From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V98 #228 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume98/228 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 228 Today's Topics: Re: [B7L] Tarrant Nostra baiting [B7L] I'm back Re: [B7L] Swearing by (or, rather, at) Avon's teeth (was Tarrant Nostra baiting) [B7L] Cuddly Vila (was Tarrant Nostra baiting) [B7L] Way OT - Technical advice [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V98 #227 [B7L] Watching B7 Re: [B7L] Tarrant in Rumours. [B7L] Re: Tarrant Nostra baiting Re: [B7L] Tarrant in Rumours. Re: [B7L] Re: Tarrant Nostra baiting Re: [B7L] Watching B7 [B7L] Chaos [B7L] B5 The Crusade Re: [B7L] Watching B7 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 23:36:09 +1000 From: Kathryn Andersen To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] Tarrant Nostra baiting Message-ID: <19980902233609.61071@welkin.apana.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Tue, Sep 01, 1998 at 06:12:04PM +0100, Judith Proctor wrote: > On Tue 01 Sep, Tigerm1019@aol.com wrote: [of Tarrant] > > Of all the characters, he strikes me as the most straightforward and > > least likely to stab someone in the back. His crewmates know where > > they stand with him, something that is not true of Avon or even Blake. > > I believe it was Travis who commented that Blake had one reliable flaw. He > would never abandon a friend. "He has one reliable flaw: loyalty." -- Space Commander Travis, on Roj Blake (Blake's 7: Seek - Locate - Destroy [A6]) (Kathryn's quote collection strikes again). -- _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen / \ | http://home.connexus.net.au/~kat \_.--.*/ | #include "standard/disclaimer.h" v | ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 22:35:21 +0100 From: "Dangermouse" To: Subject: [B7L] I'm back Message-Id: <199809022140.WAA28706@gnasher.sol.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What have I missed while I was off spending time with my girlfriend in LA? (BTW, do you that Chris Boucher's Dr Who book Last Man Running has one of his B7 characters in it? Hint- watching Weapon might be a good idea...) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:19:25 +1200 From: Nicola Collie To: B7-list Subject: Re: [B7L] Swearing by (or, rather, at) Avon's teeth (was Tarrant Nostra baiting) Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Carol Mc: >(Teehee, strike another one up to TN ingenuity. We lure the >bashers in with kindness, then we throw them to the sharks. ;-) 'ere, that seems hardly fair. To the sharks ;) ttfn, Nicola --- Nicola Collie mailto:nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Telepathy means never having to say " ". ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:16:50 +1200 From: Nicola Collie To: B7-list Subject: [B7L] Cuddly Vila (was Tarrant Nostra baiting) Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Greg: >Does this mean you're considering a Vila soft toy/doll? Anyway, I agree >with Tramila. How could you kick someone so harmless and friendly. Hi Greg! [12,000 mile wave] ooo, a Vila soft toy, what a cool idea ;) If I caught Avon kicking Vila, I'd spend some time comforting Vila. Then, once Vila's cuddled up all happy with his A+S, I'd go and tell Avon off. Could lead somewhere interesting. ;) >Tramila, is V.I.C.E. still accepting members? If they are, you'd be the perfect candidate ttfn, Nicola --- Nicola Collie mailto:nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Telepathy means never having to say " ". ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 15:39:23 -0700 From: Jay To: Subject: [B7L] Way OT - Technical advice Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980902153923.006eaf80@succeed.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sorry to take up bandwidth with this, but can anyone tell me how to killfile someone. Not anyone on this list, but I need to killfile someone on a different, non-B7, list I'm on. My email program is Eudora Light how do I do it, or is it possible with this program. Any info please email me privately. TIA Jay ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ In the bathtub of history the truth is harder to hold than the soap, and much more difficult to find...-- Terry Pratchett's "Sourcery" Visit Sharpe's Seven (a Sean Bean and Blake's 7 site) http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/Studio/3612 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 22:10:29 EDT From: MSpielmanj@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V98 #227 Message-ID: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 22:09:43 PDT From: "Joanne MacQueen" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Watching B7 Message-ID: <19980903050944.19415.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Carol said: But do keep an open mind about Tarrant while watching the rest of the series (you do have access to the rest of the series, I hope...). If you can forgive Avon all his faults, Tarrant should be a piece of cake. ;-) I say: No, I don't have access to the rest of the series at the moment, unless there's someone in Sydney willing to lend those episodes I haven't seen. Especially as Carol's points rest, at least partly, on "Dawn" and "City", neither of which I have seen. I haven't seen "Harvest of Kairos", amongst a few others from series three, either. Not having access to pay TV or to the Fabulous Films reissues of the videos (and not being made of money either) doesn't help. While my brain is able to contemplate matters other than indexing fair trading legislation (thanks, Carol, I've been swimming with sharks today - they're called editors! But only when deadlines are gaining on you, as they were on me), it's series two and three where the greatest gaps occur. With the first set of thirteen, the only one I've missed is "Bounty". With the final set of thirteen, I've missed three - "Power", "Stardrive" and "Animals". As the first episode I saw was "Traitor" (that was in 83? 