4th season looked as if >ham on wry was being served for lunch every day! And finally,dear god, >why didn't the crew kill him if he such an goddamn jerk? Well, in S1 he was "along for the ride" - Blake made the decisions, Avon would often argue with him, but generally go along with the programme. After Blake disappeared, Avon fell into the leadership role, and the safety of the ship and crew were on his shoulders. I think he resisted allowing Tarrant to take charge because he didn't want to see his destiny in the hands of another again, after allowing Blake to lead him around for so long. By S4 he had lost the Liberator and Cally, so he had failed at least partially in the protective leadership role. I think that burden of guilt would take a great emotional toll, especially in someone who would refuse to admit to it. But I don't think Avon was mad in the clinical sense. Very stressed out, but not certifiably insane. All of this is IMHO, of course :-) > Just asking you b7 elders! Elders? I don't know that I qualify for that distinction ;-) I don't think I've seen you on the list before, Edith. Welcome! ttfn, Nicola --- Nicola Collie mailto:nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz "If I'm wrong you can say "I told you so", provided you speak loudly and quickly." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 00:48:08 +0100 (BST) From: wshield@netcomuk.co.uk To: 101637.2064@compuserve.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Blake's 7: The World Cup Years Message-Id: <199862704719741@> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Norway, of course!!!! Cold, professional, cynical - a job to do and nothing stands in their way - freedom and expression sre crushed underfoot... Phil J On 06/25/98 07:06:36 you wrote: > >Trying to place Norway... Arlen, perhaps? > >Harriet > > > -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V98 Issue #175 **************************************