84? and I haven't seen that episode again since), I'm at a loss to explain how I missed the two following episodes but managed to see "Headhunter" (I know I saw that one when the ABC last screened B7: when I bought the video sometime ago, the section where Soolin is carrying Orac up the stairs made me think "Oh, yes, I did see this!" Given what I thought of "Sand" at the time, what twelve year olds remember can be interesting. Especially as the twelve year old me didn't think Avon was as interesting in the same way as the adult me does.). Regards Joanne Caxtons are mechanical birds with many wings and some are treasured for their markings They cause the eyes to melt or the body to shriek without pain --Craig Raine ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 06:39:43 -0400 From: ay648@yfn.ysu.edu (Carol A. McCoy) To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Tarrant in Rumours. Message-ID: <199809031039.GAA13167@yfn.ysu.edu> Katrina wrote: >Who else knows that little scene in "Rumours of Death" where Tarrant is >distracting three troopers so Cally&Dayna&Avon can sneak up and brain them? You might say I'm a tad familiar with it. :) >He looks absolutely wonderful, gives a absolutely *classic* Tarrant smile >and does this lovely little old fashioned bow to the downed troopers. I >swear, not a single other character could manage to carry it off with such >delightful, memorable *and* downright sexy style. What a brilliant observation. Now that I think about it, I'm quite impressed that Steven could carry it off in a manner that made it appear natural and effortless. It's the little roll of his hand that makes it especially picturesque. >Other notes from Rumours - the number of quotes here is lovely. And the >crew interraction is too. Proof they all care for Avon. Esp. Tarrant. :) Yes, Tarrant seems to be almost hovering over Avon in that episode. At the same time he's trying to restrain and disguise his concern. He's actually doing a pretty good Avon imitation at the one point, explaining his concern in pragmatic terms: that he doesn't want to be facing the wrong end of Avon's gun when he warns Avon to be careful with Shrinker in the cave. It's adorable. Carol Mc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 06:50:49 -0400 From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" Subject: [B7L] Re: Tarrant Nostra baiting Message-ID: <199809030651_MC2-5841-688A@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Tiger M wrote >Of all the characters, he strikes me as the most straightforward >and least likely to stab someone in the back. Stab someone in the back... oh, so Dayna was right about that chap who was guarding her and Avon in Powerplay? The knife just went off when he was cleaning it? Oddly enough, this is the only episode in which I like Tarrant. There's a pleasing moral ambiguity about him. (He even looks OK in Federation black, rather than the coloured clothing he adopted afterwards.) I spent the next two seasons waiting for the "straightforward honesty" to be exposed as a cover for the intriguing person glimpsed in Powerplay. I was disappointed (though my hopes revived in the last moments, when he was in such a hurry to get to Avon before Blake did - he did have the same name as the chap who originally set Blake up, after all). Recent reading suggests that, before Pacey was cast, the character was going to continue on Powerplay's lines and could have turned out to be a baddie, but they abandoned the idea very quickly. Has anyone ever written any fanfic about that earlier character? It's an AU I would probably enjoy. Harriet ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 21:15:28 +1000 From: "Katrina Harkess" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Tarrant in Rumours. Message-Id: <199809031117.VAA19294@extra.ucc.su.OZ.AU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > >He looks absolutely wonderful, gives a absolutely *classic* Tarrant smile > >and does this lovely little old fashioned bow to the downed troopers. I > >swear, not a single other character could manage to carry it off with such > >delightful, memorable *and* downright sexy style. > > What a brilliant observation. Now that I think about it, I'm quite > impressed that Steven could carry it off in a manner that made it > appear natural and effortless. It's the little roll of his hand > that makes it especially picturesque. I direct *anyone* who thinks Avon is a more wonderful character that Tarrant to this episode and scene. I admit - I started off likeing Avon a lot more than Tarrant. But the latter grows on you. Doesn't he Carol? [I mean, what in the universe has any other character got that Tarrant hasn't? (excluding anythign to do with gender. :P)] > Yes, Tarrant seems to be almost hovering over Avon in that episode. > At the same time he's trying to restrain and disguise his concern. > He's actually doing a pretty good Avon imitation at the one point, > explaining his concern in pragmatic terms: that he doesn't want > to be facing the wrong end of Avon's gun when he warns Avon to > be careful with Shrinker in the cave. It's adorable. And later when he adds the 'within reason' to Cally's line about careing about Avon. Or later still when he's got the quick wits to stop Avon killing Major Grenlee before they find Servalan. Or the way he says all Servalan's titles and has caught on to the terribly indignity of what happened to her; in her own presidencial residence too! And convinces Servalan to tell them about Anna/Bartolomew but pointing out her guard might just have raised the alarm. Have a look at it all - it's obvious Avon can't do anything sensible without Tarrant. :) Katrina. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 21:29:40 +1000 From: "Katrina Harkess" To: "B7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Tarrant Nostra baiting Message-Id: <199809031131.VAA23334@extra.ucc.su.OZ.AU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Tiger M wrote > >Of all the characters, he strikes me as the most straightforward > >and least likely to stab someone in the back. > > Stab someone in the back... oh, so Dayna was right about that chap who was > guarding her and Avon in Powerplay? The knife just went off when he was > cleaning it? He wouldn't stab his friends in the back - only people who were confirmed enemies. Esp. as his own survival was at stake here. > > Oddly enough, this is the only episode in which I like Tarrant. There's a > pleasing moral ambiguity about him. (He even looks OK in Federation black, > rather than the coloured clothing he adopted afterwards.) I spent the next > two seasons waiting for the "straightforward honesty" to be exposed as a > cover for the intriguing person glimpsed in Powerplay. I was disappointed > (though my hopes revived in the last moments, when he was in such a hurry > to get to Avon before Blake did - he did have the same name as the chap who > originally set Blake up, after all). Mmm. Actually, you can find hints of it here and there. Black made him look a bit sinister to me: I always felt that wearing a uniform can affect how you think and act. He was used to acting in a certain way in that uniform and so it, unconsciously, came out. I think that in Blake, he really did believe Blake had set them up - had set Avon up - and he knew how important Blake was to Avon. I think he was also desperate to get his info and support to Avon and the others. And I've often wondered about that - Dev Tarrant and Del Tarrant. Who thinks there's a connection? > Recent reading suggests that, before Pacey was cast, the character was > going to continue on Powerplay's lines and could have turned out to be a > baddie, but they abandoned the idea very quickly. Has anyone ever written > any fanfic about that earlier character? It's an AU I would probably > enjoy. *puts it on the list of a possible storyline.* No - I haven't seen the darker side of Tarrant explored much at all in fanfic. Not the way the darker side of Blake and Avon is done almost exhastively. But it wouldn't have to be an AU - there's enough tidbits on screen to latch onto for a darker Tarrant. Katrina. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 07:57:59 +0100 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Watching B7 Message-ID: In message <19980903050944.19415.qmail@hotmail.com>, Joanne MacQueen writes >As the first episode I saw was "Traitor" (that was in 83? 84? and I >haven't seen that episode again since), I'm at a loss to explain how I >missed the two following episodes but managed to see "Headhunter" (I >know I saw that one when the ABC last screened B7 That was the repeat screening, and Auntie left out two (I think) episodes for some mysterious reason. Can't remember which ones they were, and my off-air tapes are up in the loft, so it would be difficult to check. It's worth getting an off-air copy of Rescue from someone who taped it, since there are small but significant differences between the broadcast version and the so-called "unedited" offical tape for purchase. They must be significant, because I said something along the lines of "What the hell?" when I first watched the official tape, even though I hadn't seen the broadcast version for about ten years. -- Julia Jones "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 15:49:53 +0100 From: Steve Rogerson To: Space City , Lysator Subject: [B7L] Chaos Message-ID: <35EEAC8F.8E57D4D3@mcr1.poptel.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For those who want to invest in the Chaos film (in which Jan Chappell and Michael Keating have parts) can phone for a prospectus on 01237 422877 (this is a UK number) -- cheers Steve Rogerson Redemption 99: The Blakes 7 and Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Ashford, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ "Get in there you big furry oaf, I don't care what you smell" Star Wars ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 15:50:36 +0100 From: Steve Rogerson To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se, Space City Subject: [B7L] B5 The Crusade Message-ID: <35EEACBA.7ADDB4F@mcr1.poptel.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This month's Starburst contained the following information about the upcoming Babylon 5 spinoff The Crusade: "Max Ellerson, the IPX archaologist, is played by David Allen Brooks... J Michael Straczynski has already made a passing comparison between Ellerson and Avon from Blake's 7, which makes him a character to watch." -- cheers Steve Rogerson Redemption 99: The Blakes 7 and Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Ashford, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ "Get in there you big furry oaf, I don't care what you smell" Star Wars ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 22:44:43 +0100 From: "Heather Smith" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Watching B7 Message-ID: <000e01bdd784$101f8d00$773363c3@smith99> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Julia Wrote: >It's worth getting an off-air copy of Rescue from someone who taped it, >since there are small but significant differences between the broadcast >version and the so-called "unedited" offical tape for purchase. They >must be significant, because I said something along the lines of "What >the hell?" when I first watched the official tape, even though I hadn't >seen the broadcast version for about ten years. Umm, I seem to recall that in the scene where Vila goes to help the others in the basement, his longing look at the bottle of wine was cut. Think there's more, but I can't remember the rest (it's getting late, and in a Vilaish line, wine is clouding my mind slightly). Heather. 'There's no point in being grown up if you can't be childish' -The fourth Doctor -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V98 Issue #228 **************************************